Transcripts For CSPAN3 Alex 20240705

Unfortunately a reoccurring subject. It has a tendency to reappear when you think its gone after the second world war, the holocaust, it seems that antijewish sentiments will be the thing of. The past 6 million perished under nazi extermination machine. The worst is behind us five. The. Those are the saints thoughts that were going through jewish minds 1882, when nationalists conducted a serious of programs that drove 2. 4 million out of the russian empire, or the sixth in 48 close up riots when 40 to 50000 were killed. I can keep on going and tell you about centuries of jewish persecution, but im sure alex will cover some of it in his riveting lecture recently, the Antidefamation League report indicated a 36 increase of attacks in the United States for the year 2022, the highest number on record since adl began tracking antisemitic incidents. In 1979. This is the third time in the past five years that year end total has been the highest number ever recorded. The author and lecturer alex alex ryvchin and i have a similar story. Were both in the soviet union and both immigrated at the same age to countries that protected us and our jewish identity. Alex to australia and i and other. Alex to israel. Im proud to call him a friend and im sure youll enjoy his lecture. Alex was born in kiev, ukraine. His family left the soviet as refugees and refuseniks in 1987, when alex was three years old, he attended the Sydney Boys High School and went on to study law and politics at the university of New South Wales he worked for a member of state legislator, a researcher and speechwriter before practicing law at two of the Worlds Largest law firms. First in sydney and then in london. He served the spokesperson for the Zionist Federation of the United Kingdom and was awarded a prestigious israel fellowship to work as. A Research Fellow and staff writer at a jerusalem based think tank. In 2013, he joined the executive council of australian jewry, australias premier, representative and advocacy body for the Australian Jewish community, and was promoted to cochief. Officer in 2018, becoming one of the youngest leaders, the jewish diaspora. He he is a member of the jewish diplomatic corps as well. His fourth book which were about to hear, the seven deadly myths, is the subject of this lecture and investing the extraordinary conspiracy theories behind antisemitism. Ladies and gentlemen. Future. Thank you very much is a true pleasure. Be with you all this evening. I want thank the deputy consul alex candler for his generous introduction and for the work he does for the state of israel. I want to thank dylan rice and Charlene Frazier from the for their organizational prowess and for attending to my visit with such professionalism and care. I want to thank each of the hosting organizations the consulate of israel, the world jewish congress, the Antidefamation League and the american jewish. The three organizations at the absolute forefront of the battle against antisemitism and three organizations with which had the honor of working for many years. I also want to thank general naz sultan to don, who is currently in israel. Ive had the good fortune to work with outstanding diplomats over the years, but a not is peer. Shes a person of the highest integrity, devotion and excellence and im proud to call her a friend to be here tonight is a singular honor even going up 10,000 miles from here in sydney australia. The greatness of dr. King filled me with all dr. King teaches us to remain unwaveringly focused in our mission, to be stronger, more resolute than our adversaries when facing overwhelming force. To understand that the means must as pure as the ends we seek. Most of all, he shows us that words. Words spoken and written can alter history and set our societies on new paths. To me, dr. King is the greatest american to be with you all this evening. His city in this center that bears his name is an honor i will cherish for my days. My reasons for writing this new book, the seven deadly myths antisemitism from time of christ to kanye west. A much like the subject matter complex antisemitic and has seen our people dispossessed, displaced, massacred in every generation. But it has also given the pride and sense of duty that comes from enduring, from being survivors, from belonging to a tiny sliver of the jewish people that has made it to this day without intact telling our trying to make sense of it as this book to do is an expression that pride and duty antisemitism is also deeply personal to every. For me and my family, coming from the soviet union, i saw how it affected my parents and grandparents it presented as a sort of looming a tendency to experience joy only while waiting for the next disaster and a fear that seemed to forever look in the eyes. I experience some small dose of this as a boy of 12 or 13 living with my family in a middle class neighborhood in sydney, directly upstairs from lived a man who was a migrant from australia who would stand on his balcony and bellow at us night after alternating between a thunderous, guttural roar and sneering tone full of menace. Hitler didnt finish the job i will finish it for him. It was plainly terrifying to hear and it pains me to see the fear return full bore to my parents eyes. There are many aspects of antisemitism which make it distinct from forms of hatred. Its transmitted through wellhoned mythology and conspiracy. Its characterization of the subject as both inferior and malevolently superior, its capacity to shift from a prejudice to a megalomaniacal quest consumes entire countries and continents. Theres another aspect antisemitism, which makes it unique and which, more than any other reason, compelled me to write this book. For all the ruin it has brought to humanity, for all the