But you heard welcome to comfort zone thank you very much in november ninety ninety eight you told a meeting of your party if you know for all that you believe the United Ireland was irresistible you spoke way too soon to achieve what i thought that i said that november night and i did you were carried away by the moment well i think we i still believe United Ireland has happened. Just above would be certainly too strong a word to be to be using i think united are in a kind of happened over a long period assert certainly a current. Its certainly not something thats going to happen in the short term medium term in my view and i dont even agree wish people who believe that we should use de clause in the agreement to have a board a poll in the short term because it would be divisive wont be healthy for you said it was a dangerous game so anybody wants to play thats a dangerous game i certainly said and i still know what applied to the Irish Government at the moment would apply to anybody i think to push a board of poll into short term its not the result because i think i know what the result of bay we reject it but. It would be the tag and theres some anonymous city stuff the campaign would generate and everything around that would set things back. When were trying to get things to walk solid think it definitely is not the thing so why is the Irish Government pushing in the nationalists a pushing it well they want to exploit the the weakness of the power sharing agreement which collapsed over a year ago we had no exploits the uncertainties in the political drift thats going on at the moment pain are pushing edge and their line is that they will do it in the end a five year period that start. Line but i have to correct government are not doing it got bearish government are not portion of blue twenty sixteen you have the irish Prime Minister enda kenny saying to the e. U. Get ready for a United Ireland what was that if it wasnt massively provocative well i he if if if he said that his stated position is its a long term project i mean he certainly bode well then to get them ready for a united. Thats like saying you know your days are numbered i have to say if you put it that way its not what is normal. Position its his normal position hes not on my side but id have to defend him i think both leo brad care and and the kenny has. They believe united are into is a long term project the foreign minister got into some difficulties recently when he said what happened is like time but in fairness to him he switched to do you peak condemned as megaphone diplomacy im going. To get also with the normal life cycle of being there but why come out there are these things thats being. Needlessly provocative that you know i think i think the reason is that you know. People like you ask them the questions they ask them the questions are they in favor of a United Ireland are they not so much they know they know you certainly know how these answers are going to be you know what they say for every if you if you say if you say im not in favor of a United Ireland and i never want to see United Ireland that causes disappointment from the us so i think i dont criticize politicians for saying that they believe the aspiration is for united are i think all of us would like to see that but i dont i do not think id have to defend the present i dont think i can present government who taking the view that they think we should have a short term part of poll and a short term you know you had the current irish Prime Minister saying he understood the certain statements by the nationalists being seen as disrespectful intrusive or interfering as he put it this was not our intention he said we have no hidden agenda have you ever met a politician bertie ahern who didnt have a hidden agenda not too many. But i think you know in the circumstances of Northern Ireland where were they begin situations for fifteen months and i think the primary issue for us to do now is learned. This position to try and get the institutions back up and running i think thats what both governments have video and i think its what all the power to should be doing. And i think a cool ass if you like shin feigns where you get the kind of rhetoric from gerry adams the full Mission Family does and i believe the British Government has no right to be in ireland never had any right to be in ireland and never will have any right to be and thats going back to the battle it isnt is what happened theres i was on a t. V. Program together day with some of the extreme unionists. And they were. Almost question the rights of gerry adams to be in order and so im afraid that it doesnt help. It and that kind of language doesnt help and i decide but in fairness you have to door a lot of had people in both the unionist and nationalists and this week weve had the loyalists issuing a very positive statement at trying to move away from violence trying to move out not to move away from vines but move away from criminality and the old sort of Freedom Fighters to go to the Fence Association or read time commanders so there are people on all sides trying hard to at to build peace build relationships woodsman or what were. Some some and i dont think youd argue with opportunistically using bricks it to try and on pick the union out that well you get the latent attempt to do just that. There are youre certainly right and out there are british politicians tory british politicians who have all the empty and big time like on patterson and others but im talking about here tonight im going to talk im talking about the people who are causing problems and what they are theyre being very very unhelpful in trying to say that the good friday agreement is not meaningful anymore it is not useful at that it is creating difficulties and that if it wasnt there wed have an easier back but its not just the tory paul thats you know its lazy trimble the foremost do you believe its what you thats me its mainly dettori politicians and it is then responded to i think you have to understand who started this. Tory relations british authorities politicians on. The unit one thing that would provoke loyalist paramilitary is the present Irish Government saying silly things about the border and the constitution and david terms a good friend of mine but who. Izzie hes a member of the tory party he left the altar Unionist Party and joined the tory party so im afraid youve made my case does that mutual a lie just just be very like a just because these are sort of does that