Transcripts For CSPAN3 Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20140826

Something on monument avenue that does not reflect that segregationist past. The result was this arthur ashe statue, which is pretty big. Not as big as jeff davis, but its pretty big. Its pretty large. So moving away from virginia, though, im sort of curious yeah, matt . In doing a paper, i actually came across an article that was in the southern southeastern geographer, and the article explored the symbolic meaning of lee to the city. This is about richmond. It is now mostly africanamerican. And the argument was that, i guess they had redone the canal area. Theres this big mural of robert e. Lee there. And its like the africanamerican population demanded that it be taken down. And so it does seem like there is a real expression of political power in that city now. Well, its an interesting place. It does come up. If you go, i also highly recommend the museum of the confederacy. Its a fascinating place in its own right. Its bookstore is fascinating. It is not you might imagine being up here in new england, you might imagine it is completely going to be committed to the lost cause memory, but its not. Whats interesting about it is Jefferson Davis white house is what its called and the museum of the confederacy are smack dab in the middle of a massive hospital complex. So if you go to it, you have a largely africanamerican city. You have a very diverse population. As you walk to it. And then when you get to the museum of the confederacy, suddenly everyone around you is white, and older. Its a very clear demographic shift. But its just interesting, again, for to equate it, or to look at it from connecticuts point of view. Yes. I forget where it was, but the piquaut, i think stonington had this big monument to the victory over the piquauts. And now theyre a very powerful force in connecticut politics. And i believe they had they were able to muster enough Political Support to get that monument taken down. I dont know about that one. But a point of the fact as groups start to exert certain political power, theyre able to change the narrative, and change the memory of any particular given event. Its certainly about power. Sometimes its raw political power. Across the board. But sometimes its also the power of the changing narrative. Which you sort of hope historians are part of. We dont want to be immodest, because we noticed, speaking on behalf of professional historians, we notice a lot of people pay no attention to what we have to say. We have noticed this. I think scholarship does move things ever so slightly. It is probably also the case that we are looking for narratives that fit better who we are today. And that may mean taking some monuments down. It may mean rethinking them. I think i mentioned in this class, the classes start to blur, that for many, many years new orleans had a series of schools named for John Mcdonough who gave a fabulous fortune to the city of new orleans in the 19th century. He gave the money to be used on to be used for schooling. Quote, without regard for cast or color. New orleans got half the money, baltimore got the other half. I believe there are no longer John Mcdonough schools in new orleans, because the name was synonymous with segregation. Theres a decent sized John Mcdonough statue, though. So i went looking. I went looking for kind of more memory. And i have to say that its actually very, very hard to look for civil war commemoration memories in new england outside of connecticut. Its a little even as somebody from a border state, its the civil war is less visible, its less present. Like i said, you grew up near robert e. Lee park, you cant not know something, right . But in new england, its very, very different. The narrative here is all about abolition. The whole notion of the civil war being a war to free the slaves, thats got a lot to do with new englands abolitionists memory of itself. I went looking. My first hit was fascinating to me. And i will share. April, 1864, a battle at Poison Springs in arkansas. And these two plaques are old plaques that commemorate a confederate victory over union troops. Now, it is an interesting battle, because there was a reenactment two weeks ago, and i wish i was there, because i have a question. Poison springs was a fairly minor skirmish in the grand scheme of things. But what happened after Poison Springs, the picture may not show this, but the battle was between confederate troops and the first kansas colored infantry. Okay . And after the battle, both union and confederate accounts demonstrate that confederate soldiers murdered surviving black soldiers. All right . Like ft. Pillow, smaller scale. It fascinates me to no end that washington county, arkansas, reenacted the battle. Created a group of africanamerican created a reenactment of the first kansas colored to reenact the battle. The question is, what did they do at the end of the battle . And i am curious. The one of the folks involved in the reenactment is a state official. Im going to write him and ask. But even without knowing that, even without knowing what they did with the massacre, it tells us something, i think, about the public narrative that you can go to washatau county and have a reenact of a battle between white troops and black troops. That is put on by the local historical society, enchampioned on the states civil war commemoration commission. One or two more pictures of the battle. Heres my last thing. So i wanted to talk together about what we think will happen with the civil war bicentennial. We should keep it fairly brief because were running out of time. Heres what i think is going to happen. At least a start. I think one of the Big Questions is going to be diversity. Because i think we can see that the narrative has changed. At some level. All right . We all generally accepted that emancipation, and the disintegration of slavery driven by africanamericans themselves changes the nature of the war, changes the nature of the conflict. At a professional level, i think those things are not going to change much. Whether or not the public narrative moves further, or private narrative moves further is open to question. What happens in the bicentennial . I dont know. But i think it will be shaped by two things. One is the changing diversity of the country. Because it is already the case that huge numbers of americans have no familial tie, even distantly, to the civil war. And the other is, im not sure that the political lessons of the civil war will translate as well in 50 years. But im not sure. But lets open it up to you guys. What do you think it will look like in 50 years . 2fj ÷ . 7 i will have nothing to do with it. I dont want to make it all political in a powerful thing that is not memory, but as the demographics of the country change, i think the memory is going to shift. I think what year, but it will be long before the 200th anniversary. Youre going to have where the white is not going to be a clear majority in this country. I think that will probably affect how the memory of the war is portrayed. John . To go on that, i think the reconciliation thing is going to be very much absent, or very much less stated because of the growing diversity. You see the changing demographics in areas where the lost cause are the strongest, and places like that. Theres going to be less of that divide between north and south as you see immigration and other factors go into it. Im going to be fascinated to see what happens in new england. Because ive talked a lot about the south. But im actually2ni not sure w civil war memory is going to look like in new england, because i think it already is not that visible. If it wasnt for a very active state level commemoration commission, im not sure what they would be doing in connecticut right now. Connecticut strikes me as being the new england state thats doing a lot. But will there be a bicentennial commission . What will it do . How many of the sites that we talk about will be gone . Even now, we talk about the battlefields that are disappearing. It will be interesting if we have kind of more of an emancipationist memory. It will raise some interesting questions. We talk all about the anniversaries of the civil war. But we never talk about the anniversary of reconstruction. So i think theres still a limit, right . And it may be the case that we have crossed sort of crossed a rubicon with slavery. That doesnt mean weve dealt with racism. It doesnt mean weve dealt with that part. If we were to commemorate reconstruction, i dont know where we would do it or how. But i know it would be a lot more uncomfortable than recreating the battle at Poison Springs. Overall. Any questions . John . Yeah . I think to approach reconstruction in the future, you might have to look at the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s and say this is a long lesson. It might be that the civil rights commemoration might be more important of the 200th, it may be bigger than the 200th of the civil war. That would be interesting. Jamie . I think at the federal level, slow recognition of the i think they put up a portrait of the rebel also in the capital, i want to say. There is sort of, as much as the public understands reconstruction, its very messy. Thats going to be up there forever. And its sort of its 150 years late, but an attempt to say this happened. And this is what it was. Yeah. Right. Austin . Im going to go to the dark end. Maybe in about 50 years time, the country, or, you know, the nation will be more willing to talk about the negative side, like reconstruction, which is which is pretty a bleak period of history. Just a case in point, with my paper for your class, about the little bighorn, i learned more about the western history as a whole. And its changed the narrative to incorporate more of the native american side. And the nasty aspects of western expansion, i believe, they now have like the sites are a memorial to the sand creek massacre, or the washia, which is one of custers battles against the indians, which was you can argue was a slaughter, or massacre. But its just a more open it was brought to the public light and not shunned away for the turner thesis, so to speak. Thats the way i see it. I think i will be pushing up daisies, so i dont think i will know. But anyway, thats all for this evening. I have one quick announcement. That is, papers due one week from today, unless youre also in dr. 