Transcripts For CSPAN2 QA 20160822

I just hope that you periodically in your career keep circling back to the american news. Because i think many biographers over the years would say the same thing. Who really did feel like we are reaching young people. I feel like when i go on doing a lecture or book signing typically the audience is about 35 or 40 years 40 years old and up. Sometimes 60s, 70s and 80s. Lynn seems to have this magical connection with people of all ages. Believe it or not a friend even told me that she took her threeyearold to see the show and the little girl was bouncing and swaying in her seat. I have seen the show were people in their late 80s who are as starry eyed as that trial. Lynn is worth his weight in gold in terms of stimulating young people to read American History. Cspan how important to the success of the shows his and back in 2009 in the white house the first lady and the president . Guest from a personal standpoint it was very helpful because you have to understand that six or seven years working on this before people saw the show i would say im involved in the show its going to be musical, hiphop hiphop musical about the founding fathers. They would look at me like i was crazy. It was a little like the show at the movie a producers where theyre trying to cobalt with the single worst idea and they come up with springtime for hitler. Im involved in this wonderful musical, skull springtime for hitler, thats how people were reacting to the idea of a musical, hiphop musical about the founding fathers. Before the show opened at the Public Theater i was walking near the theater and i pass these two young women on the street and i heard one say to the other, and its a musical about Alexander Hamilton and they both started laughing and then the woman said, and its in hiphop. And they were just standing there on the sidewalk crying with laughter. The one thing about that clip is that when people start laughing us it wont watch that clip from the white house 2009 and let me know to think. Everyone who saw the clip would then call me up and say oh my gosh that was quite extraordinary. Cspan lets watch 40 seconds of it. Im thrilled white house call me tonight because im actually working on hiphop album is a concept album about the life of someone who embodies hiphop, treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton. You left, but its true. He was born of penniless orphan in st. Croix, and illegitimate birth. Became George Washingtons righthand man, became treasury secretary, caught beef with every other founding father and all on the strength of his writing. I think he think he embodies the words and ability to make a difference. Cspan what is happened to lynn miranda and all of this . What success is meant to him and how long can he keep starting in this arena . Guest i think he is said that hes going to stay in the show through july. He announced that he was going to stay in the show for a year because he would like to be on to his next show. And doing a performances per week is very difficult for him to clear his mind show. I heard him say in an interview that when he took my book down on vacation to mexico was the first break that he had had where he could open his mind to another story. I think the show is made him a superstar. People are running after him with every conceivable offer. I think that something i have learned about lynn is he is the original multitasker. The year that he was sending me the hamilton songs and there would be sporadic rehearsals, it was maintained psychological continuity with the show. I think that lynn probably has wonderful musicals and him and i hope that some of them involve American History. Cspan i know its part of all ask it anyway, from a financial standpoint for yourself, did they have to buy your services . Did they do they have to buy the right . Guest lynn option the book but interesting is the book came on 2004 in the book with auctioned three times in hollywood for future fountain it all often happens when its optioned. It goes into a plateau and then hollywood cannot figure out what to do with this story and i kept saying to my agent that i dont get it, heres this orphan kid who comes on the lawrence has the world on fire and he has a sex scandal, theres violence, theres all this ingredients one could possibly want and hollywood cannot figure out what to do with it. At the end of the Second Chapter lynn new exactly what he wanted to do with it. Cspan in your book, in the back in the acknowledgment you say that there is a study underway to try to find out whether Alexander Hamilton was a black. He said the information is going to come later, what happened . Guest what happened was that i discovered from geneticists that if i had a direct mail hamilton descendent that is a descendents who were guys who had the hamilton name, i had them swapping out their mouths and sending the swabs off to a lab for genetic testing. The results were inconclusive. I was thinking to myself, would it be great for Race Relations in this country we suddenly have a biracial founding father. But it made me realize that race, which which we in america tend to think of a something very distinct becomes very nebulous on the genetic level. It turns out we have the socalled races have much more, with each other than differences and to try to determine what race it was. Its very, very difficult. But when hamilton came to north america it was illegitimate and he said my birth is the subject of the most humiliated criticism he was stunned by references but there is also in the press john adams and a lot of different references