Fabulous evening as the orbit around october with events rut the month it is aimed ladies who lunch of women who have panels of about space. I encourage you to take a look at the insert that you should have received. All of this programming is of broader effort to highlight the boom of activity happening in space today the of the events tonight you will care about. But were also very much involved in space and doesnt with the reusable rockets or planetary resources and those other working on in space manufacturing. The Seattle Space community is growing and throwing riding endeavours and it is my distinct pleasure to introduce a featured Speaker Author of a new book titled how to make a spaceship. And those who dream to bring space to the masses including dropouts or retirees are billionaires and a determined peak who refused to give up on his dream. 84 the great introduction were having the best day. This is interesting on many levels catholic added now you start to with this and peter was eight years old when apollo love and lands on the moon july 1969 his wife died and transfixed the magic of the apollo 11 and he is determined in the moment what apollo was possible as star trek was likely be possible so he believed dead all of this with this unbelievable quest would end the original pursuit was to get their own through nasa and did all these things. Betty realizes that that is how he would get there. So that special recipe is a book that connects the story to the golden age of aviation he has this off of moment as he flew the transatlantic flight to say he flu this to with the 25,000 prize and he realizes that if he wins the first man to fly the flight from new york to paris and launches the commercial space industry, he thinks what if i could do the same thing . Ended may 1996 i am hearing Great Stories tonight from the Mojave Desert he is under the arch n st. Louis of the 10 million prize for the first team that can fly in and rocket into space. The head of the faa but he does not have 10 million. Small details so he goes out on a quest so he meets the only flying lindbergh and of family. And it is saw profound of man who lives with this enormous legacy legacy and to get involved to be rescued by dex prize it is a profound story so now what do you need . You need a maverick aviation designer so what else do you need any this really disciplined Program Manager it is working for paul allen c. Any day benefactor and a founder of microsoft he has uh vision so theyre all these great components and then what else steven need . You need intrepid test pilots. These that word test pilots and Scaled Composites and 63 years old at the start of space june 2004. And to have huge human brain gary and it is a great conductor to hold these characters into this. And to be persevere like, a few people have ever heard of in my life but he went out n is told in no to be very creative to tell them this would never work to give that up and it will not happen to be persevere to hold onto his dream Great Innovation to make all of this happen. In this magical moment as they tell me stories when these flights for in the of Mojave Desert that they can do really remarkable things. And in this moment in history to have a team of 30 people with the replica is right above us it is incredible that embodies the best of the human spirit. With that tenacity and skill at all different levels. I was so happy and honored i could tell about this story. It is a great inspiration and is embraced by the next generation. With the gift of the spirit of st. Louis and how to make a spaceship would inspire the next generation of innovators and dreamers and i just want to quickly introduce an amazing team of highschool students, from the stamp Charter Academy their story is so remarkable if they can come up here quickly. [applause] there from the stem Charter Academy and theyre building a spaceship guess who is their mentor . Theyre making a hit inspiration from the story all of those here on stage it wasnt just one person to play a key role the test pilots close to captive going but he rescued many times saudis people in managed to keep the dream alive long enough to make it happen it was a grueling odyssey and now we have the skilled and talented teenagers who were just going to say a few words just to say a couple of words here. With innovators and for word thinkers. Exactly like this book and amazing book to win spired him but it absolutely inspired us as an incredible person actually we are doing this in an north idaho and launching a satellite that is the modern day time capsule that is eagle direction one record for the voyager mission. And all of these amazing people and to have something to say. And only takes one person or opportunity for that passion but students may not of that they have. If you would tell me one year ago i would be launching a satellite i would laugh at you but now with those opportunities for those that were sent if they wanted to. Thanks for writing your book a was an inspiration for everybody for anybody was ever heard of the enterprise or spaceship one. And is so wonderful to see that nextgeneration one to recognize one other individual a gentleman here thought the slot if you is the designer of the backpack for apollo 11. [applause] maybe we can get some stories from him later but next we will have a great Panel Discussion but also try to get your questions it is a great honor to be here. Negative obama take much time and i have the privilege to meet him back when he was trying to raise the money and it came to cover the next prize credit is been continuing even after it was awarded to be the founder and executive chairman devoted to promoting those in the works so look up the next price for more details i want to refresh your memory to be headed