Ukraine. Glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. My name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. For the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. Today in the program. Protect the sky, ukrainian cities continue to suffer from terrorist attacks by russia, which. Antiaircraft support from partners can be counted on. Illegitimate putin. The council of europe is calling not to recognize the results of the president ial elections in russia. What will happen to frozen russian assets . Chinese diplomacy. Beijing seeks mediation between kyiv and moscow. Did scholz succeed in persuading xi jinping to abandon his support for putin . About this and about other things in the next hour. We are talking with our guests, Major General serhii kryvonos, peoples deputy of ukraine Oleksiy Honcharenko and political expert maksym rozumny. In the second part of our program, we will have political experts Volodymyr Fesenko and viktor boberenko. However, before starting our big conversation, i suggest watching a video of the consequences of the attack by the russian occupiers on chernihiv. This morning they hit the city with three iskander missiles. Unfortunately, 17 people died and at least 60 were injured as a result of the russian attack on the city of chernihiv in the morning, lets see, what . Well, thats all, the main thing is that people, thats all will be rebuilt, without god, the main thing is that those who died, no one will return those who died. Eternal memory to the dead and death to the russian occupiers. Friends, we are live on the espresso channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, please take part in our survey today. I have questions for you do you consider the Russian Orthodox church a terrorist organization . Yes, no, its Pretty Simple on youtube if you watch us in tv broadcasts, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote 0800 211 381, if you consider the Russian Orthodox church a terrorist organization, if you do not consider this church a terrorist organization, 0800 211 382. All calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program and we will match. The results of this vote, i want to introduce today s first guest, serhiy krivonos, reserve Major General, first Deputy Commander of the sso in 201619. Deputy secretary of the National Security service of ukraine in 201920. Mr. General, i salute you, thank you for being here today with us. Good evening, glory to ukraine. Glory to heroes. Mr. General, lets start our conversation with the attack of the Ukrainian Defense forces. On the night of april 17 , explosions rang out at the military airfield in dzhankoy in the temporarily occupied crimea, it was destroyed. According to preliminary data, three s400 launchers and a radar, 22 occupiers have gone missing, and a point for receiving and repairing military equipment has also been damaged. According to preliminary information, the strike was carried out by two atakams tactical ballistic missiles. Here, mr. General, what do these mean strikes in ukraine, there were more opportunities to strike on the territory of the occupied crimea, or this is the plan, so to speak. Work on the destruction of the occupiers on the peninsula . We understand that every missile that we have now, in our stock, in our arsenals, it is valuable and expensive enough, so to choose from the huge number of targets that we have, the number one task is to make the most effective use of these missiles to we didnt forget the nails with a microscope, so its a planned job, its a very great job. We wanted it to continue and not only on the territory of the occupied crimea, and the destruction of a huge number of objects on the territory of the Russian Federation. This is task number one. We still have a window of opportunity, the more factories we destroy that manufacture weapons against ukraine, the less the russians will be able to strike our territories, as was the case today directly in the example of chernigov. So much. A very tragic story with iskanders who flew around the city and killed civilians. But i wanted this information, which we see on ukrainian television, today during the day and tomorrow, was on all world channels, thats what we need to talk about, unfortunately, the lack of normal Strategic Communication with our western partners leads to the fact that israel reacts brightly, clearly and quickly to any. Threats, shows the consequences of these threats, shows how they work and support, we see how powerful the support of the same israel is. Our government does not like it when the actions of the Israeli Government are now compared to the actions of the ukrainian government, because against the background of israeli politicians , ours look simple, you know, like schoolchildren, and thats why we have what we have, we must raise the level of awareness of our people. Partners about the realities of this war, that not only military personnel die in this war, but a huge number of civilians, and the realities of this war must be conveyed to every citizen of the countries that support us. Without a doubt, since we are talking about terror, and this terror is not hidden, it is open and brazen, well, at least what happened today in chernihiv can definitely be considered a terrorist attack, which was carried out by the state of terror. And in this there is no doubt. At the same time, the head of the armed forces of ukraine, syrskyi, says that the russians want to capture chasiv yar by may 7, and on may 7 the inauguration of this should take place, not least for president putin , and obviously the russian invaders want to give him some kind of gift. How likely is the deployment of such positions that will allow. Do you wait and then go to those positions that are critically important for the armed forces of ukraine . Russia does not have the capacity, and we clearly understand that the capture of the time gap is not only purely such a political nuance for the inauguration of the pseudo president of the Russian Federation, first of all, it is a threat to us for the further advance of the enemy in the direction