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Cenk they did it again. Mary joe white who has been nominated as Securities Exchange commission she said yes before we prosecute bankers we ask for permission. Will it help the economy . Will it help the Bank Shareholders . Who gives a damn if it hurts the Bank Shareholders. Did they ask you is it going to hurt your family or your shareholders . No theres two separate sets of rules. Well talk more about that tonight. Right now viewpoint is next. Stay right here. John for the past few days rome has been a gathering of men, mostly in costume but now argentinian Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio is now francis 1. I wish he would have kept the named jorge. They tried to use the old electronic Voting Machines but they had to stop because every time they voted george bush kept winning. Thats not true. President obama tried the Charm Offensive on republicans who were offended by his charm. The only way you can get modern republicans to agree on government spend something to declaring war on the country that never attacked us. Today is the birthday of earl gray and adam clayton and j. P. Morgan ceo jamie dimon. Wouldnt it be great if all of we taxpayers got together and buy him a gift . We already did. This is viewpoint. [ theme music ] john good evening im john fugelsang, and this is viewpoint, yes whether youre catholic or not, we have a pope. The white smoke billowed from the sistine chapels vatican city just after 2 00 p. M. Eastern time this afternoon. Okay, it was just after 7 00 7 00 in rome. Then with the pomp and ceremony that the vatican have mastered over the centuries the new pope took his place for the first time on the balcony of st. Peters. Its new popes first words were, i quote, as you know the duty of the conclave was to appoint a bishop of rome, and it seems to me that my brother cardinals went to fetch him eight the end of the world but here i am. Here from argentina where the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio was born to italian immigrant parents and became the first jesuit to serve as the archbishop of the countrys capital, buenos aires. The pope francis is 76 years old and the first jesuit, and the first pope born outside of europe since gregory iii who died in 741. Pope francis was considered a modernizer, a champion of the poor and a sharp critic of the economic House Republicans have now adopted as their second religion. Last year the cardinal attacked fellow priests for not tending to the poor in the spirit of jesus. And he refused to baptize children born out of wedlock. As a champion of the poor and vulnerable among us he carries forth the message of love and compassion that inspired the world for more than 2,000 years. In each other we see the face of god. Like his predecessor the pope is considered a traditionalist when it comes to abortion, and celibacy and Marriage Equality for gay christians. And he has been accused along with the rest of the Argentinian Church hierarchy with complicit with the countrys vicious junta during the leftest in the 1970s. Pope francis denied the charges. Im delighted to be joined by John Shelby Spong resider bishop whose latest book is reclaiming the bible for a nonreligious world, and im delighted to be joined by reverend dr. Susan thislethwaite thislethwaite, professor of theology and former president of the chicago theological system near. Her book is occupy the bible. Its great to have catholics here to get an unique perspective in the church that i was brought up in. The Catholic Church is not known for its firsts in this day and age but we have two. The first pope to assume the name st. Francis, and his origin the first pope ever from south america. Bishop, what do you think of the significance of both of those things . The good thing is that he was a surprise. All of the people that you thought were obvious candidates wouldyou knew would carry on the same sort of traditions. Just to have a surprise is a statement thats forward. He also demonstrates negativeity towards pomp and circumstance which i think is terribly important. He lives in an apartment, not a palace. He cooks for himself. He drives Public Transportation busrides the Public Transportation bus. The medium is the message. We take our bishops cardinals or archbishops and put a thinly disguised crown a royal cape and a closure and a royal ring on their finger, and a medallan. We seat them in a share in the palace and then say were in the ministry of servant hood. The medium violates all of those values. This man still has the externals, but he clearly has made identification with the poor which we ought to applaud. John to say nothing about the irony of living in opulence while serving a man who died homeless. Yes. John what do you think about him taking the name st. Francis. I think its a signal that he intends to identify with st. Francis and who he was with the poor. I think it is important. This is religion. Youre in the symbol business. You send a signal this is who im going to be. I was also cheered not only by all of the refusal of pomp and circumstance. Appearing in just a simple robe. Not all the extra embroidered garments this sent a message. But this is someone who in 2007 talked about the excess of wealth. Now its true that this is not a liberation theologian, and he was definitely not a liberation theologian in the 70s. John for those who are not familiar with liberation theology, can you let us know. Yes its A Latin America movement, Archbishop Romero who was murdered by the death squad that identified as the poor being the poor jesus like the poor st. Francis and that you get theology from that perspective. Therefore sin was not just personal and individualic but social. You get someone who knows certainly sin andsocialsin and talks about it in 2007 i think he knows that. John this cardinal did refer to unequal distribution of