Go to healthy repair, hootons invasion . The systems earn a dollars, so on partners hub delivered, had ordered him, made a huge difference. So this is one, the reasons why russia has not been able to gain the air, is superior to control over their airspace over ukraine, as potent issues veiled nuclear threats. How strong as natos deterrence today, and how well as a position to confront Security Threats of the future, including those posed by china, ah, secretary general suttonberg, welcome to conflicts own language more families are in the past week. Ukrainian cities far from the front lines including the capitol. Keith had been waking up to deadly russian air strikes, which appear to be targeting infrastructure in civilian areas. What do you think put names to achieve with these strikes . I think the aim is to reduce the termination of the ukrainian people to stand up against the brutal or russian invasion of the country. But i think he will fail. She has failed in all the all the attempts in trying to take control of your claim. Since the invasion in, in february this demonstrates the brutality of the war. It demonstrates how we see civilian casualties and i will so critical distributive infrastructure is attacked on it. Just also highlights the importance of natal. I need to highlight some partners so that we continue to provide support to that. And last week natal members committed to send more air Defense Systems and other aid to ukraine. Do you think the new systems will be enough to stop the onslaught of russian attacks with long range weapons including drove i think that the systems we are not providing are making a huge difference. And that will, that made the difference in shooting down a lot of the rush miss ours jones, but also we will make even more difference in, in the future. Because allies are now stepping off. We have germany has just delivered and you very advanced mode. Done Defense Systems, but im doing the natal defense minister all last week. We had several allies tonight that states and those holders and im seeing more systems, but also more ammunition. Im surprised to existing systems and this is making a difference. So the ukraines are able to shoot down many of the incoming, the sides. On drums, you say that theyll make a difference in the future. What does the future mean to you . Because president s lensky says, 30 percent of ukraines power stations have been destroyed in these attacks. The concern is winter is quickly approaching. People could struggle to heat their homes. How quickly can the systems get there, especially given . And youve admitted this, there are production shortages on the west. Well, the systems ne darlise partners have delivered have all of them made a huge difference. So this is one of the reasons why russia has not been able to gain the air superiority control over the aerospace over ukraine. And that has been a big disadvantage for the troops dropped the operation day. They expected that they were going to take control of days based have not been able to take control of the space over ukraine. This is of course, 1st and foremost because of the skills that im a nation of the crating on forces using the different systems that will do how old soviet types of air defense. What need to allies have done is that we have provided im in the ship to those old systems and then we are also bringing new systems under. The next example is the, is the germans, is system demonstrating a german is not actually being important to keep it is to, to, to ukraine, and they will make them even more difference in the, in the future renters combing was also the main message from the defense municipal, so we need to ramp up support also everything from winter coding generators, tense so we can help ensure that you can, you can operate through into lets talk a little bit more about the urgency for action and id like to turn to the battlefield. Now, ukraine, as we all know, has been recapturing territory on the front lines in the east and in the south. But there are some reports including today. The troops in the dunbar region had flowed almost to a halt. Rushing reinforcements. Meantime, have rushed the front line, attempting to break the cranes momentum. How critical do you see this moment right now . Not in the future. Right now for ukraines counter offensive as the colder months settle in. Some wars are by nature unpredictable, and of course there are still a lot of Russian Forces capabilities in ukraine and they have what you have seen of the last 2 weeks and days is actually the, the most serious escalation of the conflict. Since the invasion in february, because if you put together the mobilization on the forces, theyre not able to send to the front with the partial with the illegal immigration of ukrainian territory and the Dangerous Nuclear rhetoric, all of dr sense, the biggest escalation since the war. So again, we need to just step up our support. And of course this support has proven extremely important because this also enabled ukrainians to 1st push the russians out of the area around kia and then hold to the russian offensive in dont boss. And then launch a counter offensive where they have been able to regain me, take a lot of territory in the boss and also push against the Russian Forces in the salt in cars on the ground and say they need more tanks in order to push forward. Were sitting here today, were speaking from the berlin Foreign Policy forum, germany, a nato member, is facing criticism for not sending