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This is 1 hour 45 minutes. So, today were talking about the war on poverty, and the urban crisis in the late 1960s in the United States. And were looking at the ways in which the black Freedom Movement raised the issues of poverty, and of racial disadvantage. Really to a level of national attention, and National Action that we havent really seen at any time since. So i want to start just by well, first i should lead you through the outline quickly. Well talk about the ways in which americans at the time thought about black poverty. How did they interpret it. What causes did they think about. And then, what solutions, therefore, did they turn to. So well talk about designing a war on poverty. The choices that the federal government made when the Johnson Administration announced that it was going to wage a war on poverty. And then well talk a little bit about the socalled riots that occurred each summer in the late 1960s in africanamerican communities. In cities. And the ways in which discussions about those really reflected different attitudes about racial disadvantage. And then finally, well discuss imagining alternatives. So some of the ways in which activists offered their own ideas about what might help overcome racial disadvantage and poverty. And i have here a quote from a. Phillip randolph, freedom from oppression, freedom from political oppression. Weve seen this throughout, right, that economic demands. Demands for Economic Opportunity and Economic Security have been really important to the black freedom struggle, and so were going to see them kind of reappear here in significant form. So let me show you a couple of slides. These are statistics from the census. And here we have a comparison of white and black poverty in 1959 and 1968. Not a hard graph to interpret. What do you see . Cara . In 1968, poverty had declined a lot. But still black poverty is a lot higher than white poverty. And its still probably like that today. So there was change, but it wasnt theyre not equal. Yes. So we see progress for both groups over this time. But as you say, we continue to see a disparity. Any other comments on this graph . All right. I want to show you a little more detail here. And i want you to tell me what you see in this graph. Pedro . So, for you can tell with gender, theres a disparity where the poverty is, even among races. But with black females, theyre among the most highest. Well, actually yeah, among the most highest. They actually did decline slowly, but you can see even within race, theres also intersections within sex. So it sort of gives you a slight look at gender and how it intersects. The combined effects of race and gender on shaping Economic Opportunity and economic outcome, right . And i dont know if this is startling to you, but 1968, you can see still over 50 these are household headed by. So over 50 of households headed by africanamerican women were in poverty, or officially under the federal poverty line. Pauline . Why is it that black women are more in poverty than any other, like, race or gender . Thats a really great question. Lets talk about it. What do you think . Ashley . I think that its a combination of probably well, probably lack of being able to find employment, being both a person of color and also a woman. So as you can see, like the white female in 1968 is on par with the black male. Its like a double whammy of discrimination. Discrimination in the labor market. Lack of access to wellpaying jobs, both by sex and by race. And access to child care. A really good point. Womens role in raising children, and the time and resources that that takes. Other thoughts . Cara . Well, also the time period is the same time that a lot of our articles were talking about. So if it was like a single black woman, probably in poverty trying to raise a family, they were cut they werent allowen aid to help raise their families. Thats whats talked about in the articles that we read about, the struggle for them to receive government aid and the discrimination that they faced. Net. Well talk a little bit more about that, review that in a few minutes. But remember, the social safety net was segmented. By race and by gender. I think to touch on what they both said, i think it was also like, it was cheaper for the access to child care, for women of color. It was like basically, youre not working youre working to pay for child care rather than just having money to, you know, cover your household. Most of it was going to child care. And not enough was going to the actual household. For women who even had access to paid child care, right . Black women were typically doing the paid child care for white women. We didnt have a proliferation of Child Care Centers at the time. A lot of this had to be informal through kinship. Difficult to arrange, absolutely. Any other thoughts on this intersection of race and gender in terms of creating poverty . Okay. So, i want you to keep these graphs in mind as we talk today. Lets turn to the ways in which americans in the 1960s framed the problem of black poverty. Americans were talking about poverty more broadly in the early 1960s. But because as weve seen, we have this Mass Movement among africanamericans. Its making black poverty particularly visible. And we also see africanamericans in cities really challenging the economic manifestations of racism, right . So this is very much in the public eye. So lets look at daniel moynahan. So moynahan is a social scientist. He is a racial liberal. Think back to our discussion of racial liberalism. He is secretary of labor in the Johnson Administration. Hes a key policy maker among the federal officials who are determining what the federal governments response would be to poverty. And you read a short excerpt from a report he wrote called the negro family, a case for National Action. This was a report meant for internalized, to convince other policy makers and president johnson of the problem. And except that it was leaked. And it was made public. And so lets talk about what moynahan has to say about black poverty in 1965. Cara . Well, it talks about stuff weve learned about in other classes, about]ok . cix[ what sort of language does moynahan use to describe the problem . Deterioration of the family. Deterioration of the family, yep. Other phrases . A quote that kind of stuck out. As jobs became more and more difficult to find, the stability of the family became more and more difficult to maintain. Yeah. And stability of family, right . A good phrase there. As jobs for who became more and more difficult to find . Africanamericans. Which africanamericans . Males. Males, right. The stability of the family. A Stable Family here is a male breadwinner family, right . And so this causes a number of problems. If black men cant find jobs, what are the problems that this causes, according to moynahan . Scott . The female has to become the moneymaker. Yes. It says a fundamental fact of Negro American life is often reversed roles of husband and wife. Yes. So if the woman is doing the earning, somehow the family the roles are reversed and the family is an unStable Family. And it leads to did anybody get the language of a matriarchal family structure, right . So thats deemed here a damaged family. Right . So if the fathers around, hes psychologically damaged, because he cant fulfill the role that men are supposed to fulfill in society as being the family breadwinner. So hes psychologically damaged. The availability of welfare benefits, which well talk a lot about later, also creates a problem, and contributes to the matriarchal family structure, according to moynahan. How does that happen . We have this program aid to dependent children. Ashley . I know it came up in the reading last week about how sometimes, like fathers would, like, step out of the picture so that the family could qualify for that aid. And then so then that would leave it to be a female head of household. Thats right. So its both that the man is psychologically damaged because he cant be a family breadwinner, so the mother becomes the breadwinner, and the man might actually leave, he might desert his family so that his children can be fed. Right . Through access to welfare benefits. Keep that in mind, because that becomes a key argument against social welfare measures, right . That its causing now its welfare, right . Hes saying its job discrimination, but its a short trip to saying the availability of welfare for mothers is creating damaged families, right . Okay. So moynahan says that initially, the problem is black mens inability to be breadwinners. But that this problem could become selfperpetuating. Right . And thats an important part of his analysis, too. So moynahan here is really well, i have one more question based on moynahan. We watched a raisin in the sun. Caras jumping ahead. I made some notes abouts raisin in the sun when i was readsing the article, how the grandma was this really strong, like, woman in the family who controls everything. You could see the son who was the dad trying to break out of that control, and find his own power in life. And be like the man of the family. I was thinking about that when i was reading it. Yeah. Other comments on that, the film . Pedro . I think something that she mentioned was like, what would your father do . The connections back to his father, so the expectations of actually heading their househ d household, because it seemed like she was the head of the household but she wanted him to take