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One rogue and hit ukrainian market town earlier this month. At least 15 people died. And that last will hear from the New York Times journalist behind that report on india warrens, its citizens to stay away from canada after canada accused india of involvement in the murder of a seat near vancouver. The, im the call for a link to our viewers on p b. S in the United States and all of you around the world. Welcome. Its good to have you with us. There by johns president says his country has regained control over the break away. No gordon occur by region after separatist Ethnic Armenian forces agreed to lay down their arms as part of a ceasefire deal. Protesters have rallied in the armenian Capital Europe on over the government handling of the situation. And no gordon or carol accusing us of abandoning armenians during the finding that separate us Officials Say killed. At least 200 people. And according to car box is internationally recognized as part of reserve by john, even though most of its residents are ethnic, armenians. Thereby, john took control of parts of the region after a war with armenia in 2020 a. C, w. s, maria cuts, i must say, is in the or median capital, youre yvonne and she filled us in on the situation there. Well, you see we move hes hes not going to need c c d, w s, maria, cut them on, so reporting from the armenian Capital Europe on. While the seas far announcements still lease significant unresolved questions in the ongoing conflict between our meeting and separatists and other advisors on that includes the question of not going to care about the final status which remains open. Understand to be the focus of talks due to take place between the 2 sides starting on thursday. The mountainous region has been a flash point, at least since the collapse of the soviet union. Heres an overview. It was authored by johns decision to launch what it called antiterrorist activities that sparked the latest conflict. It said it wanted to drive out armenians, that british troops from now gordon, no god or bulk and restore order to to tory is internationally recognized as part of us are based on but its 120000 inhabitants are mostly ethnic. Armenians conflict between both sides. Overlook or no carnival is not for new dates back over a century. Within the last 30 years armenian, azerbaijan have far too voice over it of the 1st war which ended in 1994. The armenians side took control of know, gordon, a kind of ball and 7 other districts. But after short war in 2020 azerbaijan took back those districts. And a 3rd of no for no quarter. Russia sent peacekeepers to the region that earlier this year was there by john, set up an official check point on the own. We court or between armenia and non gordon will cut off. It said its aimed whats to stop the weapon smuggling. But its meant the flow of food, and other, a Central Supplies into the territory has been cut further, escalating tensions, armenian set, purchase forces have agreed to cease fire, and azerbaijan has been now the end of its military operation. Are ex, the fairy, and as an independent research or on the south congress has region since, as or by john wants to fully re integrate and im going to come by ask them what that would mean for the Ethnic Armenian majority living. Unfortunately, it is very reasonable to expect that there will be a mass exit us of the army and population from around colorado. In the very near future, it is very difficult for the armenians of that territory to imagine a peaceful and stable life under the governments without facing any discrimination or any security issues. So were looking at mass displacement there and already before this flare up, as everybodys on the blockade of the region was fueling a humanitarian crisis in the corner car box. And can you tell us what life has been like for the or medians con in the middle of this dispute, as it has indeed been a very uh, very difficult time. Uh, there were some supplies left over once the blockade began. So for at least a few weeks or a few months that were still you know, flower for brad or fuel for vehicles. But what were time at the partial blockade became a full blockade and there was hunger and disease. Thats a big gas spreading, especially in the urban areas. This is a process of reintegration to violence and extortion. It does not bode well for the stability of the region. Russia has announced its peace keepers will act as mediators and talks between are median separatists and other advisors on, but havent they lost all trust and credibility by allowing this last phase fire to break down . Indeed, the only external power with real presence on the ground has been russia for the past 2 centuries. Lets say the certainly after the 2020 uh war. But there have been so many violations of betsys fire. Sometimes rushing mediation has, has, has a, has improve the situation. But certainly, yesterday, it seemed like the russian peacekeepers or purposefully not be involved. And the rhetoric from moscow, from the leadership from the media and russia suggest that the kremlin has, does not intend to intervene very, very forcefully. And this issue the Un Security Council is going to discuss the situation. What role do you think can be you when have in building stable piece in the core . No, carol, indeed there is mobilize ation here in the United States there. I mean, in the American Community i is pushing for very concrete policy matters. It is, as i mentioned, it very difficult to imagine a stable i mean, and population and other by john. So some kind of international and i can is im some kind of mediation most preferably to a you want to Security Council. The resolution might have to very least create an atmosphere of my create some kind of stability so that an atmosphere of final trust and dialogue and peace in the future could be established a lot of competing interest in the Security Council there as well though, next affair and