Than not, these protests and in black shed and loss of lives. In nigeria, people are still trying to get the voices head out that a 2020, and sas protests. But are the lead us listening. Either kamani went to lagos, to talk to victims on authorities, to find out why the and sas demonstrations turned ugly. And what can be done to prevent the killings from happening again. This week on the 77 percent street debate or short on my church, the blood please come up from the park. The, the process will occur hijacked by some hoodlums from criminals, 48, just to protect the protests was attacked. So who attacked these brutus . The purchase was at sacked using governments owned properties, governments own assess ah, hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. This week we are in nigeria. More specifically, lagos, the city that gave us fella could t, who, by the way, in 1977 in his title track for the album, them give us them leave tears, sorrow, and blood explained how the Police Officers were up a time. Brutalizing, the citizens of nigeria fast forward to 2020 and his words still resonated as young people gathered to protest. What they said was ill treatment by the Police Officers until we had to find out why to african government seems so threatened by protest held by the youth who better to answer this question for me than fellow nigerians. And im going to start out with buy um and so i just want you to give us an overview of what happened in 2020 because not everybody has a clear idea. So i basically began with a lot of discontent and unhappiness and rage against the specialized robbery squad of the measuring police. Its. Its been a long time coming. So there was a lot of built pinto presentment and youth just felt like you know what enough is enough. Our forces are not hurt. Our voices are not to can seriously. And like, thats all as if they were coordinated. Protests were happening in major cities in the southern parts of the country, especially. Okay, im, lets hear from suffer because i understand you are the protest as well. And obviously we wouldnt be talking about these protest if they hadnt ended in unfortunately death. So how did it come to be that something that started organically and in bloodshed . I think one of the selling points alcala, that of the answers protest was that there was no coordinated leadership right at the, the process where organic and people just appointed themselves to, you know, coordinate, collect, and distribute resources. There was a lot of heavy pullet to size and like in the f city where some of the boys who disrupted the protest, testified that they were given 5 and an error or so you could easily by st. Power. Yeah. By any one. Okay. Let me hear from matthew aka precious stone. Oh, who was not only at the protest, but unfortunately actually ended up being shot. So perhaps that by telling us what took you to the protest, why did you feel that he was so important for your voice to be heard that day . Many times father asked, told me on it. Why do you do your ladies as i am . No, im no yo boys got oblivion and you know where you live fi or where you to enjoy your bad boy. Oh boy, im no one of them always always should. Emma undiagnosed is a threat. Me to get the money. But when a hardy does people, when you turn in junior, will godaddy left top these socks to clean or venture to solve this country . So i need to join the protein. Yes, fully. Can you explain to me how you felt when you got there . What was the energy like, how did you feel in the early hours jack missouri was so lovely, but i never believed, hadnt enjoyed. I use goof. Who shows up this really gets flagged in july flag atlas, russia dizzy what we entitled to comma to to so to speak, or what is no good about our country. What on the shore . All right, peaceful, lovely energy was firing. Okay, let me come to an officer who day in here because obviously the Police Officers actually what the receiving end doing his protest being accused of not just brutalizing young people and harassing them is its true. Would you say in your estimation . Yes, actually we have arms are saying repulse or from Police Officers been says hes in the use of force, but still it didnt mean that the entire police force was, was brutal or was insensitive to the plight of the youth. And these were things were looking into, we have of departments on the follow up looks into these complaints, but i guess people have had enough all the fels, were not moving fast enough. Okay. Um, i want to hear from allow me day because i see that your hair style is dreadlock to which i understand in this country can be a way for people to be targeted. Have you experience some of the things that p 2 p peter was saying yes, because obviously aroused by selfish as lot of time dover traits that the car should we not to happen . I mean the cloud also optical bye for now. Do you and did i go over the, could you to an arrow that you south in south buddhist is the from to nata . Does god mean to join the discount . Cause i dont know, did go go outside that, ill get shots because most of it i go up at ease at as up at the s, as with his carseat does reduced to la harassment doesnt ask you to okay. Does it out about as a game . It blows muffled. You for the buddhist, cut out so long, the pulleys us are asked me because of my s 5. What would you put as when, if i go out and give one cushion out the country, lead me to we deliver to sergeant that our catalog, ill give them out that it did not route to such my full mouth. Glad to get my food gum. The young boy, the 1st of all you got as an internet for stuff you dont want to know what youre doing for. So for future outsourcing is up to stop. I would love him to join the buddhist. Ok. Now i should mention to our viewers, that of course, saws as a squad was later disbanded, although young people here say that it was quickly replaced with a force that was very similar to that. Uh, but coming back to you of a sudden danger day. No, youre here, im going to come back