To the ground. We want them to come to our, to get on our ground is better clear to states on the board of that as of 6 or 7. The through before means we have been engaged in negotiations for set to 3 years. Unfortunately, negotiations did not materialize in an input conflict. We are now saying we need a different, a serious, but a dime shift from adults into those are the ocean, the United States, europe. Does that, or can i use the state to body stein on the board that as of 6 or 7 . And by this time would be admitted as a independence over on the states as a member of the united nation, even before the war in gaza. And october 7th, the vast majority of palestinians, so that Armed Struggle is the most effective means of ending the is really occupation. Weve been talking a lot about to go home. See here, were here with the munich security conference, but this sentiment among palestinians. Does it worry you . But as soon as they want to solution, we tried almost like going from the same substance, right . The frustrated of course, not only frustrated, but as soon as im hungry, but as soon as the 1st visit, but a scene is on a spot of being that out of 9000. 00. But as soon as our in presence then out of thousands of feet from it is, it is somebody that has edited 6000. 00 palestinians since october, 7th, and to day to day we have 9000. 00, but a scene has insulated the president s and human dated the impossible conditions, so therefore, the only frustrate that frustrated the hungry that but as the nose they need and the provision ive definitely seen as they need to look free. This is what, where you and the for us, the vision you and im go to you and talking to you and you end to violence. That is how you end up. Hopefully, by giving people to the right is not by looking at was about the things we need to look at the roots of the issue, not only of the symptoms of visual, that is what im the, whats of the problem for there. But as soon as its in over to a patient, that is the name of the game Health Center in 5 minutes or mohammed attire issued i thank you so much for your time. Thank you for joining us on conflicts on here from from the next security to continue our conversation. Now with our panel, we are joined by city live, nice former foreign minister of israel. Thank you for your time. And most of it is going to be joining us in just a moment. The foreign minister of jordan, we are joined by jose manuel of the display. No for a minister of spain. And melanie usually foreign minister of canada. A welcome to all of you. Thank you for your time and as we wait for the toward any informed minister to join us to be with me, id just like to get a very brief comment from you at the beginning. I will israel launch and offensive and russell. I think that you follow secuity needs are and the possibility to this method from us form its mandatory infrastructure and hopefully to todays come us weeds and model, legitimate and prognostic. Losing to these really ami. We take the necessary steps including taking in consideration into know, sonia when hes telling low as we need to the opposite is that we quote for the scenes to leave their homes. Nothing older to expel them. But the in order to save their lives because they are being kept as human sheets by homeless. And therefore the situation is uh, complicated. Uh yes, they offer experienced with a suffering through, but the link lists on these out all of us can leads to a Better Future and not. And this will in gaza is another wrong because ive also ministering these where the security cub in that in the last rounds of operations in gaza, why we thought that the terrorist would be enough. The 2nd we thought that any understanding would come us. I didnt. So full time because i think the cost would be due to mice, but they will devise all fast for doable to be the side that on the 1st round of negotiations with the palestinians. That its not about to blame game all history. But about finding the solution, the only way to achieve peace is by an understanding that the choices be not b is not between east bodies and but experience. But weve seen those that want and the willing to take also, of course, political re, sonata to chief based on both sides. And just entering to blame game or calling the International Community, give us faith. This has no code for to, im in no subsidy. Id like to get your response 1st of all, um, to what we have heard mr for minister, by the way, welcome and thank you for joining us. You know, weve been discussing all lies right now. Really being on rough up jordan and egypt have been quite fear that they will not accept any forceful transfer of palestinians in egypt appears to be building an enclosure on his border. The form minister of egypt addressed this yesterday. Do you think that your stance can still hold strong on this, given the dire humanitarian situation in gauze and the talk of the military operation extending their well, i mean we should not be responsible for cleaning good is right, is miss a. And before i address that we, weve got our friend things in the right perspective. What we see in gaza is, is a, the bass. Do you think war at mass murder, destruction of the livelihood of 2000000 people pushing people to the best of destroying costs. But that is getting journalists, getting medics getting, get eh, humanitarian workers and, and weve got to frame things and go right in the right context. The, the root cause of all of the best is occupation that has had no horizons of ending thats being consolidated in the out. Look at the number of settlements in terms of, of the growth that weve seen over the past few years. Look at the situation before october 7. What did we have before october 7th . We had a complete, deployed general political horizons. We had a government that, that, that, that includes why they can racist ministers who openly quoted for beginning of palestinians because in human 90 months they dont just pick their rights. And we had a process in which this is really government tried to sit in the fallacy, but its kind of jump over dependence to an issue to have the original piece and ignore the palestinians as if these arent the exist. This current is really Prime Minister was on that it could saying that his mission is supplicate