Because i want to welcome to conflict zone thank you tim thanks for having me have you all new president saying that he was inaugurated a new democracy this is a man who and thirty seven years has shown no inclination to promote democracy in any form whatsoever whats to suggest that hes going to change and i think. Thats a very correct. To say that he didnt show any inclination to promote democracy what are you talking about is a man that has been a speaker of parliament was short and even handedness in parliament for the template for the time he was one were talking here of a man that lost elections and was happy to accept the results therefore were talking of a man whos been individually named unsocial and by the first in two thousand and two when the European Council expressed serious concerns among about Human Rights Violations by the government of zimbabwe among two hundred seventy three other people absolutely collective responsibility yes Great Councils ban was extended in two thousand and four and two thousand and nine they accused him was the man god what as a member of the government of engaging in activities that seriously undermine democracy respect for human rights and the rule of law seriously undermine democracy that doesnt sound good for the future because it doesnt seem like thats thats your parlance which would have been a play to. It isnt but when it attempted were talking two hundred seventy three members of the establishment so youre basically saying that theres a mob an army there all of this mob and militia forces should because the top iraq war then well youre saying the bureaucrats youre saying the journalists that were there well i mean democracy you know how much does it make it already does it went along with the system doing its best to extinguish democracy now here now after you know or not it does not correct whats what so everybody else got it wrong you got it wrong the u. S. Which also sanctioned them got it wrong everybody got it wrong but they went in time you know you were so misunderstood was. Correct the point im making is yes they were a Human Rights Violations thats just goes without saying anything else when National Building but yes weve taken responsibility was weak went and put in place a new constitution well to say that any responsibility its all because nobodys been brought to justice but because our take was it was because of course because of constituent we have a new ad which is coming please of National Reconciliation with all these matters will be dealt with so we do already yes National Recognition of healing yes are they also going to deal with the most serious allegations made against mr monk which came in a two thousand and two un report to the Security Council it called him the key strategist of an elite group involved in illicit Diamond Trading if you read that book and i read the reports and that report is full of conjecture and innuendo early not facts whatsoever they were simply calling in the benjamin if you read into it in the memo for an investigation what investigation when you actually lose allegations whats allegations that you were the beginning of all of a goldmans of the records of the networks which he was a senior figure who made money through what he called a variety of criminal activities including theft embezzle meant diversion of public funds undervaluation of goods smuggling false invoicing nonpayment of taxes kickbacks to Public Officials and bright. If you had read that reports as you want to pretend you did you would not have returned or king of the returns you see but there is my solicitor there is no specific theres no specific allegation what is the reason is that when i was innocent and or tell you was the bad man it was the speaker of parliament or the betterment of the government of zimbabwe government of zimbabwe thats what the thats what the report says but there is Nothing Specific the nothing is because thats the gate it is not even worth investigating his opinion above the law or anyway so why in the eaves why but if they could not if they. Lost some damage or lost money to wonder why or allegedly this ship is for them to investigate whats there is a body investigate its not just mob and demos were talking about here is what. Came from the same democratic republic of congo only five i was in it so this is not the norm im saying sort of our responsibility is to use money to investigate things that happened in the congo when its the man in the congo if there was any money because of the accusations on when and where they are when im out in multiple operations the our many governments organise many governments so let them investigate mr miller do you expect zimbabweans never mind the International Community simply to gloss over all this instead of seeking a detailed accounting of what took place or dont you care or dont you simply dont care or dont you see there on the rose petals which are which mr man go away in the in the generals are being thrown i mean are being fitted with their been fitted with rose petals right now the u. S. Including the generals are talking about in all ways what in all of these things that youre talking about so it means robinson happily with the situation the people that have had these you are really you know were happy on the one you love it would be really good come on to that little bit lets talk about the Public Theater of the last ten days to talk about here mr mugabe wasnt pushed out in order to bring in democracy now the p. F. Had been perfectly happy trashing democracy for thirty five years the thing that brought change was the turbot realisation that this group. He was going to bring his wife into the top job and that would have upset all the vested interests in your country people who counted on. Coming in to protect their interests and their secret couldnt know that now could you not us we couldnt risk that not us of course what people cannot risk is somebody want people to be unstable in what appeared in behaved as terrible way to take over the controls of power in zimbabwe it would establish it would have destabilized the what country would have to submit to the region that was the consent thats not the view of didnt mess with her as a veteran of the liberation struggle he was close to mugabe for fifteen years he was quite clear the only intervened he