Hello and welcome back to the 77 percent strict debate this week. We are a library as capital of monrovia. Now you might be familiar with the expression, strong african woman in this country, they suddenly having had a female president , elizabeth johnson. But this strength in women is sometimes discouraged when it comes through magic relationships. Particularly the applicant concepts such as everyone to find out why, who better to accept this question for me that some late periods and were going to start with the couple on the panel. We have a couple this so loved up austin insurance. Hello. Thanks for joining us. So lets start with the basic question of your day to day when you wake up in the morning giving me a little clue about who does what in the morning, whats your morning routine, like since how youre really signing, let me start or well, thank you. Um in the morning i wake up around 55 like 530 a get my kids ready for school wide. Hes dead getting ready for work. Okay. So would you say that your domestic responsibilities sort of equally split between the 2 of you . Yeah, it is. Yeah, but i mean, this is not something easy, right . A lot of couples have difficulties doing this even, you know, more than weld austin. How did you manage to strike this balance . I think it comes more with the level of education i got before getting into the relationship. So how do we couple of books before getting married . How to go to counseling for like 4 months. So it kind of prepared me. So basically im able to wake up Early Morning and get hot water for the kids. Im able to be beeping the little girl while she has to be ferrying corvette or something. So yeah, i think is good, and i enjoy doing you abraham, where are you . I know that you have a biblical name and also an old fashion stands on the concept of equality and relationships. Tell me a little bit about that. For me. I come with uh, african quarter background. Uh and they are. Ruth described to men both men and women. So if you know your responsibility and you know youre right and you know your limit, we can have discussion and this, this can go on. All right, so that im not assuming anything. Tell me what these responsibilities are based on your roles, and by the way, were keeping it strictly headphone number 2 for the purposes of this conversation. Yeah. So uh, for instance, um, i believe that most of your 1st choices, you know, are offered in context. Uh uh, the responsibility of the woman, but the make them be of help. So let me tell you, im laughing because the women behind me are really saying you subject something then . Yeah, i would, i would like you to complete it please. So you started by telling me womens responsibilities in their relationship. I had turned on much of one. Do all the Health Choice . No, i said most of the res response, most of the 1st choice is the womans responsibilities. So what does the man do then . You know, i will i be when setting is the head of the home and he actually is the one who provide security for the, for the home, for the family, hes responsible to, to, to provide for the home. Okay. Well nick, yeah. Who, who, who, who tell me, whats going through your mind because you were touching your fingers as he was speaking. I mean, i was the site that because weve got that when we disclose, you have like a equality relationship. My does, is lilian that was like no, so now actually jerry, im defending what i stand for. Thats what im even driving him. Oh, but the just my breast i christian nation for us this. So having a man and the woman in the home, that can be no, you quite a just so okay. Just for clarity or nikia here, definitely believes in the biblical rules assigned in christianity. And so you think that the mind is definitely the head and the woman should submit. All right, and tell me what youre thinking. The always a female is a feminist and an activist knowing that liberia was set on the basis of peach. Iraqi just explains why they are a no saying these different things. But when you look at who said those rules, whos who give the responsibilities of a woman take in charge of the room and doing the choices. You would know that the men said those rules and wish wed be lead for very bias, right . Because womens potentially is way be your own, just taken care of home. So i think there is a very big inequality based on the foundation of picture i q that was set up in our society that set our system to be very bias. Alright, i want to hear from some people at the back, right . Let me get some reactions. Come close to, to me, please. I dont want to. And the american young get caught me. So hus with just school. Take yellow. Somebody moved that marys supposed to be of this just to stick to the house. How long do you live . Its a bunch of people society, its like youre going to be what it would mean. Yeah. Okay. Thats a good question that shes asked uh, lets have somebody else here. Im gonna try to listen to this. Nice been against the each row will mind having you go right, remain home. And i that is right. Im here the monrovia to defend our culture and woman was based on mississippi and nobodys still happy like that. The only reason why we have is stimulus loving women, the i to visit it because of the other. Why that edition. So would you rather be just stayed at home once educated like thats the route of the month. They have to be what they have to, to give the house of the woman that it has to do. It is that thats, thats the best decent. Thats all quite sure why specialist, visually monassa himself was as you adopt of the book culture. Okay. So quick question. Im a woman here whos doing this job of asking questions, and moderating. I would say im independent. Does that bother you . A . Yeah. It, well maam, you know, african culture must not be defend and itd be like, youd have been in the african question. What did you f one day us up in the