for racial make up the simple reason that very often when young people came from the caribbean in those years the caribbean islands and plantations it was not unusual for them to be a product to go to a white master and a female slave. So looking at pictures from him its not apparent that he would be biracial and as i fell in the book his father may not have been james hamilton, may have been a man named thomas stevens. Hamiltons many remarked many remarked in later years hamiltons best friend from boyhood with someone named ned stevens and he became a dr. And then everyone suddenly had the chance to mean ned stevens they were bowled over by the resemblances that they look like brothers which made me think that they probably were. I think this show decided that those probably one complication too many and decided not to deal with that which wouldve been difficult to deal with. You start the show in 1776 with 76 with the opening song he tells us everything that you need to know up until that point in hamiltons life. That wouldve been quite a bunch to drop into that. Cspan hears more video from that event that you are in attendance in 2015. Was the word 50000 . You got it. Guest i think so. Mocha mocha mocha thats the trailer from the show that these to publicize it. Youre saying offcamera that thats your family now. Guest its a very hip cool crowd now. Its its a change my life and image around town. It has been so moving for me that they have invited me into their world. Cspan any chance with you on stage at some point . Guest no. Although im hoping june 12, im hoping that ill be up on the stage if we do win for best musical which i think we have a reasonable chance of doing. But i dont think ill be up on the stage on the theater. I could mention it as a possibility, i cant figure out why they dont want me in the show. Cspan pick tick off the main things that hamilton did, he died at 49. Guest other people its a 47. Well there are three main ask, winning the revolutionary are, he was washingtons aid and chief of staff and battlefield hero. In the second act the Constitutional Convention. Hamilton personally issued the plea to the Constitutional Convention to meet in philadelphia in may of 1787. He seven. He was the sole new york delegate to sign it. He then originated and wrote 51 of the 85 essays that were considered the classic under the constitution. It became the third accretion of the federal government. The first treasury secretary at age 34, he creates a Treasury Department which means he creates this tax system and Accounting System first monetary system, for central bank, first custom service, on and on and on. Hot hamilton was the architect of the federal government. Cspan did you like him after you lived with them for so long . Be two on one hand he was very charming, his very witty, it very charismatic very easy to like that side of him. But he was also brash, headstrong and dangerously sure of himself and often selfdestructive and bad judgment. So i had tremendous admiration for what hamilton had accomplished. Ive been say wonderful things about the story of hamiltons accomplishments were so monumental you could admire him but his flaws were so serious that we can all identify with him. So hes very human and superhuman depending on the moment. The fascinating story that someone as brilliant as hamilton was as flawed and fallible as he is. Its interesting because when were creating the show there is this notion on the Broadway Musical of the central character should be sympathetic, you should be rooting for central character, hamilton with the reynolds pamphlet and other things that happened in the second act, he is constantly testing the sympathy of the audience. Its been very interesting that people walk out of the theater not only with modest admiration but but affection for him and i realize the reason is because he became real to them. This is a big mistake that i think we make in the schools in terms of teaching history. We think that in order to instill love of historical figures and love of American History we should present a series of and students are very bored and the figures seem completely unreal. If you can capture them accurately they will love these characters. Cspan where did you go to high school . Guest i went in queens and then i did to degrees in english literature, one at yale and one in cambridge. So i never studied history in school. Cspan when you look back at what you mustve had some history classes. Guest some history. Cspan do you remember them at all . Guest history should be the most exciting subject and so often its reduced to rote memorization, i dont remember having exciting history classes. I think that i, like a lot of people out there discovered, some some people were lucky enough to have fantastic history teachers, dont mean mean to denigrate all history teachers, but i think my story of like a lot of other people i met there suddenly in the 30s and 40s in one day on their own they pick up a piece of history, biography and they start reading the sale my gosh this is fascinating that i never felt that before. And having that conversation constantly with the show that people are coming in saying how come no teacher, how come theres a passionate and brilliant and argumentative and fascinating these characters were. The last time we visited was for your washington book, a book is because the Alexander Hamilton book. And now what are you doing . Im doing Ulysses S Grant. Cspan but youre right in the middle of this trying to live in a different century, how hard is that . Guest extremely hard because the mornings and afternoons in