heavy military equipment to ukraine, including leper to battle tanks from your point of view. Should germany provide the tanks to ukraine . Now . Germany, hans provided an on this providing a lot of essential equipment to ukraine with advanced Defense Systems and older advanced weapons and also ammunition and the old allies her provided as similar types of support on all of us. It was a product Armored Vehicles and also a lot of extremely important to different types of support to, to do mister secretary general, i would just like to underscore the urgency that way you have been hearing and id like to mentioned a quote, for example from, from lot is defense, mr. And im going to read it out to you. Now, he says, if germany would give to ukraine, proportionately what we have given. So you crane this war would be over. Does germany and other larger e you states need to do more now . We all need to do more now, and thats also the message from the defense ministers when they met last week. And we also saw significant new announcements about more surprise. Then we have to realize that so far, what we have done is to mostly provide surprise, surprise for support ukraine by depleting our existing stocks at some states. We cannot continue to do so. So now we need also to ramp up production. And thats also also the other message from the nato. The defense been said was that we now engaged bike with the industry to be able to replenish our existing stocks. Obama nations or coping capabilities. So we can part of both or pulled our own. The turns on the fence, but also continue to provide the support to ukraine. I want to talk a little bit more about the ramp up of production and the fact that that is a whole right now. But, but 1st put and says that he will use and im quoting here, all weapon systems available to defend territory. This is being seen as a thinly veiled nuclear threat. This week, nato is conducting routine nuclear drills. Rushes annual exercises are usually taking place late in october. How high is your concern right now that the russian drills could be used to put Nuclear Weapons on hiler . We are very closely moment saying what they are doing on the v. R. Vigilant and of course in special in when they now are going to conduct a new exercise. Having said that, the, the risk of any Nuclear Attack against the use of Nuclear Weapons against ukraine is low about of course, the potential impact the consequence is so big. So this is a risk we have to takes you to stay. I would do so by conveying clearly to russia that there would be some bad consequences for shot if they use a Nuclear Weapon in ukraine. And also reminding russia of that the nuclear war cannot be one must never be fault. And we of course, stay be just a moment or closer to what they do so far. We havent seen any changes in the nuclear posture, nuclear redness, but so this is on to constantly. Im on the car and especially when they now conduct a new crisis. But given the attack on the car street bridge and occupied crimea and early october and ukraines recent retaking of territory in the country, south and east. Do you think personally that a humiliated pollutant is more likely to lash out at this time . Ill be careful speculating about the different risks under different scenarios. We need to be prepared for all events relative and thats exactly what the are not the same time. We cannot be intimidated or, or suffer or, or accept blackmailing from russia. Because i think that these Nuclear Rhetoric and the threats we have seen from rash on the aim is of course, to course, also to black, but also to stop the providing support ukraine. But if we do that, then, then the piston pitching will win in ukraine. And if he winced in ukraine, that will send the very dangerous message to all to the talent leaders. That when they use military force in the way violating muscle law, they will achieve their goals that will make us more vulnerable. It will make the world more dangerous and therefore it yesterday disks with all options and this conflict. But i think the risk of electing president putin when its much higher than to continue to support that ukraine. As we do you, anita, members, you have emphasize and them coding here. Russia must understand that nuclear war can never be won and must never be thought. Do you have any assurances that that message is being heard by putting yes, because it does been communicated so many times from a don allies from alls and not to states and older. And it was that processes, Nuclear Weapons and from the whole alliance. And actually this is also something georgia has subscribed to. So, so, so, so, so this is a well known message youve warned of severe consequences such as we will never go into the exact away. We will respond partly because that will depend so much on the kind of attack, the circumstances, the context, but also because we will never give a potential adversary the privilege on knowing exactly how we will respond. They know it will be severe consequences and we have repeated up message several times over the last weeks. But do all 30 nato allies agree on what the response would be . All dollars agree on the seriousness of any use of Nuclear Weapons. And this has been clearly conveyed from me, from also many of the nato allies. Second, i think we need to distinguish between the use of weapons of mass destruction or Nuclear Weapon in ukraine. And the attack on the nato ally attack on. And they do all, i will of course, trigger article, fire, collect