said to save son p. S. Not the country and you also know it is a must not to know just because it is a member of the opposition who also has what vested interests in the vital role in the liberation the Surgeon General of the or something is wrong if he says the army forces in central europeans and the answer is not you know he says the amp forces are made up of zanu p. F. Members he said not democrats intent on our sharing in a pluralistic system not democrats intent on showing players success so in other words forget about democracy not just the same thing in other words for sounds because that is a bitter old man thats what im saying those are for going for democracy lets forget about what a member of the opposition would say organise and what it was they also go in saying that the new vehicle would have even at the swearing in ceremony there were people wont take a look at them because the president of botswana for one in karma he said it pretty clearly i dont see why i should wish him mugabe well if he cared nothing for his own people why should i care for him and then there were the crowds the booed the Police Commissioner general augusto ensuring the calls for him to step down using gave you talk about rose petals for everybody rose perhaps its all this im sure you didnt actually check the relationship between the peoples involvement and the Police Commissioner general the generals the rest of the army or the little. The city is secure secure kratz and the general in due. Why do you think the police were mental strength to stand up why are they wanted right now as im talking to your starting joint patrol patrols with the army because the police were not trusted by the people they were not trusted by the army they were not trusted by this and they were trusted by only president mugabe why because the person that was second in command of the police is his cousin and and the war point was that that president mr oh well what do you disturbing to many people young to be in your country there are plenty of signs that the new president is no different from the old one you take is warning about pluralism and political opposition those who oppose us will park and park he said they will continue to park but the zanu p. F. Train will roll on ruling and ruling while they bark again its all about the Party Nothing about the clash last thats a misinterpretation of what he actually thats a direct quote of what you say yes but i would tell you any course get taken out of his context he loses meaning you think this man is ever going to allow the barking dogs of the opposition to sweep him out of power you know we shall if they will not achieve if they win you what if they win you which is when you lose the backing of friends its not only about opposition its even included grace what you are simply saying is when im focused on something am or likely to train a locomotive every dog which runs around along saves the tracks can bark and back but the locomotive does not stop it all the locomotive is not a country p. F. As far as hes got other peers in the hour lou livia called for true force transformation within the country thirty years falls it has in some lessons for most of the very five years its trash we made mistakes trash democracy or trash not got it we didnt trust democrats but yes we made mistakes and yes we messed up the economy still actually asked or whatever whatever allowing you tell your. Very friendly guy youre a nice jovial sort of think of that for whatever line you tell you know full well that was the one gag was hostage to the brutality of the brutal record of zanu p. F. Using your theory this period as head of Central Intelligence in the mid 1980s coincided with the most brutal of all mugabes massacres the socalled cooler on the killings in which up to twenty thousand from the in the billy tribe were killed or disappeared hes denied any role but actually the state controlled by the way a chronicle reported at the time that he compared to citizens to bugs and cockroaches that had reached such an epidemic the government needed to bring in things get rid of the actual thing says words. I hear i had you now give me a chance to respond to you first the thing is were weighing in a very limited very formative years of our country mistakes were made and valid excuses massacre not the reality isnt it doesnt excuse him. Im simply saying women mistakes so thats an admission that many mistakes the number one number two during that period when you as mr security unique was coming to poland into account for its actions all the time with a very robust parliament at the time and really what isnt things usually street crimes this was because well parking offenses for which you know to quell pay a fine this was murder on a grand scale there were mistakes all its mistakes and there will be just understatement in history this is a moment not mistakes its not its a slow make mistakes the restylane made mistakes you know there were mass murderers this was mass we lost was really shit you know we lost a militia or not will last till we lost people we lost is about wins and. Paul u. K. I was from it so its unfortunate that it happened but in the formative years of any nation if you go back to the history of britain would find that there were pages there were people that date it does not it doesnt it doesnt clear people it doesnt make it any better but the fact still remains you know formative years of a nation things will happen which was about how well the dutch should not have happened first of all know what violence pumped into your partys d. N. A. And thats already been proved yet again in the last week the very day the new president was sworn in the former finance minister Ignatius Trumbo was hundred over to the police by the military who had beaten him up severely and while he was held in custody and he and to me actually were two somalis. Talking about him in these various vision told by himself in his testimony in chief he never said it wasnt he was a prisoner on the wrong you know he says he was tortured he was the they did it in the uk to destroy it is wrong because the actual person didnt allege and didnt he tell you they didnt beat him up no they just beat him up and he never you know in a sense actually of invest well you never say that he wont have this very hard to fight in court