Pursuit of the agreement, that is what the pain says and directly that allegedly in exchange for the grain agreement, the un is conducting secret negotiations there and they want to reduce or cancel altogether the sanctions against the Russian Federation, in particular those related to swift and those exports that the Russian Federation insists on, which are currently blocked sir, is it at all normal that he conducts such things outside of, lets say, the ukrainian position negotiations and whether their implementation is still possible or the un can somehow influence this situation . Well, of course, it is absolutely abnormal that he conducts some kind of secret negotiations, because he a priori cannot conduct i do not negotiate and negotiations are not conducted by the parties there, it is possible with a certain mediocrity these or other mediators and maybe even the un, but not the un itself, there will be negotiations, this is the nuns, but regarding the mm, is it possible to introduce sanctions against russia first, and then cancel them, that is, if this is the way she can be responsible for her words. After that, i will say her European Union and neon, yes, it is absolutely true, that is, in principle, i am saying that they are transparent about soap and wasted, in principle, if we talk about what is happening now in the situations of those countries that are trying to balance it not only turkey, how easy will it be for them to do it in the future, because they saw that ordagan it was successful, but now every year it is more and more difficult for you with every place because it was no longer and so on and so it will continue that is in principle, i mean that the more difficult it will be, the more difficult it will be to balance, because every time you can call for abstract peace, it is one thing, and when you have to react, it is another matter, and when you, um, start to become part of this or that side, and in this case well, conditionally speaking, under certain circumstances, some of these countries can become part of the alliance with russia, that is, then it becomes a terrible situation, that is, we need to find lifelines in order to somehow secure this situation, first of all, therefore, the further it goes, the harder it will be to balance and to say such and such and such are these belting things which to which politicians thank you mr. 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On june 12, 1946 , the ukrainian population was forcibly deported to the ussr animals disappeared Ukrainian Village on the banks of the sian in 1939 there were 960 residents in the village 9 ukrainians in 1947 as part of the vistula operation the residents were evicted from the village burned down the ancient Ukrainian Village in the pasmagyr of the western beskids as of 38th year there were 600 People Living in the village of them, 562 ukrainians were deported, part of them to the ussr, part of them to the north of poland, the village ceased to exist. In general , more than 800 villages and towns with a ukrainian population were evicted in the republic of poland; almost 700,000 ukrainians were deprived of their small homeland we will forever continue the saturday season of Vitaliy Portnikov and for the next 55 minutes, Vitaliy Portnikov will comment on the most important topic. This week, we will continue, lets say, the topic of the big 20. It is very interesting to hear your position , vitaliy, regarding the African Republic , because, after all, in the fashion rendering, he emphasized on so that africa becomes a permanent member of the g20, and this is at a time when china was not represented as such a leader and russia, this is due to the fact that, after all, russia is promoting its interests in africa. And now india is so south and lets say it is important for the European Union to maintain its position, i dont think that russia can so seriously advance its interests that it is somehow hardened to the intentions of other countries of cooperation. It is rather a consultative club of american leaders even in those regional unions that have been created on the african continent in recent decades. In fact, there is no unity because some hold these ideas of democratization and other members of the military institutions. So i think that this is a purely formal decision, as the European Union participates in the 20th, so the head of the African Union can now participate in the 20th this is talking about the interests of africa, but again, i would say that it emphasizes once again the amorphousness of the union by and large and the outfit i cant at all were very important achievements in this heart achievements in this summit for him i would say objections to the fact that these are the most completely disconnected world and the absence of Vladimir Putin sisinfin at this summit is demonstrated i would say absolutely clearly that Vladimir Putin is true and in the past these twenties themselves did not exist, but the fact that he does not come , we understand the real reason, no one in india would detain him if he came to new delhi because india has not ratified the rome statute india e the council met the russian president , the outfit in bodi held a bilateral meeting with them, although it is not always necessary to say that he canceled it himself from russia to india. The president of russia said that he should end this war, but if we ourselves imagine Vladimir Putin in new delhi, he would have met with fashionable people, he would have met with the president of brazil, lulu, he would have met with the head of the African Union , the president of comoros called him brother during the tourists themselves, africa was all right for him, but for putin this is not necessary. He could not bear that he is practically being boycotted by the same western leaders whose club he was a member of until 2014 and who until 2022 came to him one by one and convinced him that he did not start the war and now these people are just trying to make him as i think he remembered what happened to Sergey Lavrov during last years twenties at the ball and when lavrov spoke at the meeting