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The clutzy neighbor next door. Killing thousands of my own citizensdid i do that . Next up, fidel castrois he still alive. Were going to match him up with the principal of saved by the bell. If theyre both alive or if thereabout deadtheyre both dead theyre going to retire in arizona. And finally the ghost of hugo chavez will be paired up by the ghost of Patrick Swayze in the movie ghost. Theyll strap on comfy track suits. It will be awkward at first. But once that clay starts spinning it will be peace and harmony. Im still trying to decide which spice girl is good for ahmadinejad. Im done talking now. Michael thank you for joining us in the war room. Have a great night. Have a terrific weekend. Cenk welcome to the young turks. Bold new ideas for republicans at cpac. Its time for liberty to expand government must shrink. Cenk we look into the heart of darkness in a new documentary. We know you know theyre the next attack against the United States but were not going to force you to tell us what it is, because it might create a bad image for us. Thats not a close call for me. Cenk torture not a close call for cheney. Insight into cheney, very interesting. 9 11, we had box cutters on the plane. T. S. A. Has a brilliant idea, lets allow knives back on planes. Is there something that scares you every day . Yes not pocket knives. Its not pocket knives. Its carneys small hands. Go time. Theme all right with that welcome to the young turks. Lets have a fun show. Lets start the with president obama. He says hes reaches out and going to get beyond all the problems have washington. Obama the press has been reporting. The truth of the matter is all ive been doing is calling up folks and trying to see if we can break through some of the gobbledygook of our politics here. Cenk lets see how thats working out for him. Conservatives have this whole cpac convention in washington right now. Are they looking to get along with the president . Lets see if theyre in a reaching out mood. First the Republican Party needs to be a conservative party with no apologies. Second, it must recruit candidates who are not only principles conservatives, but articulate, as well. If we dont have candidates who can communicate these principles well, were going to lose election after election. Third, we must embrace the changing demographics of america, not by diluting our principles, but by reaching out to all americans. If there are those in the Republican Party who cannot subscribe to the principles, let them go their way. We should reach out to everybody, but if you dont agree with what i say get are you sure youre going to reach out to all . American way means we dont take hardearned money from your familys pocket to provide a better standard of living to those who are no willing to work. Cenk yeah lets reach out except those bums, i dont want them anywhere near us. Bold new ideas by the republicans. Lets bring in joe williams, the deputy chief of the boston globes washington bureau. Excellent guest on the young turks. Joe, how are you my friend . Good to see you again cenk. Cenk great to see you. Let me give you more fresh ideas. Im going to play a clip from marco rubio and lets see all the wonderful new ideas they have here. What i sense from a lot of people ive talked to is this fear that somehow america has changed, our people ever changed, weve reached this point in time and we have too many people in america that want too much from government that maybe the changes that have happened are irarrearsable and will never be the same again. I want you to understand thats not true. Ill tell you what the criticism on the left is going to be, number one he drank too much water, number two he didnt offer new ideas. Theres the fallacy of it. We dont need a new idea. There is an idea, the idea is called america and it still works. Cenk joe, two things i love about that. One is theyll criticize me for not having any ideas and i youre kind of right, i dont have any ideas. I got nothing. America and thats the other thick crow look, is that what its boiled down to, you just come down and do a political speech and say you know what im in favor are . America. It struck me, this was the first cpac, not the first conservative conference, but the first cpac ive been to. It reminded me of one of those monsters of rock tour where everybody goes to hear the hits. You dont go to hear the old stuff. You want to hear the old stuff you dont want to hear the new material. You want to hear low taxes deregular allegation, Smaller Government. You dont want to hear the new stuff, immigration reform, reaches out to minority voters or doing something about the medical expansion. Even rand paul, his remarks were wellreceived for the most part but fell flat when he started talking about not jail kids for marijuana use. That kind of sent a chill over the crowd. Basically, cpac from estimation is when you go to hear the hits and feel good that you joined in the conservative movements five day conference. Cenk its interesting you mentioned rand paul. Weve got both sides of what you mentioned here. I want to play the clip where hes playing the old hits. This would be born in the