A fool of ourselves there have been similar cases and other countries so. Its just that this is the first time were seeing a case where a single perpetrator targeted so many well known public figures. And this is now prompted a public debate about whether germanys it. Security is up to snuff. About it should the head of germanys federal criminal police the b. K. Is boasting that they found the perpetrator very quickly and yet they didnt even appear to take a notice that the chancellor and other Party Leaders had been hacked wouldnt it have been good to show a bit more humility as we were surprised when we found out that several people targeted apparently contacted the authorities as early as december. But somehow the authorities werent able to detect a pattern in the attacks it wasnt until after a lot of data from a lot of people have been posted online that a proper investigation was launched at. Point it only took two days to find the perpetrator. Which makes you wonder why theres a push for increased surveillance when actually they just need to do their job with the tools we already have. So the oath or it is were made to look at all foolish. In the tank wont stealing individuals private information for the purposes of publishing it online is known as dont see. What if someone professional and not a student did this. Because that be dangerous if. They. Can be we saw that during the last us election when emails of the democratic partys Campaign Manager were leaked to the media. And russian agents were probably involved in that attack with the aim of exposing and intimidating Democratic Candidates and as a diversion tactic. So doc saying isnt new we just havent addressed it properly here in germany because typically the people who have been targeted were ordinary citizens and not celebrities or politicians. And because stalking and bullying is generally directed at regular people. People the perpetrator knows. It. And sometimes people are just randomly targeted. Of its workers considering how they handle this one do you believe German Security all thought is can prevent the next attack. As its been. Why. I cant say i was particularly happy with how this case was handled. I believe that if the attacker hadnt been a twenty year old amateur working alone or if the attack had been carried out by experienced hackers who wanted to do serious damage to these politicians and public figures for instance with malware then the attack could have done far more damage than our security authorities would have looked far far more foolish. Lets turn to the other side considering wont just happen what do you think about german politicians and then level of tech savvy. Im afraid that many politicians are in the same boat as many ordinary citizens. For most of us the internet sort of appeared out of the blue we didnt grow up with it. And while were still busy trying to figure out our smartphones there are all sorts of other things that we actually need to get a handle on to. Like how to post things online in a responsible way and everything to do with Data ProtectionData Security and Cyber Security but who is teaching us that no one when i was growing up the government and our public broadcasters put a lot of emphasis on Traffic Safety and they even had a t. V. Show about it so what kind of initiatives like that do we have today to teach various target groups about all these new issues where are the big publicly funded programs in rural areas in libraries in Adult Education centers with programs geared toward my parents generation to provide people with the necessary know how if we continue to think Everyone Needs to teach themselves i. T. N. Data security then were going to see many more incidents like this one because who has the time or energy to do that. As many politicians clearly havent learned about Data Security green party chief bank has said he was too lax about protecting his data. You once a member of the Green Youth Organization the glue you can do. News that his data was leaked affect you especially. When even also. Make it as a magnet if my heart goes out to every one of the victims creating a force and i imagine that we could have prevented this if wed had all this explained to us much sooner and much better. Or if the state had promoted things like open source Password Managers. What do you mean by. Open source means that anyone can check the security of a given program. There are a lot of really good Password Managers out there already. They can be used to safely store really long and secure passwords for different accounts a bit like a safe. I know how to use those Password Managers but i couldnt install them from my parents because they would struggle to figure out how to use them so they wouldnt even cost the state all that much to promote the development of easy to use Password Managers for all of our devices. And Password Managers like that would be a small but significant step toward better i. T. Security. On the side of. The head of the green party and other politicians are sent to quitting facebook and twitter in reaction to this data breach those are two channels that have become important channels of political information u. S. President trying to run sees government through them it doesnt make sense for politicians to quit and even boycott these media outlets. To push leeson on to the point where ten. I dont know if its smart to do that i suppose time will tell at the moment facebook and twitter are the two main platforms for public communication that allow you to reach a lot of people on the other hand if youre a party leader like robot ha back then you have a team on the team when they have their own Party Channels and outlets that they can use to get their message out to the broader public. Or to bring the internet germany was seen as a place where data privacy and security was sacred and now. What is in germany is still a place that puts a premium on Data Protection but we dont really capitalize on that our image around the world is much better than our selfimage even our government and leading government officials responsible for Data Protection we regularly portray Data Protection as something thats an obstacle to innovation and a bit of a hindrance. Of course those same officials are nowhere to be seen when there is Data Protection problems or scandals we also have many highly motivated Data Protection authorities one in each federal german state. Yeah but theyre very understaffed meaning we could be doing much more in terms of Data Protection we are very aware of the issue its just that we lack the staff to see it through. And then in terms of the general public we struggle with the usual problem people are very aware of data privacy and protection. But just to save a few cents people basically just hand over their data to whatever shop that asks for it. The lot of value what a manager is to you personally take to protect your data should i protect my data by not storing all of it in the same place. And i only very rarely use cloud servers to store my personal data. So. I think i prefer having everything on my laptop whether than somewhere that someone else could potentially access and then just download my data thats unfortunately in my memory is still good enough for me to remember many different and long passwords for times when i dont have access to my password manager beyond that i also try to avoid sharing my personal data online whenever i can im aware that whatever i share could potentially be used against me in the future i definitely have something to hide just like everyone i have things that are private that i dont want to simply reveal to the entire world about. This student in this case stole data and published it online what will happen to him in the autumn it is. An interesting question in terms of the laws that were broken there is the element of receiving stolen goods in this case data and theres the element related to data espionage so thats two possible charges involving paragraphs two zero two and two all to see of the german penal code. If you are over twenty one i imagine hed be looking at two to three years per charge. But since hes under twenty one i imagine juvenile law would apply here so maybe he wont be sent to jail but the victims can file civil suits for damages against him so things arent looking good for him here. Were not going to serve we shouldnt be expecting him to get a cushy job at twitter or facebook now that hes shown hes got the skills that would have devised that. But probably not. Although hes done show he was able to teach himself how to break into systems without having a whole lot of high level knowledge of programming skills. So hes shown hes very good at teaching himself how to do things and highly motivated to. Teach but. Its a shame he used that for such a destructive purpose because in the end he basically ruined his own future. I think that mr becker w. Is and the detail interview with three unfinished sentences from guest to complete guide to do that now to. When i shop online i make sure. That he would that i dont give everyone my actual real data maybe ill put a typo in my name or address that way the mail carrier can still find me but the data thats available about me online might not be exactly the same as my real true data. When you mention this one early on people are revealing more and more about themselves online i find that thats because i find that a big challenge for us as a society we need to create a much higher level of awareness about this people are also sharing more online because they dont realize it could potentially be used against them so. That its not just their Three Friends theyre chatting with who can see what they share so we need to teach people that. The good thing is the threat to our basic rights on the internet is to me its amazing for me its a state that keeps expanding its surveillance mechanisms each step of which chips away at our basic rights and freedoms that marcus bagatelle thank you very much for the interview thank you. How do you want to. Discover a good concept discover and with. A legend after one hundred lives the ideals of the favs are more relevant today than they were a hundred years ago missionaries who shaped things to come to ball in the past people understood design as a way of shaping society. With ideas that are. Now house world this week on t. W. We make up oh but we watch as a fix them and thats because we are the services. 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