Nato flooded libya with weapons. Uae, qatar, they flooded libya with weapons after gadhafi is gone, all his arm sachets, they were liberated. They went turkey into syria. Im not sure what the connection is between how, who, were watching, facilitating from the traffic but ill play one thing. We were more encouraging of it thathen we were stopping it, because why . Assad needed to go. And assad is an evil man, but we called the book the destruction of libya. At one point in time we talked about just keeping the lid on the garbage can. One of the things that mubarak, gadhafi i stole that from steve at fox news. I need to give him credit for that because i was, we were just talking before the show one morning, talking to him about libya and talking about what gadhafi did, he was still an evil man buddy list of keeping the radical jobs done. He said kind of like keeping a e lid on the garbage can. Mubarak, gadhafi and assad, they were imperfect but they kept the lid on the garbage can and they were concerned and they were fighting radical jihadists. And as we weakened all three of those we created an environment for radical jihadism to grow, bracing the Muslim Brotherhood. Its not just over there. We are completing a report and were going to be putting a book out on this as well in the near future. We not only have embraced the Muslim Brotherhood, the people that want to destroy and undercut western democracy all around the world, but weve embraced them and we have allowed representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood to come into the United States. Their front organization, we have allowed access into our federal Government Agencies and into the white house which is absolutely unconscionable. These people want to destroy the United States and they have access now to the highest levels of our government to inform, quoteunquote to conform our Foreign Policy. This is where we are today. The end result is, we are going intin the next week or so have another report out from itt ipt. Look at the evidence. From 20012006 radical jihadists attacks on a global basis, they were dispersed, killed about 3000 individuals per year. From 2011, or 20072011 that number increased to somewhere in the high three thousands, okay . 20122013 we went to 35, 3700 per year on average, two over 9000. Its starting to concentrate. 20142015 weve gone from 9000 to 20,000 per year victims of the radical jihadists attacks. Those attacks are now concentrated in two areas primarily. Primarily in the middle east and in africa. They are concentrated because, as bob will remember when we were in congress, this is the whole strategy about going into afghanistan. Nobody knows where afghanistan is, right bucks but the strategy was we cant provide them safe haven where they can plan, prepare, train to attack us. So going to go to the end of the world, go into afghanistan. The joke about afghanistan, afghans those from all the countries around it decided what territory they didnt want added to the boundaries and what was left was afghanistan. But we are willing to go to afghanistan to make sure it was not a safe place for these people to plan and prepare and train to attack america. We would go to afghanistan. Well guess what. They now have a relatively, sure, we are bombing, okay . The problem is our planes flipped over into the times they come back over with the bombs on but weve given them a big scare because we afloat over them. They have now got a safe haven, somewhat of a safe haven where they organize with the caliphate in syria and iraq and theyve got a safe haven until more recently in libya it where they can export. So in the middle east, whats going to happen . What are our predictions that the investigative project on terrorism for 2016, 17 and 18 . The number of fatalities that attacks is going to go up because we dont have effective strategies. The second thing that we predict is that in the middle east, you know, with whats going on with syria, iraq, yemen, watch out whats going to happen in turkey. Watch out whats going to happen with the jordan. Watch out whats going to happen with the saudi. Watch out whats going to happen in egypt, and watch out whats going to happen in israel, okay . Is just a rat rats nest right w and we dont an effective strategies to confront it and contain it. So its going to grow and get more dangerous in the middle east. The second thing is, take a look at africa. Nine other countries now, back in 2001 it was 10 countries dispersed widely. Now its 18 countries that theres a relatively high level of terrorist activity. The middle east, concentrated in the middle east and africa, Nine Countries in africa. That number is going to grow because again they have a base where they can train, prepare and attack other places into africa. So youre going to see africa get to be a bigger hotspot, but what do you have to get the middle east and if youve got libya in Northern Africa . You have entree into europe through turkey. Last year diane and i were in budapest. We got on a train saturday morning, typical russian efficiency, utah in one want to go into another line to get into a line to buy your ticket, okay . Big train station. There were 10 of us there and we took the train from budapest to prague. We got to prague. The next morning we turn on tv. The station that we were in the day before was now surrounded by five to 10,000 refugees and migrants. Germany has let him over a million. So youve got this gateway now of people refugees, fires and all these folks going into europe. Youve got the gateway from libya. Why . Because its not that far across the mediterranean, and you can get to the soft underbelly