deadly violence. 13 people wounded this weekend so far. >> is it drugs? is it guns? or is it lack of cops on the street? >> a really interesting and important story, very important to communities like chicago. and then we have one more story for you guys. victory in virginia. >> breaking news from the university of virginia where after weeks of scrutiny the board has unanimously voted to reinstate the president, teresa sullivan. >> so how did we beat the corporatists in uva? >> a great story. and then an unfortunate story, a conservative wants to beat nuns trying to help poor people. not kidding. it's on the show. it's go time! >> all right. new polls out on president obama's healthcare proposal and legislation. well, guess what? turns out the country doesn't like it. what can we do? the number is 56 against and 44% in favor. they must not like it. it is what it is. if you are a politician running against it they are more likely to vote for you. 44% saying if somebody is backing a repeal they will be in favor of that politician. let me see that one. then 26% saying, less likely if trying to repeal the law, so meaning if you are trying to repeal it, we are more likely to vote for you. we don't like the law. we like trying to repeal it. okay. where is the hitch? here is the hitch. when you ask them how they feel about the different provisions in the law, they actually love it. let me show you those numbers. 82% said, yeah, we would like to ban insurance companies from denying pre-existing conditions. wait a minute. >> that's the heart of the law. so 82% of the country says they love the heart of this law. so why do you hate the law? i don't know. all right. let's keep going. how about moving insurance to cut off age of 26 rather than younger? well 61% are in favor of that. so they love that too. how about companies with 50-plus employees must provide insurance? 72% in favor. in other words, they love almost everything about the law except they have been told that they shift hate the law. so i don't like that law. i like everything in it, though. there is one thing they don't like, of course. and that's the mandate. those numbers are clear. 39% in favor, 61% against. whose idea was the mandate? heritage foundation. most conservative think tink in the country, richard nixon, george h.w. bush. orrin hatch. >> one conservative idea in the bill, they hate it. by the way a third of the respondents also said i don't like the bill because i think it should do more not less. okay? all of the sudden the country hates the law. look. why is this happening? there are three principal reasons why the country gets this misinformed. they don't know what's in it or who proposed it in the first place. they don't know it was conservatives who the put it in there. we didn't ask for the mandate. that wasn't a progressive idea. if they knew what was in it, they might actually love the law. so how do we get misinformed? number 1, giantaments of republican propaganda. on this issue, alone, they ran $235 million worth of as against the healthcare law, ads like this: aaaah >> president obama again throwing seniors off the cliff. >> we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it. >> three years later, we know. and it's not what we were promised. >> president obama promised my patients that they could keep me. because of this new healthcare law, i can't keep them. >> see, these are the corporations who don't want to give you good service, who want to capture the government and make profits not by giving you good service but by buying our politicians. what do they do? spend hundreds of millions of dollars to deceive you. and they are not alone, of course. fox news is a 24/7 pop pa began a machine. listen to what they said about healthcare. >> democrats took what critics call death panels outed of the healthcare plan but they have been made part of a federal regulation. if you can't legislate it, enforce it. >> the "new york times" picks up on this story and we are scratching our heads, the death panels somehow are back. >> you are scaring old people tucker. >> bringing to light something our government is doing to us our elected representatives are asking their supporters to keep quiet. >> 24/7, propaganda for the republicans and sarah palin again today tweeted out. remember, fox news con tributed contributor, i told you the death panels are in the bill. they keep lying and there is a second part to this. the democrats don't fight back. and oftentimes, they accept the republican position and it almost always backfires. it backfired on the mandate. remember when president obama thought more offshore drilling which was proposed by the republicans was a brilliant idea and he said this: ? >> today, we are announcing the expansion of offshore oil and gas exploration. we will employ new technology to reduce the impact of oil exploration, protect areas vital to tourism, the environments and national security. my administration will which were the mid and south atlantic and gulf of mexico. >> brilliant except doing more drilling as a way to get to energy solutions in this country. what happens a couple of weeks after? this. >> giant oil rig which exploded and burned and now has sunk into the ocean off of the coast of louisiana. >> a day and a half after the deep water hor eyesizon exploded flames if he had by crude from the bottom of the sea were too big to contain. >> oops. then the jobs act, a republican idea that had nothing to do with jobs. it had to do with deregulating ip is -- ipo. >> this bill represents the bi-partisan action we should take in washington to help our economy. >> our job is to help our companies grow and hire. >> a little over a month later, what happens? the facebook ipo. >> facebook the public offering was one of