oh, ready news with about hackers? generalizing the tire societies. computers that out some of you and governments that go crazy for your data. we explain how these technologies work, how they can go soon for, and that's how they can also go terribly. watch it now on youtube. ah, jada sham situated on the mount of remembrance in jerusalem is the world's foremost remembrance center for the holocaust. it's chairman, danny diane's once vowed never to set foot in germany. but as since reversed that decision, he'll accompany an exhibition of artifacts from the holocaust on display in the bonus tag in berlin. danny diane, thank you for your time to thank you for having me. you vowed that you would never visit germany. they the country responsible for the murderer, $6000000.00 jews, but you are in fact, going to berlin with a special exhibition from the museum here. yet for him. ah, what change your mind? well, i made the decision of a very young age. i'm not the visit germany, but the problem for it's nothing to do with, hey thor, or something like that. on the contrary, it's everything about memory. you know, there is an interesting, deuced edition, not many just do it these days, but they still exist the objects that keep it small part of the wall in the department in their home not painted. why? in order to remember the destruction of jerusalem 2000 years ago, every time they see it, they remembered that journals that it was destroyed, 2000 years ago than the temple was destroy. that's the reason i did it. it's my stain on there on the wall, and when i look at the map of the place, as a visitor, they see a white a stain on the map of europe. it's germany. and i remember why i don't visit germany. it's to keep, to give my respect to the 6000000 jews that were murdered by the same reason that prevented me from visiting germany this day. is there isn't that brings me to germany now was chairman of yet a ship because as chairman of yet but ship by visiting germany, i have the ability to amplify remembrance of the shore to amplify the respect that the spade to the victims are not only on a personal basis, but those are much larger base in a mal roger basis because it will be reported that the seeing that and exhibition will be seen by many persons. so it's basically the same decision, the circumstances change, not my decision. now and let's talk a little bit about where we are today and for him, it's celebrating or marking, rather it's 70th year this year. and how is it developed in the 7 decades as the world's foremost memorial to the victims of the holocaust. i has developed completely 1st fall the fact that the yeah gotcha was established by chris at legislation in 1953, but actually the gathering of archival documentation thought that even before it started in the late forty's, even before this published of the state of israel air but they think that it was started as an archive and a bunch of monuments developed into a multi faceted institution. that these, that you said the most prominent, the most important, the holocaust that remembers distribution in the world. some of the far think out the fact that we have here a, if you are a one being bring you to tears immediately, the moment you see them, the largest library and our collection of collection, the ard, that was produced during the big hollow, coastal, immediately afterward which is something like my book big it is a remarkable archive. i that you've managed to be able to collect over these years . but sadly, as the years roll on, we know that many survivors are dying. they will continue to die and, and one day they will be, of course, no survivors, no living survivors of the holocaust left. when there are no survivors, how will that affect you think the memory of the show are and what's the best way to keep that memory alive? it will be very challenging her. it's clear that that will work will be much more difficult, but it also will be much more important because when that happens, i am convinced that that will be the happy hour of their denial is than the distortion is that the existence of the day. but then they will thrive it, and that's one of the reasons we in a race against the clock against the calendar. now i'd like to talk about your, your appointment. you, you took the reins in 2021, something you've called the greatest honor of your life. and you have a happy, surprising candidate for the yard fishing chairmanship a you were previously representative from the settler movement. you also worked as a diplomat, representing israel in new york. at the time of your appointment, there was a bit of debate, was quite a lot of debate around whether or not that would politicize the role of chairman of yan fish ham. you vowed at the time to maintain a firewall between yourself and the memorial and, and politics. have you managed to do that? yes, the moment i a was appointed by the government. the federal, as chairman of he had burcham, i put the firewall between me and politics in the air. listen, the admission i took upon myself is sacred and they will never stand it with a political, a interest, thoughts, or, or, or considerations. i will tell you a story and my 1st been in yet russia michaels, they come to the museum will far and there is a quote on a wall that there is any brew on in english, but thought it was a threat that he made the sh a painter, a gala 6 then the continued to mccarthy in the war. so get the 1941 and she hid their archer out in the and that was recovered after the war. but also had lost will. and testament was recovered and the quotas from that will and she says, i know i am doomed. i will not survive in did she do them? but they bequeath my works of art to the jewish institutions that will be established after the war. when i saw that quote, i almost fainted. i understood that she's talking to me. i am now the executor of that will. and natalie gillard sections will, but says 1000000 wilson, this elements. and they, therefore, it's my a obligation to do it in the most objective and clear way. can we seeing arise in anti semitism around the world at something you know, you've spoken about at great length in what ways do you say that playing out? well, i'm a personal story. i live to new york in august 2016. the service is rose consul general, they're convinced that they submit this and will be in a law place in my agenda in may. i'm in new york in the united states. 