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Of representatives and the chairman of the committee on International Relations Committee Republican smakol well, bohdan also took part in the meeting, the leader of the democrats in the house of representatives, jeffreys , why is it important to us because the house of representatives is currently blocking the adoption of the budget for next year, the United States can on october 1 simply to be left without a budget at all is actually not blocked by the chamber itself, the electorate republicans in whose chambers there are about 70 they are against the adoption of any budget they are against aid to ukraine well, why why did he refuse to meet zelenskiy in the language of the map . Because he is very afraid of the ultraright members of his own party. He is afraid that they will simply ask questions about him. We trust that he will be deprived of the position he dreamed of throughout his of political life. Well, he is very much like that. I understood. He is very afraid of angering the farright wing of the republican party, so he refused to say a few words about journalists together with zelenskyi. He only allowed the official photographer to take a picture during this meeting, but there was no appearance of them in front of the journalists. Well, to put on the cards , he is just very, very afraid of the threeright leader of his party, he is afraid to do something that will anger these people. I cant understand something, but how are decisions made in the lower house then, considering that if there are 70 of them and there are Something Like 460 in total , that is, it is such a minority, and an absolute minority, why is the speaker of the lower house afraid of the speaker if under all conditions well, no, not the voting itself, everything is accepted absolutely no, not absolutely antarctica, according to the full composition of the palanta, the same does not happen, or with 460 , or how many of them there are, or or the decision has not been made , if three are against, then what is he afraid of . I will now explain it very interestingly because if he put the budget to a vote budget would be accepted absolutely unconditionally by the budget in the version in which it would be adopted by nato in the senate there are more than 70 votes in favor of adopting the budget, then you would definitely accept it in the house of representatives because all the democrats would vote for it because almost all of them are moderates for the republicans, it would be absolutely enough to pass the budget with such a large enough majority, but we knew that when he was elected as speaker in january, he was already taken in the 14th or 15th round, and he was in order for the ultraright not to interfere him to become the speaker so that they dont vote against him. He agreed to changes in the regulations, changes in the regulations provide for any changes, any member of the house of representatives at any moment can ask the speaker a question about the virus, that is, if there is no confidence and thats all he is going with positions and they directly threaten him that if he puts a budget vote , they will do exactly that, that is, they asked the question now what the press is writing about, what the americans are talking about , well, experts regarding shady deals with russia are constantly coming up with some such, but there is some a delegation came to moscow, some people from america, but someone there wants to do something, but there are not enough people there. Ukraine is advancing not so quickly, and maybe we dont need to lets have peace talks, let s offer something to russia, russia, well, you can get confused there, they say that we need a victory for ukraine, they say that we need not a defeat for ukraine, then they say that a victory for ukraine over russia means the weakening of russia well, in short, these are all these stories, they seem to sow anxiety, what do you say about the reality of these rumors or not rumors, gossip, well, look, i would here, er, in a few things, because what you said is the first, well , it is really possible that some americans there meet with some russians, it always happens, some kind of meetings are held there , but these are unofficial americans who do not represent anyone they do not represent themselves, but that is, that is, that is, all this has nothing to do with the administration, what they are talking about there, well, they can talk , then the other side is what they write in the press. In the press, they also write different things, specifically american in principle, anyone can write anything to the press, if the editors agree to publish it, even i, here is the opinion section , that is, the editors do not write there in general that they may not adhere to the opposite opinion, but they publish, that is, what the press writes is not it often seems to me to be an official opinion in any case. All i read is what people just see on facebook. Often, the New York Times wrote it. Yes, that means biden thinks so. But it is not true, because the New York Times writes what the journalists in new york write. Because that the communists are writing. We are coming back to me, they are expressing their own opinion. This is absolutely not the opinion of the administration or they of the administration. I am absolutely sure that the administration is not conducting any shadow negotiations with russia , moreover, and its highest representatives are constantly emphasizing that russia is not ready for any negotiations, or for