misery continues to bring to our communities throughout the world. For all the statistics and Intelligence Report showing how vulnerable and threatening the jewish people remain. Antisemitism is dismissed, erased and downplayed. No other form of hatred is so apparent and yet so denied. And this occurs even in todays climate of hypersensitive city to all forms of discrimination. The are considered too privileged, too powerful, too well organized, too assertive. And these are qualities associated with perpetrators than. This denial of antisemitism is perhaps the ultimate insult and the greatest obstacle to. The question that arises from all this is why. Why are the treated this way . Why have such been inflicted on them throughout their history . Why are they still beaten in the streets, shot in their synagogues, their tombstones smashed and daubed with insignia of those who sought to them from the earth . The philosopher Jeanpaul Sartre theorized that the antisemitism i hate the who he or she really is, but instead hates the mythical. Some creation conjured like all the ills of modernity upon a living, breathing thing. The novelist philip roth thought it all began with shakespeares the merchant events and the very first words that shakespeare put on the lips. Shylock 3000 stupids, a reference to the events, according to ralph, the association with vengefulness and greed was forever forged. Another common explanation is that its a jealousy arising from perceived jewish success. And indeed, we hear much about jewish contributions and achievements. The arts and sciences that 23 of nobel Prize Winners are jewish, despite making up just 0. 1 to 5 of the worlds population. But success does not of itself hatred. We admire those we consider deserving. We only despise those we consider undeserving. In my view, the answer is not the philosopher, ethical or psychological, but certainly financial. Much of what the experience part of their expulsion from judea in the year 135 ce was unremarkable. Slavery in egypt unremarkable. The strong. The weak. As economic resources. Egypt was strong. Israel was weak. Hence israel was enslaved. The conquest of the jewish kingdoms assyria, babylon, greece and rome was also predictable. In an age of expansionist empires, israel was not a great empire. Hence it was conquered. But is remarkable is that the , all of this even became fortified in their sense of self, when others were heard of no more. They emerged from egypt when others were simply away. They returned from exile babylon to rebuild their temple in and establish their own civilization with distinct languages. Culture, traditions and connection to land. Whereas other vanquished, exiled peoples with no land to sustain and keep simply disappeared among the peoples without come to live. Perhaps it is this success, the success of surviving, for which the have never been forgiven. When the greeks and romans came upon the jewish commonwealth, they sought to assimilate its people in order to spread the word influence and suppress the independent thinking that is so dangerous among the colonized people. The fact that the would not pray to form gods rulers drove their rulers frenzy fewer hatred much as those to forget their lonely place. The were the first people to reject the worship of in many gods and find belief in a single, all powerful ever present divinity that the moral, selfless living that sustains societies far better than military might. Soon this of ethical monotheism began to spread both christianity. Islam accepted the fundamental tenets of judaism. But these religions could not thrive as. Mere sects or derivatives of judaism. And in order to prove that they legitimate successors, they had do one of two things. They could convince the the original monotheist, to accept the new faith and thereby accepting that they were legitimate successors. The eighth century muslim historian ibn ishaq wrote that muhammad, indeed appealed to the elders of the jewish tribes that lived around him to accept his new religion. And in response they annoyed him with questions. Sounds about right. Tested his claims and propositions and found them unconvincing. This may be historys earliest recorded of the answering questions with questions. And established the as the villains. The story of islam. When the framers of these new faiths realized the would not be moved and stubbornly that their conception of god, their profits, their testament, were complete and sufficient, they shifted to option number two. If the not accept these new faiths, they must be in a permanently degraded state as living evidence of their defeat. How could the maintain that they correct in their beliefs and had the favor of god . When christians and muslims thrived while lived in suffering after muhammad failed to convince the jewish tribes, he massacred them. Soon laws were passed to isolate. Bring them low, keep them in perpetuity in a humiliated isolated state. By this point, around the beginning of the dark, the fate of the was essentially. Suspicion descended. On this oddity. The people who prayed an extinct tongue possessed land and clung to ancient traditions like superstitions. And this, in turn, justified the enactment of new laws to further separate from non to prevent them from doing harm. And in this separation, the suspicion and, fear around them only grew. Were forbidden from appearing in public during the holy week. They were prohibited Holding Public office in iran. They were prohibited from walking the street during the reign for that, their own cleanliness would wash off to sully muslim shoes. In 1434, the council of basel decreed that could not obtain an Academic Degree or period banquets, festivities with christians or even engage in much conversation. How could they pierce this growing body