A historic day. Were taking back to sell the ukraine. Were taking back her song, pearson. There were more than 30000 russians servicemen, and about 5000 pieces of hardware and military equipment have been withdrawn with loses. I think this is a huge blow to polluted. Ah. Also coming up divers off the coast of florida were looking for crashed airplanes on the ocean floor. Instead, they discovered what used to be the Space Shuttle challenger. I think we didnt want to not do our viewers watching on p b s in the United States into all of you around the world. Welcome. We begin the day with the ukranian flag flying over the city of harrison for the 1st time. In months to day ukrainian troops began returning to hare san ave, Southern City that had been under russian control since the early days of this war. The events this week came at lightning speed and they raised all kinds of suspicions among ukrainians. On wednesday, the new russian commander announced that all Russian Forces in and around him on were withdrawing, saying that the safety of his soldiers was now priority number one. Ukrainian forces did not react immediately on the news. Military leaders openly wondering if the retreat could have been the russians setting a trap. But today confirmation came that Russian Forces were indeed levy. And that is when ukrainian troops began going in and for some it meant going home. Oh, shearing residence of her son, hoist the ukrainian flag again and the citys freedom square. C oh, its a rare moment in the buses, owns of ukraine. Oh, the departure of Russian Forces and arrival of ukrainian soldiers has brought back hope. Oh, the troops are returning to us guards landscape. These are images of antonio, sky, bridge, befores was destroyed. It was the only connection across the denise pro river near her song. Russian forces are believed to have blown it up as they pulled back. Russia says more than 30000. 00 troops are treated across the river to the southeast. The russian withdrawl from harrison is another glimmer of hope for ukraine, but the war continues on russia still lays claim to the region even after its troops relinquished the only major city beheld in the south. My next guest is one of the worlds leading urban warfare experts major john spencer v is chair of urban warfare studies with the madison policy form is also author of understanding urban warfare. Its good to have you with as of now that harrison is in the hands of the ukrainian army. Could this be a turning point in this war . Absolutely. I think its another major turning point, and theres been a few, but a symbolic strategic in important victory for ukraine today. And remind us for our viewers, why is their song so strategically important . So sure, i mean, like the, the broadcast said as the only regional capital city that russia was able to occupy and by this one, early in the war. But despite knowing for months and weeks leading up to this, that it was falling in despite rushing their best troops, they had left to the hairs on region. So that wouldnt ball, they still lost it. So i think thats a very significant message as to what the capability of Russian Military in ukraine is given the western supplies keep blowing to ukraine. War is about a battle willis. Ukraine is not going to run out of the will. The russia is, as you been surprised by how quickly it seemed that russia lost control of harrison. No, no, no surprise at all. Weve been watching um as an urban warfare, special specialist, the battle very closely as ukraine. Isolated the troops on the western side of the denique, or a major obstacle for a long time, cutting them off from resupply, hitting a mission, depos at long range fires. Im surprised that the russians left themselves this exposed for this long, and i dont believe that they successfully withdrew 30000 while theyre gone. I dont think that many were left. They lost a lot of soldiers in this withdrawal, and a again, abandon more equipment. So theyre, theyre, theyre Holding Strong to their position as a number one supplier of what this to ukraine. Our corresponded in ukraine told me this evening that there are reports that there may be maybe as many as 10000 russian soldiers who were left behind. And let me ask you, then, what should ukrainian soldiers, what should they be expecting . I mean, are they, should they be prepared to find hostile Russian Forces there . Or are they going to find a hungry and cold men there . So i think youre gonna find a combination of it all of ukrainians. Real have to move forward and theyve already put this out in messaging today that theyre going to approach it very cautiously because of reports of russian soldiers donning civilian equipment and staying behind. Or, of course, weve seen what happens to russian occupied areas globally, blue beach, in kids, toys, all the horrors. So, while this is a great day, and it will be celebrated by ukraine, theyre moving forward very cautiously. But i think were going to find a little bit of everything to include more surrendering of russian soldiers. Well, when you look at this, can you find a strategy then that the Russian Military is following or what can you imagine . The next step is going to be a, me do, they have options now that they have withdrawn. So its very interesting on what they might do. Their strategy is a strategy of desperation. I mean, honestly, that once you lose the momentum in war, many of these, the strategy here was to hold what they could and hope for a slowing down of the war in the winter. And then maybe somehow try to offer a position negotiation. But they, theyve never been able to re establish their lines. Theyre that low on quality troops and supplies. The turn into north korea, turning to iran. Theyre, theyre forcing social with no training into the fight anywhere where they try to hold. Now is it zap regia, nikolai . Who knows . But there i think it should send a signal to everybody around the world as theyre desperate. And ukrainians