of europe. Europe is at risk. I think that the Security Services in europe are going to be absolutely stressed with the new folks coming in, with the folks they already have here. You are going to see an increase of terrorism and violence in europe in the next 1824 months. Theres no way that they can stop it. And then what youre going to see is there going to also expand into asia. They are on the move. They have the momentum right now, and we as americans and the west fail to realize it and admitted and confront it. Isis is the jv team, we are winning. This doesnt look like winning to me, folks. I dont know what look like to you, when you see that youve got failed states in libya, syria, iraq, yemen. Failed states are the havens where these groups migrate to. And when you take a look at it and go back to what we talked about when we started, which is that when it breaks its very, very hard to put together. Its going to take a long time. The middle east is broken. Africa is broken. Large portions of africa are broken, and more of it is going to get broken over the next 1824 months. Europe is on the verge of breaking. And for europe to get back to the europe that we knew 10 to 15 years ago, im not sure its even possible, okay . But the question is how far will he go and how far will it deteriorate before they put in place. What you will see many of these countries is, and look at this very, very closely. There is now a break between the populace end of the governed. People that are covering, we see the same thing here, all right . Its not necessarily, that doesnt essential to me you end up doing the right thing but theres a disconnect. Youve got governments in europe saying come on in, welcome and. You are welcome here. And you got the people in the cutie sang know, this isnt working for us. If were going to do that, which we question, but if were going to do what weve got to do some kind of assimilation process or whatever or were going to lose our germanness. So youve got that right. Think about here in a tiny, we face some of the same kind of issues. How many of you have heard about legislation a lot of states are considering, american law for american courts . Its something we are working on in colorado . No. No. People say, why would you have to do that . Because w were taking a look at whats going on in europe. In many parts of europe that are a little enclaves of areas where they allow for sharia law, right . If we talk about, think about, people were talking about american law for american courts dont mention any of the kind of thing. They just said we want to reaffirm that in america, think about it, in america we want to affirm that if you go to court you will be judged by an american law and nothing else. Thats all we are saying, okay . [applause] and for those that are espousing those kinds of ideas, youre a racist. Well, thats hate speech. Know its not. Thats a speech that says i love america. I kind of like our system. Its imperfect but its better than anything else thats out there. I just want to make sure people who are here recognize that if youre in america, you will live under american law. Fairly simple. Because do we really want to embrace some of the philosophy and ideology thats out there in some of the other places . Take a look at what radical islam, how they treat religious minorities. Im sorry, its not the values that i embrace, that we in america embrace. Their treatment of women, treatment of kids, human rights, asic human rights and human values. No, we have to reinforce who we are and what we need to do. So the trend out there i think is relatively bleak. Im thrilled that theres a group like this thats here today, but i encourage you, the threat to america is real, and its today. This is not something that we can lead to our kids under grandkids. This is something, this is what doctor love my friends in europe. We wish that we had talked about this and address this 15 years ago because its much harder for us to address it today. Thats a lesson that countless is learn from us and dont make the same mistakes that we made. America is strong. We are the greatest. We are exceptional. And the question that we now have is what im going to do to make sure that we keep that exceptionalism and we continue to be the bright hope for the world . Does that mean everybody has to be like this . No. For everybody to get where we would want that to be would love to have an but we will not deploy our military to make that happen. We will set an example for who we are and what the benefits are so people want to aspire to what we are and who we are. And when they see who we are able want it and they will make that change for themselves. We will an and courage it but ty will do because that is what they want, not because it is imposed on them. And so that is the challenge that we face. Like i said i believe we are losing today and that we need a National Dialogue to move this forward. We need to get rid of republican and democrat labels on this. We need to embrace, we need to come together once again as americans and talk about what it means to be american and develop a longterm strategy. We can no longer have a Foreign Policy that shifts dramatically every time we put a new person into the white house. We need a longterm policy that says this is who america is, and from one president to the next, from republican to democrat, we may tweak our Foreign Policy but never again will we dramatically, so dramatically change our Foreign Policy that, you know, we are in the mess that we are today. Our enemies no longer fear us. Our friends no longer trust. People say why wont assad negotiate with us . This is