Transcripts For ESPRESO 20240703

Congressmen Volodymyr Zelenskyy urged them to provide this aid to ukraine because you and in our version from this without this help, everyone will lose, said zelensky, but it was the republicans at this time, uh, they asked about the effect of the already provided help and finances with money and asked about ukraines plans for further hostilities. What about the format of the guarantee security, this is an extremely important thing, because putin has lost this hope of being able to wait out the period of unity of the worlds leading countries to support ukraine regarding security guarantees. Joe biden said that the United States has begun the process of formalizing our longterm commitments to ukraines security together with other leaders of the big seven and by other international partners, but there are not many details here yet, because as we can see, this process continues. So, about the assistance of ukraine from the Sleeping States against the background of the visit of volodymyr zelenskyi. What strategy and decision does our president choose to my partner in the preelection period. And how will this affect our ability to defend and advance . How will this affect the course and prospects of our war with the worg . This is what we will talk about in the next edition of our program on the spzo channel with leading ukrainian experts. My name is serhiy zhorits and i am the director of information of the defense express consulting company, which is jointly with the espresso channels, tries to highlight the most relevant trends related to the security of our country, and now it is joined by valentin batrak, director of the center the study of the army of conversions and analysis of analytics, writer valentina congratulations, i am glad to see sergey vitayu on the live broadcast of the espresso channel, and i am glad as always to be invited to this broadcast, yes, i wanted to start with your general assessments of the results of zelenskys stay in washington, because before we perceived we still perceive the position of the United States through the prism of aid within certain limits so that russia does not win and ukraine does not lose, but it seems that this is actually not enough from the point of view of our interests but regarding the interests of the United States itself. How do you assess the statements and words that would have been said during the visit . Well, the decision is different. Well, firstly , if you answer the question, what is the result of the weapons provided and the aid provided, then the result is one. And it continues to stand, yes, and in principle, washington is satisfied with this result , yes, it is better for washington, and for the Biden Administration, it is better now that ukraine is standing, it is stable, it is fighting, but it is better for ukraine to win, so far, biden this no need, i thought for a very long time whether it was a mistake in the western countries, including the Biden Administration, or whether it was done deliberately that ukraine was underarmed before the offensive and made incorrect assessments of russia and the potential of russian defense, and i agree with the potential of ukrainian now i am inclined to believe that this was done deliberately, and i want to remind you that on the first day of the visit, zelensky wrote that we are at the finish line in the negotiations on missile attacks , Tactical Army tactical missile complexes that are very much needed by the Ukrainian Army now and thanks to which ukraine would receive the subgerman taurus cruise missiles and be able to move on with the shooting of all logistical and infrastructural centers in particular in crimea. And this would lead to enormous pressure on the regime i do not rule out putin, which could end a generally hot company this year, because the russian factions could be scattered in general. Such a revolutionary study has now been done in russia that a mobilized person lives in russia on average four of half a month from the summons to burying him in the cemetery or leaving the corpse here on ukrainian territory, thats why the situation was very much in favor of the Ukrainian Defense forces, but now we have what we have , the west has focused on the west, including the Biden Administration has focused in fact in the 24th year when ukraine will receive the first f16 planes and when when will new options be possible maybe because sullivan very clearly said that the issue of the attack is not closed but it may arise on the agenda later later it is probably somewhere on levels on the 24th of the year, and therefore, evaluating the visit as a whole, and the next day after zelenskyi said that the question was rocketing to the finish line , the next day, this question did not arise, and it was already said that, first of all , talk about air defense but definitely this is a very necessary talk and from all contexts and the cover of the f16 airfields and the cover of our decisionmaking centers and ultimately the protection of the civilian population, although we understand that it will be impossible to close all of ukraine even if ukraine really aimed to get those 50 ee complexes of antimissile Defense Systems of the patriot that zelensky once mentioned, then the ambitions were reduced to 12 e systems because it is really not possible and not realistic in the future to get such a huge number of such expensive e systems after all, ukraine has already received 76 billion dollars of aid from western partners and the vast majority of it from the americans, and from america itself , so the issue of joint production well, for now , we need to figure out what kind of joint production, if we are talking about the possibility of a certain localization, then it will not be bad, because we know that poland, literally at the end of the summer and the beginning of autumn , announced two large localization projects , in particular, poland will process the javelin antitank complexes and poland will produce a part of the hymars including missiles e missiles i think those are not attacks from a those that for hm e are used for volley fire ee and ee will produce parts of himers launchers i will say that if poland receives now 45 missiles and also that was it would be very good if the ukrainian authorities and the americans worked with poland to ensure that ukraine received these 45 missiles, and poland, in turn, moved further. Unfortunately , the reactive diplomacy of the ukrainian authorities failed for the second time. The first time is with israel. We know that the relations with poland are very damaged now. Therefore, we need to think about