ownership of the household and sort of be head of the household like his father was. It seemed like he was lost. And he didnt know what to do. The expectations, and him either fulfilling the expectations or just leaving the picture. Especially with the one where, i was a little confused, i dont know if he was supposed to tell his wife to not have an abortion . Right. His mother was saying, tell her, right . And he didnt. And he yeah, hes clearly struggling. Hes just in pain this whole time. Yeah, pauline . I feel like the son had an issue well, like the son and the mother had issues. Because they saw it differently. The man that she expected him to be is not the man he wanted to be. It was just the man she expects him to be. It was like she wanted him to mirror the like his father. But at the same hand, he wasnt his father. And like that idea of, like, them coming, like migrating, is completely different from the lifestyle that they were actually living. Right. Its an interesting generational discussion, too, right . Because the mother and father had migrated from the south to chicago. And so their expectations were shaped by that migration. And then their son was born in chicago, in the getto, right . And so his expectations are different than theirs. And he feels yeah, he feels this tension about the role that his father played. A few of you were able to see the whole film. Does he how does it end . Does he become the man that his mother wants him to be . Latrice . I think he stands up for him. He almost sees what his mother is saying. Like i want you to be your father. I think she meant that morally, like he would have stood up for us, not let the white people push us around. I think he got that gist at the end where he acted on impulse and called that back over to sell the house. And then the more he was out there, he thought about, no, my sons right in front of me. I cant let him see me bow down to them. Because i dont want him to be that way. I think he starts to understands why his mother wanted him to be up to those expectations, because he has a little boy looking up to him. Him standing up for himself at the end, i think that made his mom proud. Thats why she kind of corn snc at the end, what do you have to say . Hes the head of the family, its him now. It showed that he did end up being like his father like she wanted him to, but then again, he took his own stance. The way that he sort of came into his manhood, he was chasing this dream of a liquor store and business ownership, right . But the way he comes into his manhood is by challenging racism. Right . Challenging discrimination, and saying, no, were not going to take it. Were going to move into that suburb. So similar themes here from lorraine hansberry, where shes an africanamerican activist. Shes on the left. Moynahans a racial liberal. And here what we see is what the historian Darrell Michael scott has called the politics of pathology. I want you to think about that for a minute. What was the argument that swayed earl warren and the Supreme Court in the brown versus board of education case . Cara . Wasnt it the dolls . The dolls . Which proved what . Which proved that black children preferred the white dolls over the ones that looked more like them. So it showed some kind of deepseeded, like selfhating kind of thing and moved the court. That is interesting. Because thats not i dont know what else to say. I think maybe whats going on there is, is there a problem with this kind of an argument. Well definitely get there, right . But you see the politics, the pathology playing out in brown versus board of education. Whats wrong with racism and discrimination and deg segregation is it has a damaging psychological effect on africanamericans. I remember what i was going to say. It doesnt show the like what caused the racism, and the bigger problem of like institutions that are keeping it in place. Its just showing racism is bad, they dont like themselves, we need to fix this, schools should be integrated. But it doesnt open the blight on the real issues, that needed massive government change and stuff like that. For some racial liberals, the hope was that by emphasizing this damage that racism and segregation did to africanamericans, that would mobilize government action. So in other words, theyre using this politics of pathology to try to get liberal measures in place, right . To try to push for equal opportunity, to try to push for jobs programs, et cetera. As we see, its a problematic kind of an argument. So moynahans drawing on this framework then, as i said. Remember that the postwar period is also a period where psychology is really popular. People think in psychological terms, and so it makes sense that this kind of argument is being made. We see this across the spectrum. Charles silverman, crisis in black and white, hes a journalist, the disorganization of the family is reflected in the disorganization of negro life as well. Absence of the inner strength and selfdiscipline necessary, if one is to be the master rather than the servant of his environment, in a competitive society. So the damage imagery, very, very often relies on a certain gender and family structure, right . The damage to the family, the damage to the man that creates damage to the family. So you see racial liberals, social scientists, black and white, writing about this, making these arguments about family structure, and about pathology. Many of them, again, were hoping that this would convince the government to institute fixes to economic discrimination, that would enable africanamericans to reestablish a patriarchal family structure, which would then have their children not become criminals, right, and damaged and perpetuate this cycle. So racial liberals then are using damage imagery to promote Government Intervention to address africanamerican economic disadvantage. One other framework for thinking about black poverty in the 1960s, and its related to this politics of pathology, is the idea of culture of poverty. This idea of a culture of poverty comes most explicitly from anthropologist oscar lewis. And lewis wrote a book, initially he was writing about a mexican family in a small village in mexico. And what he argued in this book is that the poverty that this family had lived in for generations had created a pathological culture. Or a culture of poverty. So that these poor people had different values, a different way living nonpoor people did. He had a list of 50 different characteristics. They were things like tendency toward violence and inability to defer gratification and all of these sort of negative values that got past on generation to generation, right . So again, even if you argue as lewis did that the origination of the problem was being kept out of opportunity, hes arguing again that this culture becomes self perpetuatinperpetuating. So what causes children to be poor, its the culture of their families and communities that causes them to be poor. He wrote then a book about a port ee reuerto rican family in in new york about a culture of pourty. This was challenged by a lot of social scientists who did a lot of research to see if there was really a culture of poverty. Even though it was challenged quite robustly, the idea was really write spread. It became important to the ways in which federal policy makers designed programs to overcome poverty. So its cultural characteristics rather than what karra is pointing to what hamilton would call institutional racisms, the structures weve discussed creating these economic problems. Amidst the debate in the 1950s and 60s when americans thought about poverty and thought about a lower class, they increasingly envisioned africanamericans. Nathan glazer put it this way in 1963, he said terms such as cultural deprived and disadvantaged, quote, are only you o eufamims for the negro child. Very quickly, right, black poverty became a central element nwuqnnok makers approaches. Let me ask you this, if you were a federal antipoverty planner, an aid to president johnson and he comes to you and said what should we do to fix poverty and black poverty in particular, having representatives from the actual poor populations say what they need for their specific communities rather than massive government things that dont exactly know the specific problems for certain areas so having the voice of the poor. Thats is what was talked about in one of the articles actually the bigger articles how the big programs by johnson didnt the voices of the actual people who the programs are going to affect werent even heard at all so i think that would be a really good strategy to go about fixing these issues. See what they actually need themselv themselves. Let them design their own approaches. With help. With the aid like the money and the funding to come with that so okay. Other ideas. How can we stop poverty fix poverty . Scott. Equal education. Okay. Setting the bar for other people so they can get a good education and possibly turning into jobs and providing opportunities. Okay. Yeah. For the future. So theres not equal education at this time, right . What are the inekwaurlooequalii education in the mid60s . Theres a lack of quality in education like the schools are run down, dont have enough staff. Some of them i think i read somewhere that they dont even have a mhigh school for some africanamericans. Thats a key part in education so i think yeah. Yeah. So its clear theres plenty of evidence, right, that separate was not equal. Separate was very unequal. Not only in the south which had had legislative is heisegregati also because of the metropolitan said regularation outside of the south. So giving communities the necessary money and giving it to the direct community and them deciding what they need to do and then going with the education for some students if they i guess they dont have the necessary food they are not actually you know if they are not healthy or if they dont even have a morning like a breakfast how are they supposed