wealth as a sin. Yes. Yes. John which is rather telling. And can you bishop, tell us what you think about the significance of the jesuit status . I was also happy about that. I was going to say in the roman tradition, they saw jesuits as intellectual stars. One of the great things that not just the roman Catholic Church but all of christianity has got to embrace is most of the symbols of our faith tradition come out of a premodern world and they dont translate very well. We tell the jesus story in terms of there was a perfect creation from which we fell into original sin and god had to come in and redeem us. That didnt make much sense when we know weve been evolving and there was never a state of perfection and you cannot fall if there was no state of perfection. So original sin is out and the idea of external redemption is out, and you have to rethink all the primary symbols of the christian story. Thats exciting, and i hope hes able to do that. Im encouraged by the signs. Im not encouraged when i look at his social record. But i dont think its possible for us to think that the roman cardinalsing, the college of cardinals could have elected someone who was not in the tradition of antigay. Its just too early. What he can do ifand hes 78. Hes 76, its not a longterm papice. But on the actuarial charts, if hes a pope for eight years thats a big if. If you look at that time frame and what he can do in eight to ten years is to appoint more moderate cardinals. John indeed. Who will make a difference in the next election. And rome moves at a very slow pace, but they do move. You know, every now and then you got a john xxiii out of the process. John they do move, and full disclosure my father was a franciscan brother before he left to marry my mother who was a nun. So i feel heartened as a progressive. One of the things that youll hear our progressive friends say why should i care about this . Its irrelevant. Doctor you wrote a book about the bible. Why do you think the american progressives should care about . The american progressives need to get on the stick about carrying about the economy. John oh, they do. We have been really at the cutting edge on the social issues. I think less so in relationship with the economy in terms of economic analysis. You can barely get people to say the word class. Ive been talking to a lot of progressives about the book. I want to say in relation to what the bishop was saying, i dont think we have a tenyear horizon in terms of the child sex abuse scandal. Everything else i totally agree with but it will be a major major disappointment if pope francis does not immediately move to address reining in, and better and healthyier sexuality among the catholic priesthood. Thats a taller order but in terms legally and promoting a healthier sex all the child sex scandals come first. John i couldnt agree more. Im afraid were out of time. I hope youll both come back and talk about this man as his papacy unfolds and i hope there are things where progressives find this guy as an unexpected ally in their cause. One of my favorite authors and one of my favorite newest author authors. The ref rend dr. Susan htistlewaite. [clucking]. Everyone wants to be the cadbury bunny. Cause only he brings delicious cadbury creme eggs, while others may keep trying. Nobunny knows easter better than cadbury john welcome back to viewpoint. Its time for our thing of the day. Today its the head slapping moment of the day. And it comes from an amendment proposed by senator ted cruz our future faith republican for continuing spending resolution. It would have funded the Affordable Care act. It failed by 4552 with every republican in your senate supporting this amendment. Did i forget to mention that if this continuing resolution doesnt pass in the next two weeks the government will shutdown but dont worry about the amendment delaying process the senate is phone for their ability to pass bills quickly and without obstruction. Its easier to get a pope from south america. These day it seems a though everyone has a budget. Exception the federal government. Theres the paul ryan budget. Theres the Patty Murray Senate democrat budget. Now theres the congressional progressive budget. Well talk to representative Keith Ellison who is the cochair of the congressional progressive caucus very shortly. And also there is the president s budget which has zero chance of being passed. And the president seemed to signal his resignation to this budget quagmire. Ultimately it may be the differences are just too wide. If their position is we cant do any revenue or we can only do revenue if we gut medicare or gut Social Security or gut medicaid, if thats the position then were probably not gonna be able to get a deal joining us now top to does the budget battles on capitol hill we have congressman Keith Ellison of minnesota. Thank you for joining us this evening. Thank you. Can you describe your budget and how that compares to some of the other budget proposals out there in congress. The budget is called back to work budget. That says it all. Its about back to work. Our budget, its how many people it puts back to work. Now debt and deficit are issues important for the outyears, and because were bringing people back to work well address that issue. We get 4. 5 trillion in deficit reduction over ten years. But our goal is to put people back to work. How do we do that . Well, we listen to the engineers. They tell us 2. 