of lies surrounded them if they had no power to speak. And this is why cherish. And defend our right to advocate. To this day these laws made everything that was claimed about the selffulfilling. Of course, people them to be sinister and insular and tribal and backward. When this catalog of laws that shut them in and shut them out made them appear so. And these laws also established as people of no worth clearly inferior. In George Orwells down and out in paris and london orwell speaks of a conversation with the retired russian officer of the officer says to the world that it was considered poor form in the russian army to, spit on a because an officers spittle was considered too precious to be wasted a. This debasement of the is what would make the ultimate destruction so easy to carry out. The also prohibited from joining guilds, which therefore excluded them from the traditional as merchants and craftsmen, and forced them more and more to turn to the practice of Money Lending which bound them up with the hated elements of money and interest and credit. A dangerous new dynamic. Suddenly, this inferior race stood as creditable to their masters. Then came world affairs, which nothing to do with the , but which would affect them profoundly. The spread of liberal ism. The fall of all monarchies, power structures. The french and russian revolutions. Napoleon tore down ghetto walls and repealed antisemitic laws in the territories. He conquered. But this only unleashed the fury of the local populations and fueled conspiracy theories spread by supporters. The old regimes that since the benefited from these revolutions, that dark hand had in fact orchestrated them. This began the social action of the with radicalism, modernity, and the fall of traditional values and structures. The became the symbol, everything good and cherished, being washed away. This nostalgia, a bygone era, and the belief of the is the agent of its pollution, is common to all antisemitic movements from nazis and to the radical elements. The antiisrael movement today, with the fall of empires and, the rise of nation states based on ethnic, national, religious and linguistic cohesion, the became a problem, be solved. Who were these people . Who is . Leon pinsker said lived everywhere but nowhere in the right place. They lived by the millions. Poland, the window poles in germany on germans. And in this time of shifting borders and civil wars. The became unwanted. Humans stalk they could be ravaged and set upon with impunity. Then came the final disastrous evolution in human thinking the advent of race, science the belief that the world is divided into distinct racial categories, each with their one unchangeable, inherent and behavioral characteristics. Suddenly, the jewish problem could no longer be solved through assimilation or conversion. It required a final. As world wars set in, the were robbed blind, herded into ghettos, transfer in cattle cars to purpose built factories, death, and gassed with the common pesticide, or they were just shot into the danube or crammed into bonds and set alight. This the crescendo to hundreds of years lies and propaganda that had successfully this proud and ancient people as vermin. The creation of the state of israel was meant end jewish vulnerability and ameliorate antisemitism by finally putting the on an equal footing to all other nations. But experience of israel has mirrored that the. Its place. The world is still contested. Its success attracts as much scorn as it does respect, and its often depicted a unique source of evil. It may be that we can never truly the why of antisemitism and. Maybe that it is so ingrained, so available as to evade rational understanding. But by shifting focus from the why to the how. As isaac herzog said in reference to my book of this baffling and dangerous phenomenon, we actually have the of understanding, confronting, diffusing it. The how about antisemitism lies in the seven deadly myths a series of conspiracy theories that have hounded the jewish people for millennia. The blood libel killers of christ. Global domination. Obsession with money. Loyalties. A people that have passed from being oppressed to oppressors. And a people that are superior in based on being the chosen. The myth of global domination is perhaps the most common. All conspiracy theories and the deadliest and its story. A study in the power of propaganda and the frailty of the human mind. The story of the myth of jewish global domination begins with an obscure german writer of historical of the 19th century. In 1875, hermann goodchild published a novel titled periods. And within it was a chapter in. He spoke about a secret meeting of jewish elders in the jewish in prague, held at midnight, where they will plot the downfall of humanity in churches. Each of the elders took their turn, delivering a speech explaining how they would control of government media, liquor, real estate, anything else worth controlling. Its plainly a work of fiction, complete with politics. But its incredibly memorable, compelling stuff because it sought to explain the complex movements and forces in society and laid all blame a single familiar enemy. The chapter was then turned into a separate pamphlet titled, the rabbis speech, which took the 13 speeches and amalgamated them into a single address, supposedly delivered by a rabbi at a sacred communal meeting. The rabbis speech was in, printed and disseminated en masse by a russian fascist group called the black hundreds. At the beginning of the 20th century, in to divert popular outrage of peasants from the czar and the ruling class towards the , a committed antisemite by the name of pavel khrushchev on printed and distributed rabbis speech in a place called kitchener in todays moldova. In 1903, which sparked brutal mob