to function throughout the day . So having access to nutritious food. Uhhuh. Okay. So some kind of program of food assistance. I would also say finding representatives who would work with them. Even if you give them everything they need they are not going to know what i guess to correctly do with their funds and stuff. So they need like they still need that leadership just so that someone is like there to help them through it all. They are not like just on their own. Okay. Rose. One important thing i think would be like the continuation of helping the programs and kind of like going back and evaluating like what can we do better . And what should we change with the program instead of giving up on it completely and seeing what they are doing right. Seeing what they could improve instead of just like letting them kind of planning all of this putting so much work into it and then like, oh, it didnt work and just not even doing anything about it. Gentleman okay. Yeah. Cara and then ashley and then pauline. I think what was discussed in the black power article about an emergence of a new middle class so in skilled positions like working with corporations, i think a way to help poverty to expand those corporations have more job training to help actually like entrance level positions for people to come out of poverty and start working in these massive corporations that are in the cities where they live. So i think it makes sense to do that kind of thing. Ashley. Mine was about job training too. One of the articles that we got for our paper was they were talking about how job training was one of the most successful ways to for upward mobility in their communities like teaching them valuable job skills instead of just like, you know, pushing them out of a conveyer belt of high school where they are not even fully literate and so the job training seemed to be so good education and job training combined there. Yeah. Okay. Pedro. Pauline and then pedro. So i was thinking so i remember the slcc and the i forgot the other one. The one that was student snick. I feel like all the programs should be on one page versus separate pages because isnt that kind of like you mean all of the Movement Activists so some kind of unified thats less of a government issue though. United movement. Okay. Pedro. I just like when you wrote all of these down tying them all together so the expect assistance, the job training, the lack of funding, you can create programs and employ people within a Certain Community so they can have employment and also run a program thats sort of for them so sort of tying all of these things together so that, you know, if they have a program in their community its run by the Community Members not somebody from the outside so again, stressing on the job training and making sure that they are, you know, trained to the highest level so that they can run their program to the highest level. Okay. Scott. Isnt that what the cdgm was doing or the Community Development group of mississippi. Yeah. Okay. Thats yeah. Yeah. That was a really interesting thing to read. That was pretty cool. Yeah. It sort of embodies im guessing influenced some of your answers, right . That notion of maximum feasible participation and that sort of thing. Yes, cara. So kind of going along with like equal education and job training would be like equal job opportunity because like we talked about before even like black people who have the highest education all they can do is be a teacher basically. So if they could have like more Job Opportunities then they would have better jobs that they could actually have instead of being a teacher. A particular issue for racial minorities, right . 64 we got a prohibition on Racial Discrimination and employment but it takes a long time for enforcement, right . So opening up access. I think a lot of these things have to be kind of implemented by the law so kind of put in that law system because in the mlk article he talks about how the Prime Minister of india and in the similar problem they have with the untouchables and how most of the things it is like the Indian Constitution specified that discrimination against untouchables is a crime punishable by imprisonment. Through that, they develop housing and Job Opportunities in villages heavily inhabited by untouchables so this system isnt just something they create but its also implement in a reinforced through law. Yeah. Yeah. I mean king has very particular ideas about what kind of law but definitely enforcement of antidiscrimination but also more government assistance, right, in terms of building communities. Yeah. Any other thoughts on how you would solve poverty. Rose. One i think we missed is housing and some equal chances with that and not having such segregated neighborhoods because then they would call those slums with the crime rate and everything and just equal chances for the housing. Yeah. So lets briefly this is a really good point. Lets briefly recall some of the processes that he told us about in american babylon about met metropolitan development and how it was that africanamericans in oakland sort of got stuck in poor inner city neighborhoods. Latrice. Well, i remember from those readings that they started making policies. As they expanded and took jobs out of certain areas and put them in others, along with that came more expensive housing and they kind of went through loopholes to skplud exclude africanamericans so they would destroy an african majority house setting and put something more expensive there so they were all forced to move because they couldnt afford it and that kind of kept them in their own pockets and that had a lot to deal with it. The housing policies that they made that wouldnt allow black people to live in their homes and the things put in the deeds contributed a lot too. Keeping them in the slums they were kept into it. So raciprograms that targetee slums minority neighborhoods and destroying Affordable Housing there. Cara, rose, cara. Like what she was talking about, we read before in one of the articles if they had white tenants that they had to pay like they would make them they would make the rent way too high for them to pay for so i guess just like fixing that somehow, i guess. Yeah. Africanamericans ended up paying more for housing. They did not have access because of red lining because of fha policies and riefate lendprivat policies did not have access to the capital, to the credit that allowed a whole swath of White Working Class americans to access singlefamily housing in the suburbs which allowed them to have wealth accumulation, et cetera. Rose. I was actually going to Say Something similar to that but i think another big thing was like how white people were afraid of black people moving into their neighborhoods. Also, how they would bring in black families to scare the neighborhood. Block busting. Yeah. Its ridiculous. I think fear controlled a lot of that, too. People just like were afraid of what they didnt understand and werent accepting at all of that. The fear that Property Values are going to go down. A selffulfilling prophecy here that Property Values will go down if africanamericans move into your neighborhood. The other side of that fear from the black perspective. There was a lot of violence against africanamericans when they wanted to move out of their neighborhoods that they were forced into from violence historically when there was the massive waves of nimigration wh they were freed from slavery. First of all the factories were in the cities. So first that moved them into inner cities and then when blacks when that became very populated when people wanted to expand there was riots and bombings and so many incentives to stay with your tight knit community rather than move out. So that kept i forgot what the original question we were answering but it kept people in the cities. Thats what we were talking about, right . Yes. Okay. So many people were talking. Latrice. Kind of based off of what fear thing on a different topic. Fear had a big play in larger organizations. Like in amy jordans thing, the oeo, they were providing all of these funds and they got scared by the politics of it that they started giving the money that they were giving to other more federally funded programs so they could be on the good side of the politics and i think fear played a big role in the types of assistance they got because the people ahead of those programs were scared to give them the money because they were afraid they were going to get the black lash of it. I think that played a huge role in keeping blacks in poverty. So politics. Well talk about those articles a little more later. So lets now weve talked about some of the reasons that africanamericans had higher rates of poverty. Youve offered some suggestions for how you might approach the problem. Lets think about what the Johnson Administration did and if they took your advice. So designing a war on poverty. Linden johnson in 1964 in his state of the Union Address declares this war on poverty. He says Many Americans live on the outskirts of hope some because of their poverty and some because of their color and all too many because of both. So hes drawing the things together for us. Our task is to replace their despair with opportunity. The Administration Today and now declares an unconditional war on poverty today in america. Expectations right. Wow. Youre going to eliminate poverty. This martial rhetoric. It sounds like youre really going to go atl 4u] it. So job training. What if there arent jobs there . Create them. Job creation. This was one answer. Yes. Many africanamericans and those on the left argued for. Within the Johnson Administration secretary of labor willard werts. He said the Poverty Program Must Immediately start out on the emphasis of employment to provide the head of the house with a decent paid job. During the great depression, the federal government had public works and built all of this wonderful infrastructure and employed people. A