Than not, these protests and in bloodshed and loss of lives in nigeria, people are still trying to get their voice, his head after the 2020 n last protests. But are the lead us listening . Either kamani went to lagos, to talk to victims on authorities, to find out why the n sas demonstrations turned ugly. And what can be done to prevent the killings from happening again. This week on the 77 percent st. D. B, i was short on my chest, the blood ph tomorrow from the back. The, the process where i checked by some good launch, some criminals, what do you, just to protect the protest was attacked. So who attacked these brutus to purchase was at sax, using government owned properties, government own assets. Ah, hello and welcome back to the 77 percent. This week we are in nigeria. More specifically, lagos, the city that gave us fella cookie, who, by the way, in 1977 in his title track for the album, them give us them leave tears, sorrow, and blood explained how the Police Officers were up a time. Brutalizing, the citizens of nigeria fast forward to 2020 and his words still resonated as young people gathered to protest what they said was ill treatment by the Police Officers until were here to find out why do african government seems so threatened by protest held by the youth who better to answer this question for me than fellow nigerians. And im going to start out with buy um and so i just want you to give us an overview of what happened in 2020 because not everybody has a key idea. So i basically began with a lot of discontents and unhappiness and rage against the special launch robbery squad of imagine police its. Its been a long time coming. So there was a lot of built pinto presentment and youth just felt like you know what enough is enough. Our forces are not hurt. Our voices are not to can seriously. And like thats almost as if they were coordinated. Protests were happening in major cities in the southern parts of the country, especially. Okay, lets hear from suffer because i understand you are the protest as well. And obviously we wouldnt be talking about these protest if they hadnt ended in unfortunately death. So how did it come to be that something that started organically and at, in bloodshed . I think one of the selling points alcala, that of the answers protest was that there was no coordinated leadership right at the, the process where organic. And people just appointed themselves to, you know, coordinate, collect, and distribute resources. There was a lot of heavy pullet to size and like in the f city where some of the boys who disrupted the protest, testified that they were given 5 and an error or so you could easily by street power. Yeah. By any one. Okay. Let me hear from matthew aka precious stone. Oh, who was not only at the protest, but unfortunately actually ended up being shot. So perhaps that by telling us what took you to the protest, why did you feel that it was so important for your voice to be heard that day . Many times files are stored me on it. Why do you do your ladies as i am . No, i am no you. Oh boy, because believing and you know where you live fi or where you to enjoy your bad boy. Oh boy, im no one of them always, always should emma and i thought that i was just a threat. Me to get the money. But when a hardy does people in utah and julia will godaddy left top . This sucks to clean offense. It is of this country. So i need to johnny potter. Yeah, just fully can you explain to me how you felt when you got there . What was the energy like, how did you feel in the early hours jack missouri was so lovely, but i never believed. Hadnt enjoyed. I used goof cool. Sure. So peacefully. Yeah. Get flagged in july flag atlas, russia dizzy. What . When tied to to comma to to see to speak, or what is no good about our country. What are near shore . Alright. Peaceful. Lovely energy was via ok. Let me come to an officer who day in here because obviously the Police Officers actually what the receiving end doing is protest. Being accused of not just brutalizing young people and harassing them is its true. Would you say in your estimation . Yes, actually we have arms or same reports of Police Officers been it says even the use of force, but still it didnt mean that the entire police force was, was brutal or was insensitive to the plight of the youth. And these were things were looking to. We have of departments on the follow up looks into these complaints. Well, i guess of people ive had enough all the fels, were not moving fast enough. Okay. Um, i want to hear from allow me day because i see that your hair style is dreadlocks, which i understand in this country can be a way for people to be targeted. Have you experience some of the things that p 2 p peter was saying . Yes, because obviously aroused by selfish as lot of time to try to that the car should we know to happen. Im in the cloud o. C o p co. Bye for now, do you and did i go over the, could you to an out of the south and ask you this is the from to not are does want me to join because i dont know did go go outside that ill get shots because most of it i go up, are, you are was up at the us with us. I see. Does reduced does when the harassment doesnt ask you to. Okay, that as it out about as a game you plus muffled you for the buddhist could absolutely pulls us are asked me to pull up my s 5 vote to put as when if i go out im going to cushion out the country, leave me to we deliver to sergeant that our catalog. Ill give them out that i do not write such my full mouth. Glad to get my food from the young boy. First go luke internet for stuff he doesnt want to know what youre doing. Foster for future outsourcing is asked to stop out of him to join the buddhist. Okay. Now i should mention to our viewers, that of course, saws as a squad was later disbanded. Although young people here say that it was quickly replaced with a force that was very similar to that, but