not brain surgery, folks. Assad has looked at mubarak and says this is a guy who did everything the americans asked him to do for 30 years and the americans threw him under the bus. They look at gadhafi and they said this is a guy that changed all of his stripes, aligned with the americans, killed jihadists and the bus kept going from cairo to tripoli and it rolled over him next. Think about, gadhafi lived six months longer than bin laden before we killed him. What is the lesson to assad or anybody else out there . Thats a good idea, i think i would negotiate with the americans. You know, if i really change my behavior, if i improve the human rights and if i really go after radical jobless and work with them, they are going to be with me. I dont think so, thats not going to work. So it got to get beyond this. We need to develop a shared vision for where we want to go, what American Values are and how we are going to promote them in the future. And we need to learn from the lessons and the mistakes and the good things that weve done over the last 15, 20 years to move forward. Without i am more than willing to take whatever questions you want to throw my way. [applause] patty from class of 2015. Are there, twopart question, on any democrats that could give the same kind of speech to a room . And if not, if you in this room with a group of democrats what would they be throwing back at you . Yeah, i think there are. To are some. Theres not a lot of democrats, but no, there are some who clearly see the threat from radical jihadists. Would they throw back at me . Unit Hillary Clinton was talking about, this amazes me, she talked about in one of the debates, said libya is a great calm is the best example of the use of smart our. Smart power. Its like, youve got to be kidding me. But thats where they believed. What i think it would throw back at you is, you mentioned in the front row here, youre a racist, islamaphobe, you know, you just dont see the world clearly. What i did in the book is outlined a series of what i think are realistic Foreign Policy and outline. Foreign policy is not black and white. Most of the world that ive dealt with in Foreign Policy, its a great. To move forward you sometimes have to do business with bad people. Theres a whole series of things like that. Gets messy, but no, you see every day. They are racist, they are scared, and those kinds of things. And the other what they throw, all you want to do is go to war. No, i dont want to go to war. I wouldve left gadhafi in place. I wouldve loved assad in place. And if we had, i wouldve left mubarak in place. If we had left those three governments in place the middle east would be a whole lot different today. I think we also have to learn, why would i say that . Because i think we learned, hopefully we learned the lesson from iraq. When you go in and break it, its really hard to put back together. You partly answered my question. It seems like we have this game of whackamole. We take them out and more show up in the psyche. It seems like maybe our best strategy is to just support of two strong men even though that seems unpleasant in itself. It is unpleasant. They are not great choices, but the end result is, like i said, they kept the lid on the garbage can and when they were gone, because nato and the west were unwilling to put the resources and all of those types of things in place to keep a lid on, you see failed state. The other thing our report will show is where do you see the greatest number of terrorist attacks and those types of things . In the failed states. What are the failed states . The ones we have been most active in. Yeah, theres a total nexus. You described a change that you would like to see in the political dynamic such that Foreign Policy doesnt go through these abrupt changes between administrations, specially different parties. How do you see that actually occurring . Just a whole new level of maturity back into the political process. So were all going to which are all of a sudden its because no. Youre asking how it could happen. Im not saying it will happen. How you see it happening. Im very pessimistic, okay . I mean i listened to the campaigns today on both sides of the aisle, and i see a lot of phrases thrown around that provide the American People with the hope and expectation that there are easy answers to these, what i see as deep, enduring problems, and its like no, this is not. This is hard. This is not political. You are using this for political advantage. So im very pessimistic, and i see the real opportunity that as you go from, that what weve seen over the last 12 to 14 years, were going to see for the next 12 to 14 years where Foreign Policy is a political hot button. It is a leverage point to win elections, and its going to flow back and forth. Why . Because Foreign Policy is really, really hard. People are going to make mistakes, every other Political Party is going to leverage that for their political advantage. And we as americans are going to suffer. So no, i pessimistic about us actually developing the majority to have the kind of discussions we need on Foreign Policy. Im sorry, i wish i had an optimistic answer but i dont. I lived through it when i was on the intel committee. There was all this discussion about black sites. Republicans and democrats all knew that these things were going on. We were briefed. We were briefed in detail about what enhanced interrogations were, where they were being used, who they were being used on. It was a gang of the type of thing. Gang of eight type of thing. That i started seeing it in the press. It didnt come out of the intel community, it came out of congress and the