The public. And they will air in the near future on booktv on cspan2. Host joining us onset is radio talkshow host and author of seven books Dennis Prager. His most recent book is called the 10 commandments still the best moral code. Dennis prager, what is on your mind . Guest very good opening question and i will answer you completely honestly, what is on my mind . It is not totally germane but quite germane to the 10 commandments, what i believe is the undoing of the American Revolution and the decline of my beloved country, the greatest experiment in liberty and decency in Human History. I do believe that a big part of the reason is the radical secularization of our society. Host where did that come from . How did it come about . It came about, its origins emanate from europe. After world war i and even somewhat before but especially after world war i europe decided that everything it believed in was nonsense because of the massacres of world war i, the atrocious loss of life for no apparently good reason. That is a very important point. Everybody understands world war ii was morally necessary. Not everyone believes world war i was. They certainly didnt believe it afterwards, despite the versailles treaty, blaming germany and so on, nevertheless there was a feeling everything we believed in lettuce awry so we will drop religion and drop national identity, we will just become secular citizens of the world. America took its phds from european universities starting in the late 19th century before world war i but nevertheless continuing and i think that is where it develops, where if you are intelligent you go back to darwin and marx, but the operative element was if you are bright you are not religious. At a university in the western world, not just the United States if you believe god created heaven and earth, that god is the source of thou shalt not murder, not just reason, you are considered a dummy and that foolishness, that truly is foolish because the deepest people i have ever met have overwhelmingly had a god centered understanding of the world, that is now taken as a given, that if you believe Something Like that you are intellectually suspect so that is what has happened. Host when you hear somebody say i am spiritual but not religious how do you know to ask me such good questions. I have done hours of radio just on that subject. It is with all respect to people who say it, it is meaningless. It means i contemplate my navel in a sophisticated manner. That is the code word. It doesnt mean anything. What does it mean . If you have no religion what do you have . Spirituality . What does spirituality mean . That you believe flowers are beautiful . You believe animals are loving . What does it mean . It doesnt mean anything. To the individual making it means something but without religion, without a code religion gives you a code. Religion gives you a set of beliefs. I dont care if you reject them but at least you have to grapple with them. Is real, the Founding Group of the Old Testament means struggle with god. I take that seriously as a believer. I do struggle with god. When i see all the suffering in this world, the unjust suffering, just thinking for a moment, forgetting the obvious of your neighbor had pancreatic cancer at 32, a whole country called north korea which is a human concentration camp, the way people live there, the 100 million of world war ii, these things bother me. I understand struggling with god as a believer but i want the atheist to understand you have to struggle with god too. It is not enough. I was invited to the great credit, the American Atheist, the biggest American Atheist group, they invited me to their annual convention which was to their credit and to debate their head on gods existence. At one point i looked at the audience who were completely by the way decent to me and i cant complain at all. They were just fine. I said to them would you raise your hand if you have ever seen a child born or listened to mozarts symphony or seen a van gogh painting or seen a sunset and said it is hard to believe that just happened on its own, maybe there is a god. Not one hand went up. That i looked at them and said if i were to ask any religious audience have you ever seen a deformed baby and doubted god, raise your hand, everyone would have raised their hands. We believers struggle more than you atheist do and you think you are the questioning one. We are the questioning ones. The earp clan where did this book the 10 commandments come from . Guest exactly what the subtitle says. It is still the best moral code . This changed Human History and in the briefest book i wrote following the longest book i ever wrote which i have the honor of being on your show then, this is a transcription of the 11 lectures, the 10 commandments plus one introductory lecture on trageruniversity. Com, we got 11, 12 million views and it continues to be widely viewed or all over the world and i have taught this my whole life from the hebrew, this is the distillation of every idea i had in teaching this for 40 years. It is a very important book to me. It is simple. If everybody lived by the 10 commandments you would not need one army, one missile, one policeman, you would not have to put locks on your doors. This is all humans need to. It is amazing. Host we will put the phone numbers up because this is your chance to talk with radio talkshow host and other Dennis Prager. 