rampage in, a place with no prior history of antisemitic violence. Khrushchev on was appointed the editor of the major newspaper in st moving from the provinces the heart of russian power. He used his new platform to publish for the very first time another antisemitic, perhaps the deadliest text ever written. What the historian norman cohen has called the warrant for genocide the protocols of the elders zion, a british war correspondent traveling with the russian armies during the civil war, said the protocols were everywhere and the officers and of the army blamed the entire cataclysm on the hebrew. They believed that all their misfortune had been caused by some shadowy International Order of muscling of jewish civilians and shoot the protocols, then made their way to germany where they see the minds of the middle class. Just as germany was looking for someone to blame for war, defeat and economic rolling hitler set of the protocol. Once this text becomes generally to all people the jewish menace be regarded as already vanquished. The great industrialist ford played a key role the spread of the jewish global domination conspiracy. Ford purchased his local the minuscule dearborn independent. He then hired the best editors and muckrakers from nearby detroit and turned the paper into one of the highest circulating in the country. Using his nationwide network of ford dealerships to distribute the paper, copies were even tossed in with the first 15 million ford cars sold by 1927. The first 91 consecutive editions of the dearborn independent contained attacks on the beginning with the first front page article which had the headline. The international the worlds problem. That front page article alone blamed the for controlling government. Real estate, finance even for the advent of jazz music. Now, these may seem like the harmless of a wealthy eccentric. The ford was obsessed with antisemitism. And he used of his wealth and Creative Genius to peddle his. He took the most popular articles and bundled them into a two volume work called the international , which he deliberately did. No copyright to allow for its Global Distribution cheap and easy. It became an International Sensation and remains on sale on amazon today. Hitler kept a portrait of ford in his Munich Office and called him his inspiration. At the war crimes trial of the head of the hitler youth, bodo von schirach von trier testified that the key antisemitic text which made him and his generation antisemitic was henry fords international. He said, we read it and became antisemitic in the wretched, poverty stricken germany of the time. We look to america and to us. Henry ford represented america. Now we might like to think that society has evolved beyond believing in jewish elders, plotting global domination in a cemetery, or kidnaping children to drink that blood. But these myths survive. They survive. And how the jewish people are perceived. The myth of jewish obsession with money was responsible for the abduction attempted extortion, torture and brutal murder. It belongs halimi in paris. In 2006. Halimi a young was chosen because the ringleader told his disciples to target a because theyre all loaded with money. Halimi lived in Public Housing with a single mother in 2021 during an escalation. The israelipalestinian conflict. Turkish president erdogan said of the israelis there murderers. It is in their nature to the point that they will kill children as young as five and six years old. There only satisfied by sucking their blood. And then we had cognac. West perhaps the most influential artist of the last ten years who assembled every antisemitic Conspiracy Theory from jewish money jewish power jewish filth and pornography. He unified antisemitic outliers in disconnected movements and communities harness the immense power social media and broadcast his message to make to millions using videos and tweets and the podcast as the media tool that hung on his every. The true impact of kanye wests mainstreaming of antisemitism may not be fully understood for some time. In an essay published in march 1898, in harpers magazine, mark twain wrote the following. The has made a marvelous fight in this world and has done it with hands behind him. Other peoples is the persian, the babylonian the egyptian filled the world with sound and splendor, and they faded dream stuff and were heard of no more. Then the greek and roman came. And they too are gone. The saw them all beat, them all, and remains what he always showing. No decadence, no infirmities, age, no weakening of his parts, no doubling of his alert and aggressive mind. All things are mortal, the. All things pass. But the remains. The fact of the always outlived their tormentors is not some quirk of history. Its precisely because by turning this numerically minuscule nation that gave the world its great religions, their ethics derived from them, they have turned a vital part of themselves and in doing so, have suffered a mortal wound. My hope for this book is that by exposing this stupid of antisemitism, showing how it works, people will become less susceptible to it. Less manipulated by it. And the tie that binds the hands of the jewish people and of all can finally be loosened. Thank you very much. Let me just say now we have time for both. Here we go. Okay. Thank you so much, alan, i please dont. Thank you. Were going to have an opportunity for you to ask alex any questions that you have on your mind. So if you would kindly raise your hand, ill try to get to many people as possible in the time we have, but were going to start the q a now. So sort that hand go first. Would you mind passing this. Whats been the reaction to the book as youve laid out before us today . Its early days. The book has Just Launched the last week, but where ive presented it, its