But thats normal and welcome to conflicts thank you thank you for having me its a pleasure to be here you have what amounts to a failed uprising in venezuela behind you and your Movement Continues to make. Incredibly optimistic predictions about how the seating would go but why is that because the situation is unsustainable we have 18700000. 00 venice ones have lost 25. 00 pounds over the last year thats the beginning of a major famine you have been saying its unsustainable for the last 2 years up youve been saying its unsustainable becomes increasingly and becomes increasingly unsustainable and you know you said you said the other day that in 2 weeks. The mites who are going to mowing very very well there were no injuries on the like this is still there and the president maduro is still in his palace with these armed forces as well with some of his armed forces i mean the head of his Intelligence Agency is now safely ensconced in the air well its one. Youve got plenty more now though no no really i mean they are negotiating behind his back there are negotiations going on right now and they are looking to to to get out and the situation is just a set of the sounds of the it will run out in the next year but in the middle of the last few days we had one guy go insisting that he had the backing of 80 to 85 percent of the Venezuelan Military based on war because based on the fact that they are suffering as well they are going home to wives who tell them that their work is a humiliation to children that are crying and hungry 80 to 85 percent of the military are the worker bees of the military they are not reaping the 8800000000. 00 of Drug Trafficking and gold trafficking that has nothing to say about there on your side nothing to do is absolutely transparent on the you are ailed you failed to bring the military on time and somehow on the contrary the problem is that we have cuban Intelligence Officers preventing them. Following their children and preventing preventing them from rising up and we have over 200 military being tortured there have been over a 12 or 241 way those committed excuse me before. One way or took office there were over 12 military uprising attempts by the military spontaneously your latest attempt was described by the crisis group as poorly conceived and easily subdued thats hardly a success is it the point is that people want change they inquired or is it real im sure they dont necessarily want you. On me im not there on the moon as your movement i am an ambassador for the movement i think that they do they want out from this drug cartel regime that tortures people it is causing a bigger existence syria this is not violates its own cause not a huge its not a big accidents and soon as this elusive least 12000000 people we take into account those whove been 12000000 people its about 5000000 go a lot of that dont you have to get on the jury im talking about internally displaced more we will have a viable year on year by the end of the year and 8400000 by the end of next year that far out thats exactly about thats where the demands of the usa are going to have it should go that is are going to u. N. H. C. R. The oas the u. N. H. C. R. Isnt exactly you know a bastion of right wing ness now is it apparently your biggest mistake last month was to trust the word of the government officials you were talking to. Drug traffickers human rights you knew those anyway so why is there such a big surprise that you were plagued by them why why began just very took you for fools student the other no if they took us for fools i mean we would hope that the that the positioning of color in defense of the people come in the fence of the constitution and accept and misty and be part of the right side of history would appeal to them i fortunately i think that we are the ones who are going to mean what it is that the people behind best and i was not personally involved i am an ambassador i am not the president i am the chain of command flows down to mean. Upwards the people who were behind stairs and took the decisions i think you know did. A bit naive about the amount of money being made by the military and their Drug Trafficking activities theres another psychological component which you will know well from game theory for instance as youre trying to negotiate a situation you have all these different players and what you know what you know but you dont know what the other person knows about what you know so basically we dont we suspect is just very dark clouds are very aware of Christmas Day i know there are some lions and began oh yeah you know cat got to this is a competitive and you may see it as a lemon and you made a number of important mistakes but the people who pay for those mistakes of the people they know according to the u. N. In just 8 days from january the 21st to the 29th where the protests began to write more than a 1000 people were detained many of them were just kids most of them were kept incommunicado for days without access to family so using their reasoning to ashley continue to starve we have 330000 venice when cars have been murdered you have very soon and by government sponsored look at their lives or groups 380000 have been murdered by government sponsored gangs 70000000. And the best you found when you are you can see how young they really are fully conceived and easily what they are just what are you what are you recommending military use are you advocating a military intervention im not here to answer your questions you come here around so why do you sit here and say im asking you when i will read lying here at what point do you know edging the people to come out because youre putting more lives in the water than what all the other options than what do you recommend that attend what happened on april 30th and may 1st is in keeping with the constitution that was drafted by tavis and i and you are trying to do that and it didnt work when. People trust you know why should people come out to mr karzai because while they know because now they know how how the regime is fractured that deal stahl ok your and by they know your best and that i saw me now