u. S. A. If i were it were springsteen. The gop of old has grown steal and moss covered. The Republican Party has to change by Going Forward to the classical and timeless ideas in our constitution. Its time for us to revive reagans law for liberty to expand, government must shrink. We must have a message that is broad, our vision must be broad and that must be based on freedom. Cenk oh Smaller Government and freedom, i didnt see that coming. Was there a single speech that did not mention Ronald Reagan . I would be hardpressed to find one. That one reminded me of the old joe biden riff about giuliani where he said subject verb, 9 11, youre trying to build this event and the speech really as moving forward. Their slogan had something about americas future, and youre doing nothing but hearkening back to the old idealogy of the conservative party and movement and talking about Ronald Reagan every other sentence. Thats not very forwardlooking. None of the speeches talked about the very real, pressing challenges we had medical reform with Health Care Costs driving the economy into bad places and the fact that the voting public is going to look vastly different than the cpac attendees do. Cenk thats a great point. Lets show the rand paul part of the speech that you mentioned earlier where and im curious how well this was received. This was one of the very few moments where they actually talked about doing something new. Ask the facebook generation whether we should put a kid in jail for the nonviolent crime of drug use and youll hear a resounding no ask the facebook generation if they want to bail out two big to fail banks with their tax dollars and youll hear a hell no. There is nothing conservative about bailing out wall street. Cenk im curious about that on two fronts, one how did the pot discussion go with the crowd and attendees and number two he talked about theres nothing conservative about bailing out banks except almost the entire Republican Party is in the pocket of the banks and i wonder if the audience realizes that disconnect. That was a perfect example of disconnect, because you did have something new. Talking about not jail kids for marijuana use which the old its an older crowd and theyre not with that, because thats not something they grew up with. They believe every drug use should be punished to the severest extent of the law. Were talking about an older generation. The too big to fail argument resonates. These are folks who shake their fist at the big guy at wall street with that that came home to they will. But also the irony even further, if you want to take it one ironic step even further the fact is that the bailout occurred under george bush, the last republican president , not president obama so that kind of irony was lost on it. The whole thing was a muddle. You had them talking about the need for are new ideas but hearkening back to all these old things and when he did bring up a new idea, no reaction from the crowd. Cenk my favorite congressman never at a loss for saying something totally interesting out of the most left field you could possibly mention, out of the stadium. Hes going all the way back to vietnam. Lets watch. Im not going to debate the merits of whether we should or should not have gone to vietnam but vietnam was winnable, but people in washington decided we would not win it cenk hes still talking about vietnam. Is it because of the older crowd, are they like oh, yeah, i remember when the departments wouldnt let us win vietnam. Speak to the smack of hippie, but vietnam really . Wasnt that war over sometime ago . It also talks the fact that this is an older crowd. Its an older crowd, this is a picture, a snapshot of the conservative voter of who romney won handily. Here and there, you would find a few younger people, minority voters, very clean cut professional looking nothing like the occupy wall street crowd who would be very happy to upset the apple cart at the convention. The older crowd, it was a with it wango tango. Thats the kind of red meat they expect. Theyre uncomfortable with new stuff, dont even try it. Cenk theyre going back to like being crosby. All right joe williams, a pleasure as always. Thank you. Thank you for sharing your excellent experience of the cpac. My excellent adventure. Cenk when we come back, it was box cutters that did it in on 9 11, but the t. S. A. That makes you get rid of your toothpaste and take off your shoes say go ahead, bring them on the plane. John pistole will play this video for lawmakers today showing who you small amount of chemicals can put a very big hole in a piece of metal like a fuselage in a plane. vo the answer in a moment. Brought to you by expedia. Expedia helps 30 million travellers a month find what they are looking for one traveller at a time. Cenk t. S. A. Administrator john pistole said were going allow knives back on planes. That took a lot of people by surprise. It was box cutters that did us in on 9 11. Today he had to defend his decision in front of a Homeland Security subcommittee and here is part of his testimony. Pistoles decision has sparked outrage. The union that represents 44,000t. S. A. Officers, officers, flight attendants have all voiced outrage. It is the wrong