3 trillion worth of infrastructure maintenance is needed all across our country. In my district we had a bridge fall into the mississippi river. Let me tell you its not just a matter of putting people back to work, its a Public Safety issue. Engineers tell us we need to invest in infrastructure, so we do. We do local government aid which puts police, fire, teachers different people who do Important Public Service jobs at the local level back to work. And then we have the make work pay tax credit which help small employers hire people if they hire folks who are out of work, and i think those things together with the number of other investments help us put 7 Million People back to work in in 2014. I think its ironic that the congressional budget is more conservative than the conservative one. It has little chance of ever being enacting. What are you gaining by putting it out there . Were fostering a progressive position for americans. Were helping americans see what it could be like if we put a budget together that included their preferences. Now in terms of the odds of a budget being passed i doubt very seriously if paul ryans budget is going to be the one that ends up being enact into law because the nat is not going to pass it. So we think our chances are pretty good. But let me tell you something the fact is that were standing on our values. Were offering the American People, and were going to organize around this budget. Who are we to say that it wont . Paul ryan is now offered to cut obamacare, which the Supreme Court affirmed, and which was voted on in the last election because that was romneys signature issue, he was going to repeal obamacare. So the fact that there is no chance of that even mike wallace comedic said that has no chance of passing. The bottom line is hes not going to pass his budget, and folks have their doubts about ours but ours is clear transparent. We answer the questions it asks us. We put jobs first. Were unashamed about doing that and we do a lot of deficit reduction. So i think that at the end of the day our budget is the best budget. It is what should be enacted. If we base it on what the American People said they wanted. Its the budget they should have. Our budget said well protect Social Security, medicare, medicaid. Were not going to cut them the way the paul ryan budget does, thats what we should do. We should never abandon our seniors, people who are living off survivors benefits. John ive looked at your budget and there is a lot in it to get behind. I know republicans who would like to see a nonfiction version of the paul ryan budget. After listening to the president talk this week, about his willingness to accept entitlement reform. There are some who think were better off with no grand bargain. Yes, were not going to tolerate a budget that introduces benefit cuts. We have 107 people saying we oppose these kinds of cuts. There is another letter the grayson letter who said they wont vote for anything that include these kinds of cuts. At the end of the day there is a lot of support for Social Security medicare, medicaid in the congress and in the senate, and across america. I think that while i support the president on so many things, we worked hard to get him elected thats something that is not going to work out. John do you think he means it or just negotiating tactics . Weve been debating that subject, but at the end of the day i dont know. If the republicans call him on their bluff and they say well take that . Then what. Thats the problem for putting things out just to negotiate. At the end of the day were not going to stand by for a chain cpi which is a benefit cut. And were not going to stand by to cut healthcare on seniors. If you dont do something to lower medical costs it doesnt matter whether you throw the costs on the seniors or not theyre going to keep on going up. Weve got to hold medical costs down. Its medicare thats not the problem, its expanding medical costs that are the problem. Medicare is a great problem efficiently run and benefits a lot of people who are seniors and people with disabled. John representative Keith Ellison of minnesota cochair of the progressive caucus. Thank you for your time and more importantly for your service on this important issue. Thank you. John president obama continued his Charm Offensive by meeting with House Republicans on capitol hill but for most republicans it probably did them more charm than good. This is why they left the meeting at separate teams when just being seen with the nations president can get a good conservative congressman primaried by not so conservative groups. Including club for growth who doesnt believe are right wing enough which means not conservative enough to support paul ryans budget. The same one that has failed to gain any support from the majority of the sane American Public leading any member of the g. O. P. With the position either dont support the ryan budget and you get primaried. Or support it and get clobbered over the head with it by democrats in 2014. Lets bring in someone who is all too happy to watch republicans squirm, the founder and publisher of the daily kos your friend and mine, Markos Moulitsas good evening. Good evening. John good to have you. Is there any chance to think that he has any success winning them over to the common sense approach and maybe drive a wedge between them . There is a problem as much as republicans whine and complain the problem is that obama is being mean to them. The problem is theyre under the control of the tea party base that wont let them do anything on behalf of the country. Theyre fearing for their political lives. Thats the number one concern on their minds not whether obama is nice to them or not. John it will be fun to watch that over the next couple of years and decades but what do you think about the lets call them sensible members who find a way to compromise with the president , and the tea partyers who im surprised agreed to be in the same room. The tea party crowd, the club for growth, and the fact that these guys have been so destructive to the Republican Party has cost them six senate seats in the last two election cycles alone. Thats enough to switch control of the senate to the Republican Party. It costs the Republican Party the senate, and yet they continue to have influence. I know there are plenty of republicans who have a problem with that, but