Of the rich story, a few created may seem to clear. And what about the confusion of a policy on china present . A macro says taiwan, isnt your business your of us Foreign Policy chief says it really is whatever happens to unity in the European Union. So obviously i was welcome to cover that. So thank you. Lets talk 1st about the war and ukraine. If we may, for the past few months, has been very Little Movement on the battlefields of ukraine. The west, you included, has given large amounts of aid weapons, but clearly not enough to move the war into us. Direction. Is the danger now that you are beginning to normalize a stalemate is very clear that the on the sides, your determined to do everything to football, to create a specialist return. And youre absolutely right. Its a very tricky also to stop. All the force to do isnt lost by russia. We decided to provide community to recruit. But this, the 1st time in your opinion is history that you took such a decision. And since then together we have a partner as our allies across the world. We provide submitted to support to create we provide financial means to create we help to print or support the my 3 sites. Its not enough to move though is, is you, i just one of the example a few weeks ago we, to the decision to, to Work Together you members to, to produce a munition because we feel that is needed to strengthen our Defense Industrial business in order to speed up and youre absolutely right that its important to do every scene to, to accelerate effort. This is really important that the, uh, the ukrainians made the shows to, to is this the extremely true interest. And its a tragedy for them. And its what i would do to iris basically is everything returned, you know, that to assist to, to support them. And of course the, theyre not, theyre not impressed with the relationship with the you at the moment you cranes 5 minutes to meet you calais. But as complained bitterly that the youth was failing to intimate its own decision on the munition to purchase a munition for the country. Because Member States were arguing over which supplies they should actually extend since and sign the contract. And since that statement made by them, so for the fact we had their chosen to clarify with the printer authorities and you know, the through the waste we are, we are entrenched intact teresa prisons and winston and was the ukraine authorities. And i can, we assure you that the, the know that we all, we label friends and reliable thoughts. And they also know that this is that the magic bullet we do, and we seem to speed up taking significant political decisions. This is very clear that theres a strong positive choice on this and you side to, to, to, to, to be active. You know, support through quickbooks that weve added to that we still imagine bullet faces. We need to make sure that we reproduce more munition in the weeks and months to come. Mr. Clip, as deputy andre melnick says that wolf fatigue among you members is now the biggest challenge for his country. Theres a feeling he said that now the tank issue has been settled. People can put their feet up. A lot of them still dont understand that the war is far from over the sea, right . To worry about war 50 in the you know, it is very clear that we moved to independence. I was citizens across the u. A. What 60 it is, the future of the European Union, the future of our citizens, our security, our prosperity. But not sure if you looked at the situation a few months ago, im absolutely convinced that the putting circulation was the will for to why the inputs simply change for the European Union to stick to death to be united. And were putting into criminals by surprise because we are able to stick together. We are able to have the support of Public Opinion across the working and we were a but we have been able to to, to, to, to, to, to stick together with our northern america allies. And the other part, the supposed to do say that, but your phone policy chief, you as a barrel said recently fortune and maintaining a you unity against russians. Invasion has not always been easy. Some states complained others disagree, but in the end we maintain the unity. So youve papered over the cracks, what, what could open those cracks up again, this is, this is very clear that you need to it, we try this a lot of effort. But the fax, all the facts we should be able for instance, a to function were shot. You remember that the a lot is been search on the summaries of, of uh, pardon me jason. On the new side, we took the decisions all together on 10 packages of sanctions and we are implementing these positions. So essentially, we got work in order to get to be like the International Community on the International Stage where i work in Research Efforts within the fastest we split. And then maybe we can, you know, the to explain to odd you as a, to try to print things. And sometimes you have to have the last one. Sanctions come, i just is, you know, make a point to you. But youre still using vast quantities of russian oil supplied mainly by laundromat countries. These are countries that loan the, the oil for most go and sell it on to you. China, india, turkey. You a single pool. Do you know about this . Have a switch. Look what mines, what was the russian or what, twice, what was the situation a few minutes ago and a few minutes ago we were on the european so rude, a dependent on the Russian Force in fuchs, and only in a few minutes, we succeeded to take this is in order to reduce our dependencies and the doors to and those dependencies on the rest of the world on russian fussing shows. This is why they were codes. This is what we call you. Why didnt you close this loop . Does this, does this what we are doing while working today . We hoffman the, to close all the different loopholes with please, would you prefer the European Union . Nothing to position for during to the supply of Energy Resources for our business, for our hostile, what do you prefer . The collapse of the European Union . I suppose that theres not what so you are advocating