are winning. If this were to become a war where we see more urban fighting, what kind of conditions are Russian Troops in . Because, you know, weve, weve heard that, you know, tens of thousands of reservists have been called up and that theyre being trained right now. Is it realistic though, to think that russia has the capability and capacity to train them to be effective . Urban warriors, if you will, because we know that the Ukrainian Military has been planning for that of into out oh, no, not at all, especially though. Um they, they did this in like waves, of course they, they captured, as many russian citizens possible, rush them to areas in the east and in the south with no training, but then it, its in some to well as left their training brace. But theyre really desperate even there, because they sent many of their trainers into russia. Russia has never been on my radar as a proficient urban Warfare Force that takes a lot of training, a lot of discipline, cohesive well lead formations. The russians like to fight mass using artillery in front of them. The way theyve organized themselves. Theyre still dangerous. Now, im not trying to send a picture that there is nothing left of them. Mass does have a quality in thats what theyre hoping for. In the reports of over 100000 dead, probably 300000 wounded is when will they have had enough about to 4 weeks ago, the russian president said in public that the city of here. So that region would be a part of russia forever. That was just 4 weeks ago. And this week we saw the new commander of the russian operation in ukraine. He went on state television, he was the one who announced that Russian Troops withdrawing it. We noticed that one reputed is nowhere to be found when news of a defeat or setback has to be announced. What does this do to the morale of his soldiers . A 100 percent. It lowers it, although i dont know how much lower it could go. You need even small victories. You need cohesion within your group on you need messages from your leadership to keep morale. I and especially with winter coming. But this is a significant blow to the Russian Forces, especially in the south who are in this areas. Morale, motivation, willingness to fight for, for posting harps and agree. The Russian Military has had a revolving door of commanders. And i personally dont think this, this new one who just got in a few weeks ago last much longer. John spencer, we appreciate your time and your valuable insights to night. Thank you. Thank you. 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To help more than half a 1000000000 people in developing countries respond to Climate Change. Climate compensation has been a key focus at this comment or this climate summit. It is also a demand of many activists from the global south. Evelyn arch am, is a uganda climate activist. Shes joining us now from the top 27 summit in shore, mill shaped. Everythings going to have you with us. Let me ask you industrialized countries such as the United States. We heard from the u. S. President , today theyve offered support to the developing world, but the word compensation is noticeably absent here. Why do you think that is important . A festival. Id love to agree with what sony just say done today. President biden was not so clear how the United States or developing medical nations will be supporting the poor nations. And i believe that our nations are that quite me sure. 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But for nations like mine 25, he may not be. Theyd be too far for us because people are a diagnostic last suffering now. So we expected something. We expected a drastic auction taken on this. This piece may be at the, in the court. We want to see alice and damage facility set up. We do not hear these evelyn archerwill climate activists. We appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts, were the survival and thank you and thank you to for having li ah little. The heads of china and the u. S. Maintain regular contacts in various forms. Are china attaches great importance to the proposal of the us. You to hold a meeting between the 2 heads of staley dodge, is your quote, President Biden will hold a bilateral meeting with president she, jim ping of china. It is the 1st time that they will meet face to face since President Biden became president. A valuable new us should me, china, half way to let properly managed differences promote mutually beneficial cooperation, beaming, avoid misunderstandings, and misjudgments. We dont do and push china us relations back to the right track of healthy and stable development. President biden has made it a priority to keep lines of communication open with president. She to responsibly manage the competition between our 2 countries. And he believes there is no more important channel than that between the leaders of the United States and china, joe biden. And shes in pink, 2 president s about to meet face to face 2 leaders. He represent 2 worlds that many consider to be on a collision course. Next week President Biden will hold his 1st in person meeting with the chinese leader. It will take place of the sidelines of the g 20 summit summit, where leaders come together to find hopefully common ground. But the meeting of the minds is unlikely and not necessarily in the National Security interests of the United States. That is, according to the commander of u. S. Strategic command, navy, admiral charles, richard. In a recent speech, the admiral called for a fundamental change in the way the u. S. Thinks about its own defense. He says, the ukraine crisis is just a warm up and that the big one is coming, the big one being conflict with china. All right, lets talk about the military aspect here in health in the United States is in to do that. Im joined tonight by fred bowman. He is the senior director for the f e d center on military and political powers. Hes also served in the us on services and so i wish you a happy veterans day brad. I