to you. I had reports while preparing for this. The people would even have their telephones checked to have Police Officers looked through their Bank Account Balance and have and force them to to withdraw money. Is this true . Yeah, i mean how, how, how does it get to that poor . Okay. Yeah its, its very wrong for any Police Officer to check in with his foreign bank account. And we, we appreciate those people who just dont complain and just maybe make maybe rounds on twitter. Pardon my language around on twitter, but people actually step forwards to say, oh, this police of sans did this, we actually want to gets such reports and when we get them, we are bringing this officers and make them face on disciplinary action. What is actually wrong . And if i mistake this, im not saying im not trying to defend this bad behavior. Its not in the face, but you know, statistically you see that most times certain crimes are committed by sutton is group and the often not always, but they often have this. Luke, this tattoo and these, i mean yeah, you put that profiling profiling . Yes. But for a Police Officer, what are we saying . Nobody in nigeria should wear dreadlocks, like i said, from the beginning of these, these not at the phase, but as a Police Officer, i remember that the last 10 people thats confessed to this particular crime. I actually have 13 in physical character is meily, not physical about indices. You would not, you would not blame me if i say somebody which does indices. And the 1st thing that comes to mind is, or less than people are, is that okay, let me come to j j because hes laughing at your comment. Im not sure if its because he thinks its funny. Share your thoughts j. J. So i was laughing because he was fits in perfectly into the bureau spectrum of buyer, sir. And he was literally admit, seen by us as a Police Officer. No 4th of he says hes human was so the next level as a lease officer and as a, as an institution is to 1st of all admitted by us that they are by us to was go you for people like allah media. And between them up and doing all of those things and also to understand the collect the responsibility of everyone. Okay. Are we there means that if im moving on, i should, sorry, i should have my id card to make it easier to identify myself with are make it easier for the officer to do their job. And as long as every young mangian does not feel safe, not because of hon. So because of their own police, when they go out optimize. When the address is setting way, then weve not done enough people considered secure, brutalized receipt. I read your social media, we will continue to get bullied people continue to take into the atm to, to get to redraw money. Doses need to change. But whats also as changes that he got me now knows that even though these people are not out on the street, they can go on the streets when necessary be okay voice. Let me come back to suffer here because yes, that the government knows that now young people can mobilize the can organize themselves. But theyve also come up with innovative ways to suppress that democratic space. I mean, are we moving one step forward to steps back . The government can do Everything Possible to maintain its power, like the twitter been, for example. But i think that one of the major gains of a protests in generally and sauce in particular is the effect it has on the people. The people know that they can talk, the people know that he can demand, and the government knows that people can demand protests as a signal is an indication of a dysfunctional system. And oh, once people start to protest to the government knows that were doing something wrong and the citizen has, has noticed it, and the citizen is complaining. What happens next . Okay. Um, you say that things could be moving in the right direction because the government knows that people cant talk. But pity i want to hear from you because i know you might be of a different opinion. You were telling me earlier that you feel fearful, you know, despite the fact that the government admitted its fault and said, we shouldnt have shot you. And you are given compensation. You still dont feel safe for her just no composition, notting since they want to partner one every to you does not. Not attend martinez upon telling you. Yeah. So he does i, anybody that you send out of giving anybody composition not seeing as up on our shot on my chest, the blood p. S. Come up from the back yet. So i know can obeyed things that center as the full in the political have factual or my segment rip. So i need to go for scar voided because shes dead. No job anymore on a tango for what judges that he talking about. Id card id card in indiana to be frank is useless because you know, is really because many times go out to which i did god, when they are a lot. When you bring it out, dont just collect it. Unclear to. Im says, kid, what, what are you scared of . Im scared all my life because they adjusted angry. God meant as the angry, but they polish se angry. The quote we can come up, challenge them in a court of law. I was shot with this glued. So did pitcher the but it will show crazy. I says, and nobody i said, tongue, what was somebody like you said i brian because said i by you, i dont know the name gonna give up, would you give us a i get our kudos. I do it. I can using the language. Yeah. He chose one. Rob lee. Yeah. Judge college been a little so vibrant, so clearly short time. Right. So by the way i should mention, oh, there she is. We were just talking about you sarah, has just joined us as a lady that matthew was speaking so generously about. She unfortunately was late because of lagos traffic, but we understand and welcome. So we were just recapping what happened during the protest and i sort of as to what you know, in the long term and in the short term what was achieved. Weve heard from matthew is that he still feels fearful, unfortunately. But he bolstered because of people like you. So what would you say keeps you so brave and encouraging people like matthew, the use of language area are very free to extremely brief. So the thing is, the protest happen year, but ive, we actually got in wont be needed. Weve gotten some part of it, but we still need more. And we are able, and we are proud that were able to get about 200. 