for, and thats why we need to be was unable to be rushing an intermediate term. And if exactly what we are doing on the one hand, we do not through our long term strategy, we want to more Renewable Energy on the new side. We want, we want to more independents in terms of the Energy Policy on the new site and also to make sure that we defend our Economic Business and the traditions the social situation of our citizens. You mentioned the risk of will for teens and you are right. These are important to look into the, to avoid being victim of sexual risk is free one to 2 to support the photo citizens. If its important to demonstrate that you are working, you know, the or so to overcome the energy challenges, for instance. Yeah. But if you want to do something about wall fatigue, isnt it time for a clear explanation of the new strategic objectives for ukraine and russians . Plenty of generalized promises weve heard from you. You told ukraine in february. The European Union will support you in every way we come, for as long as it takes you cannot, you cannot just ask the question. For as long as what takes what exactly does this promise mean . This is very clear. And the way you are often depression is interesting because so it show that im not exactly sure the windshield approach in our approach is nothing new which has to which makes it easy to, to decide when it to but you made the promise. Please please let me hear different features and try some your question. I will, i will answer. We split on your question, we should have the ukrainians. They have the responsibility just as a silver intern 3 to decide when and the way in which elements in the, you know, the to, to assist. When does each time to, to, to, to, to open a new, a new chapter. And thats why we all support industries for me, the developed and proposed by president s and they see. And its why the also supporting the side deal to have an, an international piece assignment, you know, the 2 different ukrainian position in spite by what we believe in the move to the, to an older, the boost international older. The thing we told you that integrity and solving to of, to different the of, of nations because the, what is the you scared of russia . You said in february, were not intimidated and will not be intimidated by the kremlin because ukraine and the u. R. Family. But the truth is, the west is very much intimidated by russia, is that the only reason for not giving kids the weapons ones is your fear of escalation with ad and perhaps of new care conflict. And it needs to be treated. Remember, at the beginning of the will launched by russia. This whats important for us on the one hand, to support your crew. On the other hand, not to be pots electronic, you know, the 212 volt, and then we surface transition. And then its very clear to the example of the Nuclear Weapons that we are in the sun when we induce china, for instance. Another 2 tons is domestic tribute to china. Intrude into to be very fun and very clear. The news and even the threats of Nuclear Weapons is not responsible. And we need to do every, since you know that to me show it to not to be used when we supposed to hear technicians in separation, for instance, another to prevent any resurface tradition. It shows that you are serious, we are responsible and again, the ukrainians. Uh, people in the new fitness of services, they know exactly what we are doing to know that to help them to assist with most of the year into this war, which may well define europes Security Architecture for generations to come. And were still not sure what the use objectives. Uh so. So what is the big plan . Because what scenario do you envisage it total frozen conflict . After all the killing and destruction of these 2 countries, im not going to just shake hands and be friends of a what, what, whats the big plan for if this for when this will finally comes to the plan and the promise of erecting interest is situated and prosperity and then the situation seems to me easy, easy to think and difficult to implement. You absolutely right. But this also what we do to in what we have been doing a full this is a across that you worked in 20 minutes. But it is very, very clear that the what we face a treasure that 1st for the youre creating people. So dont you test an impact on the fit you retain the prosperity to across the europe . And thats why i strongly believe you can watch me towards the strategist to a ton of, of the what can i send it to this turn . 50 is showing. That is really important to us in 3 different this trans 1st Energy Energy independence dont need to explain a lot to why just so we can put and this is obviously it was that the 22nd point you were in defense together. We need to, we can natal, but this is very clear and we are, i think the 2 or 3 bits in the fast under direction. So when some members through decides to reduce the investments in defense, we can see today we meet said 32 tours. We need to try to attempt to diligence his needs between smoke trojan nation, the repeating level and for 3 innovation, it shouldnt be driving to, to persevere within these, all the 3, the 3 major pillows. And we have a vision. Why . Because we found that the future of ukraine and was over, is we send you, this is a very clear message. We just have a clear plan for the future of the printer, the tenant and, wow, presidency. Lensky is not getting all the weapons he wants, but what if you can stop losing . This was the contingency plan for that. What if russia against the old starts winning more battles on the ground occupying further territory . What if you wake up and its too late to get, get to create the weapons, it needs a russian victory. It cannot be an option. And thats why we support new create. And i havent distorted to you have your own impression about what we are doing. I can guarantee you with it or them industries old and you were to lead us. They know what to say when youre starting. You will not let a russia we are you. Are you making that drum . This is for. Were clear it is what youre making