many in the, in the village. What if i told you that in my culture, women actually the heads of the home by so culture, you know, gods and that was said yeah. In the back onto the women that there was something missing. Lets hear from the people who was not being oh yes, i believe the minute the week. Yes. Being on f men of the weakest beings on us. Okay. So they use those rules totally met. We mean, because we get more to the docs, we make up your professional. First thing. They can be a host wife. That can be a family person. Admin can do that. So the limit that you mentioned was seeing that you still, you are supposed to be on particular position for you to and so are you a marriage or relationship is not that. Yeah. Okay. Uh uh, just just a 2nd. Let me just bring this uh, group to back to order. Yeah. So that we can get to rooted back in our conversation. So there are a few issues that have been raised here, which i want to just check with. The 1st one is that african culture dictates that the mind is the head of the home. But this is not true across most african culture. In fact, most of them a matriarchal. So what happens to your argument then abraham . So it might actually be argued that it is an african to be patriarchal. What we see it is been taken out of context because um and no disrespect or feminism, other people no, no disrespect. But that is a responsibility assigned to somebody. And that does not take away maybe your help or maybe a partner to my fiancee. But our african culture. It says that as far as route to everyone, so that role should be respected. And we shouldnt allow west in us to impose the quadrant understanding of what a family is, one of our present. Okay, so let me come back to the couple of the even holding hands. Let me tell you we are feeling so single today on this. So when you hear some of these sessions, i can imagine that the must also be people in your family who also have quotes similar views committed assess the letters, you work up and you know, washed the dishes for you to man. You woke up just get ready for work and move on, you know, and then you start to follow that. I dont get a while as you do that. So i woke up Early Morning and what is going to shop people . Is that the moon you as a me, you benefit a lot if those equality in the so i thing was you have that. So our, were grabbing was the shift is normal. It keeps, it keeps us happy. You know, sometimes it is a lot funny to your mother goes to visit you, and then shes easy watching the dirty clothes. Shes like, why is my phone rousing daddy clothes. Okay. Yeah. So shantelle, let me hear from you. Did you get grief from the in laws youre making the sun . What this is, how day let, lets say this is quote to have or healthy husband in the home is very, very good. It helps you relapse my was my ready. Oh, cool, cool. Bought. But you bought i, i can read it, enjoy and when you find me x i get rid of each all and when you find me plenty, hes not ready. Okay, cool. Right. All right. Let me just a minute. Even the bible, im a priest that she is, even the bible says you should submit one to another. So its not about the most omitting to you the man, but you guys got to submit to each other. I have to come to a nikiya bucks for that. Um the last of some aging ones with another is that the player as well . Well talk about and then. Sorry, let me just go back a bit. Wish until was logged in to mention it bought my house most help in selective right. Somebody of i have this fax to do and ill call him on all of that. But i mean, its actually a my, his let me go fill in when it comes with a list of met in the morning or in the home that shell be hit. And that is the reason why. And thats not if we have precedence, right. I will, there are work in place if we have bosses right, so you know who that should be a hit. Okay, so because you mentioned president , i mean, if this is your position, right. How did you feel when liberia elected the female president did you feel it was also for kids that shows that women also lead way . What does it mean that have the president info who is she had walked . It doesnt mean that because shes the president of the republic of liberia, so shes going to be there. Yep. Oh, okay. I know theres something that was mentioned regarding the choice of was, you know, and i think on that you explained it really well. The use of the would help shuttle has said its again, you know, my husband helps around the house. Are we using the correct language here because of what you said . It implies that the job is yours and somebody is coming to us. Yeah, i think were now using the right words because its not help right out mind each projects. And one thing i know of a partnership is that you have 2 different people with different ideas and different backgrounds coming together to agreed on. Something that the want to do is share similar values, right . And thats the same with partnerships. So theres no one coming to help the other because if you the other is down so not like i will see it. I go back again to see that some side see what is Foundation Allison site. There was be by years, and this is why you see education. I can talk about west teen people coming. Change is inevitable because of education, right. The things we knew 10 years ago have changed the way we, we did things we no longer do with right. Weve come to realize to put censure of women, especially looking at us having the precedent of seeing new pricing and rights and looking at what she was able to achieve in her term and how she approved the issue of in quality. And we may split tension, not just in like be real, but regionally, and as well globally. So tell you that we may have more, we may have more potential and not just whole us. Um, so i see it having been cancelled. Okay. Let me hear from my duty for a 2nd because we havent spoken to her. You just want to investigate