[inaudible conversations] clicks thank you very much. The subcommittee will reconvene in. In the sixth district for five minutes. Clicks im going to write down the questions. Doing a great job leading to do a lot of stuff. I will save the flowering go to questions. I want to start with broadbent equity excess the program. And michigan almost 500,000 households are underserved are unserved or underserved by highspeed internet infrastructure another seven or 33 households face excess broadband. Approximately 30 of households do not have affordable reliable highspeed Internet Connections that meets their needs. And every family across our state to get access to highspeed internet. As of november 23, alls states and territories have released their action plan and initial proposal. Can you update the committee as to how ntia plans to continue to work with each state and territory in the process . Whats up silly. First of all would only succeed in connecting up every state is a territory. And so from the beginning we have making sure we are supporting states and territories the work they are doing. The biggest thing we have done or continue to do we have people on the ground in the field, federal Program Officers work with each day. Whats up every day thinking how do i make sure michigan is succeeding in this program that theres somebody in every state doing that. And also that the state knows who they can come too. Ask next time you are here im going to ask who is really doing it who is not getting there. On october 2023 read a letter with my colleague or congressman koger to reconsider letter of credit requirement. Find alternatives to those smaller broadband providers to compete for these funds i was pleased to see ntia briefly took action adjusting credit requirements to allow for programmatic waiver. Can you tell us how the letter of credit adjustment leads to more participation among broadband providers . Absolutely think of your leadership on this. Were trying to do two things here. Make sure building a program we are being good stewards accountability people are building can step up and do the work. What we learn as letters like the one you sent makes it clear to us with the requirement we ritually had was too expensive, it was going to keep people off the playing field. But we have done is make an adjustment that makes a possible to have other ways for that requirement. Give us confidence the providera lot of money we need to make sure they could do the work. But it is going to something that is cheaper and we know more people will be able to participate. Thank you for your leadership on this. No, thank you. Im acutely aware of the importance of making additional spectrum bands available for commercial use. I was therefore please present by the recently released a memorandum modernizing spectrum policy and youth the National Spectrum strategy. Its a key component to advancing piety in this country ensuring we do not fall behind japan and south korea. Can you tell us how ntia will set up the goals set out in the presence memorandum and the spectrum strategy to make sure their adequate resources for various Industry Sectors in these cases . It something you know i care deeply about. Absolutely and is so critical you have said it so well its competing well on the global stage. We can only do that by making to permitting the spectra from the private sector the biggest thing we were instructed to do is make sure for the study together the president ial memo from the white house we are going to study over 2700 megahertz of the spectrum thats going to make a huge difference but the big quercus executing the studies. Making sure or putting spectrum into the pipeline we have for the next several years where we are going that helps industry that helps us with our strategy is perfect think it mr. Trent im almost out of time so going to reaffirm the question on the importance of the affordability program. We are delighted to follow up with you about that. There are over 8000 people in michigan who rely on it too. Thank you i yield back mr. Chairman good. Thank you very much for gentle it is time has expired the chair recognize a gentle lady from tennessee for five minutes but. Think it mr. Chairman think it mr. Davidson for being here. Can you share insight into the pass report whether you and secretary were mondo agreed with the dot assertion that cant cap makethe lower at three gigaz band available for commercial use please sir . Ex from what i have seen of the study we agreed the technical conclusions about the difficulty of sharing right now. Theres a big line under right now. With dod said under current circumstances its very hard to share. But we are not ready to give up on this band because it is so valuable and thus the work we have ahead of us. Were there any conditions or limitations under which non federal access could be permitted . The dod did put together a set of ideas about what would make sharing possible. Different conditions. And that is door at number one which is to say how could he follow the recommendations in their and try to create a situation we could do sharing. The number door to for us what butthey did not address is if we spent some money and moved one of the systems that exist right there in that band, could be free of spectrum for nonfederal uses . Those are the two things were westill do study. How much spectrum does the military controller the dod . Updates of question