the week im in the civil war and reconstruction simon the 19th century, then nights and weekends im back in the 18th century. Occasionally when i come up for air im in the early 21st century but only occasionally. I find usually because my books a very, very long packed with information that when i finish a book theres usually a delete button in my mind that just wipes out the book. Its like my mind is tired of having sustained all of this information. So ive not only had to keep the entire Ulysses S Grant book suspended in my mind, but because of the show of hamilton and even washington, sometimes i feel like my brain is bursting with these books my mind is crying for the release. Cspan when will you finish the grant book and when will it be released . Spee2 im hoping to finish the book this year and that it will come out next year. Ive had so many distractions with the show, pleasant distractions with the show. That every time i think that the interest of the show is going to start to subside and actually intensify so i would love if grant comes out next year, not positive it will. Cspan do you think it will . Spee2 i was was look for people who are misunderstood. Guest hamilton had been demonized in jefferson was this pure and virtuous man, he he was a tribute to the Common People and hamilton was this villainess figure and he was a tool of the plutocrats. And i touch on that hamilton was really much more liberal figure than he had been pretrade. Jefferson may be less so. Simply with grant i was try to start out with some of the risk that a pardon around or grant the drunkards turns out to be very complicated story. Grant the presidency whose presidency was riddled with corruption and nepotism, that was there, there, but oddly the whole story reconstruction was a big story of his presidency, so i feel like there is so much that has been forgotten by Ulysses S Grant but im hoping when the book comes out it will be a surprising most people as Hamilton Book or the other book did that theyre just go see so many more dimensions to this figure. You have to pick one, if you are able to walk interview hamilton grant or washington or rockefeller, who would you choose . I would choose george washington. I feel of all the figures i had written about that he was the most important. And the most mysterious to try to be able to stare at him and study him. If i wanted somebody who is just going to battle his intellect, clearly Alexander Hamilton. But i think washington as they said many years ago he was the indispensable man who made Everything Else happened. But i think in writing about hamilton i certainly came to feel that his achievements were up there. Cspan we found video that miranda put on youtube when he is a young boy. I dont know if youve seen it or not, well go ahead and roll it and i want want to know if theres any video of you anywhere that would exhibit this kind of talent . Footloose music playing. This was before hiphop and all that day,. I think they say no such video exists in the turnout family archives, dancing off the walls i was probably out playing stickball or doing something else. Spee4 his enemy showed interest in doing a broadway show in washington . Guest theres hasnt been a lot of interest in doing washington in terms of film so i have to tell you when lynn first told me that hamiltons life was classic hiphop saga and hiphop head at the perfect fit i didnt understand what he was talking about. But i understand now because theres something particularly the way he presented in the show, hamilton is presented as a very intense almost phonetic character. Here here you have this dense rapid heap pop music. Theres something about that personality that perfectly mesh. So it took me time to see what mustve come one great blinding flash. Cspan the last question. Has there been anybody who did not like the show that wrote about it . Guest no review that i can remember that was at all critical was in the new yorker by hilton hills. But otherwise we have had hundreds upon the static reviews of the show. I think its inevitable that somebody will come along. When you have them come along say this is the greatest show. Cspan did you know this was going to happen . Guest no. But back in january 2012 lynn 12 lynn did a performance about ten or 12 songs at the Lincoln Center and the audience was full of people in their 20s and 30s. They werent even staged really. He got up where the sum of the other cast members and sang the songs that i can remember at the end all these young people in their 20s and 30s were on their feet cheering, screaming and stomping. I looked around and said oh my gosh, is, is this a preview of the future . Every time the material was tested out in front of the Audience Response was extraordinary. Then i remember we went to theater festival and the place was crawling. Every producer in the room and theyre saying this is like the greatest thing ive ever seen. So we had them for nation and inclinations that might happen. But we cannot have predicted was that it would be quite a sensation or that it would be not only a theatrical phenomena but a political and cultural phenomenon. Were at the white house a few weeks ago and ive nothing theres ever been a sitting president of the United States to come twice to see this show. The first lady who has come to see the show. Weve. Weve had the obamas, clintons, cheneys, with had every hollywood and broadway star you can imagine there. Its been a nightly whos who. Its just something that none of us could have imagined that it would be quite this kind of conversation. Cspan ron chernow, thank you very much. Guest always a pleasure brian, thank you. For free transcripts or to give us your comments about this program, visit us at q and a. Org. Q a programs are also available at cspan podcast. Heres a look at our primetime schedule. Starting at 8 00 p. M. Eastern on cspan, the American Enterprise Institute Holds a discussion on the 20th anniversary of the 1996 well for law. At 830 eastern on cspan two, it is book to be with a look at to be with a look at what members of congress are reading this summer. 