dependence to me is the less but ation for states. October 7th, we are condemned to collect was really civilians on october 7th, all the countries did that. But i have yet to hear the ones we all have. I have it tonight. But here one is really official, condemning the beginning of 50000 people in guys, a 75 percent of them are women and children. We have a country that made peace with us as 30 years ago, but we made peace within the context of a broader piece that should allow for regional conditions that will ensure safety, security, dignity for all the people. The floor is what it is. Im going to send you, its what is why i cannot have security, i missed, but assuming as have security, we all kind of have these, im just the police to me and people have their legitimate rights to stay to then freedom and dignity people tend. This seems to have been pushed under and under, under tons of layers of, of, of, of, of, of ignorance. And i asked him because if police to me is not exist. So lets bring things like we have a conflict. The root cause of the conflict is an occupation that is a violation of every human right that exists. There was no horizons for this a few patients to and now were just looking at things as if the only problem is that there is something called time us. No, the only problem is that there isnt a q patient that has to end we in the world since 2002 have said that were willing to help pulling norm as ties with his way invitation for ending the occupation and daylight zation of the city and state is what i did not even consider that and, and, and this is the question that we have on the issue of displacement. Its set up. So we know we will not allow for the displacement to flip another. Uh uh, is that also when youre sending is that also what your objection counterparts are saying . Yes, i think jordan egypt had been even despite on what building of the inquiry about, the displacement is not acceptable. Its a violation of international law. Its a little crime. But beyond that, it was sort of nothing gets, well just set the stage for further conflict. If one less than the school ever wants peace, we kind of just keep speaking in the macro. The path to peace is known, the 2 state solution, the zation of a palestinian state that can live in the sun and security with his right. And the other talk about political horizon about this is, im sorry, its ignoring the issue and its assuming that you can continue to control the life of 5000000 people. And then i them every human rights and say, i want to be so is that most of id like to turn to the spanish one mr. Right now and get the use. And this, the spanish for you is here because you are among the e. U countries most critical of the rising just to one, gaza and israels occupation, their operation, their excuse me, if you have pause arms sales we understand and how do you see the prospects for de escalation and ending the conflict . Everything that we are doing and saying, amc a de escalation, these escalation of violence will lead the nowhere, i dont see any political vision behind all these violence and there is have real risk of fits below over the own. Gotcha. We see whats going on in the west bank. We are very, very worried for a very fry, yall already leaving. And so basically saying, well know what is needed to get keys on security for both the policy and people. And these riley people we take very seriously the security concerns of is what, when we called for a peg. My name is his fire. When we call to the media entrance of humanitarian aid, which is absolutely needed in gas. So, given dates, the catastrophic humanitarian, the situation when we called for the Media Release of, of, of, of hostages. All those things are on go in the benefit of, of both of them. The police, the on sundays, rileys and melanie juliet. Id like to turn to you for mister of canada, and perhaps you can also give us the International Perspective as well as maybe the north American Perspective as well. How much influence do you see the International Community have having on bringing ends to this conflict . What we need now is a hostage deal. We need that because thats the only way that we can get you mentoring support up to 500 trucks a day from kat them southern manasseh. And from there, there will be a momentum to get to a sustainable cease fire. Violence must stop. I think we all agree on that us. And when we had the last truce in november, we saw that things calm down the pressure and all our country come down. Im a say in canada, the politics of, of this is extremely difficult. And theyre, thats creating tensions, more anti semitism, more and more as animal phobia. Its, theres lots of tensions in our community. So what we want is a hostage deal. Its a mentor in a this will then permits the work on a grand bargain, which is for too long weve been thinking, and particularly the left center left, which im from. Weve been leaving it to stay solution. But wait, wait, wait, let me jump in this and ill get to. So we believe in a 2 state solution. And then the rate was much more into normalization of relationship with israel. Lets you know, lets make sure that theres a security, a parent is for the region, but the reality sarah, and right now is we have an opportunity to bring the long lasting keys to the region. Why . Because we have to put the 2 together. There will be no security for the air broil and freeze rail. If theres no no renovation, and deal with that with your radio and a 2 state solution, what more pressure could the International Community is over and to bear. And id just like to acknowledge that you form policy chief is sitting in the front row here. Yeah, burrell is right here right now. And im going to quote you, joseph, but out if you dont mind, because you said this in the past week, if you made this thinly failed call and the United States to cut arm supplies to israel due to the high civilian casualties and the war you said that if you believe that too many people are being killed, maybe you should provide less arms in order to prevent so many people from being killed. So there are points there. I, theres 2 things we believe in the right of israel to exist. And thats fundamental. They must be able to exist in peace and security. We also have a Foreign Policy all