when by the Court Records isnt it when when somebody says a place and or even thats what would go back as oh are we making it up as his lawyer said it was a very brutal and to colonial way of dealing with a pose if when he says thats what i can accept very much so and i tweeted about it myself but this is not the way were to do things but so thank you suze the country that youve created a few weeks ago the man are you calling us that dont know about the man youre going to let me finish the man who is now president had to flee for his life a couple of weeks ago and it doesnt seem any less an unfortunate set of polling i get shoes when its not funny but i dont like your mum why dont i see any of the politicians had to free him i dont know i said i dont accept you calling him a compliment but i would say that it was it was unconventional it was wrong and shouldnt have happened in that way but when its time isnt it and you know right before you is not suited up isnt it time you came out in the midst of whats been going on in your country all these years apart from just. Trying to get out of it by calling it a few mistakes now and i mean it seems that people deserve Something Better than zanu p. F. Helping people really didnt know people deserve what they have what for exactly thats what thats what democracy about it is people choosing sunapee of then that is an opinion isnt it i am going to prescribe leaders was an officer for the peoples republic they have made a choice theyll make a choice in july also though make a choice again they choose not to be a thats what they deserve i put it to joyce migiro who was mugabes Vice President for ten years yeah yeah but under mugabe in zimbabwe became a byword for corruption murder atrocities and torture she didnt argue with that she didnt know she says a fact whats love again when you quote opposition. Will rule she has issues with him for ten years yeah but then Vice President but by then but then if you have any sense sorry for any of these mergers corruption atrocity lords torture option is there and its a problem there you go ive made and admission made us not to this kill you want to say things happened as i told you in one thousand into which and then within the one thousand into which shouldnt have happened there you go you love those understatements things happened no these were murders and massacres that carried out this was brutal brutal violence and you know it was they said so he said was things not happen when im saying i think you are playing it down well they want you know where your result they were told this way. There were dissidents one too there were torricelli actually kidnapped and killed there when they were somewhat tench of infrastructure there were elections violence especially around the police thousand and eight am i explain what i mean by things happened so the response to the response to that was disproportionately yes im not in that thats why im saying things happened because things happen on both sides and thats the phrase i. It would not raise the temperatures in the air to make it tensions in public you know generally locally i think what youre trying to do in january on the voice of america you were asked why your party hadnt been more successful in improving lives for the majority of zimbabwe three and a half decades. And you replied its a matter of time its not going to happen overnight of course yeah well end it and then you trying to tell me its nobody seventy years and you say its a matter of time see im not going to say i want another man i want people to spin saying this thirty seven years mundra theyve been hell they pretend but theres nothing good happened in zimbabwe when when who electrification went around when people when they were little educated people when schools were built when the provincial was because of referrals because were built when the university sort of the university and now weve got sixteen things positive things happening to the bubble now you know its not exactly nobody denies you ok so usually its nice your educational system wrought a truism and so its sort of wasted seven years but as for the economy you know the man i work on you certainly one of my one go yes when im sorry because i certainly set records but the one of the records you wanted under your policies grant with Management Information peaked around three thousand and eight two hundred thirty one million percent congratulations thank you very much to all that record but why because you the waste and the mind on call its the worst of all for well lets not talk about your staggering in the already incompetent the electorate is well ill give you that but lets not lets not dismiss there on the substance plate because the whole point was to bring down this moment economy and smugglers mob and government and its how it works to some extent but they want to do that end up in is the government also brought down. Marias nation now is running a world and fourteen percent industrial output is less than ten percent of g. D. P. Compared to twenty five percent or nine hundred nineteen nobodys under it in the world the one before the new president its a lot of work fast which he has to embark on right now thats why i say date i have to hit the ground running and the first talk of an official to make this admission when i was Vice President he went to china and he made admission of them but was twenty years behind in development and when somebody of that stature and that level makes that admission its a very important admission and because of that its not underwriting the trust before him there are plenty of signs that your public wants justice and these last few days plenty of zimbabweans have been speaking out because they feel theyre able to yeah i happen to know more after Small Business owner in harare he reacted pretty badly to the news that mugabe and his family have already secured immunity from prosecution he said why do people think that once a crook is out its now ok for them to keep their empire why even bother overthrowing them if were not going to reclaim money and assets could xyrem bad so many working one of the wealthy suburbs she said let them live peacefully in zimbabwe but they must find out how much they have if its a lot maybe take half forward months we told her one of your Party Officials mugabe should be