a defense schools on to ensure that there is no room for miscalculation for misunderstanding. And well go about that. We have increased on inter presence in eastern port lines, increase the redness over and forces to make sure that an attack on the needs all i will, of course, triggered a response on the lines and would do that not to provoke a conflict, but to prevent the conflict to preserve peace, and thats what i meant to the same as it was done for more than 70 years. Faced a nuclear or a challenge from here, from moscow allied emitter, marietta says that he thinks nate, the nato military alliance would not risk a nuclear war and directly enter the ukraine war. Even if moscow struck ukraine with Nuclear Weapons. If the right he is not dried because what we have stated clearly is that there will be severe consequences, but were not aligned out or, or, or gone into detail what kind of consequences they will be. And of course, we have many ways to respond, and thats exactly what we have communicated while you warn though moscow severe consequences. French president manuel. Malcolm says that french, a French Nuclear response to russia using its own atomic arsenal against ukraine or the region is off. The table that statement wasnt very helpful for your deterrence, was it but we have different ways of reacting and doesnt have to be any use of Nuclear Weapons. What we have stated again and again, is that the circumstances in which nathan would consider the use of Nuclear Weapon remains very remote. But that doesnt take away the possibility of a natal to respond on a wallace to respond if there is use of Nuclear Weapon by russia against ukraine. And again, if theres any attack against the need to ally, well, the whole alarms on article 5 and collective defense schools. And the purpose of that is to prevent that from happening. Russia says that western states support of ukraine. Youve mentioned what natal members are sending to ukraine, help make them a direct party to the conflict with needle members supplying the majority of support isnt going to be difficult for members to not be seen as a direct party. How are you telling me that we are no point to the conflict, meet, meaning that we dont have forces on the ground. We dont participate in the, in the, in the, in the fighting. But what we do is that we provide support to ukraine. Ukraine has the right for self defense. This is right which is enshrined in the treaty. Every nation has the right to defend themselves against a war over aggression and brutal attack as seen against ukraine. And its all laws are helping ukraine to pull the drawing for self defense, but that those make us popped into the com. Id like to ask you about nato enlargement, and in particular, ukrainian president followed the miracle lensky announced a bid for fast track a membership of nato. He pointed to the examples of finland and sweden. Will you agree to fast track natos bit in the next 12 months . Is something new that the ukraine has, the emission of joining nato. Natal position remains unchanged, natal store is open. We have demonstrated that the last year is with the North Macedonia hamilton with those with finn and, and, and then of course, we also strongly committed the message of every nation as not to choose on policy, including of course, ukraine. At the end of the day. It will be for the 38. 00 on ukraine to this are the membership rational doesnt have in the se, in, in that our main focus now is, is on ensuring that ukraine winced the war. And therefore, all our focuses on providing support to brain. But the question is, do you personally support data ukraines application for fast track membership . I personally stand by the decisions we have made, which is on, on saying that natal story remains open and that crane one day will be a member of, of, of the lines. But the, but the short term, the priority now is, is on providing support to ukraine, to enable them to make more gains on the battlefield. And then to ensure that we can end the war in a way that ensures that ukraine remains some of the independent nation in europe. Thats a precondition for any discussion about the emotion you have though. And i just like to quote you here, you have supported finland and sweden sped. You came out and you said, this would be a historic moment. Why do you dodge clearly answering whether or not you support ukraine in a fast track . But because i strongly believe that ukraine is in a different position done in an uncertain or opinions with our long term partners over over night. We have a consensus in the lines on inviting them to become members. We made that decision out the summit in madrid in, in may well to see in ukraine is a war going on. And the topic is therefore to provide military support ukraine us. We do as many as well as partners and this mentors for it is unprecedented. And really helped the ukrainians to now make gains on the battlefield. Of course, the victors on the battlefield is something that belongs to the brave ukrainian soldiers. But without the support from the followers, they would not been able to make these gains and, and to push the russian invading forces back us. Oh, so you know, last weeks, but if we look back in 2008, nato pledge that ukraine would eventually become an alliance member. Ukraine of course, has us on paper. Didnt need to give false hope. See ukraine all those years ago. Know as a, this is still the ambition of the, the alliance, but the focus has been since 2008 on the reforms on