has an arrest warrant he is the hezbollah bad mad they also say those issues raised your best gloss you know why is it about one price this group says you dont know most of america is that the only View Congress or American HistoryNational Crisis no that momentary to our loss or marrow described venezuelan politics now as shaken he said the people were confused wounded and motivated i suppose ours are going to fail as a result of what we have done rather than 20 years of dictatorship and starvation and torture im sorry that has dashed now you know and we stand despite the fact that since then 28 percent of the National Assembly has been you know it has been arrested and our Vice President is now disappear disappear in the classic latin american sense of the as and taken with no proof of life given and the rodeo insists that in the last few days that we asked for the rights of all people and i am not a war and i just asked the question sure he has insisted in the last few days there is absolute unity in the opposition thats pretty hard to believe what do you mean the Washington Post reports you dont move the 5th that some of the opposition Senior Leaders have become playing the blame game over what were growing so its unlikely that you know what you know how you saw these injuries when they won the prosecution is absolutely across all Political Parties the National Assembly has members that have been that have been now exiled since may for us or have been disappear or across all political criminality just what you want them of your decision to venezuela has then the president carried on for years no critically no idea who it is now im sorry im sorry what has happened is this after many years of the International Community they may not say you can. Got your act together and you need to unify we have unified we have a president according to our constitution called one way the law every single party is behind him my appointment for instance was approved by every single Political Party in the National Assembly by new unity hang on ironically what has happened is now that we are unified the International Community has structure now you have the Montevideo Initiative the International Contact group the lima Group Conversations and have anna and conversations now all over the place and the irony is that thats the ultimate hypocrisy is that the International Community ok and then sound like a bunch of squabbling children say at the time when we have our act together since when that time that you trails of my people since when have you discovered this newfound unity because by november last year the failure in trying to fight the fights. By november last year the fights were so bad but Luis Salamanca political scientist former director of the National Electoral council such a handout is a show that you know is valuable really kind of destroyed january tattoo strong january tat 29000 is when i suddenly came together really yes of course under one by the way he became the de facto president of venezuela because mother would always in violation of our constitution we unified behind our constitution and not everybody seemed very happy with the way you took the presidency what do you mean yes 100. 1 of the people visited all with. One of the most visible opposition figures with why do it took possession of the assembly the view of the majority of the venezuelan opposition was that ought not to be appointed president the 23rd of january 1 idea presented as a sideline to many of the house and the ins and i just finished and i just saw the 23rd of january came and he appointed himself we didnt have any information it surprised many leaders in the opposition echo. Only lives are his wages are you guys let us all in politics for a long time for good reason hes a 2 time loser president ial candidate and with that he does not have the support of the venezuelan people one by the or so his views are only automatically to be dismissed because they dont coincide with now they dont go inside with the will of the venezuelan people who want out from this regime he is not the leader of a Political Party he is not even really involved in the Political Party anymore and he fled the country and came in under dubious circumstances i mean if thats the pope is thats the one person you choose when you have millions of people weeping in the streets for why they all and c and he and i visited the country and you can see him when he went on the tour the end of the diaspora and you know in this room knows us and there are duros still in the president ial palace and you people trying to find protection of the origins of president im going to read these in the president ial palace because that the Russian Military the international lath thinks that its perfectly fine ok for the russians to invade us basically and have military advisors us talk about the military and have the other end have military advisors in cuban intelligence talked about the military has stood up and led the elana Foreign Terrorist Organization which personally intimidated time on camera just kinos i dont know that on any stop the uprising mourns the hows your same way the not seen as that is a lie we dont need speeches i want to talk about the military im going to talk about the fact that it was reported that one credo said he would probably accept a u. S. Military intervention if the United States proposed it you have been talking to the u. S. Military your movement has been talking to the us my counterpart at matching to strategic. Planning let me correct you if there are factually my counterpart in washington d. C. Vecchio will speak to them on monday that conversation has not happened yet so youre pretty serious about this military intervention but im not serious well have a commander in chief what are my. Our president that is his decision to make he says hes already been talking about strategic and operational planning with the head of the u. S. Southern command he ordered qatar spectator have that conversation and that conversation has been scheduled and announced on twitter by Carlos Vecchio my counterpart in washington d. C. For monday such a move would also split the International Community again you say its so split anyway so youre not bothered about that European Union says it doesnt want military intervention the lima group says doesnt want military intervention you dont care what they think about this we are looking at all the options were also involved in conversations and negotiations to find a pacific peaceful solution a peaceful resolution the offer is now and has always been on the table for them to leave the country peacefully on the plane get out take their ill gotten gains take their ill gotten 502800 1000000000. 