to answer it when thats better answered in a different setting. I would just say they are the largest federal spectrum user. And for good reason its very important were fighting mission paybacks absolutely. When could you do it in a classified setting . To be happy to follow up with the progress give me date i will be there. Its one public done better with dod. As a separate forward very committed to the lower three gigahertz study into the committees hand in the right setting as soon as we can. And we are talking days not weeks or months. Its mentioned there were reports of overbuilding in the broadband Fiber Community taking place and if that is the case, with that require more funding because you still have got those places that havent got broadband buildout . You are absolutely right. We are eager to avoid any kind of duplication of services. We know the only way were going to be able to meet this mission is if we use the money smartly. Congress is very clear in the statute and in our view the bipartisan structure law makes it very clear how were supposed we aresupposed to make the monen underserved communities and states of our flexibility will say lets focus on that part. You stated going to more efficient and how we set spectrum give me the example are some examples please . Part of it is making sure there are things we can do with technology. There are possibilities for sharing. Sometimes you spectrum the navy is that for raters on the coast. The spectrum is pretty available could we be lets allow commercial nonfederal users those are the kind of things we are constantly looking for which is to say could be be more efficient the places, the technology we are using and that is a kind of stuff are looking at pick up the kite you mention two or three trusted Network Providers, who are they . People in the industry understand for example Companies Like ericsson, nokia, are major providers of Network Services and they do it in a way thats far more trustworthy than the chinese providers. Like what steps are taken to improve the coordination of management of federal spectrum . We are doing a huge amount. [laughter] and i think coordination is critical. Sometimes it can sound a little boring but its really, really important to make sure all the federal agencies are working together we have processes in place to make sure we are being efficient as were just discussing. We have working groups to get together regularly. We have working groups with the private sector to ensure overhang from the private sector about what their needs are going to be. The National Spectrum itself as a product of mechanism mou with fcc thats very powerful. The spectrum was strategy together to make sure we keep that coordination. You know how that goes, more agencies the longer it takes. But that i yield back survey. Thank you the gentle lady yields back the chair wants to mention we have several members wading onto the subcommittee today under Committee Rules we will go through all of the members who are currently on the subcommittee. Will recognize them first then go to the way bonds. At the sennacherib recognize a gentle lady from floridas Third District for five minutes. All right, here we go. Good to see you. Could detect again, thank you. [laughter] likes good conversation this week. Thankfully you took the time for all just jump right into it. I know my colleagues have hit quite a bit on the dod study. We talked about that earlier. I will not delve into that prime going to take a different turn here. But a talk but ii ja. So ntia was given a 50000000. 2 of the total funds were set aside to administer the program. Think that comes out to about 17 million of my math is correct. The question is, with that and the additional funds for grant administration, do you have information regarding how many new Staff Members ntia hired to run the program . And how else do you plan to use these funds . And how much of the funds remain today so that this reporter. I do not have my finger tips at some those numbers by give you a sense of it which is weve grown quite a bit for the Study Programs we looked out across the lifecycle of this program it is a Tenure Program the beta beadprogram was given a fair amt of money with a lot of that. I was in the other programs we administer are much neater. 2 to run a Competitive Grant Program public not enough to do that. There is more we could say about that but will generally note we stepped up quite a bit. Well over one or people workingg across our broadband programs. I could give you specific numbers but where the biggest things weve done is built out the state Program Officer cadre i was mentioning. We have a person for every state. In the state knows who they can pick up the phone and call. That is Customer Service approach has been the biggest thing would be is the money to build. And i think its working well for the states. I do have a couple questions in that same line about our state Broadband Office and the Accountability Measures i will submit those for the record if you could get back to us. And very happy to follow up with you and your team directly about it. I appreciate that. There is been a couple ig reports about first nets. In august of 2020 shoot first net did not have reliable cost estimates. The november 20221st net cannot demonstrate or use the toy that maximize the benefit of for Public Safety in march 2023 but failed to provide adequate contract oversight. So without