way to go, and we will not stop until this policy reversed. Yesterday American Airlines became the third Major Carrier to ask t. S. A. To abandon its plan. Congressman has introduced to bill to stop the agency from getting its idea off the ground. T. S. A. Will give this blade a boarding pass and tell this other blade that it is banned. The t. S. A. Policy makes no sense. Cenk all right well get to John Pistoles testimony in a second and hear from the flight attendants. Let me tell you what is allowed on planes. Blades shorter than six center meters blades with a width no more than half inch at whitest point. The knife does not have a locking or fixed blade and knife does not have a molded grip. If it does not have those, it is allowed back in. When they asked pistole about this, he said thats not what keeps me up at night, its other risks. In your intelligence briefs, is there something that scares you every day . Yes and its not pocket knives. What is it . Nonmetallic improvised explosive devices bombs that are very small concealable. He will play this video for lawmakers today showing how a small amount of chemicals can put a very big hole in a piece of metal like a fuselage in that plane. Pistole said the addition of hardened cockpit doors has made it extremely difficult to highjack a plane with a knife. Cenk lets bring in president of the Southwest Airlines Flight Attendants Union joining us from dallas texas. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Cenk john pistole says i have the hardened cockpit doors. Its going to be ok. Whats your answer to that . Hes right. Weve discussed that before, theyre not probably going to be able to get behind that cockpit door and get it open and we agree with that. Thats not the issue. The issue is making us safe, and so far especially since 9 11, there have been zero incidents of any type of incident in the cabin like that, so why change this now . Ive also told you before, why land an airplane with people harmed injured maybe even dead in the back of cabin and the pilots are just fine . It just doesnt make sense at all. Cenk i mentioned you are in dallas, texas. That appears to be a giant capitol behind you. Im guessing youre actually in d. C. At the hearings, right . Yes sir, i am. I came up to d. C. And theyre trying to convert me he to be a red skin fan. Cenk probably not going to work. Not going to happen. Cenk i do have an answer for why they are doing this, but want to give you a lifted of things no longer prohibited. The knives, knitting needles scissors matches, light years,. Drivers no longer than seven inches long. My guess is theyre wasting a lot of time taking arpaneting needles from people and knives seem crazy but theres probably a ton of people with Swiss Army Knives and hes saying i want to get behind that, its a giant hassle not really causing a problem. What would be your honest to that. I understand what hes trying to say. In 2005 they started letting scissors knitting needles on, we werent happy with it, but looking at people coming through, you know if you have a maybe 10 guys walk on they all have one screwdriver in their bag or a pair of scissors in their bag thats not normal, and you should be taking a look at that. It never really bothered me that you do have those coming on, because nine times out of 10, they are with a woman or someone thats going to need those doing knitting, so i think its ludicrous at this point to then have all these knives come on and basically what youre saying is everybody, it doesnt matter who you are, whether or not or not youre on a list, been profiled in whatever way they profile you, youre going to be coming on with that knife or those other items and thats just not what we want to see at all. Cenk i want to show you some of John Pistoles testimony. This one they asked him about a scored nateed takeover and highjacking of a plane. I want to get your reaction. Well, sir youre asking if i think whether individuals with those small pocket knives can take over an aircraft, i dont think so, because of other security we have in place including officers armed in the cockpit, the hardened cockpit doors to the response of the valiant crew and passengers. If we had a group of terrorists, if you will, get on a plane here in the u. S. , without anybody else in the u. S. Intelligence, Law Enforcement community knowing about those they havent come up on anybodys radar, then weve had a failure of the National Security program, rather than just at a check point. Do you take that to mean dont worry about it, the flight attendants will take care of it. They might be in trouble but at least it wont affect the pilot. I do. To be honest with you, you know, john has a really hard job. I admire him for what hes doing, but its really arrogant to look at it that way. If you look back before 9 11, you know, look, someone failed miserably on the security job then and now what were saying and this is what hes saying, hes saying that if this happens, something goes wrong on this we failed miserably. Weve proven that we can fail miserably and that can start with 9 11. Im not the one but those that are not willing to listen or learn from history are doomed to rhett it, and that is very