202 is the area code, 7488200. East and central time zone 7488201 for those in the mountain and pacific time zones. We are at the Los Angeles Times festival of books on the campus of the university of southern california. Our guest, Dennis Prager. Where did Dennis PragerUniversity Get its start . Are you a jewish scholar . Guest it is pompous to say i am a scholar but i did teach jewish history and religion at Brooklyn College at the beginning of my career. I have written two books on judaism, and 200 articles. I got an award from the jewishamerican press association for my columns on jewish matters, and the first 5 books of the bible in the hebrew better than english and i taught it much of my life. I certainly use the work of scholars, and this is very important. I believe the whole book, this five books, it is the greatest book ever written. Certainly the 10 commandments is for humanity. Of course it was given to the jews as it were, but it is for humanity. If everybody lived by it as i said that is all you would need. The rest is commentary. We started because we are very worried about what is happening where there is more indoctrination than education. I love the mind, i love books, you are my favorite show. My wife is here, i told you this before. I am not sure you believe me. It is the only tv i watch, booktv. I am crazy about booktv. My wife introduced me to it. I love books. In high school i started reading and collecting books. I had 7000 books, i am crazy about books. I love the life of the mind but the university is shattering it because it is not the life of the mind, it is the life of dogma, of ideology. So we have gotten some of the greatest thinkers on earth to give 5minute courses on the most important subjects in the world, from economics to sociology to history, and last year we had 70 million views. It is an unbelievable number. In the englishspeaking world there is very little that has more views or video content. The 10 commandments is one of them. That alone had 12 million views. This is the product, this book. We hope we got a letter, i will tell you one more thing, we got a letter from a graduate that i just graduated at stanford a couple years ago, i want you to know i learned more at stanford university. We got this from bill bennetts son. He went to princeton, he said i learned more there than at princeton. That is our intent. You get something you dont get at university, wisdom. Host we are in the middle of a president ial campaign, how to the 10 commandments fit into a president ial campaign . Guest it is how you believe the United States was structured. I believe, i went over this with you in my last book, the best hope about america. I believe there is an american trinity just as there is a Christian Trinity. The american trinity is found, i didnt make it up. It is on every coin. In god we trust, liberty. America stands on those three. If you remove one of the other two cannot stand. Liberty is dependent upon the other two, the other two are dependent upon liberty, god is essential, every founder, every founder said that. Without god this country will not endure. They all said it, this notion that they were all deists, i hate to say this, like a dirty word to me because i so rarely use it but it is a lie. They werent deists. Deists means someone who believes god created the world and became disinterested in it. Benjamin franklin who admittedly was not an orthodox christian. He did not believe in the Christian Trinity but he did believe in the god of the bible and he believed in a judging god. That is what the secular world hates. I am convinced at its core people dont want to be judged and the hebrew bible and the 10 commandments introduced the idea that you and i and everybody here and everyone alive is going to be judged on their moral behavior. That is big. People dont like that. That is why the word judgmental is a dirty word. Host people want to hear your radio show . I am on every city, the vast majority, big cities. You could hear it on the internet, there is an apps you can hear me on. I get calls from brazil, i got a call from his pakistan once. Look up on google the peter slen the Dennis Prager show. And on syndicated radio. Host what is the main topic you talked about the last two or three weeks . Guest it is inevitable there is a lot about what is happening with regard to the republican side, my show, everybodys show is unique, more unique than others, i dont only talk about politics. I broadcast 15 hours a week, 3 hours a day, 9 to 12, question time, and our of those 15 a week is male female relations, and the most honest talk about men and women in the media today. An hour on happiness. And it is a moral obligation, and emotional state. And when people understand that, it is lifechanging. One is on male or female and one is the ultimate issues. And the great issues of life. Three of my hours are not on politics. Obviously given to donald trump, there has been a lot to talk about that. Host you wrote on townhall, you could support donald trump. Guest that