a doubt you and ive had a conversation wife of a first responder, first that is very important for Public Safety. I am an advocate. It looks like they are insignificant need of more oversight from ntia. Can you tell us what steps you are taking . Its a terrific question per limit quickly say how important first net is to us. It is a huge priority. And so many ways as a Publicprivate PartnershipSuccess Story to go in six or seven years from nothing 25,000,001st responders relying on the network it is hugely important to us. That said we need to make sure its run properly. We have seen those reports before my time but we institute reforms were the first nets is operating now in the ways that address those concerns but we also have new leadership including a very dynamic and excellent new executive director who comes out of the federal government and understands how federal government oversight needs to work. I have a lot of confidence in our path forward to make sure we address those concerns. Perhaps in your response if you could kind of when ig reports come out and no steps are taken a recommendation are adopted. Its really important if you get that back too. Is a lot you could say and im happy to discuss with questions or follow directly progress and im short on time. You and i talked about this a little bit earlier this week. Could you talk about the implementation effort that you are undertaking a nextgeneration 911 in that same vein of First Responders in Public Safety . Its incredibly important thing for our countrys way people communicate has changed. We need our nano insiders to keep up it to visit across the country to how big they need is. It could be a path of finding that work. Quickly run out of time and submit those for the record for appreciate and i yield too. A gentle lady time has expired the chair now recognize a johnna from texas and the 14th district for five minutes of questions. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Secretary davidson my home district near houston is home to the Largest Network in the world. Almost four square miles at dow chemical. We have seen how beneficial shared spectrum like cbr s is for the industrial manufacturing sectors. Companies like the Taiwan Semiconductor company and john deere as you know also use the technology. My question for you is what work has an cia done how the 3. 1, 3. 5 gigahertz band could supercharge efficiency and innovation for manufacturers particularly as their workmate relate to similar undertakings in the department of commerce in implementing the chips act . That is a great question. I will say first of all we are excited and see the progress made it. Spectrum showing is going to be a huge part of our future. Making sure using spectrum efficiently by showing up among different users who can make the most beneficial use of it. I am glad to hear the reallife examples of how well it is working. We have also been tracking progress we release a study earlier this year looking at the adoption and seeing a huge uptick in its use which is terrific. The u. S. I think 3. 1 both the lower three gigahertz. The tricky part there is what we are seeing from our colleagues at dod that portion of the spectrumis not readily availably on throws try to say earlier. You cannot share it now and use it. We have real work to do to meet the conditions where we could do more sharing. But we are not ready to give up on i want to do the hard work work as a party or exchange did not discuss it in this setting . Part of it is conversation better had we can talk to the full report. In a more appropriate setting the second piece, the part i can say is we remain committed to the follow on work that is necessary to make the shoring possible. A followup question, nta holds any concerns about the cost of building out lowpower bands are using Similar Technology heres an old word, auction spectrum. We are always keen to make sure been careful about taxpayer money and costs. At the same time their win wins i think this is what youre getting at we can basically make sure that is exactly. To what extent is the economic of the commercial industry sharing the band considered in the report . That part again easy to talko talk about in a different setting or we can discuss the full report. That is a part that was missing in some ways too. He passed report the lower 38 focuses almost entirely on the question of whether assuring was possible today. It did not look at the question of if you had money to spend they from auction proceeds would there be greater opportunity for sharing or other kinds of commercial use . That is the follow on fees we would like to take up. It was not study in that first part but its very valuable. With that mr. Chairman im going to go ahead and yell back. Thank you come the judgment yields back the root is time for the chair recognizes the gentleman from idaho for five minutes. Correct think it mr. Jared had mr. Davidson thank you for being here today. In the infrastructure Jobs Act Congress chose to remain Technology Neutral when creating the beta program. Ntia in the notice of funding prioritize projects utilizing end to end fiber projects wasnt where states determine high cost per location threshold. Many states have acknowledged the funding will not allow them to fully connect the unserved areas in the state using only fiber. That being able to utilize a mix of technology will maximize the funds. So, the language