the most anticipated in recent history. now among the most controversial controversial. >> the stock is down more than a quarter of value since the ipo, closing below $30 yesterday for the first time. >> the massachusetts attorney general has stepped in and issued a subpoena as to what one analyst might have been telling the institutional clients at morgan stanley about the revenue prospects for facebook. >> you accept the more drilling idea, you get deep water horizon. you accept more deregulation for ipos, you get the disaster facebook ipo. stop accepting their ideas. they are bad ideas. you should fight them. you should make your own case. look, we didn't get what we wanted. we didn't get sing-payer. we didn't get medicare buy-in. we didn't get the public option. make your case and state what's in the law so people aren't miss # informed. you are the president. what happens when you do? president obama steps out and says i am in favor of gay marriage and we have shown youyou on the show over and over again, poll numbers for gay marriage are rising rising rising. it turns out when you take a stand, you can make a difference. and in the third part of this, it's not just republicans and democrats. it's the media. it's the constantly calling them even when it ain't even. so we had a state representative, in fact, a house majority leader for the republicans in the state of pennsylvania. he comes out, and he was going to talk about voter id. remember voter fraud? nonsense. he accidentally admits what it's actually about. >> voter id which is going to allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania done. [applause.] >> it's going to allow romney to win the state of pennsylvania. it was never about voter fraud. when the press reports said it was about voter fraud, they are furthering republican lies and propaganda. let me show you what a nonsense issue voter fraud is. in the state of florida, did you know that there are actually more shark attacks than voter fraud in this three-year period? what the hell is the problem? are we doing massive campaigns against shark attacks? no. it's republican propaganda. it ain't about voter fraud. it's so blacks and latinos can't vote so republicans can win. press, you've got to stop calling it even. you have to do your job and report the facts. just because the republicans say one thing and the democrats say another or don't say anything doesn't mean you report the republican position if it isn't true. when you come to this look at this because of all of the hype around the constitutionality of the healthcare law, now the supreme court is considering it and you've got all of that republican propaganda out there in the press, in june -- i'm sorry. in april, it was 63% of independent opposed to the law. now, all of the sudden it's 73%. in just a short period of time, it's gone up. why? because the media keeps recording it -- recordporting it over and over again. look at this mandate obama wants. i don't know about this law. the numbers rise for more unpopularity. media, do your job. democrats, do your job. and republicans, stop lying to us. well, that i know you won't do. so the other two better step up. all right. now, when we come back we have several stories for you guys. it's a disaster in chicago in terms of the crime. why? we are going to dive into why this issue is happening. then we've got a victory at the university of virginia. how we fought against corporate corporatists and actually won this time! the airplanes are going to get from one part of the country to the other without any air traffic controllers. i mean this is ridiculous and mitt romney ought to know better. i stand with our public employees and cops and firefighters and their teachers? >> earlier on the young turks, we told you about this controversy at the university of virginia where they had basically told their president she has to step down. otherwise, they were basically going to fire her. why? we tried to figure it out. we had a conservative on air. it turns out some of the board members are listening to weird corporate messages about how they've got to go to online education and privatize and make more profit. what in the world are we talking about? it turns out when they tried it, the virg of virginia the students, professors almost everyone involved hated that decision. what happened today? this. >> we can go forward with what is best for the university only if we go forward together. >> the person who led the charge to ditch sullivan is hellen dragus, the leader of uva's board much visit orders. she said she met with sullivan before today's vote and in the end, she joined in the nam vote to keep sullivan. uva students from the dc area say this was the right thing to do. >> the way they handled it originally was n my opinion, bad, the way to fix it was good. plus, it brought the community together. >> all right. you know, we've got a victory here the president was brought back. it seems amazing. by the way, hellen dragus seems like a character out of a comic book like the evil character hellen dragus comes in. we find out there is a rich donor, geoff walker a major donor and he had written an e-mail to dragus saying online learning world has reached the top of the line universities and we need these strategies or be left behind. what? you want the university of virginia one of the best schools to turn into phoenix university or some nonsense? looking to make a buck. it turns out draggus is on board. she writes an e-mail to one of her fellow board members saying we can't afford to wait, and what can't she every day to wait for? she puts a link to a "wall street journal" edit oral where she say: >> yeah. they have. so they can make a buck. but their students are in disastrous shape. i can