appreciate you taking the time to join us today. Um let me just go through one a couple of quotes here, the 1st one from the admiral. And he said this as i of says, our level of deterrence against china. The ship is slowly sinking. I mean, do you agree with him . And its so, you know, where are the biggest water leaks . Thanks for the opportunity to join you. And thanks for the question, you know, admiral charles richard, the head of strategic command, u. S. Strategic commanded overseas america, Nuclear Deterrent command. Control and Communication System and served our country honorably for many decades and knows what hes talking about. Hes using some sobering language there, i would say, and i think i understand the impulse, i would just flag your viewers that more than a year ago. He kind of sounded the alarm that china was conducting a quote breath taking expansion of strategic and nuclear capabilities. Im jani, thats not normal. Washington speak if you will, when someone in his position says Something Like that. And here we are about a year later with him giving the speech using words like that, you know, at risk of over simplifying from my foxhole. When i look at what the United States military is doing, i see is generally speaking, moving the right direction to try to close the gap between the military. We need in the military. We have, but almost without exception. Were doing it too slowly. And we seem to be kind of moving at the, the pace that we did in, in past years when we could kind of get away with that tectonic pace. And i do worry that americans are allies in there. I use the word free world will suffer if we dont understand that we can no longer conduct business as usual in many ways. Beijing, a sprinting, and were slumbering. And we need to wake up and move a heck of a lot faster than we are up to this point. Yeah, i mean, the admiral said that a rethink may require looking back, maybe 60, to 70 years. If hes quoted the thing we used to know how to move fast and we have lost the art of that. I mean, what exactly is he talking about there . You know, if you go back and look at american history, it with world war 2 and getting geared up for will or 2 competing and fighting world war 2 and during the cold war. Yeah. Extraordinary instances where we went from almost nothing to just truly becoming the arsenal of democracy in a way that makes me proud as an american. But when i asked myself, could we replicate that today . Im not so sure. And thats, thats a scary answer for me. And when you look at his particular portfolio, nuclear deterrence, you look at r, i, c, b, m, r, intercontinental, Ballistic Missiles were relying on minute b and threes, which are, you know, half a century old or intended for a decade or so. And weve been nursing them along in, in hes been warning we cant nursing along any longer. Yachts replacement is coming, but its coming slowly with delays. Look at the ohio class submarines, the c like of our Nuclear Deterrent. Weve nurse that as long as we can, we have to replace though. You cant extend them any longer. And yet, you know, were taking a little bit longer than we should. Im bringing the replacement online and, and the b 21. 00 strategic greater the bomber. So the list goes on and on. Meanwhile, beijing is, you know, moving to have an extraordinary triad needed together. Asap in one has to be worried about the lessons theyre drawing from ukraine and how they could potentially conduct aggression the taiwan strait. And then rattled their new killer saber and get us to back down. And so these issues are more connected, i think, than most people realize it. The end will also so that the u. S. Needs to have to find and you know, youre alluding to this the, the can do spirit that it had when it decides decided to put a man on the moon by the end of the 1960 s. And in there, hes not. If i understand correctly, hes not talking about money is not talking about policy. Hes, hes talking about people and attitudes. How do you change that or breath . I mean, youve been in the military, its a great. Yeah. Its a great, you know, a lot of the things that slow us down from going to concept or requirement to field in combat capability. These are not evil or nefarious things there. There are processes and boxes to be checked that are put there for good reason to avoid wasting money and to solicit fair competition and get the best result we can. But you know, sometimes you just cant let them perfect. Be the enemy, the good. And were now entering a world where instead of having one peer nuclear adversary, were going to have to and we have if china, if hes right and he is the, chinas conducting a new pillar, break out. You know, we dont have a strategic treaty with china. So theres no very verification or transparency elements and they wont even often return our calls, and thats going to be one of the issues in the g by meeting is like, hey, weve got to establish these mechanisms to avoid miscalculation given the stakes. If youre going to arm the teeth of nuclear weapons, you know, maybe you should at least pick up our calls when we call to try to avoid miscalculation increased risk. Yeah, well you know what you say is fascinating and itll be interesting to see what comes out of that meeting between the u. S. President and the chinese president next week. As always, brad, we appreciate your time and your insights. Have a good weekend. Thank you. You too, ah, calendar go and drop off. So running towards 2000 miles an hour. 1977 miles per hour, 10. 4 miles up, 8 miles out at the time of the explorer. And you were seeing that his swim ocean on the way man did not this the 1st in flight disaster for the u. S. Space program. In 56 man missions. Going back to the original shepherd flight. I remember that day that was the Space Shuttle challenger. Exploding shortly after launch in 1986 killing all 7 astronauts, including a School Teacher on board. 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