scary when i listen to that. Cenk stacy martin, president of Southwest Airlines Flight Attendants Union. Thank you for shedding light on this. We appreciate it. Thump you have a good day. Cenk you, as well. Cenk when we come back, the heart of darkness, a new documentary of dick cheney. That co directors going to be in the studio and well ask him about what really motivates dick dick cheney. My main fault. Well, i dont spend a lot of time thinking about my faults, i guess would be the answer. vo connect with the young turks with cenk uygur. Its go time. Cenk tomorrow night show time is going to present a come tory about dick cheney. I cant wait to tivo it. Ive got to watch that. Its got great interviews from cheney and rumsfeld. Integrity. What do you consider your main fault . My main fault. Well, i dont spend a lot of time thinking about my faults, i guess would be the answer. If youre not prepared to have critics and to be subject to criticism then, you know, wrong line of work. If you want to be loved go be a movie star. Cenk man that guy hasnt changed at all. Its a fascinating look. The coed door joins us in the studio, great to have you here. Hes also worked on superman. And the bio pick on president obama in the Democratic Convention nicely done. How did you guys get there . We first approached him in august of 2011, and at that time, he didnt say yes but didnt say no, either. We were told that patience was the key to, you know, sort of getting an answer out of him. Ultimately, it wasnt until february of 2012 when he finally agreed. Cenk im curious why he would agree. Was there ok, let me ask you this. Was there any ground rules . No, there were no ground rules, no. Interesting. No. So, and did he ever tell you guys why you as opposed to im sure he must have been asked many times for interviews along these lines. Im not sure, you know, if he has. Im not sure if hed been approached for Something Like this. I dont know that anyone has certainly no ones done a film or any type of piece on him with this, to this extent, you know. Cenk i wonder if hell say yes to us. Maybe well do a t. Y. T. Documentary on him. Waterboarding, you got that in the movie. I want to show a clip. When you talk about drawing a line, you dont consider a prolonged period of creating the sensation of drowning, you dont consider . I dont tell us what terrorist attacks you would have let go forward because you didnt want to be mean and nasty fella. Are you going to trade the lives of a number of people because you want to preserve your hunter . Cenk so totally unrepentant. Totally unrepentant. Theres a man of great conviction. Cenk for better or worse. I read a criticism of the movie where they said you should have done more foliums and said there was no ticking time bomb, you could use one of the instances where we tortured the guy in egypt and got the false information about iraq and used it to attack iraq. How do you respond . There often were follow ups which led to the same answers you know hes a man of great conviction, as i said, he was a man of very succinct answers and early on, we decided in the way we were going to make this film that we were going to milwaukee it the way we did where it wasnt going to be a hatchet job or fluff piece but we were going to concentrate on the elements of truth like you have people back up that were uncorroborated. Cenk what did you get out of it. You do the whole interview with him. Youve seen a lot more than just whats in the documentary. What was your sense of dick cheney . My sense is that he hes a man who does not like to look back on the past. He likes to look forward. He he does not like to examine the possibility of mistakes that might have happened in the past or, you know, to even go ahead. Cenk isnt that amazing. It is. Cenk ive made probably a thousand mistakes in my life, and i cant its a weird scene that you almost get out of the movie like no conscience on the torture waterboarding, et cetera and no conscience on thinking back maybe i should have done that a little different. Hell, i did it, tortured, invaded the wrong country no conscience. Is that an accurate read of it . I would say so. I think that thats the way that he lives his life, and thats the way that we all know that he operated in his career. Cenk tell me the up side. Is dick cheney light and fluffy, you know, personally, like hey buddy, how are you doing big guy, lets go to a movie and have popcorn. One thing that surprised me the most about him the most was hishis wit and sense of humor. Its not usually on display for the general public, but he can be dryly funny. Cenk you didnt make the mistake of going hunting. No. Cenk great you want to see whats really funny, ill shoot you in the face. Be careful. I want to get back to the serious stuff on the w. M. D. s. You have clips where he was proven wrong. Lets watch a piece of it here. We didnt find stockpiles. We did find that he had the capability, and we believed he had the in tent. Think of how often Vice President cheney told us that we were in imminent danger from an attack from Sadaam Hussein because of arsenal of biological women and rebuilding of the Nuclear Weapons in iraq. That was the reason that we did it, and then