00 families. Were able to get them justice and they get just daily. I mean, were the people who are behind the shootings arrested for example. If you want to start seeing that she needs people to get arrested. It has to be a different ball game. Were in a country whereby yeah, allah, judy shall, system is not respected. It is not respected by politicians. It is no respected by those who actually made a judicial system to stand. The panels that were actually said above already said, these people need to face do attend up. So office, i want to come back to you because p t said very passionately that Police Officers are still angry because the youth dead to challenge the authority, they dare to stand up against you. Or is this how youre feeling . Honestly. I tunes are grew within. Thats Police Officers are angry because of answers. We knew that the youth got started. Bizarre brutus when at roland, where college got so it will be the process where our term, hijacked, by some who launch from criminal or i think you should use the right. I think, okay, the right word of the protest. Whenever a jack, nobody i jacks to protect the protests was attacked. So who attacked these brutus . The process was attacked using governments own properties, governments own efforts, governmental own, vacant. So if you want to start asking questions they want, so are you suggesting, sarah, that the people, the young hoodlums, as the officer has called them here, who infiltrated the protest was sent by the government . This is a very serious claim. I am not suggesting i am saying youre saying it on the day on the 9th of the lackey massacre, we were able to get about 21. People with the same shapes of i mean the same shipped of caught last like this, mash, etc. The same, they had the same tags and so it was like they were given to them. So we got about 20 to one of these people. Like you see swan, we took them, i was the, i took them, i still have ice. I mean, most did all the videos we played at the panel that was actually what made a panel to which their decision, which so this people to the police. And guess what . Were told that they are not their problem. All right, lets come back to the office a. I think its important that you able to respond and well look at the answers brutus to both. Everybody turns a blind eye to the fact that many Police Sessions we are talked. Many Police Sessions were bonds down. I dont know if you, if youre aware that many Police Officers were killed when Police Officers will be heard they live and many, many people is observed where, where are rusted . Im eating. These are facts and many rifles were cut to the way. And we lost v, whos Human Resources my for resources. So it was and i will tell you that when this process started, i will check what they were fighting for. Men of us were happy because our, our welfare was part of it so, so, so some was behind the scene where given them this not like go ahead, were going to benefit from okay. So how did it come to be that then people who are armed by the government are opening fire on their own citizens who are, and i am going to ask you if, if that statement is a statement or fox, will you tell me who else has fire arms in this country who will police were oh they every day yesterday there before . Yes, there will cover firms room hoodlums. Okay, so the police in this is a bit loud in our aides. Let. Lets see away from there for a 2nd. I want to come back to you by because earlier sephora said something important that protests are a symptom of a dysfunctional society. And im curious if you know, because weve understood that starz was just sort of the, the, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. But the underlying issues of poverty of unemployment are still there. So what happens now structure is will remain the poverty, the unemployment, inflation, Exchange Rates and balances insecurity. And these have to be seen within the backdrop of the authoritarian nature of nigerian culture. Really, can you explain that . So often times young people are told to keep quiet, you know what, you know, why should you talk when elders talking and i mean, other people much more intelligent than me have said nigeria has the characteristics of a jar on talk or see where leadership is kept within the hands of old men. So these are people who are making decisions for the country for young people that they have no idea about. I want to hear from allow me to hear why keep electing these old men who dont have any care for you . Why elect them the average the system, the of the, of the blood, their stroke to was what the rules time out. Hes going to be different game of those. Oh, so those it only balcony door to door sit ins. Wasnt as good as was nice garages. My song was, it is my bed right up to get the well, this time i will go look, we shouldnt, im missing the wrong to negotiate. Uh huh. Oh, okay. J j lets, lets, lets hear for me is good to hope that. I mean hope is, is free is good to hope that is going to be a different game. There were electrons immediately after and sauce, and the phone i was one of the louis irvine, the history of the country. Does that surprise you though . It doesnt, it doesnt, and we have to say things the way they are right now. There is nothing to say daddy voting dynamics of nigeria in terms of whats out for not in the other because people are both on or the opportunities of woodson will change with the lessons that are coming in less than a year. Yeah. All right, so i guess now i have a critical question which is why protest in the 1st place because theyll always be problems and theyll always be dysfunction in governments. So i take the risk, especially if it leads to loss of life. So if id like to hear from you 