was a preface to a big attack on me. I think he is awful but i would vote for him if he were the nominee because i believe, unfortunately, i never judge intentions, but i believe what the left has done to the country in undoing e pluribus unum, in god we trust and liberty has to be stopped. And i am doing everything i can to have anyone else be nominated, but if he is nominated, we have no choice. Host who is your favorite . Guest i said at the beginning and i stand by this that i thought marco rubio would have been the most effective of the republican candidates. I am sorry to see what happens. At the same time if ted cruz could be appointed, because nobody has obstacles to winning, he can win incidentally. More belief of that as time goes on, ted cruz, i have a lot of admiration, he means what he says. He will be portrayed as a right wing kook whereas Bernie Sanders is not a left wing kook. For a man to believe in socialism when the only thing that has ever lifted humanity out of poverty has been capitalism, that is not considered kooky, there is nothing ted cruz says that comes close to the kookiness of Bernie Sanders. It is lunacy. The only thing that has lifted humans from poverty has been capitalism and the man is for socialism. As orwell said it is too stupid only an intellectual could believe it. Host you and Bernie Sanders, both jewish, both new yorkers. That is about it. Even on the both jewish, he is jewish ethnically, i am jewish religiously and being jewish doesnt mean anything to him and i dont hold that against him. You are not obligated in my opinion to affirm what you were born into, not at all, it is america, a free country, but i do affirm judaism very deeply whereas for him it is a nonissue and that is fine. That doesnt affect me one way or the other. I would say his views disturbed me tremendously but not the fact, a famous leftwing jewish historian called even nonjewish jews, that is not an insult. There is a book called the nonjewish jew, he is describing himself. It is not an insult but that is what he is. I am a jewish jew, he is a nonjewish jew, we dont have host gaye caller and i could make a huge list. Host gaye, before we let you go, before we let you go, here are the Ten Commandments very quickly, and which of these do you think you live by . I am the lord, your god, you will have no other gods before me, do not take the lords name in vain, remember the sabbath, remember the sabbath. Honor your mother and father, no adultery, do not bear false witness. And do not covet. I amm not familiar with them. I went to sunday school as a child. Wise a childish and simplistic to think if the world lived by these it would be a good place . It is reasonable to live by these themes written in the bronze age. We know so much now. Host it is irrelevant whether itwh was written, beethoven we still listen. It is totally irrelevant. The content. Will let Dennis Prager answer. Guest either they are valid or not valid. The fact barrel does not make them invalid any more than if something is new it is invalid. I want to know what is problematic, he do not covet, do not lie, why is that bad because it is old. Host the first point was a religious minority is making her live under these. The secular majorities making her live under do not murder or bear false witness, do not steal, those have been accepted. I dont want the government to enforce all of these. I dont want you to be arrested if you commit adultery but i want people to live by it and i think they would like to live by too. What is irrelevant . You named nathem. What would you like . Host gate is gone and we will go to michael in illinois. You are on booktv with arthur Dennis Prager. Of the 15 how are you doing . I am a firsttime collar, longtime listener. I would like to run three things past Dennis Prager and take my hands off the phone. When you read something you are taking away history, the bible was written but there was a lot of religion before that. What do you think about america having food shows where they eat the biggest hamburger and what is the cross between consumerism and free thought . Did you take down those notes . Host what is the difference between consumerism and i missed guest we missed that one. Religions before, guest they are onlyic applicable to the tribe. No religion for example prior to the hebrew bible said you should love the fallen. It is one of the most ubiquitous statements in the first five books of the bible, love the stranger because you were strangers in the land of egypt. The idea that you love the foreigner and all people were created in gods image are brandnew ideas. Of course there was religion prior. This is the first book in history to ban child sacrifice, to ban human sacrifice. People dont understand the spectacular revolution wrought by this book. They dont. There is a tremendous ignorance, willful ignorance. That is a good example, human sacrifice. It was accepted universally. Along comes this book that says it is an abomination in gods eyes to sacrifice human beings. Host he went on to talk about consumerism and food shows. He is talking about society in general. Host i dont have a problem with consumerism. The American Consumer support the world economy. Of american