Dolphins are intelligent social creatures. Although hunting them is illegal throughout most of the world huge numbers are killed as a byproduct of the fishing industry these images prompted worldwide bans of this fishing method but it still exists and was recently certified sustainable with an eco label the m. S. C. We all want the same thing we want to see healthy productive oceans and we want to see secret supply say caught it could this in future generations. Sharks are also under threat. Millions of them are killed for their fins for shark fin soup. Will that soon have the embassies stamp of approval to. The embassy has gone to the dockside and tyler. And tyler. That that letter. What can you do as a consumer to protect life in the oceans many people eager to make the right choice rely on the blue logo of the m. S. C. The Marine Stewardship Council its a widely trusted label and tires supermarket chains now stock exclusively m. S. C. Certified seafood products. Toughens if you choose m. S. C. Products. Yes or no but i dont know if it makes any difference unless. This seal of sustainability was founded by the World Wildlife fund and the Food Industry but how trustworthy is it. Were on a journey around the world to find out. Eco fish is a Dutch Company that fishes in the north sea for place its been the m. S. C. Certified since two thousand and nine eco fish protect fish stocks it always did even without the label so why did they pay so much money for it. We were in a very difficult situation because we were to rumor that supermarkets wanted to retain the unsustainable fish from the shops and this give us the sign that were at to change so they were unsustainable well i wont say that we are knots and sustainable but we were not certified certification is only proof that you are sustainable if your cd im a c. You know then. The disco she stops. Is this label only there to ease the consumers conscience how good are the m. S. C. Standards. Fishing must not endanger the fish stocks thats the first m. S. C. Standard here its up well north sea place docks are stable but theres more to certification than that the fishery is not supposed to use methods that damage the ocean ecosystem but the eco fish vessels also use dragnets like these which are controversial. Dr one hundred floors and hes from the geo mar Ocean Research center in kiel germany. The marine biologist supported the m. S. C. For years but then he studied one hundred thirty certified fisheries and discovered that one third of the stocks were overfished and many used harmful fishing methods like bottom trawling. And you get. There is some areas where bottom trolling is prohibited like in the baltic sea the seabed looks completely different. Because it was just a natural ecosystem there is amazing its colorful we have starfish celt all kinds of alkie its full of life through with a bottom troll net you leave behind a much desert. With limbs. And wonder. Is there some in a shooting themselves in the foot too because what im trolling destroys the nurserys of the young fish why the m. S. C. Rewards labels for the continual destruction of the seabed in nature reserves i have no idea its going to sneak off with you. Are the eco label standards too lax and whos behind the m. S. C. Weve come to london home to m. S. C. Head office. Rupert hones is the chief executive. M a c is now the top eco label for fish founded in one thousand nine hundred seventy. Twelve percent of the worlds commercial fish production now bears the. M. S. C. Label thats thousands of certified fisheries rupert house doesnt want the standards to be overly limiting. Is it about. Aiming for ever break affection for the top ten percent performing fisheries or is it about engaging asian trash fisheries overfished fisheries fisheries with no management whatsoever to try and bring them up to a standard that means they might be able to stay alive be hoods feed people and be there into the future i think theres a danger of expectations of perfection losing sight of that actually challenge of shifting the story of Global Operations onto a sustainable footing. Howz ambitious goal is to see the m. S. C. Label on a third of fish products by twenty thirty. The m. S. E. Promoted this figure at the seafood expo global in brussels the Worlds Largest seafood trade fair. The m. S. C. Calls itself independent and nonprofit. However the board of trustees of the m. S. C. Foundation is dominated by representatives of the seaFood Industry. The m. S. C. Receives a licensing fee for every fish product sold that bears its logo that adds up to almost seventeen Million Euros a year and that figure is rising. Ever more and ever bigger businesses want the blue m a c logo on their products not least because buyers and consumers demand it. At the trade fair we meet in m. S. E. Insider who criticizes the m a seaboard of being more interested in quantity than quality. They certified fisheries that openly violate their own standards. He suggests we take a closer look at the mexican tuna fisheries. Here in the pacific off the coast of mexico helicopters and speed boats are chasing dolphins because swimming among them are tuna they hunt and feed together and its the tuna that fishermen want to catch. When the creatures are exhausted the fishermen drop in close whats known as a person named. This type of fishing recently received m. S. E. Certification the industry insists that they release the dolphins but do they. We had to the states to meet up with sam the body. You know theres real natural work your home in the midwestern forests thirty years ago he was the first to document the slaughter of the dolphins on video with the same fishing method through his images led to an International Boycott of mexican tuna the only viable option for documenting this fishery and what was happening with dolphins was to go undercover onboard a foreign vessel. As a crew member. And maybe. I was a really good cook and so