The value of any kind of art form is power jus transform process your environment in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight in france i went to the Music Research center in a kind of rebellion from the existing system it was headed by a man called justice there was actually the inventor of music on cut and i met somebody thinking that music is not only made of notes and harmonies but but made of sounds. Weird let me down that really just because i live on a night on soft on a missile hit on a jet im going to say youre going to see. The difference between the noise and music is actually the hand of the musician you can make music with the sound of the rain and with the sound of the train with any kind of sounds around you. Id be immediately convinced that it was far beyond a song of music like i dont know rob bank or whatever but the new way of considering us. I dont steal again did a wonderful plot do you out. I i. I i. Eat. It it. If. I have trouble often defining my music in terms of. Melody. Ive always thought in terms of notes. But never in terms of written notes so to me a note is just very much sound but definitely in terms of sexism and into texas. Theres texas. In there and. The west is a kind of cottage process of. Bits of bits and bits of that is very much i feel and i just assimilated and. Stuck together. It sounds like its kind of a pitch sound. These being emitted by mike or you can record them and put them into a song thats. Often ill just take a sound that phrase things that Something Else and then record it meant chop them up almost at random and the natural rhythms of how they fall or something that will look off and then inspire a beetle and a rhythmic idea. But what ive been interested in sounds but i guess making music out of sounds maybe i was about fifteen sixteen and started in a more serious way and i was lying on a top of a hill listening to a skylark is making really rhythmic. Sounds and this cow was in a decent guy. I mean its sounded like john bass in a way. I also had this little portable recorder and i became interested in just capturing sound so i went and then simulating the making piece of music as a form of journaling essentially side have particular travels or periods in my Life Captured in piece of music as a way of just documenting memories and. When i was in both areas i was going out at a festival and we had a few days and it ended up just capturing sounds. To me i really like the interactive nature of foraging for sounds they have a personality already and then working with i feel as if theres like more of a collaboration and just a solo project. And i was going to find oh youre always unexpected its always surprise that what happens or theres more of a conversation i find. I like to think that somewhere in the sound itself there is this kind of texture and fabric and character of that place. The place is hidden in the sound in some way the way. I like to capture processes or tell stories from sounds the one i did in the boat for example it was quite nice to capture a traditional very Old School Fishing practice. With using the film side of it is about it kind of expands that arise and so you able to tell more stories at once. Well is the meaning light and sound. How the sound communicate the quality of the place all over an experience. Thanks how does the sound itself contain that experience and that meaning then when you sport it and play it so many of us out of the well youre still carrying if that makes him a. Marker for. A month im. No longer. Just. Just. Generation please. Let me tell you. Its tough because of the financial trade. And. I. Think. The problem we have is that we live in a very image driven society and so were kind of under the tyranny of the image already so everybody just wants to see everything your making this film the first question you asked is what images of you go you know we should go along with that for me id be happy just to see a blank screen and listen. So if you listen to my music at the beginning its quite naive so starts. Crunches and then you hear peppercorn. Think that it was important where you recorded so recorded sounds inside the British Museum and then in the sewers underneath london and in hot air balloons. And so i started to think about not only the sounds themselves but where they were recorded. I think every sound is music i think its just about. Perception or description of what music is. Thats what i think is to fill. The seat and see the scene. Thousand and nine i went to record it to pick being born and then followed it through its life one last record is death but the record it didnt push it and then cooked and ate since. The whole point about sound for me is that it starts to become a metaphor about how we interact with the world. I dont think were listening properly and i dont think were listening to stories other than listening to scientists to experts telling us that actually were kidding ourselves were running out of oil running out of food. I want recorded twenty five thousand chickens hatching at the same time i thought youd hate out in the crushing of eggs and i thought would be an amazing noise. The chicks are the same breed of the same age and even if you. Multiply meat by twenty five thousand you just get. One of the most disappointing sounds of it heard a. Sound told me something which means its an ugly industrial process and theres nothing romantically charming or inspiring all pleasant