started living only on what they need and nottth wh they would like, the unemployed around the world would starve to death. Thank god for the American Consumer. He makes the world go round. I willot add another thing. Obviously i am not a big fan of ostentatious umconsumption. I am not. I am against it. Nevertheless, i think people should know i studied good and evil my whole life. Lenin who was the father of evil of the 20th century, he created the terror state that then later was adopted by hitler and stalin, obviously following hitler. Ni lenin was an aesthetic. Lenin was the last he was not a consumerist. He didnt buy much. He denied himself pleasure. I am scaredre of people general, not all, a Catholic Priest takes a vow of poverty, i respect that tremendously but when people say i dont want anything, i am a little worried. I want my children to want to make a home and take care of a family and have a picnic fence and two dogs. What is marked by the left i dont mock. I think it is a beautiful aspiration to wanto to make a beautiful home for yourself, your spouse and your children. Host next call from Dennis Prager, jim in connecticut, go ahead. Caller thanks for having me on. I appreciate the opportunity. This is a topic that fascinates me. After listening to Dennis Prager i have a bunch of other questions but i will stick with the when i originally called about and that is reframing the question you asked, can you be spiritual but not religious. My question is can you believe in god but not be religious . Because frankly the gods that i see, especially the abraham x religions, our cartoons. They are anthropomorphic. Some an inevitable god is a pointless god but god is ineffable by definition. Infinite, he is not mortal, he or she or it is not limited but we have turned god into this cartoon. We can see how that has unfortunately that is why people who think, who Dennis Prager doesnt appreciate, liberals, reject that cartoon is god, that anthropomorphic gogod, that god that justifies very unchristian politics of consume consume consume because it is good. I could go on and on. I will stop, because Dennis Prager has some interesting ideas but for anyonet to call themselves christian and not see that love is at the core of christianity and jesus christ himself rejected the capitalism and the type of consumption Dennis Prager seems to elevate above all other good, is kind of blind. I will stop. Host that was jim. Guest for the record i am a jew, not a christian. Nevertheless i thought it might be relevant. Nevertheless i dont believe george washington, john adams, James Madison and almost every great thinker in history believed in a cartoon. That dismissal ismo very common today. People have a dismissive attitude to those of us who actually believe in the god of the bible and you are free to have that belief. It is not cartoonish. It is indispensable that there is a god who demand that we be good people who we will have to answer. The best idea ever developed for the creation of decent people. I would like everyone walking here to feel their behavior toward other humant beings is just by god. I dont know why that is objectionable. I dont. I cant think of a better idea. To think that i want through life having to be a good person and that god expects me to be good, why does that make people like the last caller angry so much so that he calls what we believe in a cartoon . Its a puzzle to me, frankly. I deal with them on the radio show, i deal with it in email. I can only say that this is what it has presented a cartoonish caricature of what we believe in. And then say we believe in the cartoon that they have caricatured. Host next call is jacob in fayetteville, georgia. Jacob, youre on booktv. Hello. Caller thank you so very much. I have one quick concern or question. In the books we talked about, there is so much murder of the folks who are not jewish. I cant understand why is there, i mean, there is more killing in those books than any of the books that are written about a god tight. Would you please, you know, just sure why that is . Entire villages host are you referring to the five books of the torah we spoke of earlier . Caller right. Host thank you, sir. Tragically very fair question and i dont want to interrupt the caller. Guest if there were a law in those five books that said jews, you must kill those who dont believe like you, i would cease to be a believer. It there were just one such verse in the entire hebrew bible i would cease to be a believer for i would not have written in this book. I would opt out of my religion. There isnt a hint of the notion that a should kill a nonjew. That jews conquering canaan, conquered it in a warlike manner, yes, that is a every place on earth was ever conquered. That is what happened but there was no suggestion that you kill people who dont believe as you do. There is no such a suggestion to contact the bible goes out of its way to say you cannot go into canaan until they have become so evil that they deserve to be taken over. When the amount and the evil was child sacrifice. Thats how bad they were. Host whats the secret to being a successful radio talk show host . Isnt a wide variety of interest . Guest ive given up a lot of thought. Ive