1st for the common man or on the street, what you expect them to. Yeah, too much too, as a rock or to do it. That is the way that they know how to register their displeasure, and its legitimate in the sense that every citizen has a right to expression. So i think protest i effective in their own way. Yeah. And we have seen them be very, very effective in other parts of africa, from egypt to my very own country of china. And im wondering from you, pity would you ever participate in a protest again, given what happened to you again and again and again again and again noted new data or no data by dar to cant do. Sincerely spooky, we know that the, our web, our government are crazy, so we still need to be crazy. So we need to be treated by brenda total lot, also, due to necessity being good. Now a butare cod rule to order things is not by saudi is not by okay. Look at it. Yeah. Look, attitude philippines but glory, beach, god, we assist or we move freight porch car. We got just his draw. Ward knew the true to so yeah, yeah, sure. I think this is one of the games here, protests activism. Right . It could be that before the protest, he was chilling doing his thing, but participating in the protest, it bets a spirit of accountability. You start to a lot of the activists that we have now. Were best on to protest around they cannot be too much, right. They hold the government to account the money or the reports governance processes. So i think that is one of the major gains of a protest, the birthing of an activism or activist conscious spirit, young and citizen. Okay. And now earlier we spoke about responsibility. And i want to come back to you of his own day in because looking to the future, the example that i gave of egypt. And im thinking about it as to done a south africas in bob way. So of wendys protest also end up in bloodshed. What can we do so that the next time young nigerians, which will never to be happy, which will inevitably happen, come together to produce something. Theyre not met by bullets. Well and says was a linen process for everyone, for the youths, for the security agencies and pos clellan police. So they will protest this to happen again on most often. The way we tell people does, if you want to protest, please inform the security agencies. If we know youre going to protest, we have to put certain measures in place to make sure its not. I chucks glass on i said i checked everybody else. I can look it up. Ok. So that was good. My years in place to make sure that there is no at sac and im going forward. Like you said, inevitably process is going to happen again. But we hope we are violence. We hope that it will become blowed, him extra. Okay, sarah, i want to hear from you Solutions Going forward because like i said, inevitable protests will happen here. Every Single Person in danger, once in better nature, people are always still going to protest is one thing about being government is one thing about being in the country is how are you going to, you dont, you dont treat people like their animal. So the goldman needs to learn how to talk to dis seats is, is because citizens are the part the government needs to understand that you need to constantly talk to these people. You need to consulting, talk to people so that you can know what their grievances are. And how to meet them in to me to okay. Ah, id like to hear from you or law me day in the future. What do you think young people need to do to make the conversation easier between government and yourselves . Police officers and yourselves. Do do what migalia use shuttle to try to get him to paula. I mean its really, really 70000 into algebra. Redeemed us it. Dr. Wood also does causing widows for play, for future relo to down budget. And also just reach out to our grants in on or line and also put as we need to get involved in politics in a job here in northeast north, we cannot control ladies. Okay. J j started by quoting fella equity, the great master of music, and the things that he was singing about in his album of 1977, a still very much resonating today. How do we stop that cycle . First of all, if you say that the quest for a Better Society that you never end in one, and thats not unique to niger i universe, our demo chris is like the america that ive owed up to 50 years old and over they continue to about 43 dont so its not a question of how do we stop them . The question of how do we make lives better every year and then for government to understand your people. I know your enemies, wendy. Go our debts with taxes because we are asked for better of you. Yeah. Which essentially actually helps you because you swore to uphold the constitution. Why was cited mchugh left . Conclude with you . What do you see for the future of this country . Posts and saws . Brutus, i think understanding that we form as use a Critical Mass that can really move the needle forward, is something that we need to take very seriously. I mean, we form like 60 percent of that area. The best we could do is get up pvcs and you know, again, referencing what g g said about the difficulty and seeing change. Theres a direct relationship between how much change you want to see and how much effort and work youre willing to put in. The more work you put in a better change, you will see. All right, well, thats a fantastic place to wrap up this debate. The sun is going down. Its so beautiful here and actually feel really good in my heart, which so rarely happens at the end of debates. But thats because the young people here i asked our protest, threatening to governments perhaps. But what ive heard today resoundingly is that they use the logo tire. Thank you for watching the by feed it and all you participants. That was a very informative discussion. We have to continue protecting our democratic rights and a bullet from authorities should not be the answer. Thanks a lot for your time. I am eddie micah junior. Bye for now with no with who passengers here are in for a ride. 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