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Cspans washington journal, live beginning at seven eastern on tuesday morning, join the discussion. Why it is so hard for donald trump to retreat on immigration. Part of nbcs first read this morning, joining us on the phone is mark murray, senior Political Editor for nbc news. Thank you. This really has been a centerpiece issue for donald trump says he announced the candidacy back in june last year. He said that he is not retreating, but clearly there are some rethinking within the trump campaign. Whats going on with regard to the issue of immigration a deportation . In the 14 messiah donald trump has been running for president , immigration has been the consistent, on ambiguous policy thing that he has campaigned on were a lot of times on other matters of farm policy, middle east, you sometimes hear one thing or another, but he has been incredibly consistent on immigration. One of the consistencies has been when it comes to deporting a deportation of the 11,000,000 undocumented immigrants in the United States. Dont trump has United States. Donald trump has said that the United States needs a deportation forest and they must leave one way or the other and then they can actually come back and try to apply for some type of legal status. But they all have to leave first and he has been very consistent about that up until his Campaign Said to be determined on whether or not there should be a deportation force. s lets go back to august of last year. This interview with nbc meet the press toes, chuck todd who is political director on board the trump plane with donald trump, august of last year. One good thing. Youll rescind that want to . You have to. We have to make a whole new set of standards. When people come and i have to commend. Youre going to deport children. Know will keep families together. But they have to go. We will work with them. August 16 last year on meet the press, mark murray, those are his words. Yes ones that stand out to me again or they have to go. Again, he has been very consistent over the last several very consistent over the last several months even repeating that at a today show town hall and april 2016. Then where we are to nap months before the election there are at least some voices in the campaign we seem to be suggested maybe there is some wiggle room. They might be able to have wiggle room. But it is important to note that we have not heard from the candidate himself on this. Im a big believer that big policy changes come from the candidate and not from the Campaign Manager are people who have attended the meeting but from the principal himself. It will be interesting what donald trump has to say on this on the days forward. Clearly there are two issues going for, first of all donald trump does need to extend his base. One way to do so is to bring in the hispanic vote. The other side of the coin is that he is the consistent on this issue that i so many the people have liked him and supported him. That could change if his views change and evolve. Thats the argument why its going to be hard for him to retreat on this issue. Hes caught between two horses. His past, consistent stasis on the seventh the base thats been eating up this rhetoric. Any type of change might end up creating a problem for donald trump. You mention his ability to win over latino voters, one other theory if they do decide to retreat, as difficult as it might become is not only to they need to win over latino voters but this is more of an appeal of suburban america, swing voters to be able to say were not that incendiary between latinos, muslims and africanamericans and to be able to put it kindly, gentler face gentler face on his Campaign Rhetoric to make it more appealing to swing voters. Almost coming to an apology for those who were offended by his rhetoric. But it is worth noting that a lot of parts of donald trump have not changed this morning he was a niche we store with a news figures who had gotten under his skin and it remains to be seen whether food is doing this serve this represents something more fundamental about donald trump and his rhetoric Going Forward and i would suggest right now it seems to be more of the former than a change of donald trump mark murray senior Political Editor, thanks for being with us. Afterwards News Agencies reported that donald trump is delaying the speech on immigration he was set to give later this week. He told reporters through email that the speechs modified but the campaign is willing to work on some of the language. Mr. Trump will delay his remarks for todays according to abc news. The great day operate is impersonating a cellphone tower so allows the police to gather Location Information your serial numbers but not just a specific target but all phones in that area. I can think of one particular grissom homicide a couple of years ago that while the case was resolved that basically broke the case. can be very helpful. Said merck good morning. [inaudible conversations] if i have not had the opportunity to meet of the Governmental Affairs bureau. That help consumers stopped robo call and it that