about Human Security or canada. Thats what we believe in and the protection of civilians as been of the core of everything weve been doing. So of course, right now, this is difficult balance and on rasa. We were absolutely here. This is unacceptable because published indians have nowhere to go. You have been in the center of negotiations if you live need support us to, to state solution. Youre also, i mean youre in israel, youll see the trauma of october 7th, and the population is traumatized. There is no appetite right now for us to states least, or at least very little appetite. And so, you know, and this is our final round of questions by the way. So i just like everybody to, to perhaps have a last little final word here before we open it up to questions from everybody else. So you said that it will be difficult to convince, as well as to support piece to support a 2 state solution. Its, do you see, i mean, oh yes, i see hope it is to that piece where it is under trauma. All of us also though somebody and this kind of falls, oh, you mentioned and thank you for that. The, the hostages. They need to be released because theyve all taken this all kinds against too many things. But speaking about the 2 states or future, the least also in need to understand this also on the Police Opinion side, develop those supporting deals to states for 2 people. We didnt reach an agreement, but they were present us peroration legitimate desperation of the police statements for state. How much does know how mazda does not accept the rival fees where to exist, and the for those that those speaking now about a ton of pieces weve come us. The, dont understand the nature. Its not just, its still were still going to zation full, some freedom fighters. Gov sweep, quote, the been free. If they had 3 nouns, violence, we left gaza, we didnt want to be there. We dont want to control the police thing in life. I know that the negotiations know the us, so the, so for the told them into the p a is this, and this is something concrete quote. Theres a need for us also. I mean, was to understand that the outcome of the, of this can be secure, and im speaking about those suppose the so to states, not all these disabilities, the one, not all parts of this government, but to us for us. We need to understand that it brings secuity that these if we have a new, secure with a structure in the region, we have to solve this, weve chosen with others. And uh, by having that. And then ill change, hopefully, all of these thoughts on guys. And this hopefully can, can make a change. And also for the, id like to ask you 1st of all, for your response. Second of all, can you take us into some of these negotiation rooms and tell us, particularly what regional players might be willing to provide to get a deal done . What is potentially on the table to move not only from a ceasefire, but maybe also to a 2 state solution, possibly also to another normalization agreement with Saudi Arabian israel and region for x. Thank you, sir. I mean, 1st of all, i think the key thing is that this war has to, of this and there, there has to, and this, this, this, this, these work crimes have to and thats the number one thats the bottom line. And what happens after a come to that, but for no, nothing can justify the continuation of the destruction of the livelihood of 2000000 people. Nothing can justify attacking costs, because nothing can justify getting 20000 children. Nothing can just to pi. Making 17000 converts engulfed, but this is unacceptable by understand that is why it has trust, every motor and human chevy and league, a load that exists. Thats number one. Number 2, again, weve got to frame things right. It is unacceptable. Again, to keep beating around the bush, im up that its nice that the problem is with is really politics. That is what it does not want to keep nice. The right to the power steering people to exist. Not only are the saying that, but theyre doing everything that will render the 2 state solution and bytes and fox speak to that. Whats the table from regional player . Ill tell you that whats on the table is 40 piece about to be on a piece, and it should have 2002 and its still on the table. Put enormous size, 40 piece, full acceptance. But thats kind of to happen without ending the occupation and getting the palestinians, the rights we, we come up sold the conflict unless we realize we are to advise that there are 5000000. 00 palestinians. And articulation whose lives are to tell you hostage, talk about the guns are not endorsed. City is about sticking 2000000 palestinians hostage in gaza. And im sorry, is the not the end of the patient of guys a legally, guys. So whats, whats that okay, but we say okay, is what i got out of guys, but theyd be seized, their borders that to seize their skies. They denied the entry of, of, of any, any tiny thing into gaza without, without the permission of his ride and visited with pre doesnt a gas. It was an open prison even before october 7 guys that was besieged again for the hostage data. By the way, im sure you heard todays thats already Prime Minister, whoever once i deal doesnt want to walk away from negotiations. As i looked away from negotiations, i personally believe the discount is a legal im. It does look like those things. The does not want this work to end. Its wants to continue with this work. I like everybodys final. Thoughts will begin with not unusually. Yeah, i think that this, this conflict has had proportions that are unacceptable. But i really believe sarah, and havent spend so much time with a man with face of some saudi arabia with tony blinking. There is way more people agreeing at the International Level on what needs to be done and weigh more interest in putting pressure. The problem we have is we dont necessarily have dancing partners right now. And i think that that is why then the most preoccupying thing right now, which would allow the right political momentum is a hostage deal then you mentor and ate. I really think that we need to put pressure on the time. Now we need to do the difference between israel and the natania governments as well. We need to make sure also that we have allies in these real, to put pressure, also an entire new government. And, and thats his job and will support job aiming and, and, and