come face to face for the 1st time with michael americal that's really a sign the europeans are taking of the initiative and ukraine coming under increasing pressure now to make those be concessions to make some movement possible prison mccall seemingly very willing to get back to business as usual with russia with vladimir putin's kremlin had the u.s. being more engaged maybe the ukrainians wouldn't be so willing to make those compromises to make those noises there's a real sense here that a whole generation of u.s. experts who knew this region. who had studied in this region in the ninety's when these countries became independent from the soviet union people like fiona hill. that they are not being replaced they are leaving government people like senator john mccain who died recently had been a big figure in the mud on here well these people had a personal interest in this region are gone and they were placed by people who really couldn't care about ukraine's fate to the same personal level so the real worry here that this is the kind of lack of leadership and a lack of interest it's a very good point nick. this from the you know gordon song that he donated