of the minister of Foreign Affairs when putin sent him to the twenties themselves. By the way, here is an interesting thing that last year we talked a lot about the words of those present at this summit. And now you noticed him as if he was not there, that is, they tried to keep so that their presence was generally vague and imperceptible, this says a lot, and all the calls are a completely different story, all in general, denpin has always been at the t20 itself, this is the first summit that he did not go to and this is a frank demarche. It usually concerns two people. To the minister of india that without understanding with him there will be no political triumphs in fashion , that if modi wants to look like a global leader, he needs good relations with china, which do not exist, which have worsened recently, and cd is also excellent i understood that modi can during this summit, if he comes there, act as the leader of the claims of the united Southeast Asia, because the day before, china itself seems to have specially published this standard geographical map of its own, where there are geographical territorial claims to everyone who can reach india to the countries of Southeast Asia to russia, everywhere some foreign territories are part of the peoples republic of china, this is certainly incredible, i said the art of diplomacy and so we should not think that china did not understand something, they knew exactly what they were doing and they wanted such a confrontation to show that they can afford to publish a map and not come to the summit, and it is certainly not very pleasant for fashion. The absence of one way or another shows that cd in can consider some summits for which india has been preparing for years to consider them a secondary political event and india is forced to swallow. Well, and secondly, this is such a politician, and for whom these calls were going to teach it to biden, the one that biden obviously wanted a bilateral meeting with the president and the head of the peoples republic of china, and this meeting was not happened and with this he showed again that if he does not want to, he does not meet with the american president , or he is not going to go somewhere specifically to meet with biden. Well, what if biden wants to meet with him . It must be organized separately, it cannot be, so to speak, between we say, and that is why it is such a summit of a disconnected world, the world is becoming more and more polarized, and when the outfit in fashion , it is difficult to call a great democrat, walks there in his residence with biden, while putin is preparing for a new meetings during putins alleged visit to china, this of course means that there is no security for anyone in the world anymore. If all these International Mechanisms do not work, the twentyone do not work , the United Nations does not work, regional alliances do not work. This is simply the world in a state of foreboding some new serious conflicts. I think that , in principle, the war in ukraine , with all its drama, cannot even be compared to what humanity will have to go through. Now it will not be possible in any way to stop this trend well, in principle, the war in ukraine will be forgotten in a year or two after the end because it will be just childrens toys compared to what can still be and this is what is happening that the leaders of global countries that have Nuclear Weapons are not able to find a common language among themselves, this is a death sentence for tens of millions of people, and if it can appear, it is the ability to find a compromise if the world is really very popular. Nations. I dont see any sense in this compromise, because before it was possible to find a compromise. When two of the systems existed , one parallel, the other was the communist system in russia, in china, without private property, without transparency, without uh, how could there be competition, people who lived in the soviet union, and im not talking about the people who lived there in the peoples republic of china, it was generally a poor country there, they still didnt understand how people lived outside of theirs, i would say this baroque you imagine that soviet people in principle they imagined the west simply as some place where there are more sausages and cheese and more ere clothes , all this stuff there and there freedom, what there people there participate in the management of their own country or their own city no, just not that, why . And that . Well, what what does it matter at all how much they receive or do they have free medical care in the language of free medicine well, it doesnt even matter what people thought. For the first time in years after the collapse of the soviet union, i see how these former soviet people traveled to the west and they did not understand anything at all, the only thing what is it you see ohohoh what a store oh my god i came to germany and there there thats all and of course in such a situation in such a situation how to think about the preservation of power or something that threatens this regime that the soviet or the chinese did not have and that was it the absence of the idea of peaceful coexistence of systems with different social authorities is what the soviet communists proposed in the 50s of the xx century. China did not really believe in it in the past. They were preparing for a nuclear war, but then, in principle, it became clear that even during the mao meeting dzidona with the president of the United States in the relatives of nixon, what can they sing like that again . Well , lets destroy nothing there. The soviet union helped the National Liberation movement of african countries somewhere, the peoples republic of china allocated money to the mari movement, he distilled for a car into the situation throughout asia there he to her in the name only it was possible to create these communist parties of mine they created but this is this not a global conflict you created about the Chinese Communist party. And we are there, relatively speaking. He adds that they took and killed 50,000 communists with women and children from it, so