the Capacity Building on the, on supporting ukraine in moving towards nate to membership. So also know that you members have been working with ukraine moving towards membership. But of course, since 2014, we have been in a situation where russia hoss next to chrome ya on the controlled eastern part of all dont boss. So the main focus has then been to provide military support to grain and nato allies, especially United States that the kingdom, canada have trained and equipped the continent forces. Not since february, but since 2014. And i am sure that you couldnt on forces are much bigger, much better train the much, but the lead. What if its a quick northern 2014 and this is making huge difference on the battlefield, us or speak. Lets turn briefly to your strategic concept and to future threats at the Chinese CommunistParty Congress president , shes paying said the china with use, and im quoting here, all necessary measures to secure taiwan is the next conflict for native with china. Taiwan is all that need to members, so ill click to defend schools doesnt apply for taiwan. But what we see is the secretary general, how responded if time were to invade taiwan . How would nato respond . Im not going to outline exactly. I need to respond. What we have stated clearly, and thats for the 1st time in our strategic concept, is that the right . So china, not the strongest security. And its as a challenge for our values, for our interests, for our security. And that is the course. China is not investing heavily in you more than many take a big, long range massage Nuclear Weapons. We see how they dont share our values and the weather cracked on on them. Graphic invoices, forces in hong kong. Them. I know it is the views and also how they coerce countries in the region. So all of this makes it important for us to address, right. So china not, but obviously the china, china is important also to engage with. And therefore, we are both addressing the security challenges, but also the need to engage with china to do. And i met recently with chinese for ms. And that was my main message for him. The head of the British Cyber intelligence agency. He put it this way, he describes the Security Threat posed by russia as affecting the weather. Well, chinas affects the climate. What do you think there is to be learned from allies support of ukraine against the russian invasion . Should china moved to invade or, or t illegally . Annex territory thats oldest unacceptable. Dot dot the country trying to grab a line from another country. And thats the reason why we have reacted so strongly against the russian invasion of ukraine. Because this is the biggest land grab since the 2nd world war world war in, in the, in europe. And also why we convey to, to, to china. Of course, they should be able to at least condemn the illegal war of russia against ukraine. And also one of the reasons why we support ukrainians is to send the message to all older author, terry and leaders that we dont accept this kind of behavior. And lets also asking you said last week that when we look at the situation in ukraine, that allies have had to dip into their own arsenals in order to send supplies. There were needle members too complacent because if you look just at the 1st half of the year, only 9 members were spending 2 percent of g d, p or more on defense. Now, it seems to be a bit of a scramble in order to, you know, get stockpiles and increase production capacities. And its coming a mid hard economic times. Can it stay a priority . I have, we have pushed for more defense investments across the lines for many years. And of course we would like to see even more different spending. Having said that, what you have seen since 2014 is the biggest reinforcement on need to collect a defense. Since the end of the cold war, uncontrolled through 14. 00 for cutting defense spending since 2014 all night long was have increased the phone spending with hundreds of millions of extra us dollars. And we have increased little so forces for the 1st time in history. We have back groups in east and potter lines and all of this will triggered by the russian annexation of crimea and under control over eastern don boss. So we were actually prepared when the innovation happened in february. We actually wanted to gayden state since last fall shared intelligence, depicting exactly the russian plans to invade ukraine. On the day of the invasion, we activated the defense funds on for that increased meter pistons in these briefly before we go, secretary general must put and go for there to be a resolution and ukraine. Yes or no . Yeah, i will not. But then you will force me to, to, given the yes or no answer to that. What we will do is that we will respond to the actions of rachada gorda. So whos in charge there . And we will continue to call them to end this war. It was present that started this war and its put that trust and putting an end this war to morrow. Why you join us forces. We have to remember that if president putin, russia stop. So i think there will be peace, the stresses, lensky and ukraine stop. So i think ukraine will cease to exist as in the plantation. I dont want that top, and thats exactly why we provide support to great nato secretary general yen stone part. Thank you very much for joining us on conflicts out. Thank you for your time. With ah, with ah, she was buried from 9000. Hes the little girl archaeologists found in the jordanian stone age village. 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