lot of people were calling for a renewal of public job creation. When he proposed this idea in a meeting with the president he rr recall recalled, i have never seen a colder reception from the president. Job creation is very expensive. Its politically difficult because then youre seen as competing with private industry and so private industry doesnt like it. Its johnson wants to get rid of poverty but hes not going to go that far. Another solution to poverty which nobody offered is if somebody is poor, what do they need . Money. They need money, right . Some people work and are poor even if they have a job, right . So a lot of activists and many liberals, many racial liberals by the late 60s were calling for a guaranteed income, right . Is that the government should make sure nobody falls below a certain level of poverty. So a guaranteed income. Robert lanmon of the council of economic advisors said probably an acceptable program must completely avoid inequality and redistribution of wealth and a guaranteed income did not have popular support, right . The idea what would be arguments against a guaranteed income . The redistribution of income or wealth that seems very communist. Yeah. So i think the idea of being called a communist when youre trying to fight it its like absolutely, right . Were still in a cold war at this point, definitely. Yeah. It kind of takes away their incentives to work for it if they dont have to work for it and they just get money from the government. Longstanding worry that you will erode the work ethic. People are naturally lazy. If you just give them an income they are not going to have any incentive to work for it. Yeah. Did you have a response . Yeah. I was going to Say Something. They are going to be really dependent on the guaranteed income and not feel likely to work. This idea of dependence and then youll have the taxpayers working so hard to pay lazy people not to work. How is that fair . Cara and then l tarks ratrice. Thats what i was going to say. The government gets most of its money from taxes so wealthy people or hard working people may be less willing to give up their hard earned money in taxes for people. Its still an issue today whenever theres when people but its still an issue today. Thats all i know. Absolutely. We saw about the kind of homeowner politics of taxpayers, the property tax issue became huge. Yeah, latrice. Mine is more a question. If we just gave everybody money wouldnt that lower the value of the u. S. Dollar . If you just gave everybody money. Do we have an economics major in here. Thats a serious question. You cant just give everybody money. Then theyll go buy everything and then its not one of the ive looked in my own research at this campaign to get a guaranteed income in the late 60s, early 70s. Thats in fact not one of the arguments that i saw against it. There wear lre a lot of argumen against it and i never saw that one. Thats an interesting question. Cara. Wait. Im not really an expert on this but i just learned about it in another class but it might be because of the economics at that time in america under brentonwoods, it was a different system so the u. S. Dollar was really strong at that time anyways and was pegged directly to gold. I think that the economic issue probably didnt even cross their mind because it wasnt like america was so strong at that particular time in history so i sort of cant think off the top of my head remember that the social safety net was put in place not just because roosevelt and the new dealers didnt want people to starve. It was put into place because they have a canzian idea of how to maintain economic growth. Get money into peoples hands so they can spend it. Ashley. During this time was there an establishment of minimum wage . There was. The federal minimum wage was established in the 1930s with the fair labor standards act. Remember when we talked about the social safety net we talked about some groups who were left out. The farm and domestic workers. Yeah. So to fight poverty they could increase peoples pay so maybe one person in the household is working they wouldnt be fall below poverty. Thats an issue now. Even if you work full time for minimum wage youre still below poverty level. Yeah so raise the minimum wage. More government regulation of the labor market. Make employers pay a certain wage. You know from contemporary politics theres all sorts of argument against it. It reduces employment but thats certainly one approach, too. All right. So if the Johnson Administration did not tinstitute a guaranteed income, it did not create jobs. What did it do . It actually did some of the things youre talking about here. So the federal war on poverty included sort of three themes. One was there was some expansion of the social safety net. So two Important Health programs established in the 1960s, what are they . Does anybody know . Medicare and medicaid, right . Remember national universal h d health insurance. Health care did not happen. Its falling victim to charges of socialized medicine, et cetera. It has too many enemies but we do get programs to provide federal aid for health care for two particular populations medicaid targets the very poor and medicare targets the aged. We also get food assistance, food stamps. Its not a big program. It becomes bigger later. Thats part of the expanding social safety net. We also get an expansion of social insurance so remember that under old age insurance and under unemployment insurance, a lot of groups were left out. Slowly gradually, right, more groups are incorporated and the level of funding increases. Thats not the heart of the war on poverty. When we talk about the federal war on poverty, we usually mean the programs under the Economic Opportunity act of 1964 that the opposite Economic Opportunity somebody said oeo, opposite of Economic Opportunity, operated. Those were focused on Human Capital development. Its not about fixing our economy, its about fixing poor people, right . Educate them. Job training. Get them the skills so they will be able to earn their way out of poverty. A hand up, not a hand out, right . Thats the motto of the oeo. Then Community Action which is its own sort of interesting youve read about this. Its an interesting thing. So i want to talk about the Human Capital Development Aspect for you here first for just a minute. Well, hold on a minute. So we get job corp which was a residential Job Training Program for young men disadvantaged young men. We get head start, education, right . Get poor children before they enter the School System so theyll have the skills before they get into the School System. Upward bound work study for high school and college students. So programs focused on education and job skills for the poor. Now, given the interpretation of black poverty in particular, who do you think these programs, particularly the job training targeted . Black males, right . Targeted black men so just to give you a sense of that, the womens bureau of the federal government was pushing really hard for a womens job karcorp, they are like women need to earn a living too. They finally got one but it was tiny compared to the mens job corp. It also promised to teach poor girls Family Responsibilities like how to be homemakers and how to be good wives and mothers. The job training offered by the war on poverty paralleled the sex segregated labor market so as one brochure offered job training for men as automecha c automechanic, heavy equipment operator, women were offered training for secretary, hospital serviced, Food Services and coul its not surprising its built around black poverty in particular. They rejected child care. That was not part of this either. In fact head start was not at all about child care, right . It was about this remedial education. So the New York Times editorialized while mothers compose the bulk of the well fair population, it is the deserting father and social and Economic Conditions that influence him to desert so even as afdc roles increased and people were hysterical about a well fair crisis then shouldnt you target womens poverty . No, the idea was if we train black men so they can be breadwinners, that will take care of black womens poverty and black childrens poverty because the families wont break up and theyll be supported. Okay. King. Lets go back to king for a m t moment and why we cant wait, 1963. He talked a little bit about this already. What does king offer as a solution to poverty. Cara and latrice. I really liked this excerpt from his book because not only did he talk about africanamericans and because, you know, you think of poor blacks and were thinking about the Civil Rights Movement and poverty but he touches on poor whites, just like a whole range of poverty in the United States and he suggests a pibillf rights for the disadvantaged so this whole process of helping everybody its not just like i just really liked reading this. He also mentions the urban league in his article. What did he suggest though . Ill let someone else talk about it but its really interesting. Latrice. So i know what i thought was most interesting because kind of touching on what she said, he didnt just want an uprising of africanamericans, he wants disadvantage people as a whole to be able to uprise. So i think he touched on the fact that you cant just make it equal and expect us to be okay with that. Well, what about what happened before we were equal and like he used the really good example of, two men starting at a race if one was 300 years of a head start you cant expect them to finish anywhere near the same. I think that was a really good analogy and he talked about how you cant just give them the opportunity but also the equipment to seize the opportunity you cant just oh, here you go but you have to training. Youre not able to do this so it didnt just come with opportunity. It came with preparing for the opportunity and giving them all of everything they need to do the opportunities or giving them education