you know you just made my case is that i deny the right of him statement no he doesnt but doesnt make it wrong im just quoting back and unafraid and afraid to walk into a sorry i dont want to do i mean if you walk into it you said that there are other politicians but the very politician you quoted was an author yunus politician thats how to pronounce that harkened im saying what im saying if you want if you want an argument ill give it to you and i win so i just want to tell you that what we need is current good had politicians to try to make the good friday agreement work and what im saying to you is that tory politicians who are using breakfast because you asked the question are creation the difficulty those of us im not a politician a longer but those of us who are trying to keep things calm and keeping saying are saying today that is the wrong thing to do we must Work Together to get a solution that makes work if thats what the british want and thats what they voted for and we septa but you have it isnt cool and and and clever to keep harking on about the fact that fifty six percent of Northern Ireland voted to remain in the you and if they would only unite with ireland their membership of the e. U. Would be assured is it cool and clever to keep on with this delight at the parliaments vote last year to give Northern Ireland special e. U. Status this is sheer hypocrisy from from the Irish Government. And im sorry the the British Parliament did not follow last year to give special. Time to them of the. Last year only you part. Parliament are not the negotiators as you know and its time i was delighted to have been quoted we dont like to the. Data told we went to like what were delighted with is that the european negotiators are saying doubt and the border in ireland would be if a few to supplant each so and were delighted which everybody has said that he had to do so the tories have said that the government has the time the e. U. Has said i think i was government said so so why me into this disaster it doesnt have to be done no no if you and others seem to delight in warning that this is the end of the work politics that taken the light at all i mean i guess im just worried for the british people i think of the british people stay in the course of union it solves the british problem lots of solve the irish problem i cant understand why the British Public would want to. Support because im hearing and i think people like ken clarke and former you know. Foreign leader of the tory summit that day they have made sense of both issues start to stand closer viewing is the right thing to do and i think in the end it wont be called the close in june and i think theresa may will probably try to maneuver a party to stay in the close of union as well or somewhere in the earth but you seem to blow hot and cold on this issue because one moment you say take the reason mayor to would you told the irish times last november shes confidently said she doesnt want to physical border the you dont want a physical border Irish Government dont and then you say in a recent interview youve got to play hardball with the brits now what different thing oh i actually like no ill explain to you why theresa may said on the fifteenth of december. He was quite happy to have a backstop would make sure there was no border. Less than three months later she said no british Prime Minister could agree backstop to ten to fifteen to december so meant to praise somebody for taking a different position in ten weeks if theresa may is consistent i would be a first supporter but. Washington last month saying the u. K. Remain committed to protecting north south cooperation and to its guarantee of avoiding a hard but what he said the last yeah well i mean lets see if they stick to that but if they stick to a consistent position which we do in ireland then i think you understand better than most weve had eight hundred years of british mis room that we dont trust them very well and we never did weve got to good friday agreement which we want to implement as so when the British GovernmentSay Something we like to see it dont we dont go around. After eight hundred years very easy so what happened to all the fine talk over the last couple of weeks about the trust surrounding the good friday agreement and all the northsouth institutional bodies and all this youre saying theres no trust that we dont have the institutions open roman you know integration twenty years we know you sign an agreement dont pave the way for we dont have now were not the last waiting now and that and thats and thats why were raising all this trust back and not on the mistrust is back but we have a time we. Had a hundred years of misrule eight hundred years of bad mis rules are. Out of ireland no no were not going to get the brits out have argued that we bang that drum not set so i mean what you need to do is spend some more time in our information understand its i mean we we want to say. That works for us if it works for britain as well thats fine. To see bodies to walk well we want to see the east west relationship work well i think its a pity and thats what we were loose the contact we presently have with british politicians after the twenty ninth of march next and weve had very good relationships with british politicians for forty five years and your when britain leaves the yeah but that ends unfortunately when when they leave to you we wont have that regular contact of of every week and every month debating them now i think if we get the institutions back up and running again we can use the intergovernmental conference of the good friday agreement to actually do that and i think theres a solution in good friday agreement. To deal with he u. K. Been noted he you and i think that will work for both of us but you heard looking back over the good friday process the problem as being more reconciliation and peace as a little that would come into peace in the minute been a lack of political will among the politicians to make reconciliation work im thinking of education out of more than eleven hundred schools in the with another just sixty five to grade yes its very upsetting because theres a very small proportion very very very small proportion there hasnt been the will on either side i think to reconcile it daily with some communities they have made enormous progress in order areas very little progress integrated education is certainly one of those problems theres no doubt about that and you have to blame the politicians