that from. This is very clear that you do have, we think, you know, the terms are intended to return yet a severance in to me to feel free. You can either victoria feel free to indicate however long. Now we take it now, however long it takes that as long as it takes and i can, we change, we picked it to several times and this treatment expressed by 27 hit this test i can tell you, i will never forget to test a very emotional moment the 1st Virtual Meeting weve been doing a few hours of to start with the force and vision. The 27 you need us were around the same table. We spend simpson bus repeating virtually in the to me since i came to the office office. We image it says the seriousness, the importance of the moment, and the twice on in a few hours. Were going to be able to take from them into this in, in terms of support for you. Quinn infections against russia. Youve spoken by from to ready to put in over the course of the last year. If you have to pick one concrete result from the conversation from the discussion, what would it be that when a headphone processing off to the start of the forest here like very stopped the point where you had to do it. Those photos we had to choose and to, to focus on some human to and shows you sent, i sent you an example of one color creatures. Obviously this is a, this is very important to know some shumate through agencies. Uh, the request for instance. And whats interesting categories, disorganization to make sure that they would have access to some territories. You know, the to provide some support settings example the district of prisoners uh, very tricky after the start of the thoughts started through some International Agencies on the sort of present. These are 2 examples. And in point 3 i, i think its very important also uh to, to, to advocate because even when do we, so that was the principal. And this is why we are so committed to mature, to deal with different ability. There is no place we trinity, are you in the come to says we shouldnt humiliate missed the boot is on that was that i would use because this is very clear that the put in is fine to emulate a bit you thought of the was talking research the ukraines and you said you dont have much sympathy with mr. Michaels i, i just wanna talk to you, we send you stuff back home, but i wouldnt as use to this. So this, this was what, this very what is very clear. This is very important. Also, transistors, the west of the world. This is really important because we have our own vision and we, we, we have a very strong tooth. We have a fairly to incur Pretty Simple as that you need to, to, to the st. And the sofa of the eruption union, the murder, thats why the corporation, what this one thing was, it was important also transistors, effort out between disrespecting and every time between different and defense. If you change in the, in other words, you know, just move others in order to come to the russian food in full force, not rotation and what, what are we rushing narratives as well . Exactly what just the rep and the 2nd we tend to try going on because i really like to move on to trying to. Because badging has been awarded a lot of face time by european leaders. You yourself met sheets and thing. Last year i was struck by your comment on the meeting when you said that both the e, when china have an interest in the rules based world with the un charter at its cool. It really given chinas illegal expansion in the South China Sea of the massive Human Rights Violations taking place inside the country. Its clear theyre not working from the same you enroll book as you are. So why suggest as a common approach to a rules based . Well, when they clearly, when they truly is a for the 1st the 1st i, i strongly believe the move to thats what i post. I strongly believe in the the wind shop is this one my question, but i, we, i saw your question makes it and point to so that im looking at it. We know we can observe that china would like to set the international ruth and ruth the toilet would that wouldnt be inspired by the same value that you have on the new site for, for, for, for instance, nursing 3 points, you know, relationship. We start with china 1st, we will be always really fun in predicting defending the human rights and the democratic principles. And it is very clear and systematic. When i had to turn into told was a change of thirtys i system. I complete the diffusion to, to, to, to explain our, our convictions on those questions. Point 1. 2. I suppose the conditions that you need to, we balance the internet relationship between china and the you appear in the union. And this is, this is the idea to the rich relationship free. So yeah, but you said you flex it, them with the tools, the thing that they, what youre interested in the say rules paid out. Well, this is nice. What does this not serious to you . Is this uh well, just nothing. I just nothing how i am i can just reach out to you. So try that info. 3. Uh this for ya. Serious on the new side. Uh, on the time of change. Yes sir. Are you still on some of the sit with the challenges we need to, to, to try it out. We need 3 different to try it out. It doesnt need the to you agree on the all the stuff to 3. So try not lets to, to kind of change, for instance, is really important to try to convince china to be much more active, to put in place a Carbon Pricing returns. And for instance, lets fix tobys name. Lets stick to the 19 and, and sizes. So if we want to address those changes the future, we need to talk with them and we saw the transition to us. Look, id like to come back to the issue of human rights which, which you stressed. You didnt please everyone on your trip. 10 major human Rights Groups are in the sense that youve reopened what they called the meaningless human rights dialogues, with badging, which was suspended in 2019 after they use sanctioned chinese officials involved in human rights. Violations. Fed up points by those groups, isnt it . Because the tops so far have changed nothing and will continue to change. And i think you agree to talk