give you a sense of it. for-profit colleges, if i went to the uva, i feel dirty for putsing those in the same sentence: it's not their fault but their institution fails them. they represent 46 percents of all student loan dollars in default. so they go there thinking they are going to get a good education and they get snookerred instead. they want to turn uva into that? thank god, they lost. all right. now, i am going to bring in vadia nasin at the university of village and talk to me about what was going on here. first of all, as best as you can ascertain, what was the motivation of the board here in trying to get rid of the president? >> you know, from day one, we, meaning the faculty, kept pressing the board to give us a clear list of the things on which the president disagreed with the board or the things that the president did wrong or sort of, you know goals she might have missed. but there was silence. silence for weeks. let me tell you these people are supposed to be running major corporations in their real lives and yet they seem completely tone deaf to basic messaging. they seemed tone deaf to branding. they ended up hurting the university of virginia's brand terribly to the point we were losing donations, losing students losing faculty. it was a real disaster for two weeks and we were very worried about the future of this university. fundamental fundamentally, helen dragas did say turns out to be the truth. it's fillphilosophical differences. she is not much of a philosopher but from the best we can gather looking at the e-mails that were flying among the board members but looking at some things some e-mails written by some of the billionair hedge fund alum who were working bind the scenes to make this all happen is clearly they wanted to impose an mba mentality on the university. they wanted the university to be much faster to work in a top-down fashion. they wanted, you know a corporate ceo figure at the head of the university and not a distinguished academic who has a real talent at bringing a diverse group of stakeholders together for a common mission. >> right. >> it basically came down to the fact that they were in charge of an amcademic institution and they didn't want to be in charge of an academic institution. they wanted someone like them someone of their class, someone who might socialize with them someone who could close the deal with a hedge fund billionaire on a yacht somewhere and sullivan is a leader of higher education. >> it doesn't make sense at all because if you wanted the uva to be more profitable or more reputable, you wouldn't go in the direction of making it more like a for-profit college. i mean to be success. what kind of clown thinks let me take a top 25 school in the can't tree and destroy its brand and reputation by associating it with some of the least successful schools in the whole country? >> you know, when you have ideological blinders on, this is what happens. when all you read are david brook columns and a handful of power points that consultants bring you you know this is what really happens and it's really a shame. all of these folks who -- a very small group who led this ouster. they have uva diplomas. i think we must have failed them. they never learned how to analyze data how to judge arguments, how to construct an argument. the basic things you would learn in my class they never got to. i think what happened here was they are so proud of their own success and without any regard to the damage they may have done to the rest of us with their shenanigans in the economy but they are so proud of their success that they are convinced they have the only way of doing things. their particular set of aboutsbuzz words and ideology their spreadsheet way of thinking about the world is what they want to map onto everybody else. higher education is not the only place. we saw this flash point at the university of virg. we had a student uprising and an alum up rise. this is happening in public school districts all over america, happening to every other public institution, prisons, parks, hospitals, seeing a steady move toward privatization and with a mba mentality with very little actual thought and analysis. we are losing a sense of the commitment to the public. >> all right. i want to bring in someone else to this conversation julia bond, former head of naacp, legendary civil rights leader and provensor at the university of virginia. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> let's talk about the board a little bit because, you know, siva was saying they have the spreadsheet ideology but it i am applies they would -- implies they would be good at it. i run a business. it's not let's associate our brand with the crappiest brand in america is not a good business or spreadsheet idea. >> successful business people who have made a great living for themselves at running businesses, and the head of the board of visitors' case she inherited this business from her father and because of that they assume i am good at this. therefore, i would be good at this other thing. and of course we all know just because you are good at number 1 doesn't mean you are good at number 2. >> you said something critical. she inherited from her dad? >> her dad left her a business a successful business as a home developer. >> who are they appointed by? the governor? >> the governor. succession of republican and democrat governors. the present governor will appoint five new people. so he will make the board in his image. who knows who he will pick. the important thing is not a single one of them is an educator. there is not a single educator on these boards. >> i want to let the audience know that the one thing that binds them together is every single one of the people has given a political