they loved me. The first time i brought the camera out weve made a set on dolphins i mean there were hundreds of dolphins trapped in the net trying to fight up just to get that breath to keep them alive a little bit longer. And. My job was to untangle the dead dolphins out of the net that had been caught and crushed in the power of. We killed hundreds that day. Or. Now they have m. S. C. And now we can reopen the International Gates of commerce to tuna that is predicated on killing thousands of dolphins here and the only wild species on this planet that values human life an eco certified dolphin slaughter falcon that be. That the world wanted to know a conference in spain we run into on this from mexico where hes known as the king of juda. He brushes off our question about sam the bodys film saying its all fiction. But that they got hold of some rusty boat from panama and hung the dolphins in the nets themselves. But the film did succeed in getting european and u. S. Markets to boycott mexican tuna even today. Acquiring the m. S. C. Seal is the first step to making used to an accepted again. There were protests justifiably but weve since improved our methods. Now there are divers on board to set the dolphins free. One of my divers lost his life in the process. Of trying to save the life of a single dolphin. Thats how we are thats what we fight for i will not go down in history as the great dolphin killer. I. Am and. We go to Great Lengths to help the trapped dolphins thats proven by going to sea to go with us which doesnt just certify anyone who comes along they assessed us for three years. If i drop and say. Yes all of them. They say were stressing them what do you think the shocks stress them to. Or the dolphins really better protected today than they were thirty years ago when sam nobody was on board. This recent video by a mexican diversion shows that here dolphins are in fact freed from the net but thats not always successful dolphins are heavy some get tangled and drown some get injured and die later they were courting to m. S. C. Standards the hunting and killing of mammals is a fishing net that is forbidden in principle and mexican cina fishery has recently received set of acacia unfortunately there are some dolphin deaths the satiated with this fishery and no one wants to see dolphins dying on their Journey Towards entering a messy set of acacia the mexicans have worked incredibly hard developing new gear and new approaches to fishing the gear includes escape hatches to help dolphins escape they even put divers in for the few instances where dolphins are caught in the nets that again help them escape and over this period incidental best of dolphins have been decreased by ninety nine point five percent so is it all plain sailing now after all the emma sees as only four hundred eighty two dolphins a year now die on certified mexican ships. Sam nobody is convinced this number is wrong and that thousands are still dying who do believe. The body thought long and hard before joining us in mexico it was his film after all that caused the mexican tuna industry to lose millions in its most important markets. Market lerners a city in the state of sinaloa and its the hub of the mexican to an industry the embassy has certified thirty six machine vessels that supply huge amounts of commercial do not. When you arrive at the tuna fishing port. A vessel is just unloaded at the docks we want to talk with the crew. Or with the scientific observers who are contracted by the authorities to check whats being caught on every fishing trip. And get it but before we could make Contact Security appears on the scene. The man tries to stop us. Wants to know our names. It seems we are welcome. For our next attempt we pay a visit to freedom on an independent Mexican Company responsible for sending out observers and evaluating their data which is also used by the m. S. C. Their office is supposed to be in this neighborhood but even with the help of a local taxi driver we cant find the place apparently the address on their website is wrong. And eventually we find their new location we want to see whos behind freedom are if they really are independent from the industry and if we could speak to one of their observers. Most helpful but its a bit were not allowed to give information just because a lot of things depend on our work mainly the export business. More thoughtfully to morrows or government authority. And. Were a combination of private and public sector. I mean theres a lot of your funding. Yes we get money from both and were somehow in the middle neither here nor there. Wasnt any way we certainly can provide information not most of us to. A glance through the m a c assessment documents reveal some interesting information. Some of the observers were at. To take part in an anonymous survey. One of the observers said quote i can provide Accurate Information in mortality and i watched and i know but not that which occurs beneath the surface and which is managed by the divers career releasing mostly live dolphins untangled at depth but some are dead or an undetermined condition and they are usually very discreet in reporting details of the launch and they ask if any of the observers had experienced repercussions for making reports and some of them said yes. And they indicated that. And this was very interesting. One of the observers said i lost the bonus for the trip for not bringing all the information since i was not allowed on the bridge because i refused to change the report. Another quote Fishing Company cleared in a written statement that i was persona non grata in their boats. The m a c assessors didnt investigate this is bushs cases and didnt go out to sea with the ships to find out for themselves what was really happening on board. We made contact with an observer. Hes nervous about talking to us because hes signed a nondisclosure agreement but he says he would think about it. First he was going to work