of konstantinivka. Kramator slavyansk, from the time of oyar to kramatorsk, there are almost four villages and there will already be kramatorsk, so this is enough, you know, a threatening situation, and the russians will make every effort, we are also making every effort to prevent this, but we should not ignore and other parts of the front, because the russians can. By accumulating resources and at the expense of the fast overturning and probing the weak points of our defense, it is enough to react quickly in other areas. We see how dangerous the situation is now in. The zaporizhia direction in the rabotino area, and other directions should not be rejected, therefore the task for our intelligence is to effectively, quickly and with a huge margin detect possible enemy advances in other areas, therefore we should not forget about other areas, looking only at time, mr. General, and zelenskyi and general budanov talk about what is at the end. Should be expected at the beginning of june a bigger offensive, now the russians are advancing, but this offensive should be much bigger, as they say, and this is due to the fact that new Human Resources will come to the russian army, that they will deploy their capabilities not only to the east and south, i so i understand the fronts, how do you assess the capabilities of the russians during may, the end of may. At the beginning of june to deploy and deploy a larger territory for hostilities in ukraine, well, they already have more than enough offensive capabilities in various areas, if you mean the territory, which connects with russia from the sumy and chernihiv regions, then such a threat also exists, and they may want to repeat the option they worked out. In february, march of 22, but given the mistakes they made, and i think theyll do everything they can to make sure it doesnt happen again, so the number one question for us is not what the russians are going to do, for i am more interested in the question of what our government is doing to strengthen our defense capability by directions, the preparation of reserves by directions transfer of the economy to the rails of functioning in the condition. Military time and the third the fortification equipment of the area, these are probably the three main ones, and maybe even the fourth, that we see that the government in certain positions is failing, people do not understand what to do and do not perceive the threat and do not know how to to decide, the creation of a government of National Rescue can significantly improve the situation than what we have now, because now the actions of the authorities remind me of pulling a blanket, a short blanket pulled on my head, my legs were dying, my legs were twitching, and my head was freezing, so this way, taking into account the fact that there is a fairly short period left before the big offensive, as they say, again, president zelenskyi and general budanov, is this there are still these possibilities, when the ukrainian authorities can manage to do. So that this offensive is not so painful, including for the northeastern part of ukraine, you mentioned the chernihiv and sumy regions, and for the kharkiv region, because bloomberg writes that russia generally wants to isolate kharkiv and to make it uninhabitable, and that they are bombing so that people leave there, and since they cant take this city, they just want to turn it into a deserted place. As for icefree, even with the resources that the russians have, as for kharkiv, it will be quite difficult, kharkiv is not a small city, it is 350 km, it has 23 00 houses, a huge number of industrial buildings, and with Proper Organization of the defense of kharkiv, it is possible to prevent not only the assault, even the blockade of kharkov, but certain ones must be carried out there are measures, unfortunately, for the last 5 months we have been fed and diverted our attention from the inaction of the authorities with the process of reviewing the law, and then adopting the law on a new version of the law on mobilization, but even you know, such a tragedy of the situation is that it will work only through a month, then we will wait another month again, and the authorities will say so we did everything we could, the deputies did, the president signed what you want from us, but it itself. Will not work by itself, and the huge problem is in because the authorities are absolutely not looking for new ways to solve problems that have been standing for a long time, but are again engaged in the process of creating a powerful imitation of the movement, but still we are marching, unfortunately, for the time being. Today it became known that a meeting of the ukrainenato council will be held on april 19, this was announced by the secretary general of the North Atlantic Alliance stoltenberg, president zelenskyi says that. He will make a request to convene, and this convocation has already taken place this meeting and the opposition will ask for help russian missiles, lets listen to what zelensky said. By these two days we have heard nothing but about different conflicts here in europe and in the middle east, Different Levels of threats, different airspace, although the shaheds and ballistics are the same, about different threats of escalation, but are human lives different, are peoples dignity different , no, we value every life equally. Ukraine will request the convening of a meeting of the nato council of ukraine regarding the protection of the sky, the supply of air Defense Systems, relevant systems and missiles. Mr. General, what do you think is holding back our western partners from transferring enough air Defense Systems to at least close millionaire cities . Well, first of all , the previous performances. Zelenskyi, it is such an interesting moment that there should be, you know, a key phrase, but why was it not, and why is the huge number of dead people responsible for the inaction of the authorities at certain stages of the last five years of the history of ukraine, which concerns, why, well, at least because in order to be helped, you have to do a lot yourself, and when there