coming back to you of his own day and j. J. No, you he, im going to come back to you. I had reports while preparing for this. The people would even have their telephones checked to have Police Officers look through their Bank Account Balance and have and forced them to to withdraw money. Is it true . Yeah, i mean how, how, how does it get to that poor . Okay. Yeah its, its very wrong for him please officer to check in with his Foreign Bank Account and we, we appreciate those people who just dont complain and just maybe make maybe your hands on twitter. Pardon my language around on twitter. But people actually stepped forwards to say, oh, this police of sans did this, we actually want to gets such reports and when we get them, we are bringing this officers and make them face on disciplinary action. What is actually wrong . And if im say this, im not saying im not trying to defend this bad behavior, its not in the face, but you know, statistically you see that most times certain crimes are committed by satin is group and the often not always, but they often have this look this tattoo and these, i mean yeah, yeah, thats profiling profiling. Yes. But for a police officer, what are we saying . Nobody in nigeria should wear dreadlocks, like i said, from the beginning of these, these not at the phase, but as a police officer, i remember the last 10 people that confessed to this particular crime actually have 13 in this, it is the core character is maybe not physical but in this is you would not, you would not blame me if i see somebody which doesnt. This is on the 1st nor comes my mind is or the last employer is that okay, let me come to gigi because hes laughing at your comment. Im not sure if its because he thinks its funny. I share your thoughts j. J. So i was laughing because he was fits in perfectly into the bureau spectrum of buyer, sir. And he was literally admit, seen by us as a police officer, no force of his is, hes human. But so the next level as a lease officer and as a, as an institution is to 1st of all admitted by us that they are by us to was great for people, i call i media and between them up and doing all of those things. And also to understand the collect the responsibility of everyone. Okay. Are we there means that if im moving on, i should, sorry, i should have my id card to make it easier to identify myself with that, make it easier for the officer to do their job. And as long as every young nigerian does not feel safe, no, because of hon. So because of their own police, when they go out at nights or when the address is setting way, then weve not done enough people consider together brutalized receipt every day on social media. We will continue to get bullied people continue to take into the atm to, to get to redraw money doses need to change. But what also as changes that he got me now knows that even though these people are know out on the street, they can go on the streets when necessary. Okay, voice, let me come back to suffer here because yes, the, the government knows that now young people can mobilize the can organize themselves. But theyve also come up with innovative ways to suppress that democratic space. I mean, are we moving one step forward to steps back . The government can do Everything Possible to maintain its power, like the twitter been, for example. But i think that one of the major gains of a protests in generally and sauce in particular is the effect. It has on the people, the people know that they can talk, the people know that he can demand, and the government knows that the people can demand protests as a signal is an indication of a dysfunctional system. And oh, once people start to protest, the government knows that were doing something wrong and a citizen has has noticed it, and the citizen is complaining. What happens next . Okay. Um you said that things could be moving in the right direction because the government knows that people cant talk. But pity i want to hear from you because i know you might be of a different opinion. You were telling me earlier that you feel fearful, you know, despite the fact that the government admitted its fault and said, we shouldnt have shot you. And you were given compensation, you still dont feel safe for her. You just know composition, notting since they wanted to partner our one every to you does not. Not upon martinez, im telling you you actually vi anybody i, you st either giving anybody composition notting us up on our shot on my church. The blood p. S. M are from the back yet, so i know the kennel, big things that tina as to fill in the political help fracture or my segment rip to i need to go for scar, voided because his dead new job anymore on a tango for what judges that hes talking about id got id, guardian, angel, i need to be frank is useless. Hello, zillow, because many ties go out to which i did god. When there are a lot going to bring it out to just collect it. Unclear to. Im this kid who it, what are you scared of . Im scared of my life because they adjusted angry. God meant us the angry polish se angry. The quote you cant come up, challenge them because of law. I was such with this clues. So did destroy the but it was so crazy. I says, and nobody i said, tongue, what was somebody liking, sir . I brian, because said i by you, i dont know the name gonna give up, would you be by i get our kudos. I do it. I can using the language. Yeah. Which was one lovely. Yeah. Judge college been a little so vibrant, so clearly short time. Right. So by the way i should mention, oh, there she is. We were just talking about you sarah, has just joined us as a lady that matthew was speaking so generously about. She unfortunately was late because of lagos traffic, but we understand unwelcome. So we were just recapping what happened during the protest and i sort of as to what you know, in the long term and in the short term what was achieved. Weve heard from matthew is that he still feels fearful, unfortunately. But he is bolstered because of people like you. So what would you say keeps you so brave and encouraging people like matthew, the use of language are, are very free to extremely brief. So the thing is the protest happen year, but uh, we actually got in what we needed. Weve gotten some parts of it, but we still need more. And we are able, and we are proud that were able to get about 200. 