and so. Such was the world. Well, everything solved the problem right now, fortunately, it does not happen here either. There is another absolute problem that during this time both russia and china became a state with a market economy in russia, this market economy is governed by the state, of course, but it is a market in china, it is governed by the communist party, but it is a market, these are all states that are designed so that their citizens are not had the huge opportunities for consumption are the same as in the democratic world, the internet is much more transparent. So they are limited by it, but it is much more information, and there is always a danger that when people satisfy their economic desires , they will strive for freedom, so up to a certain point, maybe there will still be inertia, as in russia, as in china, that we dont need it, we can replace freedom first with money, now putin has an absolutely brilliant move, he replaced freedom with an aggressive war until the time when he will fight with ukraine, er, with others the former soviet republics, he can safely feel it, but listen to these things, even if you imagine the best option for him is that he conquers it all, well, imagine from uzhhorod to ashgabat well, this same territory will also end someday, he conquered it, and from now on , it is necessary again to somehow develop the state in the conditions of the isolation of sanctions leads very much to that moment, after all, if the war with ukraine ends quickly on the issue of conquering another territory of the soviet union, it is a matter of a year, i will convince you two, it is not so difficult because you dont see it, its a completely different population, a completely different army, a completely different elite, can you imagine kazakhstan enduring a year and a half of war with russia . Kazakhstan still does not have such a society, it is not a question of fighting against the kazakhs, it is a question of fighting against president takayev. Putin already thought of fighting against president zelensky here, but the ukrainians came out for him, and i do not know how it will be in other former soviet republics and republics democratically, like georgia, armenia, listen, how many people live there . Well, we saw it all after 2008. So, no, ukraine is now protecting these countries from disappearing, i am convinced of you. It is just a shield for all of them and for those who love us and for those who doesnt love us, uh, they may not understand it, but its just such an objective fact , but thats not what im talking about. Im saying that sooner or later, any aggression will also end, we must think about the future, what is the task of moscow and china , and ill leave to prove that the authoritarian market is the norm can be proven only in one way, to destroy democracy because market democracies and market dictatorships cannot coexist, this is what i said is the main danger of the moment, in principle, we never considered such an option because we always believed that there could be either an authoritarian dictatorship, a communist one , or a nazi one, well in fact, there was no real private property in germany, but everyone also understood that it was a full state vertical and it was not a long experiment to understand everything. How long can market democracy last . Democracy and authoritarian planned communist economy, how can market democracy and market dictatorship coexist for a long time . If you remove the National Moment if you remove these imperial ambitions if you remove this is all what russia is dealing with this explains everything for itself it is still a struggle of market authoritarianism against market democracy here market democracy is corrupt well, as often happens in twerking economies, it is not underdeveloped, as it often happens in countries that only came out of a planned economy , a provincial one. Because the empire was oppressing all this time, you can make it up, but the essence is that this is a market democracy, a change of power in the economy, competition between oligarchs and between ordinary people who, speaking only conventionally , were forced to leave some of their broken cities there, and here they once or twice opened shops, opened coffee shops, opened some service and people work in russia before that they are not completely used to it, but in any case, even if they do it, they know that they have a vertical there, which is why it is necessary to transfer it to the top, and thats the way it is, after all, the market and this, by and large, cannot but conflict, so in principle, i i think that, objectively speaking, these are absolutely normal processes. Someone has to win, which model of coexistence, well, we see that there is none, everyone tried, you remember, the west tried to cooperate all the time and from china placed all its production there, it was like that, you are idiocy of the highest order you know we we have monsters like the mask that depends on the polyduros of the Central Committee of the chinese company, as well as chinese billionaires, because if half of tesla is produced in china, then why are we surprised that musk decides that the stalinists should not help us, er, free the crimean crab well, this is logically his behavior and that is why the republic of china in taiwan is saying listen to how we will communicate with our army through terlinks. But he will simply stop all this because his chinese business, his relations with the Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the party are more important to him than any democracy and it was the first of its kind. I would say that lenin once said that it is necessary that a capitalist is ready to sell you this i dont know where you will hang him, only if you pay well, then this is a beautiful , beautiful example in our country of this history and the western attitude towards china well, but they tried it was stupidity number one stupidity number two that they are now getting rid of but it is too late Energy Dependence on the Russian Federation that is , she countries have already been able to do it right all the time they