contribution to a politician and that's why they got on that board in the first place. >> that's not the way to pick a board for one of the finest universities in the country. but, you know, siva made a good point there, julian and i read an article today about how this is the 99% fighting back and winning in a sense here. >> that's what happened. he is right to say this is a temporary victory. this is going on around the country in a variety of fields. i am sure you saw the stories in "the new york times" over the last week about the privatization of the prisoners under governor corzine and how that's turned just into chaos. prisoners are escaping every day because they have these non-prison prisons holding prisoners. if this is sweeping the country, we are going to hell in a hand basket. >> even if they make a profit for themselves isn't the state school the university of village, one of the best schools in the country, to educate? haven't we forgotten? it's true with the prisons, too. like if you have a for-profit prison why would they want to rehabilitate anybody? they wouldn't. they want more prisoners. so, you know, that's the thing. >> our core mission is to take young people from the state of virg and give them the tools it takes to major a better future. right? we are not in the business of training. we are in the business of educating, inspiring and empowering, and that's a very different set of verbs. it takes a very different set of skills. now, we could do things more e filthy, better. we are constantly working at that. if the director had called me, i would have put her in touch with some amazing colleagues doing innovative things in the classroom. she might have gone away impressed instead of angry and vindictive about the way we do things at the university of virginia. >> that's one thing. the second thing is, she doesn't seem to recognize the other things we do. here at the university of virginia we heal injuries. we set broken bones and cure cancer. we train the special education teachers who fill the schools of virginia and help people who really need to be helped. you know we make sure that people that there are people who can play the chello and -- cello and can conduct an orchestra. we make sure we understand where we come from. professor bond for years has been teaching students at the university of village, where we came from how we got here and his role in that. >> that's the sort of wisdom that we impart to students. we do not inject data facts and knowledge into them. we bring them along on a story and we release them into the world to do better things than we have done and that's what's being lost. sixty years ago, this country started a massive investment in public higher education. every state in the nation in a race to have the best public university systems. and so many of them built those systems. but look how we are dismantling the university of california system. look at the damage we have done to the university of texas system. you know the university of virginia is the one place we have made a stand but we have a lot more work to do. >> all right. two great professors from the university of virginia speaking out. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. >> when we come back we have a massive problem in chicago, murder rate is way up. why is it up? could it be part of what we are talking about here? if you take away cops on the street, you might have problems in the street. we will talk about the reasons when we come back. >> chicago's image has been defined by shots heard and seen around the world. usually snippets of carnage and mayhem. sir... excuse me, excuse me... can i get you to sign off on the johnson case... ♪ we built this city! ♪ don't let food hang around. ♪ on rock & roll! ♪ [ orbit trumpet plays ] clean it up with orbit! [ ding! ] fabulous! for a good clean feeling... eat. drink. chew orbit. >> all right. here is a report from a station in chicken. let's watch. >> this year chicago's image has been defined by shots heard and seen around the world, usually snippets of carnage and mayhem. >> the city continues to deal with the deadly violence thirteen people wounded this weekend so far, including that 14-year-old boy who was shot and killed in inc.lewood. there is still an unacceptsable level of violence in the city. so far this weekend, four people, including two children are dead and at least 26 people have been wounded in weekend shootings. >> now, speaking of the carnage, let me give you the numbers. so far this year 248 people have been killed in chicago. >> that's up 38% from last year. by comparison we have lost less men in afghanistan and new york and l.a. their murder rate is down. something is wrong in chicago. here is some of what rom i am manuel has done. he is the new mayor of chicago, consolidated three police districts and combined police and fire headquarters. could that be part of the issue? we will have that discussion. in order to help me with that discussion, we are going to bring in jeremy with the chicagotrip tribune. let's talk about the different possibilities here obviously, it has something to do with gang warfare. why now as opposed to before? does it have to do with extra guns? is it cutting back on the police? what is it? >> well cenk, you know, a lot of what has been said by superintendent mccarthy is that gangs have been splintering off into factions. so, you know historically in this city you would see one, you know, gang going up against another gang in the neighborhood. and a lot of those gang leaders over the years have gone to jail. there is an absence of leadership. therefore, a lot of these gangs have splinterred off into factions. so you will see warring factions within one gang going at each other, not just one gang