out at sea for two months. You go in spain europes largest fishing port. This ship has just returned from a fishing voyage in the north atlantic the cargo coming out of the hold looks a lot like shark the owners dont want us to film the cargo. They send over the Harbor Police who stop us filming even though we show them we have a permit were only allowed to turn the cameras on again inside the option all of that. Or pago is a collision Longline Fishery Association it has thirty nine ships and catches about a million sharks a year. They only make about one euro per kilo on the flesh the fins however are worth ten to twelve years a kilo. Theyre exported to asia for shark fin soup and are especially coveted by a wealthy chinese. In twenty fourteen or pago applied for m. S. C. Certification to help boost their business it offers that did i last will environmentalists have a lot of influence in society and they claim were driving the shocks to extinction that it was that way its not true but the eco warriors attack us nonetheless it with the help of v. M. S. See we want to win over the consumers got it they trust the m. S. C. There are other seals but in order is good and for the m. S. C. We barely have to change how we work at all this. Looked and it was because of that it was the. Shark makes up seventy five percent of their total catch so its their Main Business but they only applied for m. S. C. Certification on swordfish a minor portion of the catch. The assessors then categorize the main catch shark as an accidental capture known as bycatch m. S. E. Protection rules are district if the shark is just bycatch especially for stock protection. Many marine conservationists fear that shark stocks in the atlantic are already endangered. Fredricka crema walk from the organization shark project visits the shark all frequently to monitor the size and weight of the animals. Theyre getting smaller and smaller a clear sign of overfishing. Lends itself to a lot of these marco sharks arent sexually mature so theyre clearing out the north atlantic so why do they do that and gets to make money on their fins of the gold of the ocean swells. These assessments are not carried out by the embassy itself but by external certification agencies in this case bureau very ties. The fisheries are allowed to choose the agency themselves and also pay their assessors directly. So how impartial is this agency. The reported minutes that overfishing occurring could not be ruled out yet a few pages on it says the stock is unlikely to be overfished. And the final assessment this fishery should be certified according to the m. S. C. Standard. The captain of a shark fishing boat tells us business is bad because there are fewer and fewer sharks. To make ends meet the laws arent always strictly adhered to at sea. Sharks are crucial in maintaining the ecological balance of the oceans. Theyre finished with a long line like those used to catch cod on an even longer one hundred kilometers armed with over one thousand books. These images of a blue shark being he done board were found on you tube. They were recorded by a crew member of the new wave of c. D. s one of the ships that could soon have em is sea certification. This is banned on european ships. The fins are cut off the living shark on board a process called finning. The fin shark bodies are kept on board as long as there is still space if not. Theyre just thrown overboard still alive to make room for the valuable friends. That we want to know if this is still common practice today. We investigate for ourselves by following the course of the playa did read in another vessel up for m. S. C. Assessment. It makes regular calls in montevideo in europe why a popular trends shipment point for shark fins. We couldnt get a permit to shoot in the port. And this was secretly filmed in june twenty seventeen. The cargo is frozen shark and we can clearly see the bodies have no fin. To check the ship again on its next return the same story. There are white sacks being unloaded by the time. A ships officer experienced in the shark trade knows whats in this and it is that the secs are full of fins thats illegal they have to be on the body this isnt allowed to work you know are you sure its fins in their. Heels yes yes some of them are even sticking out of the sex here on this that you know that. Ive done it myself but that was in namibia look at the there was a school near. Eighty tons of shock on board doesnt have much it means eight tons of fins at most but up with you know complete coverage of what i had ten times on board. Those so i had the extra two tons of fins. In the ship. And all of that. Thats a no go and what did you do that with you know whats on the sea breeze but when the inspectors were gone i am loaded them into the same container as the bodies. There together so if i had done that here in spain the ship would have been decommissioned for fifty years. I think i would be living on a lot of. Well. How could assessors possibly give m. S. C. Certification to a fishery like this the independent Company Bureau veritas refused to give us an interview. Vancouver canada. We hope to get an answer from dr daniel pauly. Is a professor and highly regarded marine biologist who helped found the m. S. C. In one nine hundred ninety seven. Back then dr pauly was enthusiastic about the dialogue between industry and conservation. And now he distances himself from the m. S. C. All these people of the whole complex form that i must see im a certified nugents she ended the consultant at work for the certifying is to see they all know that certification brings money to their missy and that. It therefore is an incentive to give a positive think assessment because if you give a negative assessment you might not get a contract but ima see say ok its not our problem because we only certified scottish yes you can eat. All kinds of things can be done once you have. If you if you if you act in bad faith