15 just were married that not attacked murdered in that they submit the carfax. so antisemitism, unfortunately thriving again in the world. and they're, you know what they tell worldly. does that come to yard vashem a especially the work lead? this is when you see on base, i mean these them act immediate. don't wait. if your weight antisemitism will met us, thighs into monstrous than men, shall cindy, be impossible to stop it. you actually touched on it and before and i think i do think it's an important point though in the distance between the holocaust and today, do you think that there is a correlation between the resurgence of anti semitism you just mentioned that perhaps once the last of ivers die out, we might see even further resurgence of it. is there a correlation? do you believe between the events of the holocaust? yes or no. anti semitism is anti semitism, antisemitism, but we are not in germany of the 9030 snow. we are not. we are far from it that we should not get close to that got for bit. but you know, the difference between our generation, the contemporary generation to which a non jewish and the donation of the 1930 jewish and not jewish is that we have experience. we know it can happen, probably they, they had the privilege to believe. they tend to believe that they can burn books and can burn synagogues, but they're never burned human beings. we don't have that privilege. we know that it can come to burning human beings. so that's the difference and that gives us an added responsibility on our shoulders to combat anti semitism and racism accent fabia natalia. they same. it is about that. this is empirically the most lethal. it's sort of fun things off of racism. so we have to do it now. what do you see as the artificial role in combating anti semitism? well, you know that we're all of the other shem is to remember and make. remember, the sure are gonna zation. i think that 6000000 jews that were massacred in the shore are entitled to an organisation and institution that the solemnly that the quote that to them exclusively dedicated to them. but the very essence of show our remembrance is a very power full tool to combine that, they submit this and i will give you an example from the last weeks. and there were 2 very prominent american celebrities said that they made very troubling statements . one is canny a whist, and he was clearly an anti semite. i wouldn't bring kenny, i was 3 out of a shame because it's a waste of time. probably he would even enjoy advert. shame because that jews are here the split. what the goldberg on the, on the other hand said that the show was not the an issue about race. it was a classic conflict between 2 whites, white groups, which is nonsense. that's but the thought antisemitic that ignorance, she simply doesn't know the fact that big not this so that drink people right or wrong desert place. and there was no conflict between jews and, and the nazis. that was the, an onslaught of the nazis against the jews. so what the goldberg on the other hand, instead of suspending her for 2 weeks or 3rd network did, they should have sent her to the other shame because what we got can be educated, kenya was, there is no, this is a waste of time. so we do not try to educate the anti semites. we tried to educate the decent people of the world that they believe of the vast majority to stand against them. they said it is as you prepared to make your 1st visit to germany. what are your expectations, or perhaps your hopes and even fears? well as if i have personally and he visions, but that is a personal matter between me on my side air bag. you know, in addition to opening the exhibition in the book, this doug with the speaker of the bundle that represent of the bundle, like i will meet the entire edge of my leadership, the president, the counselor, several ministers, the head of the opposition, a and they, we have to think together, i'm not sure i come to think together with them to consult with them and to give them. yes, sir, without modest the advice a how were to continue to keep the flame of a holocaust remembrance or life to make sure that you know, there is an academic discussion, a fair. they show eyes unique or unprecedented. unique means that it happened wise and would not happen again unprecedented. they didn't happen. thought, but he's got been again how we keep the show unique that we educate. ready and we legislate and we enforce law in order to make sure that a terrible event of the 20 century never happens again. not through the jewish people. not do any other people, not perpetrated by germany, not by any other nation then is i am. thank you very much for speaking to d, w. thank you. ah, with the world belongs to the rich. is that the way it should be? 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