about your agrees and talk about human rights. And they agreed to a little how would that good discussion of that . I would like to us, your trash do feel that the issue, whats the inverse sort of thing for you . Whats a Center Community from research on those tokens. We want to achieve some sense of some of the terms of the to with the chief notions. And its like its very important to reduce and for instance, im very pro i am engaged without i was, im very proud. Im very proud. Its after the meeting we had to expansion in december. Weve been able to, we launch disagreement wise delettre was being because of the kids and for us to advocate to mentioned turn concrete changes and to try to, to different whitley different assume that the human rights of printing thought and the democratic trends without the results and you have without any results. I, i fully disagree your friend. If i follow your post, it means that uh we would be more efficient by us into a here in brussel we saw the condition. Of course it fixed the time of quote is difficult. I am not seeing that we are delivering to any one meet or anyone from but time can visit if you do not induce activity, southern to treatment, nothing is when we induce we open the door in order to do ever since then hes just very brief. Are you the human Rights Groups of 10 major human Rights Groups . Dont agree with you a total. They say having a human rights dialogue with china cannot seriously being and in itself, they want to tell the high adult a local real human rights progress, including in st. Johns into banks, what do i do instead of this of those things. So if i dont have it, isnt it exactly what youre doing with the system . Its china. We are, this isnt we saw the in terms of an old discretion. Yeah. But can you point to a single aspect of human rights in china that these talks have altered for the better in the past . Can you send stories 19 those tours with which on hold and we succeeded. We launch uh those before before. Yeah. But the thing started 19, it was a, a b, but put on own and towards the end we are doing. We are doing a political space, a 4th to develop 2 industries though. So was this. So it was a century on all the top is the 3rd is to be discussed and evaluated. By the way, before my trip to china i, i had to have chosen to meet me. We present that to you. So those to me in wifes to organizations and, and it was really important didnt for me to listen to them. And so he was also an arguments that the, that the shed earlier to see a china played host to from since president macro, who took a bunch of business with businessman with him to sign tre deals. And then decided to open up a risk between europe and the us over taiwan. The great risk your faces, he said, is, gets caught up and crises that on ours, which prevents it from building it strategic or to be, isnt it . The heights of irresponsibility to highlight divisions with your most important ally, america at a time when both russia and china have joined forces to it, road human rights and the rule of law. To talk to us that there is a very clear, erect in position a life in United States is very strong and in very we are both for the 16 of the 2 point one and point 2 on tie one. Theres also a very clear your work in position. We do the exit to defend, to you, to, to change in any like to either way the state to scroll up in that one story. Its important point one. Uh and we, which are nice, the one china policy, this is the traditional direction policy and nothing to do is change which we do when your Foreign Policy chief shows that the public a slap down. Unless you micro, by say you members should actually deploy more ships to patrol the Taiwan Strait in order to deter page things, aggression. How youre going to sort out these differences of opinion on china within the, you know, to do Different Things 1st. And its a proposal to me by us that people have to be the responsibility of the Member States to just as the still continues the, the, the responsibility to your, for just a bit behind to put some proposals on the table to point to one. Were not going to get some important point to this of the 2 of those and the instructions are wed like to continue. Depression situation would show the process so really insightful that the, for that the region. But let me tell you that im aware that in depression and media, especially in the recent diesel, always that there was an impression of a huge divisions, a on the european side, on china under the impression trying to real know this with the reality. I always tell you because i think i know to be taught the sensitivity is in the, in the dont see the, i cant, i cant tilting that. In fact we got much more conversions and then we transfer them to, to the, for the winter. Weve induced a democrat to do that we have in europe, in the, in the, in 2 weeks to come. We, we have the occasion to, to clarify, into the coming position of china. We went ahead in june is my responsibility to put a token to agenda. Either your pin tell field. This is a bit on, on china we, we are preparing the booth at the new serial level. Was a different, the state older our office and we thought was processed. We have a life. Let me ask you just one specific question, cuz were running out of time. Whats the use plan . If china invites tie one, whats the time you, you, the plan is to do a, we seem to convince china not to it looks interesting. Yeah. But if you file what it says, yes. Okay, what does this, does this plan . Does this been in plenty . Uh, i was talking us, we talked on the eruption of sort of everything responsibility to do what in any, in any case, what do you remember the, the weights and just for the start of the war against russia, we worked in choose to condition it was all with partners in order to assess what to want to be a reactions and we were, we really do the same and we are doing the same type of problem and it didnt prevent the nation. Yeah, yeah. Because in fact youre absolutely right. 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