who were put into power by the good friday. No no its the politicians dont decide what schools children go to parents decide to pop schools children go but they can either push integration they all when they dont furnace and lot of politicians are trying to do that but a parents decides to follow the nomination of grounds and politicians cant force them but in that hall last month commissioned by the integrated. Education fund people blamed political leaders for doing little or nothing to bring about integrated education nearly eighty percent they wanted crossed community merges of schools but they blamed politicians and incidentally the churches as well for holding up the process but you know its not my job tighter to defend politicians in the north or the churches both if people. If people want to force. People into into a great education i could take this example of if i was to force the large more Muslim Population now in dublin to join or push integration education would you and others be saying to that. You know so we can choose for if youre working with a particular history and you go out with your current force and its because of that history i would like to see more integrated education i think would certainly help with had future generations but you cant force parents to pull away from what they like and want to convert but where you can promote it and my point is you know i think there is that weve been promoting it look at look at housing look at social housing for instance ninety percent of social Housing Estates are still single identity single religion but in fairness to politicians on all sides they are trying hard to do that they are and i do try to get the peace walls the socalled peace walls down the barriers between i part of the catholic communities you know well that i mean there are third more of them than there were times the good friday agreement affectively open and people are moving cross but back and forward i have too much difficulty i think the politicians in the north would would certainly improve the situation if there were working together indian situations to promote more reconciliation theres no doubt about that does no doubt about that but they can only be done in the context of border nine and ten its history and the. In the divided society it can only be done on slowly and in the meantime i think we have to very much support and promote the kind of peace programs and Cross Border Cross Community programs that hard there are many politicians in the north working very hard with communities and i have been in the shanksville where ive and the falls for ive seen catholic kids play the lamb bag ive seen protestant kids play the fiddle. Ive seen them trying to promote whoring so there are lots of people you know trying trying to do these things are not taken so youre not fast enough no are they concerned enough about the violence because if you look at the ten years to april twenty sixth there were eleven hundred bombings and shootings almost eight hundred socalled punishment attacks and four thousand people who were pushed out of their homes. In Northern Ireland when in the ten years to april twenty sixth not often. These are figures compiled from belfast detailed data website and while theres hardly any part of some Police Prison or court not a record its hardly been a bombing theres hardly been a bombing in Northern Ireland since to go home a bombing last year according to the Police Service of Northern Ireland one hundred one shootings and beatings up from just sixty four. But most adults have not been political theres been more people i give you one for you know concerned about the noise or no i tell you theres been a feud between two gangs in dublin in the last three years more people have been killed in that than an order nine in the last fifteen years. The figures the Bombing Campaign in order not only was the last significant bombing or a very very very little political shootings in order in ireland and the third is still criminality but im afraid to criminality is what happens in every city. Criminality and on the political solution but as far as Political Violence in order in ireland little or no on or has been has been that on the shootings and beatings are ok now the shootings and beatings are happening everywhere i mean shooting them and i was watching the television go today and the crisis to huge crisis and moment now but we know about whether you know again it is in particular like theres less crying minora denial and. Practice practically and you complacent about nice not to paste in the towel but i have to say youre figures are from cloud cuckoo land well these are figures as i said in the. Detail data webs and that must mean late at night when they gave them but i mean there is little or no shootings in Northern Ireland and little or no there is criminal activity criminal activity which which were always worried about we have that in this city here where we are you and i see it and theres been about ten borders in the line and the last two years arrive just around this area has nothing to do Political Violence its to do with criminals and drugs. Bertie ahern in that in the years since the good friday agreement your own fortunes have been mixed in two thousand and twelve you resigned from your party after a Public Inquiry said you lied about the source of substantial sums of money that youve received you said you can clear your name did you clearly and yes i did im quite happy i cleared my name because the tribunal never reversed its decision no of me to tribunals the tribunal gave its views at a tribunal gave its because if you want truthful now they gave they gave the views and i gave my evidence and i gave my evidence and i i was very happy with my evidence and i was very happy with the situation not saying any more about that issue ive dealt with it comprehends finance minister without i dont count i have dealt with all those they feel comprehensive they are not dealing with them again youre somebody who wants to come back maybe as president these are issues that are youre probably going to be for another day that day for another day for a senior politician who was always to avoid not only impropriety but the appearance ive given him i dont like talk of views and im here to and im not going to add to them let me talk about the the crash the economic crash yes the tribunals and you can i just for you and i just explain for a minute. 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