going against another. >> so jeremy let me stop you therefore a second because that's interesting because you know what that reminds me of? it reminds me of the problem they have in mexico where they did the war on drugs and they took out the top leaders and then the gangs splinterred and had much more violence. so could that, you know is that an ironic thing that if you go after some of the top guys in the gangs, all of the sudden, the problem on the street gets worse? >> it could be. it's really hard to tell. it's really hard to pinpoint one cause that is, you know, that's responsible for all of this. a lot of people i have spoken with in the department will just say there is just simply not, you know, they need more police officers on the street. >> that's another possibility. >> so let me stop you there because, you know, rom emanuel's crew says no we got rid of some administrative jobs that weren't really filled anyway. the police say, no there is 450 job openings we haven't filled yet. there are a lot more. who is right? who do could we use more cops on the street? have resources been diverted away from the cops? >> so this is the thing. we have seen a lot of vacancies like you have talked about, a lot of officers have retired. i think something like 1,000 officers have retired in the last few years and they have only hired 150. and i don't really thing think that's anybody's fault because when these police officers go through the police academy, they go on average about 50 a time. it takes six months before they actually get going on the street. they have got to get trained. and you couple that with the fact that the city is coming off, you know, a huge budget deficit. i think when mayor emanuel was elected last year he inherited a $630 million budget deficit, and, you know, so that's kind of been, i guess, that's a reason. >> that's been a hindrance of why they haven't been able to higher more police but if you talk to gary mccarthy a lot of what he said over the last year is that it doesn't matter how many police the department hires. what matters is whether they are being used e financial and he has argued that they haven't been used at peak efficiency. but then a lot of people, you know, beg to differ. >> one more thing, jeremy. you know mayor daley was known as a guy who got things done one way or another. right? >> uh-huh. >> now rom emanuel has this image of being like a winner oh, he helped the democrats win in 2006 and 2008, but in reality, i know for a fact that he opposed the winning strategy of howard dean which was to come peel in more and -- compete in more and more districts. he was wrong. he gets credit for it but i don't know why. i guess the media love him because he does the leaks. is it possible in this case that mayor emanuel as he did when he was chief of staff and as a congressman doesn't really know what he is doing? >> well, i don't want to say that. i mean, you know the guy's only been in office for, you know, a year and some change. and, you know, it seems to me you need to evaluate a candidate by, you know, their whole term in office before making that -- drawing that conclusion. what i will say is that one of mayor emanuel's campaign promises was he wanted to hire 1,000 more officers and put them on the street. instead of doing that, he disbanded two specialized units who were charged with going into these bad neighborhoods and getting rid of -- aggressively going after guns on the street and just getting rid of them. and when these specialized units were around shootings and homicides were down as well. what he did was he closed those two units, moved them to beat patrols, you know, where they are in marked squad cars and they are putting more of an emphasis on community policing and now the stats show that shootings and homicides in chicago are up. you know like i said he was initially trying to play it off like he added these officers to the street where most of what he did was, you know shelf officers around. he did bring officers many officers from death jobs who previously held administrative positions within the department. >> right. >> brought them back onto the street and he has herred some recruits. >> all right. >> i will agree you can't judge in a year. so far, it hasn't been terrific. jeremy gorner from the chicago tribune. thank you for the joining us? >> you are welcome. >> it's a complicated situation, too, because guns are littered everywhere in chicago as they are in so many of our cities. we are obsessed with guns so we have more gunfire. of course. all right. now, let's go to dr. gary suskin, of cease fire. this is an interesting way to help the problem? >> a new way of reducing violence. it approaches violence kind of from a scientific way. so we protect and interrupt events by violence interrupters. i don't know if you saw the film, the interrupters. we have interrupters who can detect who might be angry at who: and persuade them not to do a shooting. we have done over 2,000 interruptions over the last four or five years. outreach workers who work with the high-risk people for 6 to 24 months. we are working already in 16 neighborhoods in chicago where the cease fire model is working. we have a 21% reduction in homicides even this year. and the reason why i think i am on the show now and we are having this conversation is that the mayor decided in the last few weeks and anoujszed today expansion of our efforts because he is happy. the mayor is quite serious about getting the shootings and killings down. >> he treats it more like a healthcare epidemic which you have had experience in. it's a crime epidemic. how do you make that gee in the real world? and how does it help. >> first off, it's to understand that this is actually a contagious process, that