the problem is there is nothing they can do at this time. It encourages the crazy base, now they need to live with them. John do you think the fear of being primaried by club for growth and other conservative groups that can force all republicans to get on board with the paul ryan budget . They may be on board. Weve seen these issues in several votes already where the house has passed legislation based on majority democratic support, minority republicans, majority democratic support. You have a lot of republicans who want these bills to pass, and the reason theyre even voted on is because boehner wants them to pass, yet a lot of these guys are voting no because of that, theyre afraid of the primary challenge. Theyre afraid to do the right thing for the country because they know if they do theyre history. John the conventional wisdom among democrats is that they dont mind for republicans signing onto the ryan budget because theyll smack them over the head with it in 2014. But i dont know how many moderates are paying attention to the contents of the paul ryan budget . Will the average voter vote against the guy just because they voted for the paul ryan budget . One of the few things that republicans did in 2008 was to muddy the waters on medicare. And they accused obama of cutting medicare even though paul ryans budget at the time included the same cuts and paul ryan bucket now includes those same cuts. What it does is reinforce the notion. Republicans desperately need to change the brand. What this does is allow democrats to sayyou dont even need to know the details of this program. Just know that the Republican Party you voted against, thats the Republican Party of today. They have not changed one bit and the paul ryan budget hasnt either. John they seem to agree they need to change their brand but they cant come to agreement what that would look like. What about the g. O. P. Moving on issues immigration, gun control, do you see any chance of compromise on any of these issues . I see very, very little chance. To me for they are retrenching. They just cut a bill to only use the filibuster under extraordinary situation yet they use it on every nominee obama puts up. This is a Republican Party incapable of reforming themselves. They dont like evolution in reality or in any sense of the world. Theyre not going to evolve. The only way theyre going to change in 2014 the American Public gets tired of it and votes them out in bigger numbers. The American People isnt with them and nothing theyre doing today is changing that fact. John an i agree with you but my concern is that the g. O. P. Seems to be more organized in getting out the vote. How do you think it will play out in 2014. Well, as we saw in 2006 democrats are more than capable of winning big on a midterm election. What we saw in 2006 is that the Democratic Base voted. Now the reality is that the demographics of this country there are more democrats than republicans. And midterm elections are election are particularly based elections. They were angry this was their way of getting back to democrats, were not going to vote. If democrats act like democrats they do what they need to do, the base turns out there is no way they can lose. Now the only roadblock we have is that the gerrymandering in the house. We would to win the house popular vote by 6 or 7 points to take back the house. Thats the institutional roadblock that we have to taking the house. As long as democrats turn out and as long as republicans keep doing what theyre doing i think were looking pretty good in 2013. The early points bear that out. All the endangered incumbents on paper are doing well. Markos moulitsas, thank you so much. My pleasure. John a governor so determined to cut taxes even costing his state 2. 5 billion he still wants more tax cuts. Ctf kansas coming up next. Stop looking at car interiors. Get inspired by other stuff. Yep. Yep. Ok. Sure. Why not . Woah. Touchscreens. Put that in your dash. Now, luxury stuff. Make your seats like that. That thing has wifi, why doesnt your car . You cant do that. Ignore that guy. Give it wifi. Yes make it fit 5 people. No, 5 actual sized people. Give them leg room, good. 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Com now for an exclusive 10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. Er. [ theme music ] john okay, wtf america continues with the investigation in the wtf going on in kansas. Todays story involves cutting taxes which republicans tell us is the only way you can improve the economy. If by improve you mean bring the state close to the abyss of financial collapse. Or as the Kansas Tea Party calls it livein the dream. Now Kansas Governor Sam Brownback pushed to slash his states income tax rate and even some of his republican colleagues were worried that slashing the tax rate would slash revenues and cause a humongous deficit in kansas. The Governor Brown backs thoughtful measured response was to put his hands over his ears and say la la la, i cant hear you. I guess if all the schools in kansas close due to budget cuts, problem involved. Thethey project Governor Brown backs cuts will add to up 2. 