venture or an artist from the board of trustees for the x Price Foundation and that helped out immensely what they have been trying to put all this together. And to ship one project and just to catch you up to date spaceships one followed by spaceship to develop to buy Virgin Galactic and they did have a fatal accident day couple of years ago they have recovered another have a second that they have just begun flight testing and they just want a reusable rocket with this amazing feat and did Just Launched a commercial cargo ship to the International Space station. It could be argued that this might have happened with the commercial space flight revolution and bascom to share some of favorite stories but then and now you have to get going pretty soon. 100 of my favorite . [laughter] data but to get into the q a starting at 539630. So give them that the did is and i hear when i met him just finished of Challenger Center and the use to pull the salon every month with some amazing people in the Space Business for the ax prize because i was positively sure this city into is a device that challenge but thinking of a bunch the competition in the same way that he got his money but he says you should go to st. Louis saddam. Associate convince me to come there and we actually got this thing stick him to understand how this got funded and so proud of the work that you have done. One renounce this prize i was absolutely or positively scheerer who would not want to pay the 10 billion after . That looks like a nobrainer in they said you are crazy it cannot be done. No, no, no. And clean we ended up finding this through n insurance policy it was a crazy idea of a 3 million premium in order to get someone to come against to. If nobody one that keeps the 3 million. But the problem was we dont have the 3 million. So the 50,000 fridays ride negotiated would pay 50,000 a month for one year, to give me enough time to raise the rest of the money. The first that i paid for myself that was the maximum did then we have a lot of Board Members to reached into their pockets to pay that 50,000 friday. 1. We were short a chunk and asa it is over of less you get the museum. And then you say yes and got somebody to pitch in the final major payment and for that reason it is this side of the spaceship with the st. Louis Science Center is the benefactor. He saved my but a multitude of times. With that. [applause] it has been 12 years that we were all talking about tourist will go into space on commercial space miners immense still be waiting. I never would have bet 12 years. But just low enough to get off of planet. The laws of physics to make it extraordinarily difficult but i know without any question in my heart did in my soul is uh uh decade for those if you are alive whenever we become in this the next 20 years to look back that this is the moment in time so let me recognize of chris to landed three missions and now the co of another Seattle Company so we will not replicate what happened in the 60s we had a fascination with the extraordinary moment in time to be put into the past but we do have and that will happen now because of those risktakers the Exponential Technology and as a species. So questions from the floor . So how much can we scale. Is it is basic for that physics the experiment one of the space in ventures was of predecessor to planetary resources theyre flying people with that capital rushes to russian vehicle. Because david never allow the shuttle. 120 million for a space flight 38 roughly 40 million it is less the if you make aid vehicle reusable you kid drop the cost down. So lets roundup and number of 50 kilograms is that good enough . Mass times gravity times white one negative height but then to the orbital of 35,000 kilometers per second San Joaquin County amount to the potential energy to get into orbit. The the guy you to space to go into orbit is about 100 we have a lot of Price Performance a lot of progress to be made but we need that economic engine that is where Companies Like predatory resources is the most exciting time ever. You are working out the math there are some other questions steven q. Have done so many things in space so let unifies all of them . Any yearold kid who dreams that i will go with an asset and and then i meet astronauts. Your chance to be accepted our 100th thousand. But even if you get accepted their call penguins because theyd have wings. If you do fly maybe once or twice in your career. But not get all myself into space but that economic engine because that is a rising tide so the realization is all about people with the right technology you can build that technology called r d but having the people who are not afraid to take a rest and will do whatever it takes what i want to teach them my passion for speech space to read amazing books curiosity the most Impact Clothing not giving up. Refusing to give up. It is always the of hardest raising the 10 million. Called the new spirit of seamless to raise 25,000 in in total from the spirit of st. Louis organization. Then to spend all of money with two Board Members on the spot. Sojourn be so absolutely blown away about risk adverse was so really . It was so challenging and that was very difficult and and then i got the pitch today to is representing all of his investment and state interest so remember to this day with videos and power points that is a pretty good pitch. Is that what you thought . And might right raise the money. We have someone that wants to ask a question. I wanted to build upon the comment earlier about inspiration and finding inspiration in books. I met you when i was 19 and i think what you conveyed to me is an attitude of taking action. Could you comment on when is the right time and when are the right circumstances to make choices to do things and