Super hero. The smart smart stay in the gym rank recently dangerous time. For. The story of the first man. To respect. By peter craig from the Eastern European perspective from the african perspective from the perspective of turkey and the arab world. Com slash w w. The palestinians are deadlocked with israel and deadlocked amongst themselves so what do they do now this week in a special edition conflict zone is coming to you from the bush Foreign Policy forum my guest is the veteran palestinian chief negotiator saeb erekat if used dream of an independent state ever came true what would it look like. South america welcome to conflict so. Youre a reluctant Peace Negotiator these days how many times have you tried to resign the post you said a few years ago at times but its probably one of those. I dont have a job since Two Thousand And Fourteen thats Something Else something negotiations so i mean busy with my job but the palestinians are closing doors as well. Where they seem to was with the americans. Nobody benefits more from Opening Doors with america know what it was more. Palestinians well thats why thats why president abbas told donald trump damn your money and your house speech destroyed you know thats from the present time said. And myself met with the president crumbling his team and Two Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty seven. I think we got the records and then you came out with that and then all of a sudden resigned from decided to take you know a lot of the Question Missteps rather than negotiation you declare yourself as risk capital move the embassy to jerusalem then if you didnt say it couldnt be your capital as well what you say that when you say. Well you said you remember what he stops coursera more you said i was in the white house thirtieth of november meeting with dr questionnaire and Justin Platt Planning for my president to come and meet president Drum On December first he said it was not ruling Out Jerusalem on the part of your capital as well im going to give you facts. Mr questionnaire camorra fifty itll be somebody from morsi thirty from iran but first of december youre supposed to sign on not moving them. And he said to me im not going to do it i said then my president the best counsel you want to make my president and the first film clip from the six to make him look like his colluding with you he said you can do that so they can do that and if you do look as if you would recognize them as capital you would have disqualified yourself from any at all and the best probably regret the fact remains you cant get on with this administration youre not going to work it you said you said theyre not only brokers. Youve said but youve accused them of not being honest brokers over the years youve worked with many u. S. Administrations who were much better disposed toward you and you couldnt do a deal with them either so you keep on waiting for someone better to come into the White House Well you know you can say this and you can say that as palestinians i have organized the state of israel right to exist and live in peace and security next to the state of palestine on the sixty seven lines at that accepting illusions two forty one committee. My president accepted no violence only through negotiations and having done all of us im asking my israeli colleagues if we dont or some of those israeli sample of sinners nobody else will help us. The surgeons are required from me and theres regular americans so the sugar in my stomach make me to sit down with the american accent more than americans here are they going out is no Peace Process now take place what shall i sit with them to do thirty seven meetings they refused to say two states or six or seven they moved their embassy they closed their consulate would establish in Eight Hundred Forty Four what do you do select your answer of ideas no im not even gonna look im not living under a crime i am going to answer me this im going to do and if youre going to shoot. In my feet ok because ive done everything humanly possible to make peace. Here it does everything i am aware that im there now look them from going to roll in my hometown you know with a mediterranean fifteen point nine percent arming the christian among the palestinians and forty nine point one percent of them. And generals because. Their only option is that was their solution i was asking you that and i was saying thats the only luther South America my next you know talking to anybody theres no point talking to anyone im not in the from the top of the im talking to you talking to the europeans will come to the russians look we will ask our hunger to do without the american outlook you know that were on our back where the americans you know you some day you know what they have to sit down with somebody i could not stop me some day you will and theres others that meeting with them because they you know once their doors for. The white house with them after the filter National Morality and hes right and this white house it was john statesman not Real Estate Agents they think but was thing my arm by blackmailing me by cutting hundred and forty four Million Dollars for me including hospitals and. The only Cancer Center i some part of the French Hospital but i think two hundred thirty Million Dollars of these poor palestinians and three hundred four Million Dollars from United Nations relief and works agency and they think they can i cant say instead mr Sill Jerusalem of course not. Superpowers look. Let me let me ask you this let me say one sometimes throughout history we seem powers and super powers come and go anyone who puts his ideology convection believe above his thoughts will doom us imam and president crumb look i have Six Hundred Twelve because of minutes when i summarize them im not only worried about palestinians and israel and what about you when youre right its far more about Latin America god whats her record im worried about the spanish waking up one morning finding Out Barcelona the capital of catalonia because The Price Is Right or the Caribbean Island will not or later South America you have to talk to him youve been heavily criticized for what some people have called a Scatter Gun Approach both to diplomacy and Decision