any kind of diplomacy, this is state diplomacy. The secretary talks about it all the time or not every other day yesterday, for example , before zelenskyis meeting with biden, there was a special briefing by jake sally of the vineyard on national security, he repeated that russia is unprepared for what kind of diplomacy. Therefore, we must support ukraine as we have supported and support even more , that is, by the way, we must say that this is the money which administration is asking the congress to remove from the budget and 24 billion to help ukraine, i did not even think about it earlier, ivan said this yesterday emphasized that this is only for the last quarter of this year, that is, the administration considers it necessary to increase aid to ukraine , in fact, because if we look at how much money was spent in the last fiscal year, which ends on september 30 then it is really more, especially for military aid, there is more than 13 billion. It is only for three months. That means that the administration has plans for a date for ukraine, even more than it has provided so far. Igor, not the americans, maybe some information is circulating that there are chinese and hindus. I dont know. There are brazilians, i dont know, there are greeks , austrians are offering something there and some are at the level of rumors and gossip. Well, the press is american, so they can find out something and if they make it public, like americans, you know, americans, but such a commentator is worth listen so that you dont say that its good if china or india will talk to russia because china and india first of all and even china must understand that even a purely economic long war it will benefit them china can think 100 times that so eh the war brings him political benefit because he may believe that it exhausts the wests resources , others are generally good if it is an autocratic totalitarian russia, what will it do to the west, but from the economic point of view of china , a long war is definitely not beneficial to the United States there are a lot of comments from the states that in the end, china should understand this and should talk to russia. So, somehow, in such a language , what are you doing in our country because of your war , in general, the economy will slow down and slow down, that is, if such conversations are held, then this is only welcome in all circles in the United States, are they conducted . Well, you and i do not know, but we can assume that , lets say, the tone of the statements of the leaders of india, it has changed significantly compared to how it was immediately after february 24. Last year, what is it like now . Very important i think i should draw mr. Igors attention to the show. And these words. Well, we heard it in kyiv. I think we heard it everywhere in new york. Everyone heard what zelensky was saying. It is not the first month to put it mildly to reform the United Nations, how much is it on the agenda for discussion in the United States in general, some legal experts say that it is possible or they say it is impossible or they say ivan zelenskyis excellent speech or they say no it is absurd that he he says it cannot be and there is even no sense to put it on some kind of agenda, even a conditional one, something with this problem , it generally functions in, say , american circles, it functions under it, by the way , president bohdan also says, but you understand that there is an understanding in which what can be the limit of this to the reforms, well, the composition of the Security Council may be increased, new countries may be introduced, but in principle, this is not a change in the fact that the five countries that have the right to veto will continue to have the right to legally, because it is in order to change the un charter itself statute if i am not mistaken, article 110 there is 109. 110, how the un charter is changed. The fact is that in order to change it, the consent of all these five countries, the founders of the un, permanent members of the Security Council, and therefore what they do not agree with, at least one of them, is required it is simply impossible to officially change it, that is, if they all agree to, lets say, increase the number of members of the Security Council, then it will be increased, but i should not hope for more, because it is clear that russia will never agree to such changes in the un charter that would deprive him or her of the right, have you deprived it of the possibility to use the Security Council there to the point of blocking something , slowing something down, etc. Thats why we have to put up with the fact that the un is what it is, what it is, it was created in the year 45, mainly we are the countries that are permanent members of the Security Council that were the winners in the Second World War in order to establish such and such an order and another order can only be if the world changes radically , lets say if russia does not, it will not be possible to shoot there theoretically e 16,000 Nuclear Missiles around the world. Well, it means that she will have a different role then in the un. So i think that we should not hope that it is possible to radically change the language of the conversation. The conversation is being conducted in america, but with the understanding that radical changes cannot be made there within the framework of the current statute. The question is why propose when the president of the United States speaks from the podium a General Assembly and proposes something that will never be