or better job training. I think that was cool that he didnt just want to tackle africanamericans. He wants to tackle everyone who was disadvantaged. I think that probably got a lot of white people on his side because youre not just speaking for your kind, youre speaking for everyone. I think that was really cool. It was a politically, smart thing to do there. Patrick and rose. I like that he actually was trying to come up to a solution to it by coming up to the bill of rights for the disadvantaged kind of like the gi bill to help people get to a trade school orh university and also have the government backing to help them so they wouldnt have to try to do it on their own because they didnt have the means to do it on their own. To have government help to help them. He said somewhere it wouldnt be that big of a burden on federal government or state governments because it gets paid into by everybody so everybody can benefit from it. Right. Yeah. Rose and then cara. I really liked how he kind of related it also to the indian structure and how he was talking to the Prime Minister and someone who he was with was asking about discrimination because i guess they said they let if it was a tie between an untouchable and another person that they would accept the untouchable and he was wondering if that was discrimination. He said well, it may be buttoni centuries of injustice weve inflicted on these people so he realizes that yeah, we screwed up and were trying to fix it but hes saying in the United States its so different. They are kind of like, oh, it already happened. Its over and we should just forget that part and now we should like try and be equal but its like you cant put someone in a box and then just like let them go and have them on their own. They dont know what to do. Okay. Cara. I think whats interesting about this also is, you know, first hes kind of has a racial liberal perspective when hes talking about how he says certainly the negro has been deprived in addition to being enslaved for two centuries he brings up the moral argument like obviously this is wrong how theyve been treated but he also has more not militant but more rampant activism when hes talking about what we can actually do like to fix the whole system as a whole in general with his programs and its just interesting because hes using a combination of both of the stuff weve been talk being in all of our classes in this writing. Yeah. It may be a king that you dont recognize so much from our popular narrative of king, right . I like his relations to the handicapped and to the veterans and how they were so quick to give them opportunity and them programs you dont discriminate against someone because they cant walk. You dont discriminate against someone because of what happened to them at war so why would you do it because of the color of their skin . So i think he did a good job of showing that relation and then i thought it was kind of funny he talked about how the same people who fought for unions is fighting against exactly what were trying to do which is essentially the same thing so i thought that was kind of funny. Yeah. So what specifically does he call for . What is in the bill of rights for the disadvantaged . Cara. First theres an economic section which i have highlighted but i really liked his social work section of it. Specifically like with job training how to write a job application, how to go through an interview process of the just basic social skills that have been kind of neglected in the past. Im sure lots of people had them but in general stuff that you might not know because youve never had a Job Interview. Your parents have never gone to a Job Interview before or written a job application before so just basic social things. So a massive social services program, right . Serious money into social services. Yes, thats one piece of it. Ashley. He seems to emphasize pretty heavily the Job Opportunities for people and he says that the africanamericans dont want to live on wellfair that theres no honor in that and that even when things are desegregated that they still dont have access to many of these institutions or even to go out to dinner because they dont make enough money. So in order for them to truly be equal, they need to open up a lot of these opportunities to them. Uhhuh. So enforcement of civil rights policies right . But beyond that not only this massive social work apparatus but full employment, job creation for all so nobody is poor. This is a pretty robust plan of federal investment in overcoming poverty. The mention of the untouchables and the mention of the gi bill are ways for him to justify, yes its for whites too but special treatment, right . Compensatory treatment. He says we cant at the very beginning, he says it is impossible to create a formula for the future which does not take into account that our society has been doing Something Special against the negro for hundreds of years. How then can he be absorbed into the mainstream of live if we do not do something for him now . So this is suggesting various forms of affirmative action to ensure even if its special treatment and he uses the gi bill to say, you know, we compensated these veterans with education and training, right, and loans for homes and businesses, et cetera, because they were deprived for a few years as they went to fight for our country. Well, africanamericans have been deprived for way longer than that, right, so why dont we do that for them. Scott. So i also found that he mentioned the wagner act and compared that you were allowed to organize as a labor group. Uhhuh. He said law designed to operate in the fashion of the wagner act may well be the answer to some of the problems of civil rights enforcements during the next decade. Yeah. So this is 1963, youve seen some of the images of whats happening in 1963 in the south. So the federal government basically needs to be more proactive and say these folks have a right to organize and for the federal government to be on their side, right. Yeah. King proposes the kill of rights tore the disadvantaged. So weve got the gi bill referred to now. Now weve got the martial plan. The United States spent billions of dollars to rebuild europe after world war ii. Why not spend billions of dollars to rebuild our cities which are crumbling. All of these plans wanted the federal government to spend billions of dollars, redeveloping the cities, ensuring that everybody had a job at living wages, ensuring that everybody had an income and nobody lived in poverty. You can imagine too, that they participated in the same kind of rhetoric about racial poverty. Racial discrimination has imm k imaskulated the negro man. The negro family can be reconstructed only when the negro male is permitted to be the economic and psychological head of the family. I want to stress that this is wide spread, right. Very few people are saying isnt that sexist . A few people are but you can see how even civil rights leaders are sharing in that kind of discourse. Okay. So we obviously dont get this kind of approach to poverty. We get a much narrower one. We get some education and job training. I want one more comment. I think one reason why these really Big Government plans dont work or are hard to implement is because people are really akprooe hepprehensive ab government. Our country was founded on a smaller central government. So i think when the federal government tries to implement these massive reaching changes plans it messes up the status quo and also worries people about massive Big Governments. Theres definitely a way in which opponents of these kinds of programs tap into that ideal of small government, right . If you look practically, right, they werent complaining about the fha and all of the loans that were going to build the suburbs. So it becomes visible in some debates and it remains invisible in others. I think you made a good point when you said the fha because they have privileges and when theres a power struggle within different groups and ones privileges arent necessarily seen as privileges for one group but when its a wider privilege they are like hey, thats mine. Its my right. Well its my right and its not for you. Its for us. So its sort of that struggle. Oh, we dont want this. We dont want the government to make it available for everybody. They want to make it really exclusive. Yeah. Its also the way these programs are framed, right . Social security or old age insurance isnt seen as part of the well fair state. I npaid into it. The vast majority get way more than they paid into it. Its part of the well fair system but its not framed that way. Its not viewed that way. So much more modest war on poverty we get. Programs under the office of Economic Opportunity never made more than 1. 