demonstrates Congress Intent but the allocation of the funding, the technology be inclusive allowing states to make decisions based on maximizing to reach the funds. But the administration and ntia made a clear preference for fibers what looks like to me. So now to the question, could you give us some explanation how ntia tends to handle plans that include technologies other than fiber . Such as fixed wireless access and so on. Thank you for the question. It is a very important question. I will just say we have known from the beginning we will only succeed in this mission of connecting everybody if we use all available technologies. And while we do think we are doing every american the best possible Internet Connection they can get at in many cases that is a fiber connection. In many situations that just is not going to be possible. We expect states will have plans that include a variety of Technology Including fixed wireless and lower orbit satellites that offer a lot of potential for connecting places at a very, very hard to reach. The short answer is we will look favorably upon those that have all these technologies question. To confirm states will be permitted to make decisions on the distribution of funds . Based on the individual situation . Exactly but there are a set of rules that we lay out about how they do that. But we always expect in the ande rules are set out in a way the notices set out in a way they can adopt a variety of technology per. Okay thank you but according to an cia in Historical Preservation fact sheet that came out december 2022, ntia has indicated that Environmental Review process should take thre. Beating some projects may be significantly delayed in beginning actual deployment activities. So, given that youd seen in the urge and the project is completed and connect unserved communities, underserved communities, can you please share it, mr. Davidson, what actions of the taking to stream streamline the Environmental Review process . We are proms of that whole host of areas. What areas would ntia take or is taking to streamline the process to mitigate potential employment delays . This is an incredibly important area. Glad youre raising it. We have heard directly from Network Providers that one of their biggest concerns is going to be about the permitting process. Is going to take years longer to deploy the networks. We are trying to do with what is impossible in our power to stream on the processes we recently stood up a team within an cia to make sure particularly the land use agencies to make sure they have the resources and are streamlining their efforts. The whole federal government has set up a Cross Agency Working Group specifically on permitting to try to streamline paired we are doing all of those things. The biggest thing is to stand up this team we are eager to do more. Ive said this a big issue we know is coming more in 2025 26. Ive got 40 seconds left. That does bring up another point i wanted to raise. I have a bill reducing bands act 23 basically it streamlines the process in areas theres already been a disturbance at the land. If i could get any comments regarding progress of being made to help broadband structure across federal land has been previously does disturbing onto the process. Any further comments in my remaining seconds . Would be delighted to follow up with your staff. But we have them. Ill be happy to talk to more about the work we are doing and hear from you. Also occurs to positions. [laughter] we have great people. I do not doubt that but they are still cursed positions. Next thank you i yield back progress is almost time has expired. At this time will go to the members who have waved onto the committee the judgment from ohios six district. For five minutes. Thank you, mr. Chairman. The beta program is quite ambitious. But it stated purpose of connecting every household in america the highspeed internet. But even with more than 40 billion in funding i am concerned that if ntia does not allow a range of Technological Solutions to be used, we might spend tens of thousands of dollars connecting the single home that could be served much more affordably by satellite or some other technology there is a wide disparity in cost for some of these solutions. Which is especially the cases in eastern ohio or the terrain and rural character of many areas would make fiber much more expensive and harder to deploy something with satellite internet. So it mr. Davidson how is ntia going to make sure one 100 of the underserved locations have access to broadband pursuant to the bead program . What is the plan for the most difficult locations in those locations isps do not want to serve despite fighting for it how will they be handled . Terrific question the short answers the way were going to make sure everybody is served is exactly as you say, with a range of technology but we have contemplated from the beginning its would ultimately adopt technologies different states would choose a different mix. On the way its going to work is just as you said or indicated fiber first where we can. States have the flexibility to use other tools including setting a high cost threshold so the most expensive difficult to reach places would use alternate technologies. Include things low orbit satellites can give very good service and do it more cheaply in remote areas for. Are the principal roles of ntia is to be the convene or of federal entities to determine the best use of the