one person does a violence act and someone else does another one and pretty soon, there is a bunch of retallations and these guys are really operating under the social expectations of each other. they are quite resistant in many cases to law enforcement. you need to interact with them through people who can talk with them at their own level and who can intercept whispers on the street. so we are finding out what happened in the party last night, who looked at who's girlfriend, who slept with who last night. who is upset. you know, who won the dice game? you know who 0s somebody money and we can talk these guys down because of how they are trained and deployed. >> that's why we get the results that we do. >> it's a really interesting program. i would love to have you back on the show sometime later to talk to see, you know, if it helped how it might have helped. >> dr. slutkin rungs the cease fire program and we appreciate you coming on. >> thank you very much, cenk. >> thank you so much. look, as you can tell from my commentary, i am not the biggest fan from rom emanuel, but i am rooting for him because i want crime to go down. this is hurting the communities in chicago. all right. now, when we come back we are going to dissect some of the ads on the romney and obama side. who is the winner there? i think actually president obama has a terrific line of attack. i want to talk to michael about that. >> the people of iowa very long worries. romney stands up to china. >> this then some nuns are saying, maybe we should help some poor people. a conservative talk show host says we should pistol whip those nuns today, i am happy for them that they are here. desk top, lab top, ipad. iphone. >> pleasant your hearts. >> the big one. >> stephanie: all i know, the little flower is there and it means go to meeting. i love go to meeting. >> all right. we are back on the young turks. we often break down the news here in this segment, we are going to break down the political ads to see who is on the right side and we don't mean just in terms of policy but in terms of effectiveness. mitt romney is running this ad in swing states. >> romney's first 100 days what will they mean for village? what will they mean for ohio? president obama stands up to china, demands a level playing field for our workers. by day 100, president romney repeels what's costing us job. president romney's first 100 days. for ohio already a better place to do business as we see more factories and jobs coming back. >> let me analyze that for you. first of all, he says he is going to stand up to china. >> that's what they all say. what are they supposed to do? lie down? all right, china. of course they all want to stand up to china. it's meaningless. de deregulating energy industry, that means i am going to let the oil companies get away with murder. >> that's what that means. all right. now, let's bring in our epic mrith political correspondent to discuss obama ads as well. michael, great to have you here before we go to the obama ad countering the romney ad i thought that was a particularly bad ad by romney. i don't see a lot saying that's my man. >> the manipulation of china's currency is not something that's making people crazy. >> it sounds like he got this advice from trump or something. >> that's true. that add that we watched is only airing in ohio. these are targeted ads. they are all talking about obamacare. the one in ohio, not touching obama care talking about manipulation of chinese currency. a little strange. >> president obama's team struck back with a series of ads as well. we have combined them here. watch. >> president obamapom president romney's first 100 days, fewer worries about their future. >> future worries? >> day 1, president romney stands up to china. >> would he? >> creating thousands of new jobs for virgans. >> but would he? >> the washington post has just revealed that romney's companies were pine easier in shipping u.s. jobs overseas investing in firms that specialized in relocating jobs done by american workers to new facilities in low-wage countries like china and india. >> does virginiaia want an outsourcer in chief in the white house. >> i look at that and think that's pretty effective because i think a lot of people are mad about their jobs being outsourced. one of those nailed them. he did outsource the jobs. >> for sure he did. this is their first stab at outsourcing. they didn't have great success from brain and there was blowback. >> it didn't poll badly. >> as a story. the ads weren't as effective. these outsourcing ads are a new tact. what's funny about romney it's hard to get a bad picture of the guy. >> i know. you know, i have been meaning to go say this for a like time he is the best looking 65-year-olds i have ever seen. >> of all times. you want an unflattering frask. they can't find one? >> it gives the senses of like that everybody has of romney that this guy feels like a robot, like you can't find a hair out of place. >> very plastic. >> i want to the go to the second aspect of these ads. a good ad takeshits a guy where it hurts. romney has the image of this cold calculating businessman who cuts your throat if he needs to. >> for sure. >> and cares about himself and doesn't care about you. i mean the outsourcing is pretty good. whereas the china ad for romney obama -- i know the republicans do the talking point of he bows down. i don't think anybody buys that too much. >> that's why i don't think it does a good job of reaching people. >> it doesn't do a good job of reaching people. it is literally all over the place in content all over the plates, doing different ads in different states and only in battleground states but the message is so muddled. it's really a mess. >> you know i know biden is hard, too. he