been very well received by all sorts audiences. I think even within the jewish world, theres a lack of understanding of antisemitism. Its something that the jewish people, as all people, they experience and feel racism and hatred towards them in their bones, they can identify it and sense it. But to unravel it and look at it in a logical sense to understand how its transmitted, how its passed on throughout time and throughout the world. I think a lot of people like that understanding. And my hope for this book is that will lay bare the mechanics of antisemitism, how it works, merely why it occurs. But so far the reception has been very good. Thank you very much. Hi. I just wondered your view of the impact of social media on social as an extraordinary thing and spoke about kanye west. The conclusion of my remarks, you know, henry ford and adolf hitler would have wished i had the power of the internet, the power of social media at their disposal, the ability to immediately create content distributed to millions and millions of in a targeted fashion. Its an extraordinarily powerful used for good and benevolent purposes, for benign purposes but also for the utmost evil and seeing what happens today, the rapidity with which conspiracy theories can spread false information. And i think all minorities and all Community Groups are the victims of this. The powerless are the ones that suffer the most from this. And to regulate social media is a virtual impossibility because its so widespread and its so instantaneous, but it needs to be understood. What a powerful tool this is in spite of propaganda and in the incitement of hatred and violence. Since compose a very small of the global population and here in georgia, were less than percent. One of the great difficulties is for people to understand what is it was a poll done here earlier this year that said 52 of people do not know what antisemitism is. Yeah, how does one get powers to communicating that in effective way that rises above the cynicism that will inevitably follow it . I think we need a strong ground game. I think Something Like this has to occur person to person level. The more engagement that can be between and non in forums such as this beyond the better. You know, one of the other things revealed by polling is that the more that people know jewish people, they love jewish people, because this myth, the , this mythical with, all the lies and slander and conspiracy theories around him has entered the world into its consciousness. And the more that the real flesh and blood can enter, it displaces the mythical. The two cant be in the same place. So education, a kind of top down level, hopefully books like mine, can contribute to that. And i think it should be read schoolchildren and needs to begin at that age that form of education. But engagement is critical just on a personal level, not an advocacy level, but human to human interaction, to see what the really are, to see the jewish people in their truth and diversity. Thank for being here. So. You are an incredible man. Youve an incredible career and you are very influential as an author. One of the major things i would hope you would agree is to effect change. Have you do you plan to reach out to kanye and, maybe have a conversation with him now that your book has been released that i would love that would love for many reasons. Firstly i adored kanye wests music. I cant bring myself to listen to it now. I will again. But i love the man i loved his music, so it hurt me on a personal level. Well, to see the things that he said. But i always believe in giving people benefit of the doubt and giving them the chance and. In my work, i sit across from a lot of politicians who one forms of view, all based on their public persona and speeches theyve given and. When you sit across from a human being, you often realize the private person is very different to the public person. So if somehow that opportunity arose, i would grab it with both hands 100 . Thank you for the wonderful presentation and thanks for the israeli consulate for making this event. Possible. What do you are . Some of the root causes of antisemitism in the western hemisphere of the world . Well, in some reasons the beginning, but im not sure if i was able to associate them to, uh or to the root causes present in the western world, in view. As i said, it comes from circumstance in which the were placed place themselves throughout history. And the fact that throughout their existence in exile, they were an easily identified able, numerically weak minority group, meant that with all the forces in society that were happening around them, the revolutions, the changes, the could always be blamed for everything. And they had very little power to defend themselves. But in an advocacy, advocacy sense and in a physical sense and at some point antisemitism became so ingrained in the consciousness. So to people so familiar to people that, whenever something went wrong, the could be blamed. Theres a famous case i speak about in the first chapter of the book, the case of son of trout, a two year old boy drowned in canal in the northern village of trent in the 15th century. Suspicion fell on the jewish families as tended to happen. They were arrested, tortured, then burnt alive in a public square. Every time a child disappeared. Europe after that incident, the blamed. And this is how antisemitic works. It evades the rational and it just becomes something thats so, so familiar to people that whenever some misfortune occurs, their own lives in wider society, the is blamed. What you think is the impact of the hate amongst. In the jewish world . Yeah, yeah. Thats a problem. But its always been the way, you know, its not easy to be a. And so some have embraced the difficulties and and have taken strength