spectrum. It is supposed be the principal advisor and act as the manager of federal spectrum. The extra role in this job a slip today dod is playing an outsized role in spectrum policy im 27 years in the military and as an it guy there. I understand how important it is to dod but spectrum policy is your job. What is the secretary doing and what are you doing as the administrator to reinsert as the convene or an arbiter of spectrum policy . In the time i started this role we look to assert Statutory Authority as being a center not just a convene or but a leader in terms of think about the path forward on spectrum resolving major questions among agencies. Make sure good science in place do that work. We have been work on all of that and probably most tangible result. The role in leading this work and leading these studies. Got a path forward now. Congress included Wireless SupplyChain Innovation fund as part of the chips and science it in 2022 with the intent of facilitating the adoption of open and interoperable wireless networks. While congress are prey to 1. 5 billion for the fund only about 20 million have been awarded. Mostly to academic institutions not to the carriers deploying the networks. So what is ntia doing to ensure funds are being dispersed in a manner that actually supports timely wireless deployments . Inc. Its incredibly important and exciting project. Make sure opening up making it more resilient that way. To make sure more people can participate at it. We started the first set of grants that outfit watch the space there is more to come in the coming weeks we will be putting out much larger grant. Ask my time is running im sorry do not mean to cut you off because my last question was when concurs expect to see support from us fun . We were saying in the near future to go to see us open up . Than more the out year. Mr. Chairman yelled back. For five minutes is a member of the subcommittee them will go back to questions from those who are waiting. Thank you very much mr. Chairman. Thank you for being here. Thanks for an excellent hearing. I wanted to followup some questioning on the Broadband Access and Deployment Program. The hit prohibit ntia from an acting rate regulation as part of bead. I would have to say it has been a game changer my home state of california. We are implement in projects for almost 2 billion in broadband deployment. It is going to bring broadband to vex section of the state that do not have access to it. Its overwhelming the good program. One of the points of contention however has meant the California Public commission who has established by rule that requires program deployed under bead comply with a restriction they offer at least one gigabit upstream and downstream. And they cost no more than 30 a month for that seems like a great regulation to me. Do you think states like california the cpuc have the authority to do the kind of rate regulation for projects we are funding under bead . Im out for him with the specific you are giving. It would not be appropriate to comment on a great right now as being under consideration. I will just say we have said from the beginning we will not be a rate regulation. Very cautious about being in the role setting a rate broadband nationally. At the same time we have said states should have the flexibility the going to approach us in different ways. We also think my house a has acondition of getting federl money for a state to put certain requirements on providers is understandable. We tried to spell out the flexibilities we see in the program. When we are looking forward to seeing what states come up with. That sounds like you might be open to the idea of the state doing this. We do not consider it rate regulation. Its not something acquired about broadband providers this is not something all broadband providers do. But something that is a condition of getting this Funding Congress and said very clearly there needs to be a lowcost option for people who get the funding but states are going to do it in different ways. It is very hard to know michael depend a lot on the details of what they are proposing and again a lowcost t option in our mind is something as we have said in our model should apply to low income families. We can serve the basic tiers of service the most important. I just do not know enough about the details you are suggesting for. I would encourage her to look cool but at that. Congress is pretty clearly authorized bead that rate regulation is not on the table. This is not an effort to regulate rates. I think it is fair that because those of the conditions under which the monies been provided to the states that that requirement applies to them as well. We are trying to correct a market failure we are trying to serve people who are underserved. A fleet to further markets further the mixer drop that much harder. So appreciate if you could look into that i dont think that should be allowed. Another thing i want to talk about is something brought up by congressman soto a little bit. The fact it is prioritizing the provision of end to end a fiber. In california it is wonderful but we are not going to get halfway to providing broadband to people completely unserved in california. I think the combination defending other sources of funding about 9 billion in california the unmet need is over 9 billion. Just to provide service to people of no service at all. We need to look at other ways of providing services