00 that they have stolen ok take some portion of that and leave and that has to get back to democracy and that the 85 to 90 percent of people in venice whether who want to mother would go out to carry on with their lives leverage of the economy are in the many many hours this you so you can get on the plane to the country yes so no justice and the accountability there will be simple who have been murdering and tortured they just got off scot free how forgiving do you think the venezuelan people are that a show be after what you say has been done to them well murdering the torturing more that is a force that is obviously set up and. There are letters that go on down there the document you can download the document its called plan base and its in there we have a plan for Transitional Justice its in our governments plan for Transitional Justice and the truth and Reconciliation Commission which happens after you have regime change and you know this because ive done this this has happened a number of times before so we will follow the International Standard on that really the fact is these offers of amnesty may well be illegal under International Law and might well run counter to venezuelas international globalization. In january Human Rights Watch called on you to amend your amnesty bill saying that any amnesty guaranteeing impunity by absolving government and military officials of the most serious Human Rights Violations thats incompatible with venezuela thats correct when turned out no obligation thats correct our ambassador to czechoslovakia is actually the one who brought the case to the i. C. C. So the major human rights lawyer tomorrow so who so you dont have the slightest knowledge of these. And theres a this sounds on what the how the how the internet we will take direction from the International Criminal court on how crimes against humanity crimes people who commit crimes against humanity is very different case and go into a different basket there are people who are guilty of Money Laundering drug tunnel through my mind and youre talking about people who murder who torture who forced disappearances yourselves of lyoto mandating youre saying let the whole lot get out you know we are saying we want to use it in this no nation when you are on the get your facts wrong really yes your facts are wrong so when our president president president has a distinguished that he has clearly stated everybody has stated it at least 20 times 10 that anybody who is not guilty of crimes against humanity can be offered amnesty those who are guilty of crimes against humanity do not at mysti period and thats in keeping with International Law so im not sure where youre getting a fact is about the 3rd or 4th time in this interview youre wrong so why if im so wrong why have all of the human rights organizations got onto your case and said this is something you shouldnt be doing i was right gonzales on whats in their minds i can only speak to the fact they were i didnt hear these words either i dont know but i think you can go on you can go online and find them one this week whats extraordinary also is that not only are you offering amnesty to some of the military and government personnel but you apparently offered to give them a place in Transitional Government lets think about. For move just that has now you know not how a lot of forgiving do you think those words will be that is something that will be announced and what the madness for the people in want for and what form where are you going to be it will be put to them it will be put to them and Transitional Government is not a permanent government and you know how transitions to democracy are always complicated hard choices oh ways have to be made but again we look at the 330000 people the government has murdered with gangs we look at the 18700000 people on their way to a major famine 7000000 of whom are are in danger imminent danger of dying and or in imminent danger and in mr justice humanitarian aid so just humanitarian care is aid is being is our side of this regime who is shooting people for carrying out this if you are by the time those disputing you say that are you telling me then the justice becomes no transition comes 1st those who come to realize the error of their ways and come to love our people and their country and the constitution will have that credited to them even if there is no government even if they do the military being if they will not use crimes well that is something yes that is wrong as we get the regime transferred back to the country transitioned babbage and. What do you mean i am absolutely certain we need this dictatorship drug cartel gone so that my country going to be more is self a gag any pros theyre not theyre not a government they do not have any friends they were have that is they have a gun they have the guns and we need the guns for territorial control as well we are also invaded by Foreign Terrorist Organizations theyre also bombing our allies and our neighbors there have been 2 terrorist attacks by the un you and i 12 years i mean literally and you might well call in the u. S. Military to do the. And there are very many militaries who would be out of the Colombian Military has asked for permission to come in and kill the terrorists you can trust donald trump taking that theyre just on or try this is without donald wait wait a minute wait a make no mistake here im taking on your amazing irish walking about asking the u. S. Military to come in if the u. S. Military 1st of all your own have not