hoped that they with this cooperation eh you know, they will force a tiger to eat yogurt. Thats it, yes, thats what they tried to feed putin all the time with angel merkel , she behaved with him, those are the people who keep some tiger or lion at home and the tiger or lion wants me all the time yes, there are some rabbits in some uh, uh, i dont know beefsteaks, they perform oh tyu, please , a little bit of cheese casserole. And we ll give any of our tiger cubs a toy like this one , look, eat, and shes with putin played this game all the time almost until 2014 2014 year, she makes a discovery. It turns out that he is crazy. Its not normal. That is, you are crazy, you just dont understand, and even after that she still tries to him , you know, like a fakir with a pipe. I understand that he already eats meat, but maybe you can somehow hypnotize him with the nord stream go fishing, go with strawberries, fish love worms, no, thats another problem in personality, you know, mongel, merkel lulled putin to sleep until the last day of her tenure, even she started shaking until the end of her last days, you remember she already didnt have enough nerve to be. Imagine her when she understands the full scale of what can happen, that she will be told that she is responsible for it, she understands on the one hand that she can restrain all these idiots in moscow, but she has no strength and here she goes retired and everything at once bah, this whole house made of paper, it immediately catches fire well , as it should have been, but shes not the only one. I dont want anything special about angels. Merkel talks about them. They all acted like that. Barack obama. They say that it is necessary to find a common language, they played with everyone by fire, absolutely, and now we are these nations, whether it will be unleashed by the third world war or by some kind of economic collapse of china and russia, and to prevent the third world , mr. Vitaly, we will agree on the usa, china or the usa , china, russia, and in general, we do not need russia, china, economically collapsed and thought about it, about how to appease the hungry population that will storm the kremlin or the seasonpean residence, there are no other possibilities to bear if they economically collapse. The economy, which it will not withstand very much either, but i hope that the economy in a democratic world is capable of such a recovery, of course, Exchange Rates will fall, there will be many more poor people , populist regimes will appear in many countries migrants will be killed, but there will be peace, well, there will be civil conflicts in europe, the European Union may collapse , but there will be peace, there will be no nuclear war, there will be a kind of moderate reaction, well, that is, it is not important, you already know. It is better to be many are healthy than sick and poor, but there is no choice here why do you have to be healthy, poor, lets say so, and this is the real option that the world can get if the economy of the dictatorship collapses, but so far it is not visible, of course, the goal of bin is now in a difficult situation you can see that he is nervous , the chinese economy is not recovering for him , he is not just some emperor there, he is the general secretary of the Central Committee of the party, why should he explain to his members of the politburo and the Central Committee what they he was reelected for a 30term term. Well, we reelected you. We agreed, you are responsible for everything. Whats wrong with that . Well, it s putins nerves. The same situation. He recorded that he will rule russia until 2036. We all dont rule very well. Are you satisfied with our National Leader . And what the hell is going on with us . Why, well, they dont want to play on these issues. Both are 70 years old. Putin will be 72 already this year. This is already a serious year. This year or next. Not so much why they are in this condition, they are on one side has greatness on the other hand they make mistakes and this is all a dangerous situation this is a dangerous situation how are the days like these . Will it be possible to survive them . How long will they last . The question is, if we survive, we will find out. You know, it was the 76th year. It was the 76th year when uias grandfather died and he was with him in the same year. All the top leaders of the peoples republic of china john line jude and then so almost immediately after a few years the leaders of the communist party of the soviet union died berezhnev andropov chernenko the wall and so consider that we are going to bury them all that was buried and we were carried away because it was already not very good at that time it is safe because they degraded all these regimes, and we were led by old weak people with incredible ambitions who made mistakes, these are the last years, we will blow it, it is not better years in the history of china, the last years of brezhnev are the war in afghanistan and the only the only way out of the situation was for them to die, as stalin died in 1953. Well, if they had just saved themselves, he would not have died. I think that the scale of what he had to go through if he remained alive, because he does not even imagine. Well, now, are you waiting for a new ringing the bell and then after the new leadership of russia and the new leadership of china appear, i can already tell you that we have breathed our last and now we are discussing what can be done further on this rot, so far it is not so pleasant, even china is more loyal to chinese bloggers and singers who sang katyusha and a russian song. Yes, yes. Yes, on the ruins of the mariupol drama theater. Why was it all there and for what purpose . Well, why are you surprised . Well, in china, a huge part of society is prorussian , antiamerican, for this huge part of society, it is clear when you read there is a traditionally chinese press. I mean those that are for domestic consumption and not for us forever. It is obvious that they perceive the war of russia with ukraine as a war of russia by the United States and sincerely wish that the United States in this