well with other options like lower orbit, satellitebased, options like Wide Area Networks that might be more efficient. Can you talk a little bit about whether or not it makes sense to include those other kinds of broadband . Absolutely makes sense. We have known from the start different states are going to have different needs but for many sages going to need to be a mix of technology for going to reach everybody. Fiber is the most expandable future proof version of the Technology Like lower satellites are going to be incredibly important to reach the hardest to pay. I completely agree had a tie i had a question upcoming report on open ai risk. Look for to reading about it quickly go back mr. [cheering] works thank you very much the gentleman sam has expired the general recognizes the gentleman from new yorks 20th district for five minutes. Thank you mr. Chair and Ranking Member for oldham this important hearing and for allowing me too wait in. Thank you assistant secretary davidson for your excellent leadership of ntia picked up my time in congress i work hard to champion efforts to bring Broadband Access to unserved and underserved areas prayers thrilled to vote the bipartisan infrastructure law which establishments of the programs the broadband equity access and Deployment Program once in a Generation Investment in affordable internet access. Earlier this year is excited to see the by administration announced 665 million for new york state to the beat program especially proud this funding will be delivered more effectively thanks to the work of the office of Internet Connectivity and growth in office established Remote Access broadbent act of 2020. With todays historic levels of broadbent investments the oic g is more important than ever to get this funding out the door quickly and more important to ensure reaches the community that needed spritzer assistant secretary, in your testimony you discussed how its working closely with states and territories to submit strong proposals for the beta program. How is it ensuring states and territories are engaging robust and ongoing conversations with communities especially underserved communities as part of the planning process . Thank you for the question and think of your longterm leadership. When it is one of the crown jewels of nci nay now. The question is incredibly important because we know Community Engagement and participation is essential we are going to succeed in the goals of this program. There reaching all communities. Committees themselves who know best on how to best meet it. We had that a number of things to make sure the committees are participating. Most important and we told we te expect, we require interstate plans that show so the consoles with local communities. We built out a federal Program Within oic g to make sure every state is cut and cia person on the ground whose thinking about how to make sure committees are part of the process. We built that our office of initiatives to make sure bring in Diverse Voices into these conversations. So cross the border working to make sure that communities are a key part of these conversations. Including also requiring states put out their plans for Public Comment which they are doing right now pay. Great, thank you for the successful implementation of a beat and other programs key for inclusion like the Digital Equity program connecting minority communities programs. Removing any barriers to Program Participation is essential. Can you speak on what approaches have been most successful in ensuring disadvantaged committees in particular can access federal broadband resources and indeed apply successfully . I will come back to pointing to the staffing we build outs. We have known from the beginning its important have Diverse Voices in this body of work. And also set the Committee Level in the local level for the biggest thing we have done i will see two things is one building up a cadre of federal Program Officers who can do this outreach on the ground. The second is engaging with the Stakeholder Community who can help it we built out a state Broadband Leaders Network where we work specifically with state Broadband Offices. Did Digital EquityLeadership Network working with community leaders, mayors, local officials went to Digital Equity work. All that is part and parcel of this i do got to be engaged directly. Not just at the state level but with communities and the non nonprofit organizations. That do this work in the field of. Thank you. The key responsibilities coordinating that with state entities. How is local coordination of broadband improved over the past three years . Coordination is incredibly important for them be good stewards of taxpayer money we need to make sure all the federal agencies working in this and there are number of us well coordinated. Jose coordination how to radically improve from her were several years ago since i started in this role we have regular mo use between a number of agencies we are sharing data between ourselves. We have apps congress instruction are the core things we all use. We have interagency coordination mechanisms starting at the white house that bring the leaders quite regularly may be to regularly to talk together and make sure youre well coordinated. Thank you. Sounds as though were getting out the door. So that is terrific but without mr. Chair. Thank you very much for the gentlemans time has expired the chair now it recognizes a gentle lady