is why we are here today were pleased to host the first meeting of the Robocall Strike forced the group that has come together in response to give consumers the pilot forward as the commission liaison. This morning he will hear from several speakers of the importance of protecting consumers from fraudulent robo call first the chairman will speak about the steps the commission has taken in the way the strike force can support the effort and then to provide remarks and at t chairman, chair of the strike force and will conclude todays meeting. Thanks for being here and now i will turn over to german reeler. Thanks to all of you who has volunteered your time to spend the next 60 days on this very important issue it is significant that we have not just have had carriers but also the equipment and Service Providers at this table because it is a challenge that will require every buddies commitment i want to thank my a colleagues for joining us today and in particular mr. Stephenson for stepping up to lead this effort. Because americans are fed up robocall are a scourged. It is the numberone complaint that we hear from consumers on a daily basis. With over 200,000 calls per year. Into the fcc or our web based consumer assistance platform. To complain how consumers are being abused. Americans have the right to be set up with the scourged. It is an invasion of privacy it is ripe with fraud and identity theft. Said the problem is that the bad guys are beating the good guys with technology right now. Voiceover internet protocol or calls from scampers in Foreign Countries rely and networks that our ready to deal with them. The ability to spoof a legitimate phonenumber is the downside to a digital environment. And this just isnt a network problem. This is a community problem. This has to do with those who operate networks those to build and operate the equipment and services and that is why it is why you were all here at this table. The profit motive has driven the bad guys to exploit has driven the bad guys with the level of technological innovation. Into with that equipment it is not as if they are standing idly by. But this requires everybody to pull together. And to having an emergency and urgency to find solutions so thanks to this group with proposing solutions within 60 days, it is significant that the working groups will be meeting at least twice a week to keep to that schedule. But let me be clear, and this is an Industry Group we believe it multis stakeholder solutions. When the whole ecosystem can come together the can produce good results. But without the results we will be forced to look for other solutions. Because this courage must stop. Lets set some goals 60 days hence. Authentication standards. Number one including gateway verification we know the standards bodies have been working on this. And working on this. We need to come to conclusion. And then in the standards bodies lets get to a solution we have a group working on the tools to allow the third parties to develop a faltering options but give folks the opportunity for those solutions and third, there must me cross carrier joint deference to detect and stop the bad guys. Maybe youll come up with Better Solutions but this is something of multi carrier, across carrier with the community solution. But we will set a goal for ourselves. Tell us what regulators need to do to help you achieve the other three things. That prohibits carriers from Call Blocking but if we need more, tell us what we need to do and where we need to do more. As in any pressing challenge that is the enemy of the good. The nature of software is start to and improve to have that philosophy. Dont sit around and wait for the all to a solution. Lets start solving these issues immediately. And lets make it even better the day after tomorrow. Per so thankyou to all of you for your willingness to come together to attack the robocall epidemic to set an aggressive schedule we are grateful for that it will look forward to the results in 60 days. Commissioner . Mr. Chairman is 6 30 p. M. For a change you are sitting down with your wife and children and grandchildren in showing a whole cooked meal. We know you did not prepare that but that is the point. [laughter] all of a sudden you are interrupted by a rate and you get up and answer the phone what you hear . Congratulations your selected to receive the all expenses paid trip to the bahamas. You hang up the floated return to the table but before you can put a spoon into your dessert it rings again and then they promised to reduce your mortgage payments. The you feel powerless to do anything that is very loud and clear they hate to mobile calls robocall the of Consumer Protection act issues accounted for more than 175,000 with the fcc consumer help we know there is a problem. Window hall they are because that all of this would stop. So now it is time to take more action last summer they took the first up to reiterate consumers rights in to implement robo calling technology and reassure consumers that they do have the right to say stop that was followed by a series set last month end to with a free Call Blocking services so i applied at t joining in todays discussion enabling us to focus on real action with robust robo calling solutions. And with the abusive your Call Blocking technologies but i am optimistic today that they will be able to deliver to consumers the change that they are clamoring for. And thanks for being a participant because they are counting on us to end the daily disruptions. It is whether you make it to desert. [laughter] think you mr. Chairman it is great to see you here money paid a picture