then you can lie you can you can invent all kinds of things and then you add your own to the rain or fake mills but. The point is that they have lost their soul and this soul is to be a fair partner mediating between the Business Community and the conservation programs and they have gone to the dark side and. Time and time. Serious allegation that the m. Is denies they say they guarantee a balance between history and nature conservation. In the case of the shark fishery and b. Goes spain b m a c says the responsibility lies with the assessor and that there were objections from n. G. O. S in the m. S. C. During the certification process the fishery voluntarily withdrew its application for the m. S. C. Seal they told us theyll be applying for certification at a later date. In the least here in spain many people still practice traditional fishing methods. I was there Luis Rodriguez catch is squid and hes president of the gleason small Fisheries Association he lives from the ocean and tries to preserve its resources. He pushes with homemade traps he doesnt endanger stocks and has next to no bycatch. This is what youd expect to find behind an eco label for sustainable fishery. But rodriguez doesnt want the n. S. E. C. I. Didnt. See invited us for a meeting they wanted to certify some of the species here but we cut ties with them because they were also negotiating with the industrial fleet owners about the same fish stocks. The m. S. C. Only wants to certify the stocks of a certain species but not that they are being fished by sustainable methods and we dont want the m. S. C. I think any m. S. C. Is a fraud that helps the industrial fishing fleets the consumers are completely unaware they go into the supermarket see the m. S. C. Logo and believe it guarantees the sustainability of the product. But they have no idea how the fish were caught. With the bottom troll nets and factory ships or with traditional sustainable craftsmanship. And. This year here catches several thousand tons wherever they fish on the planet it will soon be the end of the line for the species they catch. It took almost a week to one load. All this to no court from the indian ocean. The m a c is currently busy certifying to know from these big tuna fleets around the world. Resistance is beginning to form. For example in the azores. One hope one fish at a time thats how poland lined fishing as worked for generations. With this method they can never fish more than twenty percent of a school of tuna no matter how hard they work. The school can then recover Big Industrial ships on the other hand wipe out an entire school. For. Alter is a town on new years ores island of fire yeah. Theyre hosting the First World Congress of poland line anglers. Delegates from africa asia and europe come to unite in resistance to the plunder of the worlds oceans. Most people at the meeting of last frost in the m. S. C. Limits the m. S. C. Says they support sustainable nonindustrial fishing this kind of job you know gives a guy misses his a i think the m. S. C. Is a complete sham although much gets a facade for companies that dont work sustainably at all i mean there is nothing more sustainable than pole and line fishing one person one hook. Or all of the love thats what we have being liquidated soon we wont exist anymore and then just a few companies will divide up the oceans amongst themselves saturday night. Despite their feelings about the m. S. C. Seal some of these poll. All fishermen still want to have it because they cant sell their produce in europe otherwise. Fisheries have already been certified in the maldives. Yeah this is certified i will fish a but the struggling because if put in line fishery like sustainability i mean speaking its estefan one of the very cleanest and greenest is equal to also equal the same city kit carrying a logo carrying products from foley for example all the same. Schools with both fields and getting joint outs as well as. I think the consumer should be able to know what hes actually i call it but. Back in mexico we get a call to say our contact the observer has returned from a long fishing trip. Maybe he would talk to us now about how many dolphins were really dying in the pacific during m. S. C. Certified tuna fishing operations. We weighed in the fishing arbor for a Contact Person with the observer trusts as an intermediary. One hundred d. S. A man known here by all he was the director of the Fishing Authority in the state of sin i know up now hes retired and consults with the small scale fisherman who feel let down was a little bit of luck as it might have you know yet i dont know what it. Was. They say there will soon be thousands of people unemployed which will lead to robberies and even deaths. But it might not. Be out almost wants to help us so he gives the observer another call. But hes gotten cold feet he says anyone who talks risks getting thrown overboard i dont. Know if i must give up the got going to listen but i just want to talk to you. We could meet them for breakfast if i know what im talking about people whistle at the foot is. What do you think what was likely to be not there wont be any cameras no one will know your name. Ok i understand take care. Oh yeah. We use that time to travel to munson e r five hundred kilometers to the south. To seeing on tonyas what is the king of tuna who we met at the conference in hugo. He gives us permission to film in the port of his tuna factory. To he kong has just come into port a fishing vessel with the m. S. C. Label. Valuable yellowfin tuna is being unloaded. Wed like to go on board to talk to the crew or to the observer who was on the trip to count the dead dolphins. But the Companys Press officer says its out of the question. Eventually they allow us to interview the captain jose. No there quite often michael although no one protects the dolphins more than we do. We have them to thank for the chili you saw out there. Not love them that says it