jordan and the king and ever and, and all the other states. We need a reform p a because right now how moss has too much and its just missing the eyes of palestinian that are too much suffering right now. So we need to be able to help them to offer them the people, a new generation of young, posted new leaders that will be at the table to create the state mr. Formative to your final thoughts its, its very clear that the hope of the Palestinian People and the security of these riley people are completely interlink. And we can not escape to that. And the hope of the Palestinian People has the name of palestinian, the state, a realistic policy. United states and the means got some there was bank on the one single policy. Now story di, connected by a core we though with an next a to the see and with its got between an easier rosellan. And what would have to do is to help that. So for today, for today is the Immediate Release of hostages on the bird. My names his fire, but for tomorrow know for us to tomorrow, for tomorrow is the police dean and his state is the only way in which both of them will have a piece security on the hold me the lease has the ability. Im not asking the will to turn a blind eye to what is what hes doing, and garza but just seem according to your own or more and legal justice and legal a system. Because the local fly for is very interesting. And i mean its the same. We are not speaking about the nature of the grief its, its the sofa of the 2 of those is the target civilians. Deliberately targets killed, right . This is who they are is what is the democracy . We are trying to avoid civic casualties. I was in beesley copying that i know always works. So im not saying that you cannot ask question or good answers, but to make this composer its one you cannot compare these to with the so looking for children took you to an ami, the chrysler void civic cushion. And to your question about whether or not all these for the saw, the say north of the police thickness, lets say you can find the nature of those supporting the supporting the idea of 2 states. And those completely a gas t as no, and a somebody living great or palestine between the reversal, the see sign me mean sign in these, but uh those the living great. The reason between deliver to the c, i hope, and this is the only hopefully is where the some policy names like to find on both sides the little. She understands the, the best option for the wrong people used to find the way forward and to acknowledge the legitimate rights of the side and the farm using no just the vote of 2 states, but 2 states for 2 people, the gifts. And also to mention that as duration of different peoples, i negotiate the face during this negotiations on the other side of the representatives of the piano. Uh the uh, accepted uh, the existence of the state. The 1st one we didnt fix on the somethings on board. Its another thing, but i would like to say since we was asked to both we both mistakes in 2014, the was on the tape of an american paper and i think it was just transferred to the public stance as well. And unfortunately, no answer was given. So sometimes the choice between 0100 percent, the 4. 00 to 1. 00 gives you a 0. And are you hope that both sides with understand the nature of compromise as the from the, the mr deputy . Thank you. Look, test of what the students have rights and we kind of just keep talking about, but its to me, ends up having hopes and aspirations they have, right . So those rights are embedded into nice to know those rights are invented and he who many charity and thats of dependency needs to exist in their own state to independence over in on june for 1967 lines, which is your sentiments. Competence is something that, that is the only way to move forward and its not slogans, its reality and for what i talk about what the existed and what did not exist in the past. I think wed be having a different position. Lets look at the future. The future that we see conductive. What is the future piece for simians for this way, at least for everybody to have that . That is what is the attempt to concerns for security and others should be addressed depend assuming insight to freedom and state which must be addressed as one. Thats number one. Number 2, we come up, continue to talk about whats happening guys as if its something that you could just look outside and glance at then move over. Know there is a, theres a catastrophe happening and as a, in a sense of being killed this way. The army is getting children. Gotcha. Is getting women and children and guys as destroying hospitals and government destroying schools in gaza. And that has to be recognized. They will did recognize that trauma of, of october 7th is what it has yet to recognize the trauma that has been in brooklyn, palestinians, the in the out every day under the listing is a be contained, got signed by the way on the response. Do you know that even before october 7, 2023 was the bloodiest year for tennessee indians, an open decades . Thats before october 7, the number of institutions can on the west bank, is the highest and tickets. That is the policy. This is really government which again as administered, but that openly quoted for the beginning and destruction of a pedestal. And so thats a good thing. So to move forward, i think we just need this war has to stop and the world has to stand up to its responsibility. There should be consequences. And again, to a question about the forms that others, the whole world. Now saying the only possible what is to state solution the whole well, the saying he many, 10 it should be out in 2000. The whole of the saying civilians should be protected and is what it has been. Not none of that, an ask, i think is way the is there is only to do what they dont tell us what you want. Do you want it to stay solution or not . So i think thats how we present the composition to move forward. Again, the water has to end and we need to start a, implement a plan that we realize that the city and state, and that would only be the only guarantee of the future peace for palestinians. Unfortunately, unfortunately, we have to leave it there and apologies, everybody that weve, weve run over time. Um that concludes our panel. 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