many things lets take a look now and some of the other stories making news around the world today. Around parliament has passed a law increasing prison terms and fines for women who break the country strict as long as the dress code comes, days after the anniversary of the death of geno masa armine, who was detained by the Morality Police for allegedly wearing her head scars improperly her death after being held in custody, sparked massive protest. Britains Prime Minister research, so not because the u. K. Will delay some of its climate targets after an emergency cabinet meeting. So next said he will postpone bands on new gas and diesel cars until 2035 and said climate goals had imposed what he called unacceptable costs on ordinary people. The move of the android opposition lawmakers, activists, and carmakers britons king charles has met with french president their money on my call in paris at the start of his 1st state visit to france. The trip is intended to demonstrate the 2 nations close ties, the spike post breaks of attention. It was postponed from march following mass demonstrations against my cost pension performs illuminated the landscapes told a special session of the United Nations Security Council that rushes invasion of his country as criminal, ukrainian president s at moscow. The actions violated the norms of war and of the un itself. He also urged that russia would be stripped of its veto power on the human body, pressures foreign ministers, circuit lab. Ralph was not present for the lensky speech. The seat was occupied by russias you in a basset, or who protested against the ukrainian president s invitation to speak of the meetings. President w correspondent, janelle de malone was in the Security Council chamber during that debate, and she had this update for in the decal. As you just said, i was sitting there at the Security Council chamber in that building behind to be and i really did have an acute sense of how difficult the job of the Security Council has become. Since russia invaded the cream, it already started with how the session opened. As you described. Russia is that representative objected to blot him years of lensky speaking. At the event he objected to go on him years and id be taking precedence over the other members of the Security Council in terms of who got to talk 1st. And there was a back and forth with the obedient Prime Minister, who of course, holds the presidency for the Security Council until the albanian Prime Minister finally said, well, if you were to stop your war and you crane, then we wouldnt have to invite blood in your savanski, and there was a lot of appreciation in that room for that retort. You could really tell. At the same time it highlighted the somewhat observed situation. The Security Council finds itself in because the truth is, if it were working the way it was meant to securing peace and of securing peace and preventing war in the world. Then the session on ukraine would it be happening today . And aggressor and aggrieved wouldnt be in the same room in a session, a hosted by this party that is trying to move forward and do the job that it is meant to do while russia still belongs to it. As this was the 1st time. So lets get dressed, the council in the chamber in person. Lets listen to some of what he had to say. Most of the world recognizes the truth about this war. It is a criminal and unprovoked aggression by russia, against our nation, aimed at seizing ukraines territory and resources. But its not just that the terrorist state is willing streets, aggression, to undermine all the grounds of international norms, meant to protect the world from divorce. And i am grateful to all those who have recognized re russian aggression as the violation of the un charter and the landscape did not stop there. He accused, and you end up failing to fulfill its purpose by allowing russia to stay on the Security Council. What more can you tell him of the indeed. Well, while he has been here in new york, valencia is very much focused on the message of an attack on ukraine, being in a talk of the world as every nation is meant to prize its sovereignty. But what he was trying to tell, but as you can see in the sound bites there, he also took special pains to thank the community of nations for the continued support of ukraine, which is something that he feels he has to do as a worries. Amount that the support will flag as the ward drives in drugs on the past 500 days. But what he has also been trying to communicate to the rest of the world is that the community of nations could Work Together with you, create and use ukraines experiences. As a blueprint for achieving lasting piece in, in, in the whole world. Now he brought to, he presented to the Security Council, his so called ukraine apiece formula. This is something that hes been working on with other countries in the past the, in the past months. So there were meetings on this in denmark, in saudi arabia and now again at the secret account. So he talked about these points and they include on to territorial integrity. It also introduces the idea of preventive sanctions. And he was the korean, as an example. He said that every member should be able to count on sanctions of being imposed. If they are threatened. And you cranes example, he said that russia should already have been punished for amassing troops on the border. And Something Like boot shot did not have to happen for russia to experience sanctions in this conflict. Yeah. Versus born ministers, target love was not present, was lensky was saying, all of that he came in later to address the council. You know, russia, of course, being a permanent member of the Security Council, lets listen to what he had to say to. But which notes which you today you solution the west is turning selectively to norms and principles based on their geo political needs to be listed above the screen. You mean this has led to shaking global stability and new hot businesses of title shows and