we found out that we were duped cenk so there was no w. M. D. Even if you have no conscience, youve got to at least say all right, well, my bad, i was wrong about that. He doesnt say that. No, he says that, you know, as other people in the film say that when the facts change around him, you know, the, you know, he will then sort of adapt his argument, so it became, you know, where it was earlier and previously had been we know for sure theres no doubt that there are w. M. D. s in iraq, well, we know that Sadaam Hussein had the in tent to build w. M. D. s. Cenk i always found that to be hilarious. If in his mind he could have had the in tent to build weapons at a later time. Isnt that the whole entire world . Couldnt you innovate ethiopia because many one of their leaders secretly in their mind had the intention to build a weapon at a later time . Of course. Cenk its amazing. One more thing about that. As i watched his reaction to that and whether in interviews in the past or in the movie i get a sense that hes more than that hes saying i was just making it up anyway, like i dont care that there was no w. M. D. , because that wasnt the point. So like if w. M. D. Was the point even dick cheney might think ooh, god, we got that one wrong. Its almost a tacid admission i never cared about it anyway, i wanted to invade the country no matter what. He would say that, you know, they didnt find stockpiles. They never found the evidence, but that they were there that we just didnt find the evidence of it. Cenk so full of it. I mean, and did you get all right, now im going to get more speculative. Did you get any sense of his real motivation for invading iraq . I genuinely think that he thinks that he kept the country safe, and that it was i think that he became kite focused on keeping the country safe after 9 11. Cenk i dont believe it at all. I believe in his paranoid mind, the 1 doctrine written about if theres even a slight threat, ill butcher everybody. Thats the up side for cheney. The down side is iraq wasnt a threat. He knew that. We know they didnt have the weapons of mass destruction because we sold it to them and watched them destroy it. Went into iraq partly because of the oil. Of course he did. Hes absolutely lying if he said he didnt. He talks about the 1 doctrine in the film. Cenk what does he say . He said its true he did operate that way. You had to be 100 certain that there were no wmds in order to be certain. Cenk oh, well, then. 99 certainty. Cenk under that philosophy, you would have a invade every single country in the world. The one country that while dick cheney was in charge built Nuclear Weapons was North Carolina korea and we never invaded them. Interesting. Craig, one last question, is there any oil in north korea . Is there any oil in north korea . Im not an oil man. Cenk ill answer it for you. No, there is no oil in north korea. Interesting coincidence. From the new movie world according to dick cheney, it premieres tomorrow night on show time. Thank you for coming in. When we come back, an interesting discussion with gentleman giving shotguns to women to defend themselves. I disagree with that philosophy. There are two women hovering through his training. We will have a lively conversation when we come back. With Award Winning documentaries that take you inside the headlines. Real, gripping, current. Documentaries. On current tv. Hersheys Simple Pleasures chocolate. 30 less fat, 100 delicious. [ male announcer ] its red lobsters lobsterfest our Largest Selection of lobster entrees like lobster lovers dream or new grilled lobster and lobster tacos. Come in now and sea food differently. Visit redlobster. Com now for an exclusive 10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. Cenk were back on the young turks. Theres a bill in the senate the to ban assault weapons. They had a discussion about it today in the Senate Judiciary committee and it got heated. It passed 108, all the republicans voted. The First Amendment shall apply only to the following books and not to the books that congress has deemed outside the protection of the bill of rights. One im not a sixth grader. Senator, ive been on this committee for 20 years. Ive looked at bodies that have been shot with these weapons approximate. This does not prohibit, you use the word prohibit, it exempts 2,271 weapons. Isnt that enough for the people in the United States . Cenk damn, stuff just got real. All right. Apparently not a lot of bipartisan agreement on that issue, but one man is taking things into his own hands in houston, texas. Kyle copeland is executive director of arm citizens project. Org. Apparently theyre having some issues over there. Now, those are two people involved in kyles program first, welcome everybody, and kyle, tell me what your programs a you will about. Thanks for having us on. So, im the founder of a nonprofit called the armed citizen project. Were doing two things, one a study where were arming an entire neighborhood in houston high crime area and measure that increased perception of fire articles. The community has on crime rates. In the meantime, we are arming and training single women and Vulnerable Women in highcrime areas. Cenk let me start with cindy. Dug