Making but palestinian academics also now gone after what harding from Oxford University verified last year to what they said was a series of seemingly inconsistent and poorly thought out diplomatic moves thats your territory like what they call the convincing tract to dismantle the Palestinian Authority how many times has that been threatened write ups never happened look im so happy the pursuit of Desperate Confute Trial such as the french proposal in twenty sixteen for an International Peace conference youre still calling for an International Peace conference on the un auspices its not going to happen to me is it you know that im so happy that youre quoting my colleagues i was you know palestinians dont need to see with our eyes of a woman as in our cyber the recent roaring resentment for tongues you know that we can say anything about us we have full democracy really we will come on youre gonna make it will never come on to them it might later when we just cut your crack down on. We restart very much that when you talk about wilkerson we make mistakes but let me finish my point about the other point before you get me into the other one right. What im telling you no one benefits more from peace more than palestinians and no one stands to lose more in the absence of peace more that palestinians he spoke to at the last i dont care about why dont you and your factional divisions because they are killing your chance of peace and i agree with you and this is on me yeah its all i agree with youre right i dont do it we have year after year after year the same factual divisions with hamas with the other palestinian factions you cant do it you cant put aside your factional interests for the sake of the Palestinian People you know we have twenty six palestinian Political Parties and our only because things happen excuse look how massive the palestinian Political Party im not going to screw them all im dealing with them. We differ but once we know for its ballots and the bullets and they have to understand that i cannot have a Palestinian State without having one i thirty one gun under one flock everybody across europe but no but if youre out there on me you say or me to do it or not im not im not going to do it they have taken over guys of arms and could have thought theyd be getting themselves and all within us that we were in cairo asking to implement the agreement of some of them in Two Thousand And Seventeen and one very much specified that the National Consensus government we formed with them would come out stronger its responsibilities equally in the west bank and gaza and we got the ballots of iraq on board that theyd be on you and you blame them im not lonely and it doesnt im saying once in fact it doesnt go forward does it look youre not giving me a plan to take this fine and what do you. Put in a plan for them when i mean i came to brazil with his cabinet i think you were there to open a problem or parliament i was speaking about of the loyal opposition i said to him mr hanieh to you are no longer a Prime Minister of hamas you are my Prime Minister act as such without to be told that there is a possibility if you can book so were going to do exactly what were going to do when your president goes before the United Nations Security Council and he says i think if you help us you could help yourselves were trying to you have to sort out these factual disputes or so when its not just someone elses or is it just some us last months meeting of your Central Council the Democratic Front for the liberation of palestine they werent there the Popular Front For The Liberation Of Palestine they werent there either they didnt turn out if they were there because you were stalling cross the one thing about decisions thats true i was the accusation im the Secretary Rice moments of those men just falling apart i am your promise to my home is falling apart and i am the Secretary General of the p. L. O. In the front attends all the logs there Committee Meetings yesteryear. They decided not to come to the center of council but theres little i can stand guard on their lips i cannot stand guard of their actions or the total we are a full democracy the reasons they were caught that you can ask them why did the book of failure of the Palestinian National movement is just mention them and please stop listening i have seven grandchildren and believe me they will be much more nationalist and much more unified than me and your generation look at look at the latest polling in support of palestinian polling sixty two percent want your president to resign sixty seven percent of dissatisfied with the performance of the Palestinian Authority three quarters conditions as worse than before the Oslo Agreement there are so what if you were achieved feeling people do you know have my both my president one and wants to go to america he seeks a permission from the israeli consulate so what will you will we are you are not going to be hard look up with a view to want to put pressure but look at the World Bank Conditions look at the World Bank Report on the International Monetary fund report two thousand and fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen we have done with our very own but already we are crawling twenty years old. We have done in the last twenty years more than any country in the world in sixty three years thats the truth in terms of Building Institutions and talk resource have enough human rights they have a right you have enough they have the right this wrong going to go to elections i did not come and bring that does not come to be the president by a tank or by a creditor he came through elections he won by sixty one percent of the votes i won by fifty seven percent of the whats not man enough percent thats the fact that enough lets have a lasting years he. Said he wants to know what to elections and in a clearly is not going to run when you having elections when we have so we have elections without guess what would you settle were separating you to look at kind of assess what i guess you are calling for elections you promised and i need to find my people you personally probably not actually see what i did and im doing it now and i mean every inventions the judges are doing a fantastic job