been on for three for your site just, i earned the right to answer your question. This is not necessarily reflect on me but it reflects on really all of my colleagues coming to the people i dont agree with. The first thing, interestingly enough, the first thing is you must constantly be interesting. To be totally honest in giving you an answer. You can be brilliant, you can be anything wonderful, but if your not interesting, people will tune you out. They have thousands of other options in different radio stations, and listen to books, listening to music, talking to a friend on the phone. Its endless. So the first rule when young people say to me id like to be a talk show host, how would i know i can do it . I say very easy. Go into a room, sit alone for three hours and the interesting. If you can do that, talking to the wall for three hours, you have a chance. Host center is calling in from olympia, washington. Please go ahead with your question or comment for dennis rader. Caller you and i, we have to be twins. I spend every weekend on booktv. Im a book called. Guest thats right. We have good company with each other. Caller i agree. Im astonished. I am. Im not able to reach you on the radio here, although i listen to rush on occasion but i urge in the past. Ive been, oh, golly, ive been interested since i was three years old, okay . Growing guest you have been what . Caller i have been missing person since i was three years old and growing at it. It was the nature of her family. I grew up learning. I got a good education. My education was in high school. I went to college and i was pretty disappointed and it was a pretty fair college, but theyre just beginning to turn at that point. My religious history, my philosophical, political history goes way back. I am still nominally a republican, but im looking around. Am also looking at the libertarians. I think theyre coming along. But as far as yes. Guest let me write it for me to the point, let me react to the point you made about college. Because this was a very important part of my own realizations here, religious and otherwise. When i was in graduate school at columbia, i realized i had so many bright i realized i had so many bright professors but i was taught i hate to say this a loss of knopp independence. I was at the School International affairs and i was taught the United States as was responsible for the cold war as stalin and khrushchev and brezhnev. Thought, you have to be kidding . And then i was taught that men and women are basically the same. That boys are just as happy to play with dolls and girls are just as happy to play with trucks if youd only give them a specific those specific items to play with. I thought this is ridiculous. Im been taught nonsense and its gotten worse since i was there and then one day, i was Walking Around my campus at columbia, and i was puzzled, why am i learning so much nonsense by so many intelligent people . Then a verse i learned in youish school as a child came to my came out of nowhere into me and that is wisdom begins with fear of god. Realized, oh, my god, theres no wisdom at columbia because theres no god at columbia, and i have theres brightness. Theres intelligence. Theres quacks at columbia. Theres knowledge. But there was no wisdom and there is it no wisdom. There are exceptions, obviouslys some wise prefers but also the universities left their original god basis, which is what all of them have, they have become less and less wise and more and more, as was written about our universities, idiotic. And i say with sadness. Did realize its very hard if you believe everything is relative this, no multimat truth or beauty or morality, everything is the individual, then look at the arts. Look at what happened to the arts when god died . We present from michelangelo and from mozart and now look at what they have here in southern california, there is a gigantic sculpture in the front of the museum of art in orange county, and the sculpture is of a dog lifting his leg and peeing. Its symbolic in the extreme of what is happening to the arts. E to the ugly. The scatological, related to one of the biggest awards in germany was given to an artist who sculpted a policewoman crouching and urinating. Even the puddle is scummed and that got one of the biggest awards in germany. This is what happens when god dies. So does humanity. Host we are at the Los Angeles Times book festival on the campus of university of southern california, talking with Dennis Prager. There are drums and dogs barking and people shouting and walking by. I hope you hear a little bit of that but hopefully youre hearing our conversation more importantly. Paul is in spokane, washington. Good ahead, paul. Caller hi, dennis. I appreciate you coming on. Its a pleasure to talk with you. I was just i heard about you through several other sources. I identify as a kind of a ben shapiro conservative, you might say, but i am an evangelical reformed christian, westminster confession. I believe that the Ten Commandments apply though in a different way. Wasnt aware you were jewish, though, until just now. My original question was, do you sympathize or do to you tend to lean towards or side with evangelical dominionists . I dont agree with