this idea of the head of a home because because no one has talked about partnerships in the contemporary. Well thats we live in today. Do we still need that classical head of a home where i have no interesting relationship anymore . It is because of what i went through when i was a relationship. So i had to quit 2019 because uh i had an a deal safe partner. But while it protective, and he was very abusive. So i went to it. I held my god like king. I have to look up in the morning and what so what sucks for bucks are in . What way . Sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet, sweet. I need to understand is what do you mean put stocks but what, what, what, what helps him dress up in the morning like a child was what i went extra martin, you know, helping my relationship. Okay. And do i have a question for you as he was treating him as a king, as he was saying, which by the way, absolutely. Was he treating you as a queen . Well, he was abusive. He was really abusive. So he has actually to mid me until lost interest in having relationship. And when i see people are like, you know, quite pause and you know, i feel like theyre not being true to each other. Yeah. Okay. So obviously not all relationships which have that dynamic will end up in abuse. Yeah, lets just be clear about that. However, it can, because these a power dynamic that has not been addressed. So how do you think, how do you navigate this . So for me, people always put or have a negative connotation. When it comes to head of the were not saying that there will much would be the one to address you. Its not, its not the most responsibility to address you. If that is happening, thats abuse. Knowing your rules is different from being abused. Ok, but because you keep coming back to roles and responsibilities, right. And a question was asked, who gets to decide what the rules and responsibilities are . Its the head of the home. In this case, according to your argument, the man, how do you know when youre taking it too far . Um, so we live in a society and we have our african quarter. So thats what i said, you need to know your right. Thats the 1st thing i said is, you know, youre right. You can be, you can be in a relationship and you have values. So if someone is going at this or value thats a no, no, im saying that the i ascribe this for men and women who, who are done very clearly. Okay. I mean, thats your position and thats perfectly fine. Weve had many things, right . Including the traditional is to think thats we mentioned, even be educated, right. These are realities in this country. So what are the consequences of such extreme viewpoints, right . Weve seen in your case unfortunately, abuse. What are some of the consequences in your society . No. Yeah, of course i was just going to point out of the issue of, of abuse. The issue of a violent communication is then going to generate and get another generation of young people that will be very violent in their due for an actions. All right. Have to guess a fabulous one, right . Yeah, its cool. But my point is if you have seen that would be, should be equal. Why i submit to pay a diary why estimates say i would marry . What ever just about to me . Where do you go to the wedding . Is it comforted that way . Right . So why cant you pay them in time . It says you want to be, well see what you, what to pay. The diary that we know youll see something here. So if you pay the mans out of it, then we know they wouldnt quantity. But whats them . A spear, your direct is not c. Uh, obviously, but us on the fiscal true. Let me, let me hear from sunset because because if bright price has been paid, then technically youll under his control. Do you agree with this or not . Well, he has to pay money for his wife. That doesnt mean that the web should be on the why you are on top it both of you should be equal. Because to both of you, i want to make you also better or better, please. Not all possible grow. Ok, lisa, i want to hear from you because the question of right price is a time to perhaps get rid of some of these traditions. If we are getting in the way of quote unquote progress. I think its time a lot of times in now because the issue youve used to use award control, we in the fact that women should be called a court control, is it the men losing the masculinity . Whereas the powers scituate, they know, who is the rest of your brothers shoulder. And man, what you all do. I am the main. Theres one the moment is is that he lost his masculinity because he has no power for the fight that youre talking about. I have the control over this, i want to do this. I want to do that. I should do that you, unless its got the point youre talking to, to come through with. If i die, one might have a level of understanding. She knows what you need to do. She knows what she wants to do. So if youre standing in a way thats the time you make the announcement, im the man here because you feel she has picking up the steps to be what she wants to be. If you have fred, they view rather to comply with you a many this place they were, i try to bring them down to the i agree because they will not understand where to put the 0 to complex. We do have to wrap up at some point, and luckily i do want your opinion on this. When it comes to the professional space, were talking about an inferiority complex here, lisa, alluding to men, perhaps feeling small, which is why they need to a set themselves overly. But what does it do to remain in a professional space when domestically at home . Your husband or your father keep telling you this is your place. This is your place. Can you fully participate in society at every jews as your output in limits . You know, and it makes you to have no confidence in yourself. And i can tell you when i was going to all of those abuses, my output wasnt good at all. When i go to work, i transfer aggression. I was a happy i wasnt