now president abbas one of the Prison System theres a go and you told him mr president you must specify the steps in accordance with the timelines and im willing to go along with it as long as we reach the ballots and not the bullets and you sorry you cant have elections until you unified whatever strategy you sought you were employing to make things better for your people its not working i mean garceau youve actually been helping to cause hardship you asked israel to cut electricity took us not because of iraq with hamas or a serious maestro you didnt ask them thats not true you did look i have it i have been overloaded wagon of complexities around you know why and how could the negotiations with me on twenty third of april Two Thousand And Fourteen. Because we signed the Shuttle Agreement with him us and he said to me that evening you choose peace between me or you or anyone how much of a come if thats been the then a question of ourselves i have an overloaded wagon of complexities im twenty years old i commit mistakes im a singer but i dont wake up in the morning i said today im going to commit the following mistakes youre scrambling meaning like god youre some underling of your question im under occupation i have a hundred and ninety six Million Dollars in monthly income after the americans got it under the sun every day together with our best my president perry who goes there monthly ninety six Million Dollars and spend one hundred millions on the web site i look at my capabilities ok your action has put Hospital Operations at risk water pumps the Sewage System huge why havent you squeeze them more how can we switch them im paying ninety six Million Dollars out of my budget fifty percent. What can i do i pay very thirsty for israel no water for israel and then they collect emasculates and they dont put it back in the Finance Ministry and when people protested in the streets in june about your action you were arrested dozens of them new Security Forces beat them up in custody and you told me of democratic you are well look if you want me to be perfect im not perfect it was very far from the pinnacle of those with luck. Using Human Resources you mentioned one demonstration is true some people were beaten up thats right but then Investigation Committee was formed believe after bubbling up but im going investigation i dont but how many actions like happened only basis in the west bank against abu mazen against myself how many every single day there is only one place on the arab world where the prosecutor president is a criticize and palestinian but i stand newspapers but as you said parties dont come and work cut and attack us look at everything. And then you are telling me that i am not. Using human rights and you say it is perfect and using up his post excuses what about the corruption the massive corruption which obviously was already well the latest polling in september shows that eighty percent believe that there is widespread corruption in the Palestinian Authority they cite nepotism Bribery Abuse Of Public Funds and lack of transparency you know your only plan the watchdog among the coalition for accountability and integrity has issued yet another blistering report about you for the year twenty seventeen saying that there is a lack of transparency to continue dysfunction of the Palestinian Legislative Council allows the Government Accountability number one. We have. An option you ask me what corruption in palestinian territories sometimes. You have corruption yes last year for palestinian ministers were in front of the court of course i. Think its the only time in history of our openness from a country. But to go on to separate this much thats too much a man has the right to review every think thats going to think every Single Member of granting me every year have to renew exactly whats our income where do we live would we come watch on and those who commit acts of corruption are put in front of a court. Thats happened and palestine. Really yes in turkey fifteen your former minister in the Palestinian Authority shockey. Resigned over corruption last year he said it was not permitted to carry out any useful action to reduce corruption not to corrupt officials he said were removed those suspected of corruption had their positions strengths and i know some kind of i know there are no shocker lisa has been in the opposition that would opposition and and he has a right to say whatever he wants any cancer of corruption any palestinian who claims from them are present our best down he has the right to know what our court and the corruption and submitted all right. What about the case of Palestinian Airlines this was singled out but why am i said the treasury last year continued payment of hundreds of salaries to employees in Palestinian Airlines there is of course no palestinian and once the company is not registered in accordance with the law there is no sense of responsibility how do you explain this hundreds of salaries when you have an airline that has flown what two years out of the last thirteen yes our four plans were destroyed by the israeli. And we have people who are working there are none of the hundreds of salary not hundreds its a big forte sorceress just second that the second we have a Pension System when you work for as many years i think twenty five years or baseline for two years out of the military they were before katrina they were before they were Two Thousand Five to two there was little or you can fly or we have we have something called. The president out of green bay where we have pilots we have people who went through in the plan for the military on ramps for salad not hundreds not hundreds you turn a real bomb got it wrong of course that you know of this case intimately look i know that every yes i know very intimately and i was a money go in there money up your money my nobody pockets and the money talk about it i mean yes im getting that done and we have this with a man by the way a man comes on submits very port to president Mahmoud Abbas and this is the case that you worry about a problem last time because my corruption my undemocratic im just one hundred patients i was woken up to qualify hamas and this and this and this is a real problem lets