Served my people and for that i fell to the russians in the basement there. They tortured me, i somehow got out. What is happening , i can be sure of this, they can go there, i dont know, some faithful of the ukrainian Greekcatholic Church from buchi, whose husband was tortured on jablunska street , they can go, they dont know, the children or her parents dont know returned from the front and whom father did not spend on september 1, he will never take him from school again, he will not congratulate the ectetera on christmas, and well , im sorry, please, and i just have to ask a question , dear dad, do you want this to continue . Lets continue chewing your gum about the great russian culture and you dont want these fans of tolstoy and dostoyevsky who launch rockets at us, then lets tell the whole world, give the ukrainians any wonderwaffle with which they can multiply rusak by zero, what can we say about uh, maybe italy about ours, we ukrainians fight against russia day by day, and we are trying to convince the world, first of all, russia is not the empire that she told about herself, it is not the same , but it is a megaempire, you can fight it, you can defeat it, our military proves this in the ranks of the armed forces of ukraine you do it, our civilians do it abroad, they also go to rallies and talk about it in particular. What is the attitude of italy and the vatican , looking even at the aspect that the whole world is gradually recognizing that the holodomor is not the first genocide of the ukrainian people, there is now a holodomor, italy has recognized , in particular, whether this can affect, gradually , a Chain Reaction will lead to the fact that finally the holy see will say the answer to this question that we want to hear. Well, i am sure that well, im there as a person with a humanitarian background, im there. Yes, i know what the power of this soft power and all that is, but, well, its, well, our capabilities are against the capabilities of the russian federation, in what strength, well, im sorry, i dont know well, fc obolon real madrid, well, some or manchester city, well, that is, even if there are 11 supermotivated players of the obolon football club, well, they cant do anything against the coachs plan and physiotherapists and World Football stars. Yes, at some point and with what strength we will achieve this, but not yet capabilities, in particular financial, because it is very expensive, so we have to act asymmetrically, just take it and say, dear holy see , excuse me, please, here we are holding an exhibition of photos of ukrainian children who did not go the first september to school because they were killed by the russians. Thats it. How many are there . Up to five hundred more. Even if im not mistaken, but on the other hand. Well, it seems to me that this is why we are respected as a state and as a people now in the world. Our Foreign Policy and for what is there, neither foreign minister kuleba nor president zelensky well , they dont wrap it in a piece of paper, they just come to the meeting and say excuse me, please, here is russia , here she is, here she is, by the way, look at the city, this is how the city looked none in particular what should the society do then, we have already talked with you about how it would be diplomatic, what should be done, so what can every believer do, go to his priest and tell him, listen to the bad eyes, look, i dont like it, well, that is , what is happening i dont know what the chief executive himself is doing. Well, hes just talking nonsense and it seems that thanks to this nonsense , conditions are being created in which we cant get weapons quickly, we cant get maximum support, and the russian people dont receives the maximum sentence that should be received by a drunkard and a murderer. So, and so, with these words, he comes up and says after the service, lets, i dont know , write a letter from our parish. There was no mobilization of the cardinals. There was no general mobilization against the pope. In other words, you agreed and you understood all the responsibility and you should understand it , and so should the cardinals of the curia, and all these specialists who do not work in the vatican. You should feel your responsibility yes, everything is very simple if you dont feel it, then youre not in your place. Well, thats for sure. People should be in their place. But uh, the main idea is how ill summarize uh, our conversation, after all, its about knocking and it will be opened to you. I agree i agree, but at the same time, i would not like people who hold serious positions , make decisions, influence the destinies of states and entire continents and peoples to be absolved of responsibility and were not able to read i dont say i dont know the book by plohiy or snyder, but a banal wikipedia article sorry its very, very embarrassing to open your mouth about something, especially in the 21st century, when there is a culture. Well, its the first time you ve offended anyone. So you cant. Well, theres a concept , and well, that is, if we, as a civilization , agreed on this and the leadership of the Catholic Church i wanted him to understand this, so we will still hope that we will still see this understanding. But i am sure that we will see the question , that is what we talked about with you, that every day , eh. Pays the ukrainian defender, the defender, and the ukrainian civilians who, going to bed, are not sure whether they will wake up in the morning with this firm opinion, we will conclude. I sincerely thank you for the conversation. Already from the first steps on our land, they were convinced that for centuries we defend our independence and are ready to fight for it again , the Defense Forces of ukraine stubbornly and relentlessly step by step win out, bite out, squeeze out enemy claws, our earth, our will, our independence , we thank you for every moment and for this day of independence, we prove our independence every day, it is normal to be afraid , but to admit your fear is a disease. About how the fallen defenders from the front are returned home on the shield, we will talk about it with vitaly maksimenko, the representative of the humanitarian project of the armed forces of ukraine on the shield i congratulate you, mr. Vitalya why did you decide join the mission on the shield well, someone is defending the country. We decided to help the state in this way and deliver the boys of the Fallen Heroes to their destination for final burial. What did you do before the war . You had a business in the city of liman, donetsk region. You were an entrepreneur. Everything was destroyed during the war. How is the evacuation going . The bodies of the dead are in the morgues of the dnipropetrovsk and zaporizhzhia regions, and only later, after recognizing that there is some kind of cvs on the shield, he sells us all the applications and we come and pick them up and we already deliver to places for daily burials, we have a program that we all see, your task is to come to the morgue, there is a responsible person with whom you communicate, he issues documents under his name, all these documents so that they are correctly written out in the morgue , you receive your own things of the deceased if there are such and then you go, you already receive the body itself, the deceased is packed by hand, if necessary, to the morgue, where does the body come from the front line, like somewhere wild, death has caught them. Forefathers who are engaged in search works and that part, perhaps, where this or that soldier served, they take them out of the battlefield, and there are already their own official groups that bring them to morgues, where they conduct some of them there, i say, and knowledge determines what caused a person to die, and then already everything is sold in our department, which people do you have . Our crew is shields on each car , one person in one year and a forwarder. Yes, of course. You know, there was some kind of fear in such a situation. Well, i wasnt ready for that, well, i wasnt morally prepared for work there at all, and there are people engaged in Ritual Services there, yes, someone works in a morgue. Well, i was engaged in other things. Well, first for me it was to treat your first visit to the morgue, so it was so shocking for you, it is possible well, it is possible, it is possible that you remember it is the summer heat and these unpleasant smells, lets say so to the bodies, if i quietly got used to it, i sat more on the documents, checking things that the dead are sold as transport bags for the transportation of the dead. There are different ones, there are white ones, there are black ones. It all depends on the humanitarian groups who will give what to provide. Let me tell you how they mark bodies in morgues. Put a tag on your hands, yes. Team and when a person dies, its the mother of the mountains, and you check the tag when you receive the body at the morgue. The documents have his number, uh, and you check your number, and then you pack it for yourself. And 15 and 18 bodies, and if you take them somewhere from the bunkhouse along the route, that is, then i have certain difficulties, its all necessary to deliver. Well, we check because this is a human factor, there are mistakes, you say that there is a tag, yes, it is not directly from the plane, if only the remains , then how they are marked , there are certain procedures. My package is lying somewhere or in reefs or in the morgue, where is it stored for us, if the data matched, all the dna fell, its also, well, the remains, they get on the route , they are there in general, in bags , they have to weigh. So, visually, i think it could be a finger, well , how much does a finger weigh there, 20 g, 30 of the dead and how are they bought, what are they identified with, what kind of things are they usually . They are usually documents. Who has what . It can be a passport , a military card, necessarily. This is a watch. Special ones for stretching and the bodies without clothes are transferred, the clothes are separate. Yes, of course, the clothes and the uniform are transferred hmm , probably directly to the military unit or the military commissariat. What is the most difficult thing for you in your place . Its still for that. Well, i dont know at all. Its possible, and no, no, he wont get used to it. When youre driving and people see you on their laps, and youre driving through this city or village like that. Its very hard, morally, my emotions break in my soul when they stand the children are sorry. The elderly people on their knees meet this fallen hero. Well, ambitions are welcome. Well, i cant explain it. I honestly tell you its so hard that after such trips im broken. Sunday comes to us. I dont physically get up, you know, dragging somewhere 15 18 laps and in the morning you pick up the bodies in the cold, then you take them to the destination. How many kilometers does the road usually take . There are short routes there, but today i still have a route. Yesterday my car broke down at our place and i had to pick up the bodies for today it took us 400 km roughly, there are four bodies, the route is three different from the point of dnipro, as usual, and to the western dariv there or further there, chernivtsi district, a car on a shield to successfully deliver a defender or a defender on a shield to us because we have bags and plus in we all have refrigerators rif because in such heat we should turn them on and freeze the bodies, lets say so that it is. What can i do 5 if i tell you its still a cold season, does the transportation process become easier, for example, dont you include it already, the idea of saving nagruzka on the car is less because the refrigerator is working, its nagruzka on the engine, now its so hot, the car itself cant handle it, and it also needs to be cooled there, yesterday, a group loaded into my booth, the temperature was 33. Well, it should be reduced to 5 with such difficulties, you push back in the process of transportation on the road directly. To be honest, yes, well, its a transport vehicle there. Well somewhere too sweet something and just like difficulties somewhere maybe someone doesnt understand that there is a war going on in the country, so there are cases when drivers dont let a car in accordance with the inscription on the shield, not somehow pedestrians violate, well, pedestrians can yes, there are such people, but it doesnt make me nervous well, maybe someone doesnt understand this in big cities. Its usually kyiv. Now dnipro seems to have the impression that he doesnt have cars. The bags are needed now because the summer is getting longer. They need a replacement because theyre in poor condition. Final point of destination where do you take the morgue to the regional morgue is met by the body of representatives of the military commissariat from where the person went to defend the state and the military commissariat we will bring him further this is the procedure well not the military commissariat morgue and further this is the procedure of the local authorities and military bodies when our city was changed the city of liman donetsk oblast we went on a search and the bodies of the russians were taken to the last stage because, well, they are still needed for exchange, and there are also our guys on the other