all. When i. Want how many dolphins die in one net on average and. See what he sees the last car almost. Was. He says its like no no im just asking as the captain what does he see and know. Ok another question. Ok. You get even if its not many i hope was out of the dolphins die. Lets see here. Its not just that. I mean. Its in the list i just asked him what he sees what happens on board and why he still dolphins died this is a really simple question for somebody who was on board scientists are not on what it said. They dont have the right to speak with thoughts so i ask the captain its not my mother passed. This law its. The cia what happens to dolphins they get injured in the nets as far as i set up on the side i wouldnt know that but my people down in the nets do Everything Possible to save the dolphins. In the you. Know them out. At the ways that have nothing more to say again we do Everything Possible to ensure that the dolphins are on a little going to school then theyre not. Going to. See. The press officer is clearly annoyed and marches away from us. The true extent of the dolphin slaughter is apparently treated as a mexican state secret. And suddenly the time to turn. The observer is now prepared to talk because he trusts one hundred will be a low voice and because we promised we could completely protect his identity. We are not allowed to film the conversation but via lobos acts as an eyewitness. Only opened up because he trusts me. With them but he was still very tense and he was constantly looking around. And then he said many dolphins are killed every time and they keep quiet about it i was. For this silence. A certain sum is paid out at the end of every fishing trip. Much. He said enough for him to live well on. Two thousand dollars for one fishing trip. But all the bottles and in this i mean when i asked how many dolphins die on one fishing trip. He said he can only speak for the ships hes been on but its more than one hundred per trip and on every ship. You see there famously. One hundred per fishing trip. With thirty six ships making several trips each year that would mean thousands of dead dolphins. Be missys d. Printed only four hundred eighty two die every year now seems very unrealistic. But they still trust this figure they see the Observer Program in mexico was well respected. But what about the bribery. Service themselves have reported that theyre intimidated or bright so i would think they are not reliable and icing mortality is much much higher a few incidences of temps that were reported the certify has to take this into account has to consider whether this could have influenced the schools and if they had any doubts they can conduct an immediate investigation as far as were aware there was no evidence of bribes actually being accepted. The Embassy Remains adamant collaborating with industry is the best way to arrive at strong and sustainable practices. And i see would like to bring fisheries into the program and then relies on the independent sesame to tell me whether or not it is sustainable we have no preconceived ideas of what is or what isnt but we have a growing Evidence Base over twelve hundred individual improvements that have been delivered by fisheries around the world that certification currently through real and lasting changes in the way our oceans of fish we have to be open to the fisheries with the exception of those fisheries using explosives and poisons because. Really its hard to imagine how such an approach to fishing could be sustainable. By the end of our journey into the world of the m a c its clear that in practice the standards counted by the eco label are open to quite loose interpretation. It seems the m. S. C. Does certify well managed to raise but also those that ravage the seas and destroying marine ecosystems. Five hundred million cans of tuna fish rule off the line in this factory every year to have a dolphin is were killed for bearing a logo that will earn the m. S. C. Lucrative license fees a certification seal to ease the conscience of consumers seducing us into buying products that do not deserve an eco label. Dr daniel pauly who helped initiate the m. S. C. As a bitter summary. The m. S. C. Was two groups that is supposed to represent industry and conservation i mean doesnt represent both groups it was created to do that but it doesnt. So it has been coopted and nobody had anticipated that a sea would be captured by history thats the only thing that explains. The m. S. E. Behavior otherwise you have to assume that they are stupid or that they are nasty. I dont think they are stupid i meant they are not nasty either this is they have been up to. A tiny beautiful or down and some solar energy. To keep your calm eco friendly wash. Thanks to this come once company in cameroon. We find out how theyre doing up to one knee in business. To africa and thirty minutes on d w. This is d w news coming to you live from berlin but Nobel Peace Prize for twenty eighteen is about three you know. Were looking at live pictures now from the Norwegian Nobel Institute in all slow in norway and well be covering the announcement in full will find out who this years laureate is in just a minute. Hello im terry march and welcome to the program were. And you live coverage of the announcement of the winner of this years Nobel Peace Prize in all its low covering the sabbat with me is our Senior Correspondent peter craven right now we are waiting for barrett thrice anderson the chair of the Norwegian Nobel Committee to emerge from the door through that door there in all the low that we saw just a moment ago there were looking in the room now and she is expected to make the announcement any second now with me is peter craven as i mentioned to peter the nominations for the peace prize are kept secret than what about the doors opening this is right there before we can even begin to talk about. The announcement of the Nobel Peace Prize for twenty eight. Good morning