from it and others turn away and apathy with a shrug of the shoulders and others going, other again and use their jewishness to attack the jewish people, they side with their oppressors. Its common amongst all persecuted peoples. Its deeply tragic. It occurs. Its politically and, socially, very damaging, because when comes out and trashes his or her people that held up as a truth. But i think the only that can be done about it really is for those voices as those fringe voices to be drowned by the vast majority that are proud of the jewishness to the diverse and the jewishness and dont subscribe to those fringe views in any shape or form. I think all we can do. I totally enjoyed your truck. I think its terrific in listing your seven days lessons, you didnt. Im wondering if criticism of israel today, which understand may be the genesis of current antisemitism. How does one make the distinction between that . Its informed by the wonder of of the seven deadly sins and those that might be legitimate criticisms of israel. Yeah its a very good question. And we cant always know whats someones heart and mind when they come out and criticize israel, but judging them solely by the words as theyre presented. If someone criticizes an aspect of israeli policy, its fair game. Israelis are the biggest critics of israeli policy. I have problems with the composition of the current government, with elements of it. Thats fine. Everyone can have an opinion on these. But theres something about criticism of israel that goes beyond realm of the rational and goes into such extreme levels that. It starts to sound like something else, something oddly familiar, which is antisemitism and when we hear about it, denial of israels basic right to exist so we can criticize the Iranian Regime for their horrible mistreatment of women, for their oppression of the bahai people, for their atrocious human rights records, for hanging lgbt people, cranes. We can hate the regime no one ever says is iran has no right to exist. Likewise with and china. No one would even think to make these statements. But with israel inevitably its made and also in the type of criticism thats made, invariably we hear these myths coming through in some shape form. I quoted turkish president erdogan who spoke, sucking their blood. When does anyone ever talk about a foreign country in that way . Only in the context of israel we hear about zionists taking control of governments and media which is very reminiscent of the domination conspiracy. So its prevalent both in terms of the form it takes, the language that it uses which which invokes the myths, but also just the shakes strangeness of the claims and the language thats used used. Congratulations on writing and publishing a book. Thank you. No small feat. Im curious how long took you to write the book and do all the research and anything that you found really surprising that came up along the way that maybe is not in the book but that youd like to share. Im always whenever fashionable people ask me how did it take . And i can never answer the question because. The whole process is a blur. There. No kind of clear start and finish, but theres a lot in this book from my own upbringing my own thoughts over many, many years, the period of actually sitting down to research a planet structure to write it probably took about two years, but was a lot the kind of preceded that as well in terms of interesting things that i found along the way. You know, i spoke about henry ford, the role that he played in the spread of the global domination conspiracy, the impact he had on hitler and on the course of history and the holocaust. I knew this. The depth of it, the depth of that connection, the depth of that mans mania and desire to rid the world of wasnt quite known to me, and that was something story to find. And the commonalities between the antisemites antisemitic movements throughout history. It doesnt matter whether youre looking at radical islam in modern times or, you know nazi ism or the cossacks they all had the same belief and views and worldview and they all for this naturally stick bygone age, theres this weird nostalgia. They all believe that the had taken it away, you know, and it was this difficulty in trying to grasp, understand what was happening in the world and, blaming the and also lot of the personal connections that these anti had to in, their Family History and that bloodlines, which maybe were a cause of this as well. So there were so many stories in an instance. Hope i put it all in the book, but it was a pleasure, you know, process. And i got out of a lot of things that, were in my soul and in my heart for a long time. Thank you for being here. It was terrific. And you talk about the need for this book to be read and well those us here have not yet you know necessarily a copy. I suspect that its somewhat of a sophisticated and yet its probably something that we our students and younger folks to have access to do. Do you have any plans for how to possibly reach a younger crowd than those of us sitting here today with with book and the thoughts in it . Yeah, thank you for the question. I was conscious when writing this book that this wasnt for me and this for a kind of elite. Well educated audience. But i said, well, its coming well versed in antisemitism per i want to reach a mass audience. I want to reach a young audience exactly as youve said, and one of the things i did was to keep this book quite short with my previous, which werent overly long, but people said that if you want young people to read them with, the limited attention spans, youve got to keep them as concise as possible. Every chapter deals with a myth and each myth could been a book in itself. But i kept them to the point and showed where they came, how they evolved, and what they