about it my music is the processes got more and more extreme in the last record i made was made of a bomb exploding and so its almost like a heart to do them in that order because you couldnt just go straight in with a bomb. That was my with one five second recording and so we just took that sound and chopped off and manipulated and did forty five minutes of material from that one so. The issue for me really becomes starts to be a moral or political or social one like is it ok to make a piece of music out of the sound of. A car accident if you dont know the person in it you know you havent lost that permission. John cage says playing music writing music and listening to music is three completely Different Things and we should never confuse them and i think its a useful guide for. One of the. People traditionally go to see live concerts its because they see somebody sit at a piano or guitar and they play the notes in front of them and the sound comes out of them in real time and its a real event that had a real moment. Whereas if im playing the sound of a pig. A pig being born all that happened six years ago in. A way im playing history in every concert i do it just gets older and older. Its like a historical reenactment telling a story from the past one minute youre playing the pig alive and thats me a pen pig dead. Its a very different relationship both with you as a performer in the material and you with the audience the. Biggest challenge is always how much information to give the audience you know do they need to know all the stories of where the sounds come from or is it enough just to listen. You dont need to hunt for a heart for sound sounds everywhere all the time its something that you cant turn off. So for me the difficulty is hearing things that you dont normally hear. That becomes about the stories and it becomes about things that happen in other countries or behind closed doors. Well the queen having sex. In the. Song is overvalued. If you look at sounds from the outside theyre all equal its not seeing any kind of value that you give them it gives them by putting them into context if you start valuing sounds just by theirselves then just you dont you just get on to the territory of taste and taste issaquah so. When i went to school we did make these physical difference relation between music being an organized form of an ordered ball sensation and why the noise is the norm organize from. For the course that nothing he said easy anymore theres no piece of pop music nowadays that does not integrate something that would have been considered noise about forty years ago. I rather belief in john cage definition from music from those who taste no difference. Once you dont start to control the material that you work with any more you you open up new perspectives and this is a concept for society. I was born in berlin. But that was a different building i had missed school drop out i did had no particular profession i had no money and i had nothing to do. Whatever we were doing in the early eightys i dont think you can pin any artistic or decisions on that so i didnt start with the aim to do anything except to work to do something with my time. In the years that followed it was computers becoming the dust end of recording its address how do you find yourself in a situation was a band which is a chemical unit of several people. Not playing anymore. A lot of times and we are not really able to transport the scenes onto stage. Mortified to jet turbine as we used to sometimes just waste too much thanks. Thanks. To sometimes the scenes that we did on also repeatable. Thank you. Thank. I want you off to be in the same situation as i was in nine hundred eighty one that i dont know when you say i would love to make the most of these mistakes again but i conked. Thanks to get. Anything. Done to. Sound hunters thats precisely what we do we hunt for cells. Because thats where the fun a lot of us. Six drummers are actually eight persons five drummers one actor and to move the director. We have never made a track on itself. Always connected to the performance. Or footage. I dont think that we think so much we just go in everyone just bangs on everything in. Here it was meant to look like the people played on these things in the room so we just collected a lot of sound. In the beginning was like this is how this will work we do something with that music and then you take it back home and its oh it doesnt work at all this works this sound that no one was aware of and someone just hit once thats a great song. And we just recorded all the living room sounds in the living room and we recorded all the kitchen sounds in the kitchen and all the battle sounds and. It was like a music video playback. The whole film started with us doing the music and while the music was in place we could start to do the shoot. The most common call meant yes of course is this for real and its always great to be able to say yes ninety five percent or ninety percent are actually that in especially in. One apartment there was i think there was one cell that wasnt and wasnt the real one. The challenge is always you have the image and you have the sounds they have to connect when you say ah thats really not thats out there the whole thing falls. It was an experiment we didnt know what kind of music it would be and it was the first time we tried it. It worked and we did the film and we had it so that was a big surprise oh it works its actually