5 billion by 2018 just for one state. This is no big deal as long as you dont have any need in kansas police, firemen sanitation workers libraries and have no interest in ever sending your kids to a school. Wtf, kansas. Dont get me wrong. I like how youre demonstrating how Tea Party Ideas dont work but i dont like how your citizens are going to be affected as a result. Click your ruby slippers together and repeat, there is no place like reality. John welcome back. Now suppose youre assaulted by someone you work with, and even if your attacker is found guilty, his boss can reverse the conviction. Sounds crazy but thats how it can be done in the u. S. Military. Or imagine the more likely case that he never even goes on trail at all. And that he even gets promoted while you get kicked out for reporting his crime. This also way too often has been the military way. That was the story as a Senate Armed Services Sub Committee began hearings on sexual assaults in our military. One person testifying this morning was anu bhagwati, a former Company Commander at a school of infantry in north carolina. She witnessed a pattern of sexual attacks at the school and filed for an investigation against an alleged offender. It led to not her down fall in the military but hers. Anu bhagwati. Anu, thank you so much for seeking with us. Thank you for having me. A small group of men were accused of conducting sexual attacks. Were answer of them punished . No, when i was at the school i was in charge of 400 marines. An incredible staff. It was an integrated staff. There were few women who were being sexual harassed or assaulted, and there was a major case, a Staff Sergeant who had been accused of raping or assaulting literally dozens of students was simply transferred out of the unit instead of charged and courtmartialed. It really threw a lot of us for a loop. Most notably the Young Students who were 18, 19 the years old. I dont know what happened to those students but i think backi think about them a lot. I wonder if they stayed in. I wonder if they recovered while from that horrible time in their careers. The second incident, which affected me more directly was a lieutenant in my own unit was sexually harassing all the women. I filed an investigation against him knowing that it was a career careersuicide for me because my ncos my enlisted troops could not do that. It would have been difficult because they were not officers to take that kind of action against the lieutenant. And the command literally ignored all the recommendations. This lieutenant was promoted, given command of my own company and it was devastating for everyone involved. We all got out because we were crushed by how our Commanding Officers our Field Grade Officers treated this. But all those marines are still on active duty or theyve retired out any trouble. John its devastating to hear, and more devastating to consider the amount of victims who dont come forward for fear of what might happen. Can you outline the problems that assault victims face when they go public in the military . Sure, very few report, which is part of the problem. It gives you an idea of what the climate is like. Most feel retaliation. They dont trust the system. Were talking about 86 of them according to the department of defense, that simply dont report. The crime is so intimidating. We have a help line where we get calls from women and men who have been harassed in a variety of ways. A lot of our clients that have been assaulted receive retaliatory diagnoses when they have depression or post traumatic distress which is clearly related to their rape or harassment. Instead theyre diagnosed with the imaginative diagnoses personality disorders things that could not have happened. Theyre preexisting conditions that they wouldnt have been able to join the military if they had these conditions. And you see medical professionals in the military retaliating against these victims for reporting and then theyre kicked out of the system because you cant be in service if you have these extreme diagnoses. Theyre punished again. First theyre punished from their rape. Then theyre retaliated against for reporting. Then oftentimes depending on the diagnoses your v. A. Limits are off limits to you. If thats not the case, if youre eligible for va benefits, we discovered that only one in three post traumatic disability claims relateed to assault harassment thats a smaller number than the post traumatic distress claims that are passed. And you heard how horrendous the claims process is to begin with. There is triple betrayal. First from their brother in arm. Then from their unit and then from the v. A. Endless amounts of retriggerring of trauma, callous behavior, cruelty by the veteran affairs. John its appalling that theyre victimized twice the second time being publicly shamed. Youve brought forth damaging revelations, before we leave do you feel that the committee did seem to be going in a positive direction . Did you leave feeling more hope for this . I left feeling more optimistic but we have our work cut out for us. This is the first time that they seriously discussed the reform, actually reviving uniform code of military justice instead of laws that governor justice in the military. Removing authority all together from commanders and giving them to prosecutors, which is what the recommendation has been for quite some time. And that is perceived by the military as huge step that is unreasonable. But from the perspective of the victim and advocate it is a straightforward recommendation. Its one that our common law allied countries have taken to improve sexual cases in position prosecution in countries like the u. K. And canada. We really need to think outside the box. Unfortunately there are members of Congress Still and also military leaders who just dont understand the sense of urgency on this issue. Its one thing to say you care, but then we need the action to follow. We cannot just have 19,000 additional assaults every year continuing generation after generation. Its shameful. John its a burdensome trail to have to blaze i thank you for blazing it. Anu bhagwati of the Service Womens action network. Thank you for your service, and for the service youre performing for your country. The shooting of a black teenager by new york police. Once again relations between the police and the community crack. Thats up next. John welcome back. Now community in brooklyn continues to mourn tonight just days after the tragic shooting of a teenager at the hands of the nypd. As anger and frustration lead to protest and violence this incident shines a spotlight on the already existing tension between the community and those tasked with serving and protecting them. 16yearold kimani gray was shot and killed by two undercover nypd officers saturday night after they claimed he pointed a gun at them. A loaded handgun was found on the scene but it remains unclear whether kimani gray was carrying the weapon at the time he was shot. What is clear is that the community is outraged. The vigil and march through brooklyn turned violent as a group of 30 or so marchers split off from the group and looted a nearly rite aid pharmacy. Commissioner ray kelly added. I dont think see it related to the demonstration. We run the risk of it happening again. John joining me now, l. Joy williams and Elon James White and aaron rand freeman. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. John whether kimani gray was armed. Whether he belonged to a gang. We know he had been arrested in the past, but the specifics for this particular shooting is less important than the underlying anger that members of the community feel about this happening. I dont think anybody is surprised when this happens. I think were all sort of numb to that, but elon you were there, and you were at the protest the other night, what is the mood now and where do you think the investigation is going . Well, the mood is of anger and frustration overall. When i got down there i went down when everyone was yelling riot. I went to find out what is happening myself. When i got there i didnt see the remnants of a fullblown riot. I saw glass broken and garbage thrown about, but not as we know as riots when things are on fire and destroyed. But the people who were still there, they were angry. Theyre angry because they feel like theyre under siege. The nypd is not looked at as a helpful force in anyway, shape form or fashion. I ran directly into what was supposed to be a riot. I was not afraid of the people there. My fear was the people in riot gear. There were massive amounts of them everywhere. Thats what i was terrified about. Thats a normal thing in brooklyn especially as being black in brooklyn. Black male in brooklyn, were taught as children to be terrified of the cops because otherwise Young Mothers would constantly losing their mothers doing some weird interaction with the cops. John this sort of tension is not unique to brooklyn. No, its across the country in places particularly in communities of color. And the frustration that elon is talking about, the anger, the fear, at this point we know more about kimanis background than we know about the officers and the actual innocent. There is still information being developed. There are witnesses coming out now saying he didnt have anything. But he did there was a gun there is still an investigation going on. But the underlying problem is that no matter the work that local offices may be dealing with Community Leaders to build good will and police and serve the community theyre in, all of that dissipates when you have a commissioner and a mayor who doesnt show any kind of compassion when these things happen. We dont have the commissioner and mayor coming out saying we dont want to see more of these deaths. We dont want our officers shooting and killing kids. Thats never the narrative. The native is always one of showing the bad habits or the bad pasts of the victims and immediately defending the officers. I understand that there are times when youre a commissioner, and the officers, you want to protect them but you have to show compassion of the people youre serving. No matter what good will they may be dealing with, all that have dissipates when Something Like that happens. John do you see that good will being put forth . Yeah, im in brooklyn. I do a lot of work there and there is real work. We have clergy councils, and councils work closely in the neighborhood with a number of officers. So there are sometimes in communities of color that direct action that happens. But that all dissipates and its as a consequence of the shootings from those who are supposed to serve and protect. John what do you see. They pick someone and dehuman dehumanize them. Were not at a point that our Police Department can admit that they harmed someone and that also this child is a human being. Theyre not at that point. This child is a criminal. Our cops shot a criminal. Thats how it is, our bad. John of course its worth pointing out the loaded gun found at the scene has not yet been tied to young mr. Gray. They found a loaded gun. He has been arrested before, so the fact that a 16yearold kid is dead, whatever. John commissioner ray kelly said that the riot at the rite aid was unrelated to the march. But others said a riot is the language of the unheard. And hes suggesting more violence and rioting might occur this summer. I dont think thats exactly what he i was saying. John please elaborate. Actually that quote was fromi spoke to him directly. What he said was he wasnt surprised that this happened, and that they were expecting it to happen sooner. This was something that could have happened at any point in time when the whole neighborhood is ignored. He was talking about the fact that they dont even have a Community Center in a twomile radius of the place. Theyve been begging for that. They want them to come in to the neighborhood so they seek that those in power care about the neighborhood at all. John how can those who care learn more and help. Continue the coverage and pushing back against the coverage in humanizing the victims. Despite someones background, whether or not they deserve to be killed in that manner is the question. Some individual cops feel also that they feel troubled for taking a humans life. We need to push back on the narrative that you should expect communities of color that just because they have a history they deserve to be killed. John l joy williams, Elon James White and aaron rand freeman. Thank you for joining me. Coming up next the fbomb cepacol sensations. John finally time for toni