said the guy is a job crater in china, singapore. >> that's what you are going to see going forwards from the campaign. biden will hit with zingers and campaign will back it up. >> i agree with you. think if they continue with these core messages, it's definitely an advantage to president obama. and i am surprised mitt romney hasn't found a better tool to go after the president with. >> i am not surprised. >> you are not? you think he is a worse campaigner than i think he is. so far, you have been right. all right. >> he won. >> he won the primary. the big race is coming up. so when we come bagck, we are going to have a none on the program who cares about the poor and the needy. a christian who cares about that? well, actually, other guys who claim they are christians are republicans say that one guy literally says they want to pistol whip the guns for caring about the poor. we will talk about that when we come back. >> to raise up the truth about what's happening in the house budget that the house passed and to say that it is not good for the united states. 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ask your doctor if spiriva can help. hershey's drops. a lot of hershey's happiness in little drops of milk chocolate. and cookies n creme. pure hershey's. >> the network is a progressive group of nuns really and they have decided to lobby for social and economical justice. jesus christ would totally agree with that. abc news has a report on it. >> it's hard to miss the bus carrying a group of catholic sisters across america on a 9-state tour called nuns on a bus. the nuns are attracting crowds. inglewood apartments for the homesq. >> we are here to support the sister's message that we want a fair budget. >> well part of the reason the budget is not fair is that paul ryan has introduced and gotten passed in the house a bucket that takes away 2.4 trillion in medicaid, $134,000,000,000 in food stamps 463 in allow mandatory low-income programs and 291 billion in discretionary programs two-thirds of the cost from low-income and gives it in giant tax cuts for the rich. you would think if nuns are going to help the poor and needy people would be in favor of it. here is a conservative talk show host who thinks the opposite. >> there is a bus full of nuns headed toward washington. do you have any power to pull the nuns and pistol whip them? >> no. >> well they say that he is evil. they say that he is a fake catholic. they're the ones that threw the first punch. >> that classy guy is jan mikelson talking to a u.s. congressman. we will bring sister diane donahue from the nuns on the bus campaign. sister diane, is it true you threw the first punch in trying to help poor people? >> we have been helping poor people ever since sisters were on the on the road and in frontiers and we have been pilgrim people for a very very long time. the network is 40 years old. this year we celebrated the 40th anniversary. we are based in washington, d.c. but we work for social justice and the teachings of the catholic church. the first teachings were in 1891, leo xiii. we have been doing this for a long time. we are doing it because we are committed to what we do. >> sister, diane, there is something weird about the republicans in this country who claim we have the mantle of christianity on our side and when you go to help the poor they say how dare you. did i read the new testament wrong because i read a lot of it. did jesus seem to care a lot about the poor and needy? >> jesus talked about she wouldn'tering homeless clothing people, feeding people and always with compassion. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. >> that's a basic message. he spent more time with poor people than anybody else. and that's what we want to be able to do in terms of saying this is not fair. and we want to turn it around. >> now how much of a christian message is it when a conservative says, since these nuns are trying to help the needy, we should pistol whip them. do you think jesus would have agreed with pistol whipping nuns? >> i don't think he could have said those words obviously. but more to the point, when you confront people, it's one thing to disagree. it's another thing to be violencely reactive. and i think pistol whipping is a pretty violent kind of response. >> so one more thing? >> when jesus -- yeah. >> i'm sorry, sister diane, to interrupt. i want to get the sense. what's the interplay within the church here? it seems like you guys have the core message of jesus christ on your side but looks like you are getting pushback. how do they pushback? do they say, no, we should help the rich. >> that's what jesus would have wanted? >> no. i don't think so. i think what one of the things that is very imports is that we stand with the u.s. bishops in -- on this ryan bill and they have said it is absolutely immoral. those are their words. we stand with them. so when you talk about the church or catholics, we are saying this is based on our tradition in terms of social justice. it makes the difference. and we stand with our bishops on that message. >> all right. that's terrific. i love you are taking that message out there, sister diane donahue on a 9-state tour. >> thank you. >> check out the different stops on that tour and we will talk to you again. all right. now, when we come back you know what they are trying to teach in schools? the loch ness monster is real to show that evolution doesn't exist. we will explain the details when we come back. >> the water is dark and extremely cold. it protects next, john fugelsang is filling on viewpoint with eliot spitzer. >>that was mitt romney showing once again his fearless fear of taking a stand that helps make him all things to no people. 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