00 families. Were able to get them justice and they can just really, i mean, were the people who are behind those shootings arrested. For example, if you want to start seeing that she needs people to get arrested. It has to be a different ball game. Were in a country whereby yeah, allah, judy shall, system is not respected. It is not respected by politicians, nor respected by those who actually made it to the shop system to stand the panels that were actually set up. Ive already said these people need to face, do attend up. So office. I want to come back to you because pete, he said very passionately, that Police Officers are still angry because the youth dead to challenge the authority, they dare to stand up against you. And is this how youre feeling . Honestly. I dont. Our group in thats Police Officers are angry because of answers. We knew that the youth got started, the zone protest when at roland, where college got so it will be the process hijacked by some hoodlums from criminals or talk. I think you should use the right. I think, okay, the right word, the protest. Whenever a jack, nobody, i jacks the proto, the protests was attacked. So who attacked these brutus . The process was at sacked using governments own properties, governments own assets, governments own vacant. So if you want to start asking questions i want, so are you suggesting, sarah, that the people, the young hoodlums, as the officer has called them here, who infiltrated the protest was sent by the government . The various claim . I am not suggesting to him saying youre saying it on the day on the 9th of the lackey massacre, we were able to get about 21. People with the same shapes of i mean the same shipped of cut last like this much, etc. The same, they had the same tags and so it was like they were given to them. So we got about 20 to one of these people in like you face one. We took them, i was the, i took them, i still have ice. I mean, most did all the videos we played at the panel that was actually what made a panel to which their decision. We took this people to the police and guess what . Were told that they are not their problem. All right, lets come back to the office a. I think its important that youre able to respond and well look at the answers protest, but everybody turns a blind eye to the fact that medical decisions we attacked many positions were bondsville. I dont know if you, if youre away that many Police Officers were killed when Police Officers, wed be heard they do, and the many amenities of those where, where are roosted on eating . These are facts and many rifles were cut to the we and we lost v crews. Human resources my for resources. So it was, and i will tell you that when this process started and we checked what they were fighting for men of us were happy because our welfare was part of it so, so. So some was behind the scene where give them this not like go ahead, were going to benefit from okay. So how did it come to be that then . People who are armed by the government are opening fire on their own citizens who are and i am going to ask you if, if that statement is a statement of fact, will you tell me who else has fire arms in this country . Who will police were o b every day yesterday . Their voice, the week of affirms room hoodlums. Okay, so with our aides let, lets see away from there for a 2nd. I want to come back to you by because earlier sephora had something important that protest or a symptom of a dysfunctional society. And im curious if you know, because weve understood that stars was just sort of the, the, the proverbial straw that broke the camels back. But the underlying issues of poverty, of unemployment are still there. So what happens now . Structure issues will remain the poverty be, are unemployment, inflation, Exchange Rates and balances are insecurity. And these have to be seen within the backdrop of the authoritarian nature of nigerian culture. Really, can you explain that . So often times young people are told to keep whites, you know what, you know, why should you talk when elders talking and i mean, other people much more intelligent than me have said, nigeria has the characteristics of roger on talk receipt where leadership is kept within the hands of old men. So these are people who are making decisions for the country for young people that we have no idea about. I want to hear from allow me to hear why keep electing these old men who dont have any care for you . Why elect them the ive read the system, the of the, of the plot, their structures, what the roost imma is going to be different game of those oil loss. It only balcony door to door to diagnose business. I dunno. Was nice garages. My son was, it is my bed right out to get this time. I will go look, we shouldnt are missing. We do wrong to negotiate. Oh ok. J j. Lets, lets, lets hear from me is good to hope that i mean hope is is free is good. To hope that is going to be a different game. There are electrons immediately offer and sauce. And the thought i was one of louis irvine, the history of the country. Does that surprise you though . It doesnt, it doesnt, and we have to say things the way they are right now. Theres nothing to say daddy voting dynamics of nigeria in terms of voter turnout in other because we put our vote on or the opportunity of woodson will change with the lessons that are coming in less than a year. Yeah. All right, so i guess now i have a critical question which is why protest in the 1st