look like today in order to reach schools and communities. I all of your support to spread the word to, encourage your Community Groups, your to support this book and get it out there. I think its vitally important. You know, ive always been a Firm Believer in education, as napoleon said, without education, the present and no future. But it needs to be the right kind of education. And i feel that this book by showing exactly antisemitism works and what it looks like today is the education thats badly needed needed. Hi. To dovetail question from a pragmatic standpoint, will there be an audible version . There will stay tuned. But there will be something. Thank you. To build off of those two and and i think a question in the front im about where we are and the fact that we are less than a ten minute drive traffic has died down from four historically black colleges and University Fees and if we throw in fort valley and and paying lets just say maybe a two hour drive to really bring in probably close to maybe 20,000 young people who have some connection one way or another to kanye west. But their professors and their minister and their employer or as their internship providers that that that larger stakeholder community, i think our not i think i hope your team will be very about facilitating dialog otherwise the book may become an essay assignment and pick a chapter 20 is a professor and i know this and is not as read it needs to be discussed it and that wont work without you where you are. But in their neighborhood so pick one of the schools. Wink wink Clark Atlanta university. My home turf. But. Select one and hopefully we can get cspan back and. Have this same kind of opportunity for them. I hope mr. West will. If he doesnt, there will be a spokesperson. Im sure to present some views from that side of the issue. But this we are going to read and we are going to be your ambassadors. But until you are professor in front of those students, it really, really not work. And it has to be done otherwise. The two year process was just your fourth book. Thank you so much. I couldnt agree with you more. I couldnt agree with you more. And im satisfied to merely put this into the and let the chips fall where they may. I believe in proactively bringing this message, the message of this book to where its needed, whoever needs to it. Ill speak to those people. Ill engage with those audiences is challenging, hostile, friendly. It doesnt to me, this is my lifes work and my mission. And if theres anything you or anyone else can do to facilitate this conversation, i would never turn them down. Thank you. I will. I would like. To make a suggestion on top of what professor. Just made. We have weve had that signed the abrahamic with israel. I would highly recommend looking into possibility of translating the book into arabic for readers. Those countries. Yeah, thats a very good suggestion. And theyll suddenly look into that with the publisher. Thank you for making the point. Thank. Time for a few more questions. Time for a few more questions. Anyone has any . When can you back . Well, ive got three little girls waiting for me at. But ill see them and ill be back before. So as you are aware of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition antisemitism, this is something that is widely adopted worldwide and the United States and theres a movement to try to get adopted at the state level. And in some states seeing significant pushback to the adoption of the ihra definition. And i want ask you, im sure youre probably maybe seeing something similar in australia, youre hearing about worldwide what is the movement push back against the ihra of antisemitism all the way from white house down to the states. Its one of the most extraordinary happening in the jewish world at the moment you have this definition which was just to give kind of the history of the era. So you have this International Association of nations called, the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. I think its up to about 35 member nations where they basically subscribe, providing Holocaust Education commemoration. The countries and the organization decided that in order to track down the 70 semitism, they needed a definition antisemitism. And they took a definition and adapted it based on the us state departments definition about and the eu working committees definition had been in use quietly for a long, long time without controversy. The minute it became public that there was this definition of antisemitism, that organizations and jewish Community Groups were seeking to have adopted suddenly the enemies of the jewish arose and to trample on that. And what youre having is people denying the right of the jewish people to even explain what antisemitism silencing the even in that elementary step. Every other people have the right to describe what hatred against them looks like. They study it. They know it. They live it. Theyre the ones that have the claim and the legitimacy to. Make that assessment. But in the case of the jewish, its otherwise. So to me, its an extraordinary example of the double standards to which the jewish people are held. And one of the immediate sparks for this book was what was happening in the British Party with jeremy corbyn, who went to war with the jewish community. Over this definition. And he created a horrible environment for the jewish people that it will last for a long long time. So it just shows how vindictive, how aggressive the enemies of the jewish people are. But we need to remain and and prevail in this and other battles. And im sure we will. Okay. Well, i think that about wraps it up and. I just wanted to say thank you all so much for coming. Thank you, alex, for your wonderful, wonderful. And we hope to see you again soon. Thank you very much. Thank