that accurately reflects my experience and hopefully all of yours as well. Monday night the chiefs are battling the raiders is a close game. You settle in to watch the team but just before the snap and a handoff the phone rings you reluctantly in answer only to hear a recorded message cleaning to be from the iras you owe the government money can you will be arrested unless you pay immediately you hang up and you realize youre even angrier when once you missed the overall bin to the and so on for the victory. Artificial and prerecorded calls or robocall are awful their unwanted intrusive, and many like the recent irs robocall are a ischium. But as a chairman mentioned it is the numberone complaint from the consumers complained by a the sec and former senator from South Carolina and i had the pleasure of meeting with last year said he would call them discourage of civilization that is an understatement if anything. Now the enduring dislike of these robocall inspires some work we are gathered here for inaugural meeting of the strike force it has an appropriately intimidating name and according to the charge trying to develop ways to prevent detect and filter the unwanted calls i want to commend those who have rolled up their sleeves to commit to solve this problem. Number of people and organizations have already put sweat equity into this effort and deserve to be recognized. The ftc, 2013 robocall challenge focused on the attention of robo calls and one of the winners has now stopped over 126 million robocall second the alliance for telecommunication industries, of the protocol from or the Internet Engineering Task force working group had been developing standards to reduce illegitimate caller id spoofing that will help consumers with fraudulent robocalls that is the critical input to enable the robo call so the work of these experts is critical. I want to express my appreciation and to all of you who are here today to form the task force also at t for leading the charge here efforts will help to end this courage of civilization that everybody would applaud. I look forward to learning more the scope of the problem and i hope the participants will ponder a few questions as we filter out the unwanted robo called so should we encourage congress to do the antispoofing act . The legislation to help crack down on foreign callers to use a spoof caller id to take action against those telemarketers with the tens of thousands of complaints that we receive from consumers each month. Capt. We make it easier for consumers to tell us about the robo calls they receive them for the Enforcement Bureau to track down the most fraudulent robo callers . It would be helpful with a Call Blocking services to the customers to have read database to allow them to avoid dialing the wrong numbers by mistake and granting the opposite position to overturn the exemptions for federal contractors there is a loophole in the regulations and for my part i hope everyone here government officials and representatives and advocates and others can rally around the purpose than to borrow for former president kennedy we shall pay any price to meet any hardship to assure the survival and piece of american consumers. It sounds like i may have just one day cruz. Excuse me. [laughter] bringing us a Little Theater as well as well as threatening the nuclear option. [laughter] rand paul this is your party thanks for coming. I appreciate you initiating this to get this going because it is important i didnt intend to create controversy right away but i lived in dallas texas m with his characterization of the chief says Americas Team is unacceptable. [laughter] i do appreciate everybody that is here if you look at the number of people here and being here on short notice is a big deal of those 33 companies on the strike force ecosystem the fact that you are here speaks to the breath and the complexity of the robocall problem and this will require more than individual Company Initiatives and go beyond applications to address this issue robo callers are very formidable adversary and they are notoriously hard to stop and technology such as spoofing makes it easy to work around our fixes and then cover their tracks we have been covering the problem piecemeal i think we can demonstrate that with limited success because the robocalls continue to increase and grow. So the strike force will have to take a very different approach and we truly want to deal with this with the entire ecosystem of working together and that is well represented with carriers device makers, developers, designers and regulators and lawmakers to have a role to play as well. We have to come out of this session with a comprehensive playbook that we all begin to execute a lot of people like to portray this as a simple issue to address and we all understand it is not these unwanted calls band of very wide range we have calls that are perfectly legal but not wanted like telemarketers and Public Opinion surveys but on the other end of the specter of millions of calls that are blatantly illegal violating the do not call registries or trying to steal identities or minis and this is where government will have an Important Role to play in parallel with the Technological Solutions to new regulatory lawenforcement agencies to go after the bad actors shutting down the bad guys is an important step it will be a powerful example to others. The goal isnt complicated. It is simple to stop unwanted robocalls. It is easy to say but hard juju and members of the industry have committed to doing the following to conform to the caller id verification standards as soon as they are made