people using it for a little advantage. They thought they could store the other Political Party and use it to gain advantage in the next election. You know what . They were right. And they hurt america because of it. That doesnt mean i agree with everyone of those policies, but every single republican and democrat in the room had the opportunity to stand up and say no. I never saw one of them do it. Until they had an opportunity to talk to the press anonymously. May be my question lays on what you just said. In the back there is a sign that says Big Government sucks. And weve heard a number of the previous speakers say some variant of big tom sucks. At the fact remains, i think you look at this countrys history, the war was the health of the states and they were going to go to war you cannot run a war on the basis of Big Government sucks your wars mean higher taxes. They mean larger debts. They mean more government power, and they mean less freedom for individuals. Its just part of the way we deal with emergencies when wars happen. I think thats something that maybe this Program Needs to think about. Yeah. Okay. Im jack graham from fort collins. Ive heard many people talk about the fact that we are not just fighting a military war, that we are also fighting an ideology, radical islamic terrorism. Similar to world war ii with nazism, stalinism, imperialism. Do you agree with that . And if you do, how do we fight at . Well, absolutely, i just got, someone sent to me this morning where someone asked about richie to gabriel from, what is it, for america. She gives a wonderful answer to it is an ideological as well as military. Her aunt is something like, goes along the lines and she does a much better than i do, yeah, the question was our most muslims pizza loving . Most germans were peaceloving and we still ended up fighting a war that cost millions of lives. Many people in russia, most people in russia, most people in russia are peaceloving and they still went through a process where they killed over what, 20 million people. Most japanese are peaceloving other went through a killing swath across much of asia. So we have to fight ideology. A protestant from west michigan cant fight the ideological war. Im reading about these interfaith dialogue with christians, muslims and jews of these types of things and its like yes, thats good. You know what they ought to be talking about . Lets have this dialogue and lets go help the christians and the and the other religious minorities in the middle east. Thats the issue right now. Its not about what you can put a mosque on this corner, but go help us save yazidis in iraq today. Helpless save, make an impact. That is the fight they need to be having. Thats what the Interfaith Alliance needs to be talking about come at a dollop of sad we save the lives of these people are being butchered and massacred and crucified all across the middle east . [applause] the peaceloving muslims need to fight them need to be a tip of the spear to take this, and fight this ideology within their religion. I wanted to ask you to do something. I imagine might be tough but i met a lot of us will either kind of going, what the heck is going through the might of barack obama as president of the county. Im going to ask you to do something, channel him if you dont mind and tell us what you are thinking. No, i think, i think only by watching what hes doing, okay . And i cant, you know, im not going to get into that, okay . Defunded many believed that by engaging he fundamentally believed that by engaging with the folks that quoteunquote were enemies of the United States, that because he was president , they would see as different as they would change their behavior. Okay . And no, they did not give up their self interest to the Muslim Brotherhood wants to destroy us today as much as they did eight or nine years ago or 20 years ago or 80 years ago. I want to establish the caliphate by engaging with them, we provided them an opening to make more progress in the last eight years and they made in the 50 years before that, okay . Engaging, this president wanted to do with iran the day he went into office, and we got a deal with iran. It doesnt tell you about the quality of the deal. But we got to do everything we will regret that agreement. They didnt change, the frustrating thing with iran, they got that youve edited change their behavior. They never paid reparation to the victims of the terrorist attacks. 150 billion, some of which will be used to fund terrorist attacks against israel, against the United States at our friends throughout the middle east. They havent, you know, they are not changing their behavior. And now his engagement with cuba, and what other headlines about this . In the face of obama going to cuba, there is a crackdown on dissidents. And then he may give them get no get no. I think this is why i really argued for experienced especially in Foreign Policy. This is really, really hard. I think this president went into it naively, believing that we change our behavior, it will change if theres. And what i think we found is that we changed our behavior dramatically. And almost all these cases would ask for no change in behavior, and we didnt get any change in behavior. And so thats where we are today. I just appreciate you giving me the time to be here and share these thoughts with you. And i will be here for the rest of the conference, for the view that didnt get your questions answered, ill be around and you can take a shot at me later. Again, 90 very much and thanks for all the good work that you do. [applause] our booktv lineup will continue in a few moments. Tonight more authors and books