prosecuted and sent to jail for a long time he said if i meet him one day ill give him a blow in the street he squandered my life lee hood you really think people are going to accept this is new to the issue a little in your thinking after the people but i can tell the. Question does not grant immunity post incumbent so president mugabe was immune to prosecution when he was in office now the new government will process this whole thing or has that immunity or Something Else because. Its only binding in this fight is the on would well and the gentleman the gentleman less is concerned hes already been told that he can keep this out since he. And his family and get at least ten million george mugabes principle they told the Times Newspaper last week that the expresident had been assured his assets were secured and which assets of us ok they own the largest landowners in the country they own a deadly two private schools they control the running of an unfinished nearly twenty five bedroom house in harare known as the blue roof along with the Second Property in the same city and thats three story home in the country yet they have a two point four million house in the sentence suburb of johannesburg an apartment in hong kong and a room and also to have property and in malaysia and singapore not bad actually uses not a natural number they dont think its all bad not bad but and no consultation on this shoddy little deal that allows him not actually doing the referendum be beyond the law what a precedent that says do you want to see ocracy did you did did did you really want a referendum on that or this thing was negotiated and it was about a celebrity they didnt care they didnt mind what it was they wanted one of their lives i think you dont have a democracy i dont know the talk of new democracy where you think well you know what is beyond also do you think democracy is bloodthirstiness and in the end of independence as well as a little bit its not if i took office yes what office of the us but not youre not the type of democracy where you would think well lets go back and read in iraq to the temperatures and oh yes i have any justice now on what you know what your definition of justice to it was a digital justice brought to account for massive fraud and for crimes and its now down antiwar and people are being brought to account who well youre using the lobby to raise the defense minister mcabee reza finance minister a few minutes ago what about the man who run the show while they met the man who ran the shop unfortunately well fortunately for you but zimbabwe did move on and we in india for the best solution we have a little more circumstance didnt we bring him with any surety that you know that the any if you have a referendum if you have a referendum on this i will tell you. Ninety percent of zimbabweans would endorse this deal the opposition m. D. C. Does and those who do so says cross unconstitutional you know yes well no not quite if you can see what was around the shop for a second challenge it isnt but the instance of having a Constitutional Court that would line judges private judges who can we can overturn it if its unconstitutional lets go but the whole point is the whole point of having institutions are independent and what you decide is independent grace were going to be she gets seventy five thousand dollars a year for life when we have this date yet you think thats fair everything you think you can have an opinion is wrong think she paid tax on that and you know exactly what you enjoy do you have a problem with people getting pension i didnt set support that isnt all those in the country where our appointment as we often see him are you telling him you know the employment problems you are and in your lives research our constitution because our constitution saying those things should happen when when the president is or his or in a Vice President s office if theres a victim it is one temp. Of the shoddy little deals how do you have a diversion from a question you know i dont im going to focus you said our poll it and that and thats what the off of the even of the president it took to uphold the constitution so where much of a shift of focus you say is one of the best in the world and will be rated very highly. If the elections take place next year yeah as there should you to do so your party can hardly campaign on its record killing thirty seven years of corruption thirty seven years of blood on its hands and now this deal this immunity deal presumably to buy mr mugabe silence because he has capabilities to when you take a lot of people what are you going to be on whether a very interesting flight should anyone vote for you give me one like you have one a very interesting feel to look at what you feel to it ive told you that were what more than sixty percent outreach and coverage in the pursuit of told me Everything Else that we have done ive told you about our Literacy Rate ill talk about those but also built with what a lot to campaign for i would have told we were resettled people will watch a lot of comedy and we have not human rights no human rights oh yeah weve done that doesnt mean we have a lets not yes were not we have we have a lot to improve on that twenty we have a lot to prove and this is a bill that you are going to see as the violence to you know the Vice President inducing us to ask if you if you will on both sides when she wasnt in d. C. On the cynical when she was in the m. D. C. She was passionate again by you because its unfortunate what a culture of very violent around us we want to do right and women did this violence during this period give us give give us some credit from the fed to from the fourteenth when the army doesnt after this point where we didnt use it as a vote against this bill was only one time that my one of you had thirty seven years of credit thanks very much for being uncovered so thank you for having me thank you. Going to be a good. Body in germany always has its finger on the answer good. Odds. The law. The law. The law the law. The law. The law. The law. The law. The law the law. The law the law the law. The law. The law the law. The law the law. Hes a doctor what kind of diseases can be obese from a reporter the risk implant is besides here and were going to solve some of the. 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