will come from imagine no money expected, a showdown between lab, ralph and zelinski, that did not happen. Why, as well, the fact of the matter is, the lensky was simply not fair when loved rob was talking to, lends he had already vacated his seat in the chamber at the time that you was secretary of state. And he blinked and was talking to his was the speech, of course before alive, rose, i can imagine that this provided some measure of relief, especially to the ill be in your no problem. It is sir, who would have had to manage the situation. Had the really been as a showdown between the ukraine and russia in the Security Council chamber. But up, as we can hear, a bit from the sound bite there live rob speech was basically a litany against the neo colonialism and imperialism of the west and of ukraines, the alleged excesses and such a its, its sort of hard to imagine why the landscape did not want to sit there for, but it also has to be pointed out that he also has other things lined up here. After that, you end Security Council. Its like a bilateral meeting with german chancellor. All actual its we also know that at some point hes going to leave for washington where hes going to sit down with us President Joe Biden and address members of congress to shore up that kind of support that are just talking about. And were one of the busiest men in new york at this moment, and now them alone, following it all for us. Thank you so much. And ukraine has rejected a report by the New York Times suggesting a deadly explosion in the marketplace was caused by a ukrainian missile. The blast happened in the eastern city of constantine me scott. Earlier in september, at least 15 people were killed and dozens injured. The New York Times as evidence collected, binds journalist, suggests it was the result of an errands, Ukrainian Air defense. Michelle. The reporters came to the conclusion after studying myself, fragments, satellite images, witness accounts, and social media, post ukraine lands, the russell for the attack. I am for more on this im joint now by john is may, hes one of the reporters of the New York Times who investigated the missile attack. Welcome to her program, john, what made you and your colleagues look so closely at this one incident in particular . Well i think its simply just to find out what happened. So i, i believe initially the creating government said that it was a interceptor missile fired from a russian, a 300. 00 air Defense System that landed in the markets and killed and wounded a bunch of civilians. And so i was sense photographs on, based in washington dc, i was sent photographs that one of our photographers had taken at the site. And just a simple question your, what can you tell me about what exploded here from these photos. And i had one candidate in mind, but i asked if they could go back and take more photographs. So another colleague went there. I took very detail, photographed measurements of the holes that were made him by the way this this uh weapon exploded in a place that offered us a really interesting opportunity to collect very detailed information. There were sheet metal facades on the buildings along the street where the step moved in the middle of the street. And so it was very neat calls that were easy to measure and judge for consistency. So then we then ran through a very detailed process of trying to run down possible candidates that could have caused this damage in it to quickly sifted down to just a few candidates. And we continually evaluate those over the course of a week. Okay, and who are those candidates . What definitive conclusions did you come to as well . So i, the 1st candid i looked at was whether or not this could be an american, provided a guided and all our s weapons called the a w. The alternate warhead, except that with in curious fear, coal, pre formed fragmentation thats made of tungsten, but these were not round holes. These were square and rectangular holes. The frag pattern very strongly suggested this was an air defense within the tide. Pre farmed fragmentation warheads are very common to those weapons because they produce a fairly consistent density of fragments in a cloud. You more or less that the target 5 tries to, you hopefully intercept with those fragments so that the pattern is clearly stretched out in an arc, you know, a sort of a narrow banded park across the street and running up the sides of the buildings. And so we to answer your question, little bit more directly. We looked at, uh, interceptor missiles that could be fired from the s 300. The s 400. I have 3 different missiles from the book launcher. Those are all russian origin weapons of which ukraine does have. So on this 300 in the book. And then we also looked at 2 different american supplied or defense vessels. The, the patriot pact to, and the a 120. 00 emory i missile. Yeah. But only one of those missiles had, i had pre foreign fragmentation, cuz again, we were able to use studies personally, or my colleague in ukraine was a colleague you knew crane was and measure the fragments and the measurements only only match for one. And then that was an item 38. 