place because theyll always be problems and theyll always be dysfunction in governments. So why take the risk, especially if it leads to loss of life. So if id like to hear from you 1st for the common man or on the street, what do you expect them to do . Yeah, too much to ask iraq or to do what that is the way that they know how to register their displeasure and its legitimate in the sense that every citizen has a right to expression. So i think protest are effective in their own way. Yeah. And we have seen them be very, very effective in other parts of africa, from egypt to my very own country of china. And im wondering from you a p t. Would you ever participate in a protest again, given what happened to you . Again and again and again again and again, we noted moody, i would no doubt by dodge, who can do sincerely speaking. We know that our web, our government are crazy. So we still need to be crazy. So we need to be treated by bring doctors who lot also do the necessities being good. Now, a butare cod rule to order things not by shouting is not by okay. Look at it. Yeah. Look at it, philippines, but blue beach god. We assist or we move freight porch car. Good just is it do or what needed to do . So i yeah, sure. I think this is one of the games here. Protests activism. Right . It could be that before the protest, he was chilling, doing his thing, but participating in the protests, it bets a spirit of accountability. You start to a lot of the activists that we have now where best want to purchase the ground. They can not be too much, right . They hold the government to account the money or the reports governance processes. So i think that is one of the major gains of a protest, the birthing of an activism or activist conscious spirit, young and citizen. Okay. Now, earlier we spoke about responsibility and i want to come back to you of his own day. And because looking to the future, the example that i gave of egypt, and im thinking about it as sudan, a south africas in bob way. So often these protest also end up in bloodshed. What can we do so that the next time young nigerians, which will never to be happy, which will inevitably happen, come together to protest something. Theyre not met by bullets. Well, and says was a learning process for everyone for the use for this occurs agencies and backlog police. So even processes to happen again on most often we, we saw people as young to protest. Please inform the security agencies. If we know youre going to protest, we have to put arm certain measures in place, make sure its not. I chucks glass on i said i checked everybody else. I can look it up. Ok. So that was good. My years in place to make sure that there is no at sac and im going forward. Like you said, inevitably, processes going to happen again. But we hope we are violence. We hope that it will become blowed him. Excellent. Okay, sarah, i want to hear from you Solutions Going forward because like i said, inevitable protests will happen here. Every Single Person in danger, once it better nature, people are always to going to protest is one thing about being government is one thing about being in the country is how are you going to, you dont, you dont treat people like their animal. So the goldman needs to learn how to talk to dis seats is, is because citizens are the part the government needs to understand that you need to constantly talk to these people. You need to consulting, talk to people so that you can know what their grievances are. And how to meet them in to me to okay, what id like to hear from you are allow me day in the future. What do you think young people need to do to make the conversation easier between government and yourselves . Police officers and yourselves do do what mcgarvey are use shuttle to try to get him to paula. I mean its really, really 70000. 00 to be in the algebra recipe in does it. Dr. Wood also does causing widows for play for future. But i love the dont budget and also just reach out to our grants in on or line and also put as religion gets involved in politics in nigeria. Here in northeast north, we cannot control ladies. Okay. J j started by quoting fella equity, the great master of music, and the things that he was singing about in his album of 1977, a still very much resonating today. How do we stop that cycle . Festival is to say that request for a Better Society is the never ending one. And thats not unique to niger i universe demo. Chris is like america that ive owed 50 years old and over they continue to about 43 dont. So youve got a question of how do we talk to them . The question of how do we make lives better every year and then for government to understand that your people know your enemies when they go out to put classes because we are asked for better of you. Yeah. Which essentially actually helps you because you swore to uphold the constitution. Why was started . Because you left conclude with you. What do you see for the future of this country, posts and saws . Brutus, i think understanding that we form as use a Critical Mass that can really move the needle forward, is something that we need to take very seriously. I mean, we form like 60 percent of that area. The best we could do is get up pvcs and you know, again, referencing what jesus said about the difficulty and being change. Theres a direct relationship between how much change you want to see and how much effort and work youre willing to put in. The more work you put in, the Better Change you will see. All right, well, thats a fantastic place to wrap up this debate. The sun is going down. Its so beautiful here and actually feel really good in my heart, which so rarely happens at the end of debates. But thats because the young people here i asked, are protest, threatening to governments perhaps. But what ive had to day resoundingly is that they use the no good tire. 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