this, because actually, washington made poland the main bridgehead in europe, and here ukraine could claim to do certain things together with poland and to advance further precisely in the localization of production, at the moment it is not known what kind of production it will be, but i want to remind you in the end that ukraine has not announced how much it has already and how much it did not want to advance militarytechnical cooperation. So far, no joint venture with a foreign country has been created. Unfortunately, yes in in the 18th year, an agreement was reached with turkey on the creation of a joint enterprise, the black sea shield, but the situation did not go any further, the authorities did not manage to achieve a real result and overcome the differences and nuances that were there and led to the point that actually, the biker of the machine comes to the market independently and builds enterprises here, now the most real and such a kipiai, so to speak, the indicator will be the german area of ​​metal, if it is true, in the 23rd year , joint production and joint repair work will begin, then this will be the First Step Towards creating it is joint production that ukraine desperately needs, because it is both technology and opportunities to expand exports, joint export of weapons, and in the end it is a big policy because the arrival of large western companies in ukraine it is the same part of the guarantee of security, both in the context of obtaining and creating advanced technologies and separating technology from hostile russia, and actually, the presence of western businesses inside ukraine, which will be a deterrent factor e for e for the russian authorities, i hope the next russian authorities will be more careful than this putin criminal putin the criminal regime is such that, in general , if you take the question of the evaluation of the visit , then, if there were no such statement about joint production, it would be possible at all to say that the results are very, very problematic, that the goal has not been achieved, but in the end , these are new days of opportunity. They somehow equalize the general problems of the visit and the problems, i think, not so much of the Ukrainian Government as now of the American Government authorities that are currently wavering and cannot make a decision regarding Strategic Support for ukraine because there is no geopolitical decision regarding russia and there is no decision regarding the destruction of the regime. The conclusion of this is very obvious that ukraine needs to focus more than now on its own missiles and its own drones and unmanned systems, both air and sea and groundbased this is a very powerful element of asymmetric weapons together with the traditions of the special forces of ukraine yes yes exactly the fact that the United States is currently going through such a difficult period from the point of view of internal political struggle when zelensky spoke before the congressmen when he was there discussing the terms of providing Financial Aid or there are details for past aid , then zelenskyi said that there will be no financial support, that is, if we do not receive aid, we will lose the war end of quote this is actually one of the contestants of the democrats just retold zelenskyis speech in such to a narrow circle with congressmen about why we are going to lose the war , how should we interpret it, i think that it is more broadly than the issue of the ukrainian russian front in particular , the question in general is definitely the attitude of the United States to the russian threat and attempts to build some kind of strategy of your own, which seems to be more farsighted compared to the interests of ukraine, but where factor when the situation in ukraine looks like we are closing the main problems with our own efforts, the question arises as to how far the usa is able to really protect the interests of its partners, what do you think about this of course, the phrase is so figurative, yes, it is said so that it looks a little scary, but there is a big nuance related to the fact that it is our loss or our victory is interpreted differently here and in the west, our loss what zelensky says, it means that we will not achieve the goal and we will not be able to achieve the liberation of all of ukraine, but this situation is not considered a loss in washington and washington, it would be a normal compromise even to freeze the war, and when they did the provision of this summer dash of the Autumn Campaign the emphasis was on the army reaching the sea, breaking up the Russian Group and destroying the land corridor. This was the main goal in its best form. The end of the liberation of those territories that were captured after february 24, 2022, they did not even think about other territories, and this is frankly about , but we know these ideas through the western mass media and through insider channels, but in the end, zelenskyi remembers the saying just as well churchill that the americans will do everything right, but after they test all the other options, so now its just about testing all the other options, and the missile missile issue is postponed a little and in case there really will be a threat to the fall of ukraine, then the americans accelerate the provision of f16s and ee accelerate the provision of ee missiles for these attacks with e and possibly some other weapons such as ee fire support helicopters or maybe drones of an operationally strategic operationaltactical level everything it is possible, but for now, unfortunately, the situation looks like the main burden of the war is placed on the defense forces, on the ukrainian soldiers. The only, in fact, only possibility to defeat ukraine is to create a situation where we will have thousands of missiles like neptune, but with a range of 5001,500 km, and it is possible, this is what the experts who create rockets, who create weapons say about it, just dont interfere with them, you need to eliminate all people this is the state Audit Service of ukraine, and from them its easy to move away from missile issues , uh, the rocket engineers made a revolution, the Missile Program started for the second time at the end of may 22nd, and now a year and two months later, uh, ukraine demonstrated a new missile and destroyed it to destroy with a new missile actually powerful russian antiaircraft Missile Systems that theoretically could destroy our missile but did not shoot it down and it turns out that combined operations when the ppu system is first overloaded with drones and then hit with ukrainian cruise missiles, including its a sounding missile, its