through the program and why did you do that . Yes i did go through the program, the reason why is i am a single mother. I live alone and i just wanted to know how to protect myself in the event that anything have did happen at my home that i would need to do so. All right now its very understandable. Im going to talk to you in a second about why i think its a bad idea. Maureen, what were you taught in the program and what did you get out of it . I was taught a greet deal about the weapon that i was going to be given and was taught how to protect myself. We had a tremendously experienced trainer dan and he taught us anything and everything about the gun. We spent a long day with him a lot of hours and we were able to practice with the weapon. Cenk so these are shotguns that you learned to use . Yes, sir. Cenk ok. First, all right now before i get into why i think its a bad idea kyle, these wouldnt be banned at all under any of these laws, it goes after assault rifles, not shotguns. Are you ok with the law then . Oh, absolutely not but thats not a fight that my organizations getting involved with. Were a Charitable Organization arming and training women so were not interested in talking assault weapons. If you want to talk assault weapons, talk to the n. R. A. Cenk all right. Fair enough. Lets get to it. Social science and met 16 in 2007 did a study and realized that states with the highest gun ownership rates have a gun murder rate 114 higher than those with the lowest gun ownership rates. Let me give you one other fact. In the risk of homes the risk of homicide is three times higher in homes with fire arms. Cindy, doesnt that scare you a little bit . No. Im home alone. Im more afraid of whos going to come to my door, which someday has already at 2 00, 3 00 in the morning that i didnt know. It took the police about 10 minutes to get there. I want to be able to defend myself and my son. Who knows what could happen in those 10 minutes. Cenk cindy i got a son, too and a daughter. Id be 10 times more scared, in fact, according to the numbers i should be 43 times more scared that hes going to get ahold of the gun and hurt himself. New england journal of medicine study, a gun kept in the home was 43 times more likely to be involved in the death of a member of the household than to be used in self defense. 43 times put a gun lock on it. Cenk everybody says that. Listen, we know people that drive cars more likely to get in car accidents. Youre saying if a guns in the home its more likely to be used in like a suicide. Cenk and accidents. People driving are more likely to get involved in a car accident. I dont understand. Cenk ill explain it to you. Cars not meant to kill people. Theyre meant to drive from point a to point b. Guns are meant to kill people. Guns are flourished to stop crime. Just pulling a gun on someone having a gun to use 90 of the time stops that crime from happening. Cenk you are 43 times more likely to get yourself killed if youve got a gun in the house protecting yourself. Its a fantasy. So, what is someone to do in that 30 minutes it takes for an officer to get there. You are on your own at that time. The people that think there shouldnt be private ownership of guns, they are simply pro rapist in my opinion. Cenk you are absurd. Im the absurd one. Cenk im pro keeping your kids alive. If youve got a gun in the house, theyre so much more likely to die. Let me give you a study on that. Ages 514, study done between 2003 and 2007. High gun states, your fantasy of everybodys got a gun yeah, kids dying on average 139 kid deaths in the high gun states, only 59 in the low gun states. Eighty suicide in the high gun states, seven in the low gun states. 82 unintentional deaths in the high gun states and eight in the low gun states. You guys are unfortunately dead wrong. You are more likely to die if youve got a gun in the house. So if youre throwing in situations like we just had in houston where an untragedy where we had a 4yearold that shot himself with his fathers gun. If youre throwing that situation in where the father who was a drug dealer had stolen a handgun and left it out on the table passed out on drugs if youre considering that as being on the same level as legal gun owners owning weapons responsibly and storing them safely then youve got a context problem. Cenk you know what it is . Youre using an extreme example but i can give you many more. Im using extreme examples. Youre saying that all gun owners that somedays going to die in the home. Cenk cindy im not saying that. No . Cenk no, not everybody is going to get killed, but youre more likely to get killed on that gun. Im not out to kill anybody. Im out to defend myself. Exactly. If youre not trained on the weapon, well then of course, that accident can happen, but cindy and my case, we both have children and intend to train our children to be able to use it and to not be afraid of it. Cenk thats sump a terrible idea how old is your child . When are you going to train them . How old is your child maureen . My child is three years old and i plan to, in toned show him how to use this weapon and how to protect himself. Cenk when . How old . When hes maybe five or six. Cenk oh, maureen, dont do it youre going to train your kid to use a gun at five or six . You can ruin a five or 6yearold. You would rather someone come into my home and me not be able to protect him. Are you going to come and defend her when somebody breaks in . Cenk we have cops to do that. Theyre trained not your 5yearold. It takes 10 minutes for them to arrive. I had shots fired outside my house. It took 45 minutes for police to arrive. We didnt know if someone was shot if bullets had gone through a wall somewhere. 