00 and it came for jack. So your report though, did they have evidence to prove youre wrong . If they do, you have evidence they havent shared with us. So i am unable to explain keys, rush out. I will say though, that whenever something explodes in ukraine and kills a bunch of civilians rush, it would certainly be the 1st person. I think anyone would rationally look, you know, as the cobra. However, the evidence that we uh you, uh, analyzed on covered and analyzing report it on the simply does not support that claim. Yeah. Of ukraine is still investigating the incident. But if this indeed was a tragic mishap, as your report puts it, why wouldnt ukraine be upfront . About it, because after all, this was an accident. If it really was that happen while your brain was trying to defend itself, i have no explanation for it. So i dont know if that means youre on a lot of governments. I think that one of the public, the go back on a statement as strong as the one that you can me, you cranes current made at the beginning. So this is also just one incident among uh, probably dozens, if not hundreds across the country every day. So to focus on just one incident may not be something that they particularly felt they have the time and need to do that. I can tell you that i personally watch 3 different surface to air missile launches during my time is a, an awesome u. S. Navy and 2 of those weapons failed pretty spectacularly after launch only one, which was a much newer system uh function properly. So ive witness search to or missiles your uh, malfunctioning exploding. So youd have to watch. Um, i know this happens. Its guided missiles are not perfect things, and we have no idea how old this weapon was, whether it had to you know, what the potential cause for malfunction would be. What we can say though, is that multiple overlapping lines of evidence point to this being a tragic mistake or sorry i, i, a tragedy not an intentional act, yet Ukrainian Security Officials Say that your report, fuels russian propaganda. Now, you obviously stand by your reporting. You have heaps and heaps of, of prove and how do you respond to that . How do you feel about that . It, it doesnt bother me. I mean, we stand by are reporting a 100 percent. We have excellent people on the team that did this. If the government wants to say that we feed russian propaganda thats on them, thats. Thats their choice to characterize it that way. Um, you know, i think we prefer to have an opportunity to discuss this we, we reached out to the crate in government from the very beginning of our work. And they were not forthcoming in a i an effort to have a constructive dialogue whatsoever. So to simply ignore our outreach for say, the better part of a week and then turn around and accuse us of feeding rush or propaganda. Whether thats intentionally or not. Um, its really nothing i can explain. I think the don is may thank you so much for your time, don. Thank you. And then other news, india is lower house of parliament, has voted to reserve a 3rd of its seats for women at woods more than double the number of female lawmakers and its ranks. The proposed law would also impose the same rules and state legislatures, but it still requires the upper houses approval on must spring to him, start up. Maryland has begun recruiting patients for its 1st human trial. After an independent review board assigned off the company will offer brain implants to paralysis the 1st name as to let them control a keyboard or computer cursor with just their thoughts. Your links, previous animal trials, sparks welfare concerns of india as cautioned it citizens against traveling to canada, blaming what its that were growing anti india activities. The warning comes out for canada, accused indian agents of involvement in the killing of canadian seek activist. Her deep sting, the jar, and near vancouver and june, india strenuously denies the accusation and canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has demanded a new deli 3 be allegations with the utmost seriousness. United states has back canadas call for india to reveal what it knows about the killing. Our daily bureau chief from rita team, i told my colleague and your group as matt kennimore about the indian governments travel advisory as well. It certainly service and it comes on here as a direct response to canada. Advisory warning its citizens not to go to certain parts of india site and security concerns like terrorism, munitions, the kidnapping and civil unrest. Now, the Indian Foreign ministry has no advice, its citizens to be extremely vigilant when they are in canada. The thing that uh, you know, they have to be careful of anti india activities as well. As you know, politically can dont hate crimes and political and criminal violence, asking its citizens to actually be very careful in mind for especially it is risk such incidents have taken place. Now its asking its students to register at the end did High Commission in canada and consider this across the country in case as an emergency. They should stay up to date with the information offered by the indian High Commission. And it says, particularly at risk in diplomats and those spots of the Indian Community who and what it goes, a antique india activities, those im right, thats e mail. Youre watching the, the, we use a lot from berlin in here. As a reminder of our top stories today as make our meeting and fighters and as a rezoning forces in the disputed region of the going to car about have declared a ceasefire. To make our maintenance effort to say they will lay down their weapons for peace talks due to take place. Thursday in us or by sean and ukraines president will let him read the landscapes told a special session of the United Nations Security Council of russias unprovoked invasion of his country is criminal, and that moscow should be stripped of its veto on the human body. Russia had strongly protested zelinski is invitation to speak at this session to stay with us after a short break. I will be back to take you through today. I do hope to see you there. The, the, the, this utopia has a long way to go near vienna. The city of the future is being built on a former deerfield, this sustainable neighborhood will be home to more than 25000. 00 people. 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W documentary, it was all eyes on ukraines president today as he addressed the United Nations Security Council in new york. Not only was it the landscape the 1st time speaking inside the chamber, it was also a rare opportunity for him to confront russia directly calling out the russian aggressor. While looking one of food eastman ride in the eye, the ones most powerful body had convened to discuss the upholding of the un charter and ukraine. And it was precisely that power zelinski called into question