implemented. Congratulations. He proposes, for example, i am not the first time to increase the number of members of the Security Council. I think that this is also the free lobby in the interests of, lets say, a country like germany, because germany would like to be a permanent member of the Security Council without the right of veto, that is , bayda is not even saying this for the first time. Even against with against increasing the number of permanent members of the Security Council, but without the right of veto, even for russia, china, in principle, they have no objections. That is, it can happen, but in principle it will not change the situation when russia can block any decisions of the Council Security of the United Nations thank you and gryazenberg, a professor of the university of jura, was in touch with us. Thank you very much for finding time for us now advertising and then we will go to poland advertising pain can become an obstacle walking up the stairs not with my knees from knee pain try the dolgit cream it relieves pain swelling and improves the mobility of the joints, you can also walk, the only yellow cream for pain in the joints, damned stairs, my legs cant walk anymore, wait, there is no health. 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Shock news from the scene live kamikaze drone attacks political analysis objectively and meaningfully there is no political season exclusive interviews reports from the hottest points of the front freedom frankly and impartially draw conclusions ourselves we continue our firm Mykola Veresen Vitaly Portnikov and our guests myroslav the czech polish politician, public figure or journalist, this is his second and third term of parliament and further zhmetevniak polish sp for International Affairs head of the polandukraine center congratulations friends well, you know, i want to start our conversation with the fact that we are already careful statements are being made, that they are already talking about the fact that we need to find a dialogue, that we need to turn this page, and here suddenly, just a few minutes before our broadcast , reports appeared about the new speech of the Prime Minister matiosh morovetsky, who appealed to the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, that he would never insult the poles again, as he did recently during his speech. The poles will never allow this. Protecting the polish name, the good name, is not only my duty and honor, it is also the most important task of the government of the republic. What is this . Mr. Myroslava, why does this continue, because it would seem that all politicians are now trying to get rid of the degree . Well, i wonder what its called. Yaroslav kaczynski, who was the deputy Prime Minister in the metallurgical government of the Prime Minister. Yesterday evening there was a statement by the minister of Foreign Affairs to professor zbigniew rau, who said that the statements made by ukrainian politicians and the rhetoric of the Ukrainian Government were offensive to the polish people and that polands trust in ukraine had been lost, and that trust in that matter cannot be restored, and if and to undertake its restoration, so this process will be long, knowing a bit of the rhetoric used by vice Prime Minister kaczynski. I think that these statements are dictated directly to us and reflect his way of thinking that we cannot allow ourselves to be offended and so further and that is, it is a policy that corresponds to his way of thinking. But of course the problem is not in him , in this rhetoric that he uses during the election campaign, the time is right, the political power, that is , law and justice are already under way, and look. What do you really think, after the middle of october, it will be stopped that is, the elections will be held, they will forget everything or they will not be held, or the elections will be held and nothing will be forgotten because, after all, there is a probability that the party aa will be in power and will remain so and will conduct such a policy, according to which it is now says the preelection moment in fact maybe so, in fact, what the Prime Minister said is because telling the poles that they, like us, cooperate with the russians and the nose is actually a very big storm. I would not like to hear anything about Something Like that. No never, but there is something more serious, 100 sure. I agree here. Yes, he is the founder of the Daughter Company , the tv channel that we currently have is very tough in moments and moments. Its so difficult , its actually difficult to accept if to some formations, no police, what uh, from our side, in fact, it is very, very much of this , this is an election campaign, will it change after october 15 and go home, yes , of course, if the content is important here, who will win so many battles, but even if so or otherwise, if the government remains, e. E. , pjsc, i now have attention, then i think that one way or another , this degree, this tension, and how do we have similar issues also regarding issues of e. E. Foreign policy and, first of all, are related to ukraine, also this degree foul, which he will be reduced and certain there will be less of the statements that we are hearing now, and i hope that there will be more discussions and more conversations about the solution of these issues, as we currently have, mr. Miroslava if we talk about who could really lower the degree a little, how much International Mediation can be given here in the signs are that he wanted to mediate whether the president of