little and then we just try to push that limit how far can we go. For the feature film sound noise. We knew we wanted to make it more spectacular magical. So. We ended up with like twenty thousand files or found sounds and then it was like ok weve done this now we have to make sense of this is what. You dont sit down and think. This music should be like this and then we try to do it with the sound you start with the sounds and see what what kind of music is in the sound maybe you start with the beats. And oxygen hose. There was a breathing mask. Just as well. As it was one machine dont like. And there was another machine oh maybe we could find these two in. The machine sounded like. The new we need extra memory so there was. Troops for the. Place and. All people today i think work with our own selves weve done with the movies is very special because it just sounds or so natural when you listen to modern music today behind what you hear. That can be anything. But the getting off topic. Ladies and gentlemen it was not much to get him to nominate. A patient chamish imagine that night. The time. When we were traveling we load our gear into a taxicab and people were like oh are you. A band and were like yeah what kind of music do you play. And then theres this chasm of silence when were trying to figure out whats the honest thing to say that doesnt misrepresent what you do. But which doesnt go into way too much information and sound pretentious because then you sound like some who thinks what they do is so amazing that it really requires a lot of explaining. That system find unusual sounds manipulate it chop it up layer it with itself it was based on hearing techno unkept pop but also hearing academic music on pratt i had heard a record by pierre already i dont know it wasnt really tell i met drew that i really realized like oh this is a kind of formal preexistent sort of music and. I guess the third stream would be industrial music and noise like the lines just annoyed. Noise music was really just a way to make music while being ignorant child. Were in this sort of refugees zone between genre and thats where we belong so i dont have a problem with it except when its time to explain what it is because i dont know. When i was in college i used to listen obsessive lee to the College Radio station calle x. And berkeley and i listen to it because i wanted to hear punk rock and one night i was walking down the street listening with a portable radio and i started to hear the weirdest music. And it was this piece of micro fanie stockhausen. I want to record and it explained that the record was created by exciting a tam tam and then playing microphones movement as it got closer and. Further away from that object and then playing the signal chain by filtering and adjusting the volume i just could not believe that people in tuxedoes on going to gramophone were making these insane noises. So in a weird way like stockhausens piece gives you the whole digestive track of how electronic music can interface with the world and i didnt know any of that when i heard it when i just heard it as sound it was already amazing. When we play live we replicate for the audience the kind of process by which the music was made so martin will pick up a balloon and just start improvising all sample it live so ill start a song with literally an empty screen in which i have all of these options but theres no content yet. Electronic music interfaces have evolved in an exciting way over the last ten years where before you know like when youre making decisions about what sound to make it would literally just take time to like load up a sound before and improvisation but wongs to think. Now changed. And sometimes decide like lets work with an object because were interested in the object and its meaning other times youre just figuring out whats around and just like looking for objects and just sort of you know martins pretty good at playing objects and just working with them until you get something thats a form that works. And then were going its here has to sort through twenty five minutes of my fiddling with the glasses case this is an end of unhappiness for martin and. The deeper and to. Like more frightening question about these techniques now is just that the very impressive wow factor of making music out of an object lends itself beautifully to advertising and capitalism. Exposes that this technique can be used in a radical uncritical way but it can also be totally appropriate. To always think carefully about where is the appeal is the peel and object is it in the form were making a new record and its entirely about our washing machine are we going to take our washing machine onto or not no. One cares. But think of the clean clothes that you have on to our laundry on tour is like something youre totally obsessed with getting done and now we can do it ourselves. And. Its not really important to me that the audience knows are listening to a bridge i want them to enjoy the music as music or at least to hear the music first and then say what is that instrument. Of an ethical framework was just to lose the sounds and process i know boasting of travel or bass. I just use the wrong audio from the surface that i strike. And i write fix musical compositions something that could be played by living is asia. And shows that bridge because i wanted to have a live concert and i thought that we would use the mountains as the theater the original plan was to