myself right now. I few. I feel good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah im, im really glad that you, your feeling much better now and really thank you for sharing. So as we conclude this additional list has left us, but oh, hes yeah, hes, yeah, we had requested at the beginning of this debate, which was why us wrong we meant for you had so in relationships and weve had quite a number of view points here. The question now to conclude is, is there a reason to change that dynamic . Should we go back to our old ways . Should we continue as we are . Is there a needs to even standardize and why let me hear from, oh, i am so afraid to bring the microphone to you. But lets hear you. Lets say your point is a need to go back to our tradition. And the reason why we havent is defeated is because we have to have someone else now. So we have it down to the western culture. And that is that that is what all women are risk to hit. That the reason that voice is always will happen when we wait. No technicians who put a glass of that was happy when it was missing, but it was to the court and i have to do everything. And that is what will happen to the bidding. But its like not assuming this and then its what about why you, why i think its not we may just find a new home. Okay, so let me just, are you working for example, and you must have female bosses. How do you respond to that . Oh, a has an a bus mean a female is going to come to get her to decide ready though see hard being submissive. Sometimes she just, she just was point, know how to man, and that is the high supposed to be so well not being a bus that can be from abusive to me. Oh, okay. I, i honestly cannot believe that i am hearing these words in 2023 but but, but i, but i mean youll, youll, youll view points, let me get one last one. He has been abused with eagle and because of the eagle, the having them that they were born with. I dont know if its a true. Thats why they dont the 10 know to assess 17th. Does that mean when the lid is mickey higher income than to mine . He feels the need to all without even, and itd be anything he feels like no im im the one was supposed to to mikhail incom then hor, so push us forward because when we me i am power with me. I advocate telling me i learned this aside to become better because come on with kyra children in our rooms for 9 months, which is huge. So i mean, were on dustin relationship because weve gone with them for 9 months when they come outside that weve been with them. It even be a hot spot even though we sometimes think of them as babies. Yeah, alpha as boss is but when you come on the babys man to support me, then what could be able to be the home and it Society Better that all right, let me hear from this gentleman who has been trying to speak with me the entire time lets say your view point. Were about to visit my account. What am i . Is that a love, homer . I respect and take care of the home for my be now a good the. So you know, set up bringing money, a sort of will respect a man and a more that will have locked up a lot again and will be going to feed on the internet just like a man. But youre seeing chantelle here being super loving and she has a job and shes a decatur, im not say, well not gonna work. Thats not my point. My point is that she must still have the respect. See what shes take care or to do as a woman in a home. All right, so lets draw attention back, you know, one to gets Closing Remarks. Normally at this point of the debate, i would be asking people for solutions. But after hearing all the diverse opinions, im not sure that there is such a thing as solutions. And so lets find out what your Closing Remarks as upon this, well finish with you guys. Lets start here. Just bought a one more punch, a beauty in the room. It doesnt give a right that she and i met the i built equal rights. So for me, i believe we just need to go back to what christian knows. Says what bill. Ill push the foundation and then of course, the, just by being of few minutes or whatever, given different views we have pushed as wesley knows, we want us to accept everything to bring to us and wish you disregard ours and im against i m. Lets sit down, men not understand a womens, youre not as this are, women should not be. Leaders will just sit and have a conversation. Mean is that agreed are women should be equal or 5050. We just sit and have a conversation and the conversation we did before. All right, so more dialogue, i like that from the side. Lets do some closing remark a. We did a bridge systems that were limits. We mean, we need a workload system that will put me behind. We cannot have our tradition, our quotes are suppressing, we mean keeping that as a buyer, as a buy rocky, that women cannot move beyond this because these are the most as this in it. So i think that these are framework conversation, we help us. Okay. And finally we started with a couple, id like to end with them. Weve had so many view points here. Do you think that the kind of relationship that the 2 of you have with some people might see us aspirational is on the threats . We work up in the morning as a man and getting ready for work. When you stand before that mirror, just the a human being. When you see a wife see a human being, shed her that way, man. You are going to be happy. If you bring the woman to that equal point, youre going to be happy. The one thing most of it done is yours. We have smalley on facebook. So the thing that we have a Good Relationship on feasible, but beyond facebook, we are really good and weve been good for 5 years. No complaint, not to anybody, because we are just equal and we have this agreement on ideas and wish went on with the hip. It depends the idea that were pushing well, which is a better idea. We go about that. Thank you. That is a beautiful place to rock this debates. 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