lithuania and gita in our country spoke about the need for reconciliation. Now in the western media every day there are publications criticizing poland for its position in relation to ukraine, and this is also unlikely is perceived positively in warsaw because a few weeks ago poland was perceived as the main ally of ukraine as such a key member of the ee coalition to help ukraine and suddenly everything collapsed in a few days. To negotiate with the ukrainians independently well, there is no need for any mediators in poland is a member of the European Union and a member of nato and obliges and please obliges to a certain certain kind of behavior and agreements ee right and as well as certain strategies, which in particular refer to Security Issues and the presence of the alliance in the north atlantic ocean. I would like to draw attention to the fact that the positive element of the latter is enough crisis situations of such rhetorical duels. I mean that the civil platform is the main opposition Political Force in tuesday at ee will present, as former Prime Minister donald tusk said, his own program regarding relations with ukraine. I think it is a very positive fact that the positional power of until now, it has been quite soaked and in fact, in the same way, in the crisis, in the grain crisis, in fact, it had a softer rhetoric, but it is very similar to the ruling ruling power, it will at that moment present an alternative position, it will have to be studied very carefully and see what the difference is, and the differences will surely be this firstly, secondly, regarding the grain agreement , we do not forget that ukraine has filed a complaint with us to the World Trade Organization and represents three countries, that is, poland, hungary and slovakia, and to represent these three before the hundred countries will be the European Commission, because the issue of trade relations of individual eu Member States with partners from outside the European Union is the exclusive competence of the European Commission and the European Union. The countries agreed on this when they became members of the European Union. So here we have a very defined framework. So that we pay less attention to rhetoric. Well, who follows polish politics a little bit . I think im used to such rhetorical speeches and the use of huge words and so on, and that is, when to listen, for example well, today, what speaks of right and justice about the germans, it would seem that tomorrow there will be a polish war , of course nothing like that is happening , but the phenomena that are important today and that will resonate in the future are what the ukrainian state also noted and the ukrainian side and it is very good that it did it, that when today we set precedents to behave on the ember for some exceptions that free trade on the free European Market ukraine as a future member of the European Union, then these conditions will be included in the agreement on ukraines membership in the eu, that is, lack of access to certain markets. And this is a violation of the basic principles of the basic rules of the European Union, that is, the game is about that and not about that, or did mirovetsky Say Something cooler zelenskyi said something differently and so on. I would like to Pay Attention to my last remark about todays statement of president volodymyr zelenskyi. He very clearly said that i had agreements with whom , the zorrofunder line, with other leaders, with the leaders of individual states, that the embargo is an exception and only until september 15, because only ukrainian producers of Agricultural Products lost to the embargo, all other polishhungarian farmers received a subsidy for this from the European Union from their own national budgets, ukraine did not receive compensation for this, and zelensky correctly said that when embargoes are carried out, it is a violation of the agreed agreements signed by the European Union with ukraine and individual states within the framework of the World Trade Organization, then it will be necessary to answer for this also financially without any pretense personal, only business, mr. Mitryniak, and i have a question for you. Well, all of us ukrainians are pleased that there is support from many europeans and in poland. Because if i look at it superficially enough, then open another front. It seems to me that the front with russia already has enough fronts there, and somehow there is still friction with the poles. By the way, in the west , the magyar front with hungary is also Strong Enough relations are not the best, it seems to me that maybe there are some thoughts in poland that maybe now is not the time to quarrel, and from the ukrainian side, as well as from the polish side, you can actually find comments of this type, what if from the point of view of a ukrainian well, no. The best moment on on on on this type of configuration well, it is probably true because now we understand that now there are other matters from the point of view of ukraine, which means that there are other matters, there are matters that are very important , first of all, the war and all the basket of france as and now there is er, certain there are probably people involved in this, as they tell us, for sure, on the one hand, to touch it like this, but on the other hand, it is possible to approach it a little differently. In ukraine if in certain spheres he meant primarily security or the military sphere if in this in this sphere here if there are no questions here no no doubts no disagreements almost no uh