from arizonas eighth district for five minutes. Correct thank you mr. Chair, thank you mr. Davidson. I want to raise some concerns and a provision of the beaded notice of funding opportunity related to the labor and employment provisions. As you know the only labor and Employment Requirement in the eye i ja is hat applicant must demonstrate a record of compliance with labor and employment laws and certify they will continue to comply with those laws. As is the only requirement congress included in this issue. My concern is nt ia has included a lengthy list of their own social engineering policies to promote and in my opinion it mandate the use of organized labor. This includes prevailing wages, project labor agreements, union peace agreements and Union Neutrality agreements. To make matters worse it seems the department of congress and ntia are strong arming states into accepting these provisions. Mr. David said are you aware of the arizona volume two proposal includes project labor agreements, union peace agreements and Union Neutrality agreements . I have not actually had a chance to see that part of the volume two provisions so i cannot comment on any specific proposal but i understand the point youre raising. On my next question, are you aware Arizona State law prohibits public contracts amusing any of those types of agreements . Are you aware arizona is a right to work state . And why. Ntia has publicly stated the labor provisions i mentioned are just options for states to include not legally binding mandates. But if the state is going to judge an applicant on their willingness to accept these provisions to the scoring system applicants will be pressured to accept these provisions to ensure competitive applications. In effect they will become a defective requirement. Is ntia encouraging or pressuring states to include these labor provisions as part of the scoring criteria has a way to back tory social Engineering Projects . The short answer is no. I understand the concern you are raising. We have tried to be quite careful in cognitive different states have different state laws and different approaches. The focus we have had his compliance with the federal labor rules i believe leap and we put the scoring criteria together we do require of states it was only to the point meant to the extent they are required to consider federal compliance with federal law. Be on that, different states are going to take different approaches we know that we tried to give states a fair amount of flexibility in the way they implement we are not strongarming or pressuring them in anyways on those issues but compliance with federal labor law is actually a requirement to quickly follow up on the question that if estate includes only what is required by law will ntia approve the states plan or will you reject a plan that does not include any of the organized labor provisions included in your notice of funding opportunity . We always have to look at the totality of the plan for the short answer should be yes but i want to notice there are some ne requirements when states reject certain kinds of a provisions that they provide an explanation of why they have done them. That would be potentially a piece of this but i would have to look at the details to note that is in fact true in this case i do not want to give you a blanket blanket answer but the intent is to be able to get to the place you just said. I think in conclusion i want ntia to focus on broadband to the unserved. Adding in distracts from deploying broadband will likely make broadband deployment more expensive and unnecessarily slow down deployments. You can see the conundrum. Arizona state losses one thing. But if ntias going to pressure the state into doing labor agreements that are not allowed by arizona law stick kind of puts us at a disadvantage brickwork that will certainly say we have always built this program with a strong understanding different states have different laws and we need to respect those approaches the other thing is we are laser focused on trying to give this money out the door as quickly as we can help states build networks for the people who need them as quickly as possible while being good stewards of taxpayer made thats our focus and will continue to be our focus big kirks good i hope you love the states to do what they will do according to their own laws thank you with elio. A gentle ladys time has expired. At this time seeing we have no further members wishing to ask questions i want to thank you again for being with us today pretty greatly appreciate ask unanimous consent to insert into the record documents include on the step hearing document list without objection so ordered. I will remind members they have 10 Business Days to submit questions for the record asked the witnesses to respond to the questions promptly. They should submit their questions by the close of business on tuesday december 19. Again mr. Secretary we really appreciate being with us today without objection the subcommittee is adjourned. [background noises] [background noises] [background noises] [inaudible conversations] till the mock democracy does not just look like this. It looks like this. Americans can see democracy at work citizens are truly informed. Public thrives get informed drid straight from the source. On cspan unfiltered unbiased word for word. From the nations capitol to where ever you are. 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