5 of the federal budget. Is that really a war on poverty. I want to turn now to Community Action which is this very Interesting Program of offering federal funds to local organizations, nonprofits, and governments to develop programs to fight poverty on a local level. They were supposed to be implemented with maximum feasible participation of the people to be served. Now, initially what they thought that meant, the policy makers meant by that is that they didnt want blacks for excluded, right . But people on the ground give it a much more militant meaning in saying in that poor people had to be represented in designing and implementing these programs. So Community Action funds all over the country, you read about two of these programs and sort of their political fate. Youve read about the child Development Group of mississippi which amy jordan writes about and the selfhelp Housing Group in baltimore which Ronda Williams writes about. Lets talk about those for a few minutes. Amy jordan. What is the child Development Group of mississippi and how does it reflect Community Action . It was probably my favorite article to read. Amy jordans article. I think theres so much emphasis on the negro mail. We see the grafts and quotes and everything removes from the negro mail. I think everything in this program give africanamerican women their voices because these Little Centers were run locally by locals for locals. You didnt have a lot of outside influence. I thought that was really cool they were able to come in and they dont have to be qualified for a teacher. They dont have to have extensive education thats in these segregated schools. I think they made a point to be essentially the opposite because they wanted to show them they are doing it wrong and here is how its supposed to work. So i think it really made people want to be involved in it. So there was a ton of involvement in creating and building and being apart of it. It give women their own way to express themselves and at the same time they were able to bring in money for their families. I think it really changed a lot in their communities. I think it was almost more beneficial for the africanamerican women because you can tell the difference it made in the women in their ability to express themselves in the way they wanted to. They felt a sense of pride that they were able to contribute and do all of this but i thought it was really cool. Yeah. Its a Head Start Program so its in this kind of Human Capital development but it unexpectedly on the ground through Community Action ends up empowering local people to see we can design an Education System thats different from the segregated mississippi system and we can run it and we dont to have to be these experts, right, we are experts essentially. Another thing i thought was really cool about the head start was that there was an emphasis on Parent Involvement and like if the parents had any concerns they are like well, come in and teach with us and i think it was a good way for them to feel like they are really investing in their children and it was like empowering for them. They felt like they were giving their kids really good start in life. I think that was a struggle for a lot of people because being poor and everything its like you dont have a lot to offer your children especially when they are that young and arent in Public School yet so like, yeah. Yeah. Any other necomments or thought on amy jordon . Why did the white power structure in mississippi target the child Development Group of mississippi, right. The clan didnt like it. The building was vandalized. People were threatened. If you send your kid to this program as opposed to the public preschool, bad things will happen. Latrice. I know in the article it talks about how a lot of the parents and people who were0l÷i the opportunity to expand their own education and with that came the knowledge of the programs and the things that were being ran in mississippi that maybe they werent so aware of beforehand so it also gave them incentive to take action against it and so i think the uprising of that, the fact that they wanted to be involved in higher than just this head start thing is like their hold up you know, no, no, no. Thats where the back lash came from was the fact that they didnt want these africanamerican women and people who were once, you know, uneducated now they are becoming more educated. They didnt want them to partake in it. I think a lot of the lack lash came from that. I think thats why the oeo took money away from them because they came under a lot of pressure. I think that had a lot to do with t with the lack bash of that. A lot of these federal programs were optional for states. So a state would say were not going to do food stamps and activists on the ground would push really hard and say yes, you are. We feed food stamps. So absolutely more access to a social net. Whats the connection between cdgm and segregation . Latrice again. I was just reading on it. I know that they started like a petition that demanded the desegregation of it and right after that, they sued them and then that is ultimately how they desegregated schools. Other communities around them started going okay, well desegregate. It kind of was like that little spark that made everything go around and that kind of was the jump start to desegregation around them. I love that stat where all of the kids who were the first desegregators were kids who had been at cdgm, right . So those families. It could be self selection but also something about that involvement in the group. So this is an example of absolutely unintended consequences. The federal government thought the Johnson Administration thought well, well give some funds to kind of local people and theyll have a service center, right, where they can tell people where they can get benefits or whatever. Theyll do a little Job Training Program. Here we have federal money going in to a group that not only empowers poor africanamericans in mississippi but empowers them to begin challenging local officials so you can imagine state and local officials calling democrats calling the Johnson Administration, hey, wait a minute. Theres the political pressure, right . All right, lets turn to Ronda Williams and the case in baltimore. Cara and patrick. I thought this article was interesting because baltimore is a northern city. Border state but did. Its in maryland. I guess. Anyways so basically the gist of this article is you have johnsons Community Action Program Going into baltimore and setting up social all of the stuff that its setting up and you have the activists in the city saying like hey, we have our own thing thats we want to add to this plan that the poor actually want from their communities and they didnt just let johnsons program come in and take over. This group formed in 1965, i dont know if it formed in 1965 but baltimores union for jobs or income now so its called u join. That kind of brought the poor people together in their neighborhood look a Grass Roots Movement to actually fight tore wh what they really wanted in this program to do instead of what we were talking about before. Money coming in to do some basic good. They actually wanted full rounded changes. Great. Political representation, right . This little federal money coming into the community provides a focus. It provides the resources necessary for organizing that really ramps up some of the economic conflict thats going on in these cities, patrick. I always thought that when they finally started trying to get that representation more for the poor for their own communities and the city wide thing that they started to have Self Help Housing Programs. It seemed like it was almost immediately taken up by the city council and they tried to put restrictions on them and it went from a Community Based organization that was going to help their own neighborhoods and Community Within the city to get into the bigger city council where they started telling them that they cant i cant remember the specifics but there were a lot of restrictions where they couldnt do what they wanted to do within their community so just on the a bigger scale within a little city you have this Community Control being taken over by a bigger government controlled group. Yeah. Rose. Also it says the baltimore chapter of the naacp they kind of stepped in and they were like, oh, why didnt you consult the citys plan for action had not consulted black leaders, social workers or civil rights or neighborhood organizations and that is including the poor people. So they werent even really going to the root of the problem essentially. I feel like they could have done a lot better with talking to people and kind of getting more of the fuller picture. Uhhuh. Okay. I feel like johnsons Government Program that he set almost started a snow ball affect in all of these cities and towns that was being implemented in with the Self Help Housing Program what patrick was talking about how it went to the higher City Councils you have the formation of Neighborhood Housing Action Committee and once they see it is affective in some areas. Other groups are getting together and they are actually standing up for their own rights they are allowed to asenl and say what they want to say so they are actually doing it. So its a snow ball affect so a little bit of money is giving them hope oh, we can actually do what we want with this now. When its taken away from them again they will actually stand up because they feel like they have government backing this time even though they actually dont. Its kind of like a hope. Its empowering for them, right . And the charges that are used to limit their political representation, limit their ability to run these programs, fraud, mismanagement, how can people who cant even earn a living run a federal program, right . When these programs were quite successful. This will be repeated over and over throughout ever since. Charges of fraud, charge mismanagement to undermine democratic participation here of poor people. Yeah. All right so any other comments on Ronda Williams or amy jordon . So i want to talk for a minute heading back to amy jordan for africanamericans in the south, i think amy jordan really makes the point that the war on poverty was part of the Civil Rights Movement for them, right . Economic empowerment, the ability to run their communities. It was also part of a stand that were going to stay here and we have a right to live in our communities and to the starve because with Civil Rights Activism, you get this Movement Among white elites in the south who were trying to encourage outmigration. They wanted africanamericans we dont need them anymore on the plantations. We want them to leave. An example here is is this man, a lawyer whose last name was luckett who was on an antipoverty board in mississippi and the resigned. The federal report is that he believes the solution to the race problem in the south is the outmigration of niegros. He thinks the real purpose of oeo is to interfere with the normal laws of supply and demand and to negate the outmigration of negros from the delta. Mississippi senator john stenas and georgia senator Richard Russell actually proposed the creation