dominionism but i wanted your take on it. Host paul, before we hear from mr. Prager, what is a ben shapiro conservative. Caller i listen to him and i agree with his statements, the new young conservative movement. Very brave and very forthright. Host thank you, sir, very much. And ben shapiro was on the Program Last Year from l. A. , but go ahead. Guest i know him well. He does a lot of good work. The dough dominionist i work for evangelicals and im familiar with evangelical the ago. The dominionists would like to see america become theocratic or just a charge that antievangelicals make . Hoe he is gone, the caller is gone. Guest we dont see theologically complete my eyetoeye, but i use the term judeochristian values, not judeochristian theology. Judaism and clintity but there are judeochristian values. This country was found on them. The christians who founded america were deeply judeobased. Mar pretty thatcher was deeply such. She said, western culture is judeochristian. Host den nice prager, couple of of state laws have or have not gone into effect in north carolina, mississippi, georgia vetoed it. About bathrooms, about gender equality, about what is it about . Guest well, its first and for most about religious liberty. So, for example, if i am a photographer and you are going to have a samesex wedding or gay wedding as its often called and you want me to be in the photographer and take part in the wedding and i say, look, i would happily have you sit down and take your photo for your wedding. Would happily take your photo for anything you wanted. But to participate in an event that violates some of my core values, one of which is that marriage has been set definitionaly by laud to mean the union of one man and one woman. I ask you to you understand i cant participate in that event. Theres been a lot of unfair reporting. The people that i have followed, the case is have followed, i think louisiana and then washington and oregon and elsewhere, it was always opposition to an event, not a person. The baker in one case always baked cakes for a gay customers. That was never an issue. And by the way, would be opposed. You cant not bake a cake because you dont like someones sexual orientation. That to me is a given. But asking me to bake a cake for an event, i dont think forget religion. I think we should have the liberty to say, look, i will bake a cake for you but im morally opposed to your event. I can see a prochoice baker saying i cant bake a cake or i cant be involved in your prolife rally. Please dont ask me to do that. Its an event i fundamentally it is a tension between liberty and religious liberty, and certain act of decency and equally. It is a tension. But to dismiss everybody as a hater who thinks that i need to preserve my right to live by by religious scruples, thats a very Dangerous Movement in american life. Host next call comes from Fountain Hills arizona. Go ahead. Caller Dennis Prager, im the biggest talk radio had across all the am dial and you were so be the best. May i borrow a phrase endeavor to make you think a second time, even better to make you laugh. Being my favorite contemporary because my faith is wrong with catholicism and my philosophy is libertarianism, for i believe in free will and free markets, faith and reason are two sides of the same coin. In god i trust. So mad quickly say i dont worship mans law, but gods law. So speaking of gods commandments and keeping them safely, a quick a twopart question. How is labeling [inaudible] not born amongst us in illegal for migrating to our free country without anybodys permission . And how is it not violating god second greatest commandment, to my fellow republicans to pick and choose who should stay or who should go in our beloved United States, based on aim materialistic worldview judging a migrants worthwhile being in the United States either skills they might present from the here and now . Guest so what is the alternative event for any number, whether its 20 or 30 million who come in illegally, we should all all of them to remain . I just want to understand your position. There is no border then that should be sacrosanct for any country . Host im afraid he is gone. Sorry. Guest let me just say on this and i think it is important, i have said for years and written, summon can certainly search it on the internet, someone came i have emphasized over and over that if i were a latin american, especially central america, and i could not get into the United States legally, i would go into the United States illegally. I, Dennis Prager, if i were mexican and i knew i am in one of the most corrupt societies on earth, and the Greater Society on earth is 100 miles north of me, im going to bring my children to where there is hope, the United States of america, and take them out of the hopeless corruption that pervades mexico. So i would do that. I dont have one moral issue with peopl p i dont have one moral issue with the people who come in illegally. 