This week on the d. W. Interview u. K. Foreign secretary boris johnson. Thank you very much for the interview and welcome on the Program Faces some days ago you said that it is extremely likely that putin personally gave the order they used the nerve agent to attack their former now both by mr screen part what they have as evidence you and the British Parliament to support this judgment well i think its very important first of all to show that we think the the cope roots for this are not the russian people not russia we have no quarrel with with russia. I love russia and im its you know i have russian ancestry so if thats not the issue these are issue is with the kremlin and with the russian state as it currently is and the reason i said what i did was because if you if you look at the. Stuff thats being used its a no beach rock agent according to our scientists porton down there very good begin to get the a p c w in the or organization for the prohibition of chemical weapons is coming in today to look at the sample that we have of of the nerve agent you also have to consider that surrogates cripple the guy that they attempted to assassinate is somebody whos been identified as a target for liquidation and that led him to putin himself said that traitors i. E. Defectors such as mr script how. Should be poisoned so its a. Russian only nerve agent this is about do you have any solid evidence that poor didnt directly or did it because what he said is the most direct accusation of russias lead that ever right. Well im afraid you know hes in charge of the clattering train as we say in the u. K. Somebody has to be responsible somebody has to be accountable and we in the u. K. Think that the. Evidence points the evidence or culpability points to the russian state and as it did in the case of Alexander Litvinenko who a new member the trail of polonium led back very clearly to the russian state and in the end. Mr putin is in charge and that is you know that im afraid he cannot escape responsibility and culpability why did he make this statement without waiting for the outcomes of the investigation that you are conducting right now and im going to you about their present government well we are giving the samples obviously to the organization to the technical experts are coming today and by the way i have great confidence in them let them that decide what they make of them they will look at the most there will be to move in the best possible the bar trees but ill tell you the reason for wanting to to get on with it is because we have such bitter experience of what happens with russia with putins russia russia with with the russian state under putin when we have a problem like this twelve years ago we had the assassination in london about exam the libyan yank and at that stage this was an extraordinary event we had and with polonium and the u. K. Proceeded with immense care and slowness and we decided to work with the russian judicial system to to try to extradite mr cove to mr lugovoy who were strongly suspected of having been responsible and in the end we just got a sort of sneering sarcastic refusal to engage with our judicial process and we felt it was very important to take this. Decision to get on to show that if you are going to use recklessly to use nerve agent of a kind that hasnt been used in europe since World War Two if you going to do that in ensues bre in well catch up then youve got to face some some diplomatic consequences and thats why weve done together you argue that their source of far they snuff edge and not the chalk is russia how did you manage to find it out so quickly thats driven possessed sample something well we we are interrogated very closely as you can this is a very i mean let me be clear with you i am. I wanted when i became foreign secretary almost two years ago one of my objectives was to try to reach out to russia i really did and i went to see Sergei Lavrov in in moscow against the advice of some people by the way who said it was a totally futile venture but i wanted to put his i genuinely think russia is an incredible country a fantastic place and it pains me to see the way things of have got between us and so i am genuinely distressed by by what has happened but when i look at the the evidence from the people from from porton down the the the bar a have the sample thing i do and they and they they they were absolutely categorical and i asked the guy myself i said are you sure and he said theres no dogs so. I think we have varied as the alternative to take the action that we have taken but i must say the difference between this time and what happened twelve years ago with Alexander Litvinenko is also that there is much more sympathy in the International Community far more understanding of the kind of behavior that russia has been engaged in in the last few years and rather table here in in brussels talking to all the other European Countries as theres hardly anybody who hasnt experienced directly or indirectly some kind of you know. Disruptive behavior is understandable but in an interview on sunday you mentioned that you would like to have a constructive cooperation with russia on that easy how do you see it having accused put in that directly well yes and you know what is the Prime Minister said on i think monday of of last week a week ago we we gave him a choice we said look. This stuff is not a check if if theres a rational explanation of how it has escaped your stockpiles and how it has come to be used on the streets of wiltshire and soulsby then come on thats thats thats Work Together and own get to the bottom of it. If on the other hand theres no explanation we can only conclude its the agency of the russian state and we got there was we were treated with the sort of satirical lots of sarcastic tweets and trolls here but there have been and i want to say is that they would like to have them access to the u. K. s materials will you allow this access through russian well i think in the first instance if i can maybe respectfully say to the to the to the kremlin detectives i think we will we will trust to the technical experts of the organization of the prohibition of chemical weapons who are here writing in in the u. K. Today lets see what their assessment is thats the the proper procedure that the u. K. Has to follow under the chemical weapons treaty and i you know i just have to say that. I find the right the russian position about what has happened to this not to talk absolutely bizarre increasingly bizarre you know were told one that they didnt make any nobody ever this one position that they take i think that the Russian Ambassador to the e. U. Said that second they say missed they did but all the stocks have been destroyed and the third thing this is yes they did but all the stocks have been destroyed except some which escaped to other countries like sweden and the Czech Republic and slovakia and america. And maybe the u. K. You know i think they need to make their mind up about this and. Of course if they if russia if the with the putin regime can clarify or explain what has happened then we are all ears and were only too willing to listen so their British Government and Prime Minister are off on the United Kingdom of heaven and now some measure a say and youre going to expire at winter for you have already expressed my different diplomats from break down and youve got a symmetrical to use here once what other measures measures have gone to take what will be the targets of this matter so i understand that some of them are nonpublic but you must understand. Its name so over the we we dont want to do this out of any particular i dont take any joy in this however im not as i know you im talking about what i mean as we say we have expelled twenty three. Diplomats from the spies masquerading as diplomats and there are other things that we are going to do and in particular yes we were toughen up our our borders we have plenty of laws which allow us to crack down on money in the u. K. That has been illicitly or unexplained. Well food is right that is money thats been in this corruptly obtained we can do that we have the National Crime agency the National Economic crime unit can can do that but i must say they are they will get on with that work but i must stress to you that the u. K. Is a. Country under the rule of law and i cannot as a politician say you know go off to that persons cash do this do that thats not how it works what doesnt can you say right now that all officials who work for mr putin including hugo szell while of he has a leg hubris property and a lot of them that he will be deprived of his property and the officials like him i think the most the the worst thing i could do you know given the work thats going on is i get into individual names of cases because all these individuals have as you know two deep pockets and very powerful moyas and i think im sure that almost anything i said about anybody would be taken to be prejudicial any case ok i will i will try to do that in another way so you referred to some russian businessman as related to point and still they might be punished what criteria will be applied in determining that one businessman is related to putin and the other is not well again i think you are inviting me very very rightly or inviting me to go further in into the detail of such cases and i think it would be wise for me to do because all such legal actions are open to challenge under our system and its very important that there should be no there should be no sign of political bias or interference and there wont be. 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