of a voluntary racial relocation commission. This would be a federal body that would encourage what they called equitable distribution ever black residence throughout the nation, right . So were tired of being challenged on race just get them out of here. One application to the oeo from an africanamerican poor person in the south i think expresses the counter to that. Some people who were evicted have left the county she said and have gone to other areas of the state. Yet others have elected to stay in the county and help solve the problems of their native land. These people deserve the right to be given a chance to be productive citizens of their choosing. Its almost a right to be here and not have to go somewhere else. So thats one facet in the south of the war on poverty. The challenges that Community Action face though made it particularly vulnerable as weve seen. Democratic mayors and governors and Congress People very angry that federal funds are being used to challenge state and local governments. Johnson agreed with them. Community action was very often implicated with Civil Rights Activism. Johnson said the rat browns dh. Rat brown, we havent talked about him be the Martin Luther king s and all of them are products of Community Action. Thats where he get tthey get t. We finance all of them. Notice here linking black power folks with Martin Luther king to Community Action. So johnson is to fan. He wants to get rid of Community Action. In 1967 there are all kinds of restrictions placed on it that it allow local governments to take more control of it. Another thing thats linked to Community Action is the so called riots that occurred beginning in harlem in 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968. Outbreaks of violence throughout the country. You read the introtucdurks tctie turner report. This was after the detroit riot was a particularly big one. Five days. 41 dead after the detroit riot. There were 163 riots during the summer of 1967. Johnson put together this panel to investigate and come up with an explanation so were moving now to interpreting urban uprisings. So what is the colonel commission. This commission by the way is chaired by the governor of illinois and has members from both parties on it and has a labor official and member of the naacp. Its a real blue ribbon panel. What did they have to say. I thought it was interesting. White tuinstitutions created it White Society condones it talking about the violence that occurred. They are talking about the ghetto. Yeah. But thats where the riots occurred. So they are saying that white institutions created it. They maintain it. They keep that status quo. I thought its interesting that they basically define institutional racism in this report so its pretty blatant that its there. I dont really know why nothing was fully done about it. Yeah. Johnson actually shoved this report. He was not happy with this report. Scott. This was a short quote that kind of stood out to me. He said this is our basic conclusion. Our nation is moving toward two societies, one black, one white, separate and unequal. Yeah. Now this is 1967, right . The report comes out in 1968 weve had a Civil Rights Act past, federal housing act past and yet we are here moving into two separate and unequal soci y societi societies. Institutional racism, the whole process of metropolitan development. I mean its interesting to hear this federal commission actually, you know . We learned about the concept of institutional racism by reading black power and here is a federal panel. Yes. Okay. The Kerner Commission therefore, here is some pictures of the rite o riots just to give you a sense. This is from the detroit riot of 1967. Institutional racism relative deprivation and frustrated expectations. Africanamericans growing up in an affluent society in the civil rights age who dont see things changi changing. They go to bad schools and live in poor neighborhoods so its an ut bre outbreak of frustration is how the kerner panel explains it. How would carmichael interpret it. They are talking about how this has been implemented theres no actual changes that have really come from this movement. Societal change. It cant be the acts that are passed. There needs to be some actual action. This article focused more on different. Im thinking about their use of the colonial metaphor to describe the ghetto. So certainly they would target institutional racism but for them, this is a political its not just people are frustrated and angry, this is a political rebellion, right . You can hear this in different language people use to describe the uprising. Is a riot, criminality or is it a rebellion, a political act. This is how they would see it. A colonial population attacking the sources of exploitation. In the riots, typically the property that was damaged is property owned by nonblacks so they are targeting that notion of exploitation in their community. Also theres a good chance that the media highlighted on more of the worst parts of it in pretty much every other story and it affects how other people see that dont live there. They are not there first hand. Mostly what they get is on the news like the radio and a lot of white people control the media and the other side of the media is just like the black Power Movement but then the other white people see just this one vision of riots and just shedding the worst light on the black people who really just want change. Thats a really astute comment. Here is the most common explanation, right . Its a culture of poverty. These are young men growing up without father figures who end up being delinquents and criminals. You can see that that couple of quotations i have for you. The wall street journal in 1964. Family live break down in negro slums sows seeds of race violence. Husbandless homes spawn hoodlums sowsiologists say. The culture of poverty that results from male unemployment and family break up generates a system of ruthless exploititive relationships within the ghetto so yes, the more common explanation as rose suggests is that its criminality. The answer is not massive programs to rebuild the ghetto or open opportunity. The answer is law and order. In fact the crime bill in 1968 gave a wind fall to local police to maintain order in the ghetto. All right. So imagining alternatives. Alternatives to the federal governments focus on Human Capital development. We talked about one alternative already which was keying and the urban league and the freedom budget, right . Massive investment. We will talk about two others. One is the emerge of a well fair rights movement. The other is kings last vision before he was assassinated which is the poor peoples campaign. Then a third one is the black power perspective from tury and hamilton. We will see if we can get through all of this. So remember the segmented well fair state. Let me wipe this off. Weve alluded to this here a little bit but in the Social Security act of 1965 that set up the structure of the American Well fair state, we have on the one side social insurance that would be old age, what we call Social Security now. Old age insurance and unemployment insurance. Remember a lot of groups are left out of this most denominatedenominat predominately agricultural workers, domestic workers. On the other side we have public assistance which are the programs that come to be known as well fair and they target certain groups not expected to be in the labor force and the most controversial and largest is aide to dependent children. You can see here from the Social Security board very early on a very positive view on this program so that dependent children can grow up in their own families. The federal and governments provide cash allowances more children will have chances to live normal wholesome lives in their own homes. The discrepancy is white widows. As white widows get folded in here we add survivors here and women who are widows who had been married to a covered insured male through this system can get funded this way leaving adc to unmarried mothers and minorities and the poor who dont have access to this. So over the post war period the population of adca, fdc shifts. The image of it becomes much less positive, right . So lets look at a couple of documents that you read. You read two that involve adc in particular. One is the urban league of new orleans which is responding to what they see as a crisis in louisiana in 1960. The other is the advocate for well fair. This is Elizabeth Wickenden whos proposing a certain response to these programs. So what did you read . Whats happening in louisiana in 1960 . Joseph. They are going to pass a bill or a few bills that would say that if a child was going to receive money it had to be in a suitable home so all homes without with Single Parents or parents not working they would be left out of the bill. The document was arguing that it was backed by racial standards or racial i guess standards. Yeah. So the suitable home provision really said that if the household has an illegitimate child, a child born out of wed lock then its considered an unsuitable home and not eligible for aid. 23,000 children are knocked off. What really stands ou at and think is important is that they say the urban league said there was public inaction. No one was doing anything about this. It seems pretty blatantly messed up just from any perspective. I mean theres definitely white people who have illegitimate children, im sure. The rates were actually growing faster for whites but many white families, youd give it up for adoption, its a whole other system. Yeah. Right so the press barely played any attention to it so the urban league was trying to get the press to shed some light on this. They actually ended up getting attention from International British women. Other people around the world but its kind of surprising it shows institutional racism at the time where the big massive the press, the government, other people were kind of ignoring this starving children