0 attachment i dont understand why people on the other side understand that america has a moral obligation to protect borders, we cant allow all people who live in corrupt countries to come here. We have to have controlled immigration. Otherwise the country doesnt we have rather unique values so we have to be careful about taking in unlimited numbers of people who often represent different values. I adore latin america. I put my rhetoric where my values are. I make the points to those who knock the immigrants, in california we have an enormous number of latin americans. Often men will gather at corners, be picked up to take as day laborers at homes. How come we have never heard of one woman raped . By any of these men that she takes to her house . Not only that, white women will more readily pick up stranger, latin american young men, put them in her suv and take them to her house, than white men. Thats much we trust at latinos. So they come to america with a latin american view of the state. Should be as big as possible. Thats not the american view. Its the view of the left but not the view that america was founded on, which is limited government. Host next call for mr. Prager is terry in connecticut. Go ahead. Were listening. Caller good afternoon, people. Mr. Prager, i dont get you in connecticut but if i did i would be listening because i agree with everything you have said. Rush limbaugh, i listen to because i get him, and mark levin, i love him. He is a constitutional genius. I love ted cruz for the same reasons. And i wanted to say as far as god goes, okay, man is an arrogant creature. He cannot accept the idea of only nip pent god. And as far as capitalism goal, if you ever heard ayn rand, she says if there nor rich or prosperous, the poor would never be able to benefit. Okay . And cheese said, i have come to give you life abundantly, and that doesnt mean spiritually. He wants everyone to pros sir so all your points i say good, for you, mr. Prager, and if could get you id listen to you. Thank you for taking my call. Guest thank you. Well, i generally respond to those who differ more at greater length than those who agree. So thank you very much. You can get me, you can watch prager university. Com. Host if terry were to find you on the enter note, how should she do that . Guest theres both android and mac apps. Den nit prager show. Download the app and listen to the show sometime you want. You can go to pragertopia. Com and then get commercialfree download any of my shows and then share them with others. You can just listen to me live. Dennis prager. Com. Listen to the show. Most of the cases i am on your local station but not obviously in every case. So, its extremely simple. Prager university. Com is not just myself last week we had george will as the presenter, the fiveminute videos woe give. It is meant to change minds and we got 70 million views last year. Were making an impact because im worried im truly worried about america. It was founded on certain principles which are being denied. Liberty and small government and a godbased populace, that is what the founders wanted. If people feel responsible morally to a god, they will generally act petitioner. Do you know that secular professors did a fascinating study and found where people believe in hell there is more ethical behavior than where people do not believe in hell, which makes perfect sense. If you believe that youll be caught speeding, you dont speed. If you dont think youll ever be punished for speeding , you will speed. Why deny basic, simple facts of life . Because we want to deny them. As one of the earlier callers say i dont want to be judged. You dont either, mr. Prager. But i do want to be judged. Pray to god that ill be judged, because if im judged, then everybody is judged and there is moral meaning to the university. I want Mother Teresa to be in heaven. I want adolf hitler to be in hell. If you dont want it, theres something wrong with you. You dont want the worst of the worst punished . You dont want the best of the best reward . Youve got to go to college to think that foolishly. Host you listen to rush limbaugh, mark love in . Guest i listen to everybody. The only problem with rush, we are on at the same time. Its a little difficult but im friendly with him and i and all of these people of course and i do listen, yes. I listen in the same way that i guess i shaft would eat that fills up other chefs. Because we know what goes into it. It fascinates me to see how do o these other guys do with the same issues that i do . Host nashville, tennessee, 30 seconds. Caller yes, mr. Prager, thank you very much for being a voice for conservatism and goods and. I appreciate that. Im curious, ive been intrigued the last two years with the catholic doctrine of natural law and im curious if you what kind of speak to the jewish approach to natural law . Guest its a tough question because im ambivalent on the natural law issue. I dont think that you can get, to the extent that it means law coming from nature, from the natural state of the world, i dont think nature provides any moral guidance. I think, ultimately it is natures god as our founders put it. There needs to be a revelation of good and evil that comes from beyond nature. If you follow nature, the only law that major religious is survival of the fittest. And thats what hitler and stalin believed in. Host Dennis Prager has been our guest for the past hour. His most recent in. A doctorate in journalism working as an advertising