have live musicians with the sheet music in front of them in ear monitors so they could hear everybody else playing. This is going to cost maybe about two million dollars. And hopefully someday in the future after a kick the bucket somebody would decided they want to make it happen. So the installation is what came first. One is you walk out on to the new house in bridge you press the button hear the music on the bridge. But i realize that not everybody liked the ides so for those people we created a Site Specific radio transmission art installation. And. When the bridge music cd came out it went to number eighteen on the billboard classical crossover charts which i was very happy with and a lot of the people in the industry were going to surprised about because the record came from nowhere. After i had finished bridge music and it took five years to happen i said well now i have a proof of concept that i can show something so i came in here i went online and i looked up the eiffel tower and then i got this idea as they go you know we go again. Mayor of paris is nominally in charge of all of the monuments and i called the Mayors Office and i emailed the Mayors Office. And i sent a packet with a letter and a brochure about bridge music and my plan to do the eiffel tower and i did this six times they finally got it and they said ok what do you want to do what i would like to capture on the first level not you know particular artist. I want to get the spiral staircase all right we are doing this to be recorded every surface. With the idea that i would have six samples and i want to have two hard strikes two medium strikes and two soft strikes every surface hit with a wooden mallet six hit with a latex mallet twelve hit with a plastic ball and it just kept going when i came back i had ten thousand samples to go through this shows and on may thirtieth at eleven twelve am the first scene is us playing at the east corner the black stair railing the bottom square he said you suffer for your art and that was it i found that this handrail plays a soprano a and a middle c. This top round plays an alto genie or an f. Sharp you know the i phone tower was uncalibrated as an instrument so its not going to give you pure tone and many composers would take that sound and then we could make a whole scale out of it. But if im going to play this live this sound is only available in one location on the tower now if you look at the screen here you see that its missing notes if i wanted to write a melody with these notes. Im good but if i wanted to write it with these two notes. No good. Writing the music this is why i wanted to do it so this part is so. So enriching. Past. With the and. With. Friends they said they really would like to conceive a project with sample technique and ive been lucky to be able to have one of the first if not the real first sampling machine fairlight which is the grandfather of four the something we have the space age is the first page where the track. Different sounds i was going to use for you know he says. This machine game us with the idea why not doing in the music by replacing a lot of instruments the drums the sequence the bass by processed vocals and her. And im very happy to say its actually just just phenomenal of a woman from brandy not singing but she was speaking earlier alert and buy by processing it and you can its like a ritual sounds better larry were unloading earlier and then i started to get any kind of vocals by traveling in Different Countries or. Getting some recording or so from the neck no log at all exactly but only. I asked him to go on the record languages used by very small communities in the machu picchu lending and wuhan with them or used to be a number in general districts of sydney in australia. And because i had this strange title because look i was obsessed by finding words with a lot of those and who is eight. Little saw a recording some sounds in on the radio on television some sportsman also lots of commercials. Or something that i discovered because we were doing side them at the cent dime with my life in the bush of those brown you know and the gun. And using all these kind of really just guys and talking on the radio in america anything i could grab to mix as many textures i could i could handle. The album ive done is a pretext is actually to go far beyond and finding different ways of showing that or the sounds of human beings in a sense because. I mean after all shes only queen orks it was obviously something so different that a lot of people the region to understand. That at the same time thats been probably the most simple album of my career. Some hunters is quite. Relevant because it implies the idea for the other quest i never saw this kind of wind approach why i teach you would it to implies. You. Know for centuries weve been more as Mission Notes punters and certainly admitted for the century we became sound hunters. Just. Now all up and running. Up. Now on my person. I dont know what to do i dont know what to say. I dont know what to do i dont know what to do. I dont know what to do not i dont know what to do. Like. I dont know what to do. Because. I dont know what to do i dont know what. Happens every winter. In sold out opera houses and concert halls. But everyone knows if any clue. But no one knows how to stop it. The concert cost but chronic distraction. The romance in thirty minutes on the d w. 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