get lets go lets get on to the real problem because if you listen to doing it properly you actually which is the Human Rights Abuses Human Rights Watch which youve dealt with for many years has just produced this latest report compiled over two years which features credible reports of shocking Human Rights Abuses by u. S. Curity services you want to so many of us in the Animal Rights for space for a very first place their investigation One Hundred And Forty Seven years as you know computers as you know well. Shocking abuse they say that there are violations of International Humanitarian law contravene the legal obligations that you took when you signed up to Human Rights Treaties over the last five years. Torture extensively documented may amount to a crime against humanity and youre telling me your Democratic State we are you out torture on a daily basis and we are we are we out of the mcarthur all of the lawyers look the Human Rights Watch was a respected organization by the way in the newly elected executive the new law we formed a department for human rights we took very important very seriously the next morning the Prime Minister myself the mr Frontier Liberty we met and issued a statement taking into account a stunning every single word in this report and formed a committee to investigate every single matter branch see things coming other im not just saying this is your family acting the same thing you want us and if you think one day you will wake up and you find palestinians are void of mistakes when i was a single instance from you know not if you know twenty you can see i got the you know give me the same honest answer from you know this is the problem going on right now do you monitor a few things you know well the point is you know me very welcome and that you know and i know youve made excuses i mean not even in the end results are you im not you look i dont have any arms things cuban from feel my forehead. So every war they say and whats recorded and its going to be on t. V. And the only social thats going to be televised tomorrow so im responsible for every single word and you know my credibility you look if you believe in jericho a little trick on the house i was born and refuse even to rent an apartment at the expense of you live in jericho in the west bank some of the harshest treatment reported by detainees takes place in jericho at the joint Security Committee Detention Center joint Security Committee with whom. This is Human Rights Watch reporting destroyed Security Committee Detention Center officers forced prisoners into painful Stress Positions long stay. In Solitary Confinement a young man from the pallet a refugee camp said he was twice subjected to electric shocks and once had a court tied around his genitals so much for signing the convention against torture we are members of the convention is torture and you are a muslim speaker and you violate it on a regular day told your the hundred and forty seven cases for tweeners twenty four months are being investigated and each single one people who have committed atrocities will be held accountable thats my problem how many people have been held accountable how many how many so many how many how many you can tell me can any governor three find out what is going to get women when they are i come up to you numbers but i can tell you that Security Officials in certain areas were sacked fired they were demoted coming over nurse how many ive really come out and that will directly doesnt mean you know much of the meaning of a number i will give you the number i dont have it with me now. But many. Youre also cracking down on Freedom Of Speech as well how january last year your Security Forces detained forus job or a student from hebron about his participation in a book event organized by the Islamic Group at this university he had already been arrested five times on charges that turned out to be false you go after these people again and again and again he was taken to one occasion to the jericho Detention Center Well Officers alternated between kicking and beating him with a stick youre smiling and smiling me will smile about not because i live in jail and memory while i presume under young man and all of north people come at not my door at two am three am four am in the morning. And with me up and tell me im or some as there are no more daughter in there and so on and their goal you know its going on course im and then letting go and their fear im stubborn on behalf of the president and you have the Prime Minister cracked a q why arent times us why is this why his wife one happens we start with we had met we dont hide it we dont find excuses we dont like people people have their own lips and ears and eyes. But if you want me to be the perfect model for you im not perfect and she was showing to all this as we grow more in some cases and yes. Sometimes sometimes i cant because im amanda thirty im twenty three years old i cannot differentiate between freedom for expression and incitement. Sometimes i cannot buy i have to tell palestinians please dont smear dont talk about people because of their religion because of their color or because of their belongings because they have been here for. So sometimes we have people who attack others for their religion and so on a shame that this is what a future Palestinian State would look like the future Palestinian State would mean it would look Human Rights Abuses its got a rush going on now back down thats not going to get out of that Canal Stuff Future of the policy has settled with the future of democracy human rights from the right psychotically transparency and the only flaw this is my so very different from what you have now its that you know very thing you mention which six Million People in the west bank and gaza you mention hundred forty seven cases and put us much too much would be willing with each one of them separately giving them our attention thats often what we promise and we hope that this number were going to use them to use that word used we have to leave it there and so theyre ok thanks for the. Thanks thanks. Thanks. The but. The but. The but. The but. The but. The the. The but the food. The be. The be. 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