not a ballistic missile, if we had an attack with a ballistic missile, we would completely destroy the entire infrastructure of russia, not even doing something for insurance, because i believe that the s400 will not be able to shoot down such missiles, but here now if we do not have american, german missiles, several thousand of our own missiles and tens of thousands of drones, tens of thousands of drones, and as i said , asymmetric weapons are drones and the traditions of special forces, our special forces units. I said this a long time ago. A study about how in the afghan war every fourth scout was a ukrainian and special forces ukrainians are the best people in the world who understand special operations everything we saw in the summer and autumn in the sector so to speak conducting special operations is just filigree surgical uncompromising work and it must be done, we must act, but of course we must stop handing over special forces units to the general commander and use special forces as assault infantry because, unfortunately, losing special forces is very large and, so to speak, not on purpose. No, this is not necessary understand and you need to know this and one short question literally for a minute about the fact that foreign publications and foreign experts determine that ukraine, in principle, is not is in a hurry to militarize the economy, he actually talks about it, and zelensky once said that while there are no threats related to the insufficient receipt of foreign aid , there is no need for an inventory of the economy, or are we making a mistake when these processes are connected by for the reequipment of our daily life, our life, our industry, we are investing in military things for later so that this will not be a bad thing for us later. What do you think about this . Four years, but in the 23rd year, he seems to have seen through it in the banking sector, and they quickly began to catch up, so to speak, and what is being done now, in principle, there are a lot of positive things. The only thing that is needed is strict centralization, because it is not clear who is responsible for what she answers that three ministries deal with drones in our country and deal with other weapons. We need a strict centralization of who is responsible for what, i believe, and we made such a proposal together with academician Volodymyr Gorbulin that it be created in ukraine the militaryindustrial commission is headed by the president of ukraine, who will be associated with the creation of powerful revenge missiles, and his deputies are purely military, i. E. , the commanderin chief, luzhnyi, and this is the chief industrialist. Existed, but there was no main industrialist, now it is, and it is possible to drastically increase the possibilities of creating ukrainian weapons, mainly Rocket Technology artillery to localize a significant amount of western weapons here and deal with the drone issue because there are a lot of drones and i heard that they are postponing the decision of which dons we will need for the 24th year. Drones for war say that seven or eight main types of drones are needed it is necessary to urgently determine and urgently monitor adjacent systems , navigation, guidance communication, and so on. The only center in the country, then we will quickly have analogues of shaheds, kamikaze drones will appear with a load of more , i mean unmanned ones with more kilos and we will actually be able to make asymmetric ones but mirror ones answers to the enemy there in russia in the depths of russia. Here is what we need to do. Thank you very much for your professional comments for your time and i will remind our viewers that the espresso channel is on the air. Valentin batrak is the director of the center for research of the army , conversion and disarmament, analytics, writer. And then we will continue our topic after the informational pause, we will talk in more detail about other aspects of interaction with the United States, pain can become an obstacle when walking up the stairs, not with my knees from knee pain. Try dolgit cream. Because of pain in the joints , the stairs are cursed, the legs cant walk anymore, wait, there is no health. But what kind of health is there for our ten, i thought so. 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Mykhailo i congratulate you, i am glad to see and hear offic channels espresso good day serhiy greetings to all the viewers of espresso, but i would also like you to express your own assessment of the results of the visit of the president of ukraine to the United States. Because there are many words , there are many statements, but we understand that this visit lasts such a difficult period. States, so what things should we highlight , what intermediate conclusions should we draw, and what should we Pay Attention to . Perhaps we did not reach the level we were hoping for, the crowning glory of this should have been the decision by the Political Leadership of the United States, because there have been no such objections from the military side for a long time to the provision of Army Tactical complexes to ukraine, and also, as we can see, it did not happen and in this context, the statements that were made by the american side about the appearance of abrams tanks in ukraine in the near future are of great importance, and the main thing is the readiness to continue comprehensive assistance in the future ukraine, but here it is important to look very carefully at the numbers that are called, a lot of them were called both during the visit and before the visit, and it is clear why because, uh, the situation with aid to the country has become not today, but in recent months, especially in september this was manifested before the visit of the president of ukraine, as a hostage to the actual internal political processes in the United States itself in the context of the upcoming elections, and therefore when the numbers are related to the amounts of american aid, we need to carefully analyze them. Saying to show and not just name them there without reference to something, because the absolute numbers can be impressive, but when you look at their breakdown, so to speak, and compare it with what the aggressor has at his disposal, the situation will appear to be different, so to speak m not so, not as powerful as it may seem at first glance , what do i mean . Well, for example, the number of general aid to ukraine is heard, and certain circles in the republican party, which are oriented towards the trump administration, are speculating about this. A measure to disrupt american aid to ukraine is called the number that ukraine