45 minutes. When seconds count police are minutes away. Hes probably not from hawn. Cenk im not from houston but unlike. He lives where Everybody Knows each other. Cenk what i have is facts. Ive told you over and over again that you can get killed with your own gun. People kill people, guns dont. Im not out to kill anybody. Im out to defend myself. Cenk i understand that. Im not going to shoot them in the head or heart. Im going for a limb. Cenk i know that. Its not to shoot to kill, sir. Cenk no, no. Thou shall not kill. Im catholic. Cenk cindy and maureen youre not getting it. I dont think youre out to kill anybody. Of course not. But youre calling me a killer im not a killer. Im a defender. Cenk you dont get it. Its not intentional. You think the people who accidentally shot their kids or their kids accidentally shot themselves thought this will be a great idea . Its not intentional. My son is 21, hes away in college. Hes not going to do that. When a kid shoots himself i guarantee it. Cenk where were the parents . If you ran the parents it would be that it was probably a handgun. Cenk i know, you guys are not they use their thumbs to pull the trigger. Cenk you guys are super human so theyre never going to make a mistake. You guys got this on lockdown, theyre never going to make a mistake, like this story i did have a guy who took his 7yearold kid into a gun shop to do whatever he was going to do with it. He took the gun in the car he put it in the car they left a bullet in the chamber he shot him in the head. They make mistakes. Kyle, there are 300 million guns in the country, 300 million. Youre going to ma to make mistakes, someday in your familys going to die. Not in my house. Gun deaths caused by criminals and suicide there arent that many. Cenk no i have the facts there are that many and its more likely. Guys, i love you dont get me wrong. A gun is used 400,000 times a year to stop crimes. How many lives saved by guns . You know, if we can only save one life, but you dont walk the walk. Cenk were way out of time. I hope i dont have you back on the show when you change your mind for all the wrong reasons. I hope not. I hope everything goes well for you guys. Weve got to go to a break. Young turks. Cenk were back on the young turks, pope francis theres a group called snap, survivor of priests. They had come up with a list of a dozen cardinals that should not be pope because of their history. He was not on it. I want to bring in peter eisley to talk about the list. Who was on the lust and why . Well, all of these cardinals on the list involved in the cover up of sex crimes, some come from United States, but all of them are on because they covered up child sex crimes or had tuesday and statements and opinions that were so terrible when it comes to dealing with this issue. Cenk so Cardinal Bergolio was not on that list. Is he better on this issue . Were just finding out about him. He comes from latin america. The Abuse Victims are just beginning to come forward in that part of the world. Theyre like 20 years behind. We do know that they do not have zero tolerance for sexual abuse by priests in that part of the world, there is no church law that requires that a brief who has assaulted a child be removed from ministry in the diocese he came from. Whats most important about him is his name, francis. If theres some hope to have, its about francis of asisi the person he chose to pick at his spiritual guy. He stood up for social justice, francis, a beloved universally around the world stood up to the pope. I think this pope is challenging us to challenge him to live up to that name. He has got to immediately declare zero tolerance. The most disturbing thing thats happened so far he today met with cardinal law. I dont know if the vatican thought the world was going to find out about this, he had a discreet meeting. Cardinal law the notorious cardinal that covered up sex crimes in boston, and we issued a letter today before we knew about the meeting with cardinal law, by we, 12,000 victims in our organization around the world, and we want to meet with this new pope, start a new dialogue. Surely if he can meet with cardinal law hes got to meet with us and with victims immediately. Weve got to begin a dialogue about child protection, weve got to begin reforms. Cenk weve got less than 30 seconds left. Other than zero tolerance and the meeting what else would you want the new hope to do . Hes got to hold accountable including jesuits in his own order, anybody in position of leadership that covered up these child sex crimes including cardinals and archbishops around the world. That he has got to do along with zero tolerance. Cenk thanks for joining us. One final point before we go when we come back