side who also collect the dead and its all going to be transferred data, its all going to be exchanged, they collected more, but didnt transport or take the bodies from deo, the territory where the armed forces of ukraine have already entered. We went to our city for the first week after the deoccupation and collected the bodies of our redundant heroes so that they died there sooner a body that had been lying in the ground for a year, well, you will understand that relatives and relatives of Fallen Soldiers turned to you. Well , usually we ask not to let them in. Well, so that they do not see this. Well, but they do happen. Yes, in such small towns, it usually happens. Well but well, how did you say hello . What kind of relationship do we have with the person who just brought me, i cant tell them anything, how he served, where he served, because they were attached to the mission , support is sometimes difficult, you come from drawing there, is it morally possible or physically possible for me to be there there, yes, that is, the back hurts, something else, well, my wife tells me a question. In the trenches, it is not easy for the boys, everyone does their job like a crow , bringing victory closer. The enemies thought that independence was just a word for us, but from the first steps on our land, they were convinced that for centuries we defend our independence and are ready to fight for it again, the Defense Forces of ukraine stubbornly and relentlessly step by step win, gnaw, squeeze out of the enemys claws our earth , our will, our independence, we thank you for every moment and for this day, we prove independence every day when we say weapons, we imagine machine guns, guns, tanks or rockets but an equally powerful weapon is the reliable communication of the advance at the front and the lives of fellow citizens saved , the enemies caught by surprise and the positions won , the reserves used in time and the ammunition delivered, there is a great merit in all this our soldiers signalmen are armed with signal, our army is stronger. Glory to the signal troops of the armed forces of ukraine, his family from grandfathergreatgrandfather is fighting against the russian occupier as part of the ukrainian rebel army. Oleksandr tyutyunnyk has been in the Ukrainian Army for more than 20 years and has worked at the air force headquarters of ukraine since 2014 went to the donbass to defend our state and as part of a consolidated unit of the air force, which later received the name of the wild duck, together with his comrades held the legendary position of zenit near avdiyivka below the enemy on the outskirts of the donetsk airport in the first months of the fullscale war, Oleksandr Tyutyunnyk fought on northern saltivka as part of the svitoch battalion of the Tactical Group of the Kharkiv National university of the air force, where, together with units of the 92nd separate mechanized brigade, they held the entrance to kharkiv. Later, as part of the battalion of the mainland Tactical Group , he continued to defend kharkiv studies of social vinnytsia oleksandr my congratulations and glory to ukraine , how did your military career actually begin . My military career began with studying in the kyiv military institute of management and communications was an example for me was my older brother, who was already studying there at that time. Well, it was such an example. They mentioned their grandfather, a rebel. Can you tell us more about his fate during the Second World War . Grandfather joined the ukrainian rebel army, and when he was captured during the battle in 1944 , we had to impose the Death Penalty at that time. He was a minor according to the documents there were nuances, he was born in the 23rd year of his birth, he was recorded 27 years ago, his death certificate was replaced with a huge prison term, he served some time in magadan , and his mother and two sisters were also born there, then fate threw him back into in the central part of ukraine, the grandmother worked in the same camp as an economic employee. Lets say they got married and returned to ukraine. The most interesting thing about this is that at that time , representatives of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army were, of course, persecuted at least psychologically in our society now in times of the soviet union and my grandfather was never an aggressive person, but he did not change his views and did not give up. This became such a serious factor for me. This is an example for me of enormous willpower. How many years did you serve before the war began and in what positions . 20 years. The positions are related to the means of communication of the air force, but i started serving in the Ground Forces in 2014. You went to the front as a volunteer in which brigade and where did you end up after 2014. It was a volunteer combined unit air forces of the armed forces of ukraine, which was supposed to receive a location near the donetsk airport due to the fact that the military personnel who got there were surrounded and had to be withdrawn. It was such a situational unit. And the legendary heights in particular and zenit, the most difficult was the situation when, in principle, the donetsk airport had already fallen and the column of the combined battalion of the Tactical Group ee the socalled first slavic corps of the illegal republics went on the offensive uh, in fact, they surrounded our position, they surrounded it and entered it as part of a small or no group, and only then, uh, as if the battle had started. That is, we basically launched them, which, by the way, saved us because if we started a business distances, they would have been possible, different results repelled that battle and gained a position. It was such a battle, if it was the First Experience in my life there, Armored Vehicles passed 1015 m with infantry on it behind it. There was never a fight where and under what circumstances we met the beginning of a fullscale war, it began for us on february 23. My daughter is a military cadet at the Kharkiv National air force university named after duba. She called me on the 20th, at about three oclock in my opinion, and said that she had to worry about us at that time. Since we are in a military family, we are going to arrive at the university in five minutes. In fact, we met with our daughter and soninlaw together, we received weapons and we were armed and ready by 12 00 at night, if for further instructions, the leadership of the command to of the beginning of a fullscale war, that is the moment of the Kharkiv National aviation university. I wanted people with combat experience to teach the cadets, so i started