worked with the military the u. S. Military is not donald trump 2nd of all as you saw there was a tremendous in chief of the u. S. Military hes the commander in history of islander in chief of the military security but you trust me that all of that does not thats a relevant and i really i guess of course im not here to comment on venice or the u. S. Politics im here to comment on my country you wont comment on the commander in chief of the military that you may ask to come i am not outraged and i have not been able to understand your movement. And i have not commented on it no. That is not mike in that i am not commenting on i am not a representative of the u. S. Government i am a representative of the why the government period im here to discuss my country and the blood on the hands of the model dictatorship which is actually the worlds biggest drug cartel importing drugs live t. V. Said better already we now know that high in the full talks have taken place in norway silently not direct talks correct mediated by norway whats happened in these talks. Oh not much is the answer is the short answer to that so what how theyve been totally unproductive yet they were totally unproductive there were an initial outreach so because the group the International Contact group in the us that you. Love to comment on were all the other ones too well its one way that were aware that nor you know and the un also again not a bastion of right wing nuts. You know were aware of these talks and we sent representatives from why the government the mother sent. 2 representatives they didnt authorize together they did not speak to each other they did not have breakfast together thank you so my and the point once the joy of managed was with the norwegian oarfish holes to state their position and under what conditions they would negotiate we stated so thats the next step so we stated we were very clear and my president has been very clear and he has stated it once again online yesterday whats the next step that we will enter into any we will enter into a good faith negotiations that entails and of those 3 step plan we have laid forward since january general setting creation of the system of these tools of course the assent is essential condition of course there are conditions to talks or conditions to any talks you buy a house there are conditions its a little different well of course thats right there are 30000000 lives at stake so oh yes if there are conditions for your purchase of a house or your does sir youll get a valid say. 1000000 youre going to lay down 3 conditions which the other side is going to refuse helpful is that we have now we the other side is the one that never met its conditions the model regime is the one who said it does not want to elections we are not blocking free and Fair Elections the mother or regime has and the mother had a regime is the one that has extended talks in the past what has happened is one that we have had dialogues and we had the dialogues according to they chose the place they chose the. Timing they chose their representatives they kept our political leaders imprisoned and we set it free the Political Prisoners know free and they just carried on and in the meantime they have stolen more money is even more of these tortured more peat is it a precondition of these talks that mothers are not doing step with her at absolutely and what makes you think that theyre going to do that for you because you think because they were negotiating to get him out already there has been a great others are saying you. Know they werent they are convinced they are serious yes absolutely i know for a fact they were up. I that i can all this goes on there but i know for a fact that they have been negotiating actively with us and also with other countries to find a way to take them there are countries that have said that they will take them to these talks are quite advanced you think you can deal with it takes all this really take what hold it in the negotiations that may actually no illusion no way of saying it all when you have 30000000 People Living under a dictatorship using various models or sour a more very vicious all conditions could do since the key can do anything other than end of the usurpation Transitional Government which is to be negotiated and free and Fair Elections with proper International Observation i dont see how thats a winner take all as for my country is dying under the under the guy gaze of a fractured and conflicted International Community that has just watched my people die and be tortured and done nothing about here International Community is going to want weibo recognition these i mean i got it from inside the country that you know he absolutely does have it from inside the country said people on the streets us that the same thing isnt what it what do you expect that people on the streets is power people on the streets its love. People on the streets is support people on the streets is an expression i mean because the problem and they do and they are in the crowd im pro ice our future and it can come and go well it has certainly won for mother would have didnt it and it will thats right because he he wont get out of the way and he had a you know he was there under a fraud he is there as a torturer he is there is someone who did not want president as i read that he is still there and why are we out so it and are we going to sign our duty now we are not on the outside we are in the hearts of the venice well and people we all and with that legitimacy of the of all the western democracies all the demaio all the countries that are liberal democracies that have rule over all recognize our constitution and they recognize the legitimacy of one by the all that we are in a situation where a drug cartel has taken all the levers of power by the way doesnt mean youre going to succeed is younger than does a side doesnt mean youre going to see you die trying we have no option but to fight for our people i will fight for my people until i draw my last breath and thats a little thanks very much thank you and he. 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