are a huge number of examples of powerful scandals and powerful examples of unprofessionalism, every country will always think about its own guarantees about its own security system, which means that somewhere our politicians and diplomats are not working hard enough, and it is necessary to find those arguments that would be more important, and what we have repeatedly said, that when about the ukrainianrussian war on the channel. Almost no ukrainian journalist in europe and the United States speaks good english or other languages, so understanding is getting used to it, and ukraine is simply being quietly forgotten. Again, the same example from israel clearly conducts its information policy and brutally reminds and forces people and politicians to help. As deafmutes, we are not heard or seen, but the russians have russian resources. Of all the countries we are talking about have powerful positions and quite often give examples of the same corrupt , permanent components of scandals that arise in our government, and they also play on this, so you want to be heard, you need to talk about it, you want to you were given something, you need to give those arguments that would allow you to ask questions ruba nato secretary general jens stoltenberg, whom i have already mentioned, called on the states. Members of the alliance, to give priority to greater military aid to ukraine than to spend on its own defense. Lets hear what stoltenburg said. Ukraine needs even more, so if allies are faced with a choice between their own weapons and more support for ukraine, my call is clear send more to ukraine. Denmark is a strong example of. How to provide all of your artillery to the ukrainians, but they also have a concrete plan to replenish their own stockpiles of weapons. Mr. General, you rightly said that the ukrainian authorities should also demonstrate to our western partners their desire and efforts to provide their own army, including their own weapons, ammunition of their own production, and do everything to make the west understand , what. Ukraine is doing its best, you have already mentioned the changes to the mobilization law, and this is probably one of those cases when our American Partners also said that you should streamline the mobilization system, or make it more clear why, in your opinion, these changes took so long to be approved, it was four or five months, that is, time was lost and as a result the same draft law was passed, almost the same draft bill that. It was necessary to make such a big political show out of this, the result of which could be, well, lets say this, nonacceptance by a part of the society there of some norms of this law, nonacceptance, you know enough, you know, you said it enough, so i will optimistically say yes, because the process is for the sake of process, this the worst thing is that, not for the sake of the result, these. Green samurai, for whom the main thing is not the goal, but the main thing, the way, to be honest, have already had enough, and this is their constant pr, they are thinking about winning the elections, which is not yet clear when it will be or . About winning this war, that s the question, and they think about ratings, not about victory, so the whole answer lies in the fact that they have a basic principle, as one of the classics once said, that unfortunately, the selfconfidence of dilettantes is the constant envy of professionals, so when professionals look at these selfconfident people dilettantes, understand that this green government already considers itself a professional, meanwhile they have remained so. And their experiments with our people are bloody enough, you know, their inaction, their selfconfidence, lulling the people that there will be no war, that the most important thing is to allocate money for construction, well, here is a great example, if at least 15 of that money, which were spent on largescale construction, were spent on the purchase of zenith missile complexes, then we would significantly strengthen. Your defense, well really significantly strengthened. Unfortunately, the value priorities of this government are in making money, and not in raising the level of the countrys defense capability, as well as the failed option with the american law, where we would simply be given military weapons, no, it still came down to giving us money, because for money you can be forgiven for pinching a little. Here are real examples of what we need and what they are. Thank you, mr. General, for the conversation, it was serhiy kryvonos, Major General of the reserve. Friends, we are working live on the tv channel espresso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. For those who are now watching us live there. Please subscribe to our pages, take part in our survey. Today we ask you about this, do you consider the Russian Orthodox church a terrorist organization . Yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, write your own opinion. Please comment under this video. If you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think the Russian Orthodox church is a terrorist organization 0800211381, no 0800211382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. Oleksiy goncharenko, peoples deputy of ukraine, president of the pareje committee on migration and refugees, will be in touch next. Mr. Oleksiu, i congratulate you, thank you. You are with us today, i congratulate you, i can say that the question you asked the audience was just answered an hour ago by the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe, adopting a resolution, by the way, this was my amendment regarding the russian of the Orthodox Church that it is putins tool, and the socalled patriarch kirill, aka fsb general gondyaev, and other hierarchs are also guilty of crimes committed by. Putins regime, today paria passed several resolutions, you already mentioned the russian the Orthodox Church and its amendment, but the two resolutions that are very important are about the nonrecognition of the legitimacy of the russian leader putin, both the country and the pariah appealed to the member countries of the council of europe and the observer countries to stop all contacts with the criminal putin by the government is one resolution, and the second is that the oil. Refineries of russia and the Oil Infrastructure are legitimate targets for the Defense Forces of ukraine, please explain to us what that means, what does that mean, what does that mean in terms of putins legitimacy , that he will not be called the president , he will not be addressed by the president , and in this way his status will not be recognized after may 7, when pseudo president putin will be inaugurated, do i understand correctly . Look, theres one thing that please dont forget when we talk about solutions of the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe, all these decisions are of a recommendatory nature, and parem does not have the right to tell germany, france, Great Britain or hungary exactly what to do, parem recommends, then the countries themselves are determined, so this is a tool that ukrainian diplomacy has now received and not only. But all our allies are also in the process of clamping down on putin, in recognizing him as illegitimate, in preventing his diplomatic and Foreign Policy maneuvers, and how will we use this tool to what are we going to achieve with him, well , only life will show, unfortunately, if there was such a body in the world, which putin said together is illegitimate, putin disappeared, well, there is no such body, it does not exist. But this decision, it gives us essential tools to further this issue of putins illegitimacy, inadmissibility, inadmissibility. Contacts with him, then about promoting and trying to implement on various sites, this must be understood as regards refineries, by the way, not only Oil Refineries, in general the oil and gas industry of russia is recognized as the one that actually finances this war, and therefore is not an object of civilian infrastructure, but is actually a military object, a legitimate target for ukraine, why is it important, well , because. According to the excuses we heard, on alas, even from the representatives of the United States of america, now you can give an answer, you see, and the couple says that this is no civil infrastructure, and there is the un that says, do not touch civil infrastructure, but the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe and the council of europe to us says its our legitimate purpose, well, for the un, this is good, it is generally enough for the russian, sorry, for the United States of america, well, it is obvious that they have slightly different goals, but it will still be more difficult for them to promote this method now. As for the church, why is it important . Because russia is actively using the issue of alleged persecution of christians in ukraine in a campaign against ukraine. Do you remember, tucker carlson, the interview and other things, when they were doing this thing that putin is a christian leader and everything else, and just to answer this and to all those who dont. Think about the details, you know, well, relatively speaking, some christian lives there, i dont know, there in spain, and he doesnt think about what and how they tell him, look, in ukraine the church is banned, he such, oh my god, what a horror, here is the answer to him, no, no, in ukraine, the council of europe, which includes spain, recognized that this is a tool of putin, and well , okay, then everything is clear, that is, we created this today these resolutions are several tools that must be used further, they are nothing in themselves change, but using them in reporting our position, in fighting on other platforms, in cases at the European Court of human rights, because the decisions of the court are binding for the ecthr to take them into account when issuing its verdicts, well , this is really important, and if here is the tool to talk about this real resolution. Regarding Oil Refineries and the oil and gas industry of the Russian Federation, does this open up opportunities for our western partners to provide us with longrange weapons that can fly over these refineries and Oil Refineries capabilities of the Russian Federation, and our western partners will say listen, the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe in general recognized that this is a legitimate goal, and in this way it opens up an opportunity for our western partners to provide. Us those weapons, well, for example, for that scholz, for him to give weapons that will fly there, yes, it definitely gives them some arguments and creates some pressure on politicians like the same scholz, who is wavering, well but here it is necessary to understand that our western partners do not give we have weapons to attack even military facilities on the territory of the Russian Federation itself, about which no one has ever had any questions, but they still do not want their weapons to be used to strike even military facilities and military personnel. In the bases actually on the territory of russia, but only so that it was used on the occupied ukrainian territory, so there is this nuance, but i repeat, well, today, its nothing, you know, it doesnt happen once and something happened there, thats it. Happens in small steps, yes, here they pressed, here, here, here, here, here and once and came to some kind of decision, which is already of serious importance, well, we received a number of such decisions today. Well, in addition, pare adopted a resolution on support for the reconstruction of ukraine, stefanchuk, ruslan stefanchuk, the chairman of the Verkhovna Rada of ukraine, was in the pair and yesterday, before the vote on the resolution, he spoke before the members of the Parliamentary Assembly of the council of europe, before the meps and called for all efforts to be directed towards a joint fight against russian occupiers lets listen to what he said stefanchuk. The time has come for quick decisions and actions. It is time for responsible leadership. The time has come to choose in favor of decisive, United Resistance to the russian terrorist. And i want us all to finally understand one truth peacekeeping games