what conditions should you wait for. Years ago i started cataloging these things a friend ahead on the wall, murphys law, anything that can go wrong will. The hell with murphy. That was the first one. The realization of something to nothing is infinite and so just doing something, taking a step in action every day. So for anybody here that is an entrepreneur that has a dream you havent told somebody, that action can be reading an amazing book, inspiring a cofounder. When you take that first action, it commits you. The most important thing you can do is tell everybody because the more people you tell about it, there you are, its talking about the Company Ability app. So she wouldnt have met jeff if he hadnt told about it. So tell about your action and dont ever be embarrassed. The difference between something to nothing is infinite and the difference between for me the only reason it didnt fail is because i didnt give up. Like dont do it, give up. I had an amazing team, dianne murphy, and we just supported each other and didnt give up. Did you have a question . Tell me a little about whats your dream is. To navigate public spaces and find safe and reliable services. God bless you. [applause] we have a person that would like to ask a question right over there. The a little bit older than the last questioner. Usually when you go through the entrepreneurship environment, you end up finding that you make a lot of mistakes and mistakes are the places you learn something worthwhile but they tend to get paid in an history. Im sure that wasnt the case. But for the disasters you had aside from financing . I like to joke that the prize was overnight success after 11 years of hard work. There were so many, and the book talks about that. I think we were out of money so many times. One of the Great Stories, one of the great moves was i miss eric and one of the things i did write her leon, by the way to say something, it wasnt the first thing i did. For any entrepreneurs or kids in the audience, it was like the 12th thing i had done. Please start a chapter. I was the president of mine, chris was the president of his and its a great learning experience and hopefully we have a lot of chapters in the area. So, the space generation foundation, the space university, we have some alumni at the isu and on and on. So, you build that and people watch you and support you taking the next risk and support you taking the next. One of the things i learned is having the right people around you made all the difference in the world. I was in 1995 i snuck into the air and space museum for the blacktie gala. Had an invitation, smoking because i wanted to meet the lindbergh foundation. They had an annual events and i met and did something you never do. I pitched the primary person. I was pitching her, the ceo of the foundation and said i really want to get the family involved in this crazy idea and she said you need to meet Erik Lindbergh and i met him very soon after. Tell that story and th the storf the story to fastforward to six years later, seven years later when we are out of money on which anniversary, 75th player eric does something daring and recreate his grandfathers flight as a single pilot single Aircraft Industries is a Million Dollars to keep the prize going. So this is an effort that died a thousand deaths along the way but they kept us going. We would like to hear your side of the story. He mustve been one of the craziest people alive to come up with this idea. Clearly he is crazy there is no question. I was living in a yurt of bainbridge and id grown up in this ethos trying to balance and spent the latter half of their lives working to save our quality of life i thought for me and our generation so that we would know that quality of life that he had. Let me just take a second. They had flown to Shuttle Missions and he was one of the first people i called. Early on he really was a Founding Member of the prize as well as our friend. So a number of people. I give a lot of credit in the book but there were dozens of people who were asked toward neroli central. They were interesting, and byron is a twotime astronaut and i just got from him at that dinner at a grilling kirkland im not a space geek, kind of an aviation geek but i wanted to see the planet from space. What would that do to the ability to keep this spaceship, the only sustainable spaceship we have. Plants, animals, all the people we love. How to keep that sustainable and maybe space could teach us how to not screw up our own nest as humans. Thats where it came from, and this was cool. It was a little bit over the edge and i thought okay i will check it out further and further into the more you get involved, the more you get infected not just by the idea of going into space and experiencing weightlessness. At the time i had Rheumatoid Arthritis and ive gone from state champion gymnast to walking with a cane when i met you guys i was walking with a cane barely. I thought i want to go to experience weightlessness because just my personal situation. But what kind of evolved through that is this team of people working with the museum and raising money here. [applause] we know youve got somewhere to be. [laughter] [applause] so now its just us. Now we can talk about him. Wait just a minute. Hes not out of the building. Infectious, entrepreneurial startup mentality. That didnt work. We will try it this way or go talk to this persons wife. We went to see orville middendorf who had to meet company and he gave us 25,000. Unbelievable. It was just amazing to be a part of a small team of people that got spaceship i hanging in the air and space museum next to my grandfathers plane. That overnight success of ten years, that was incredibly difficult to have that kind of success has given me, it has given all of us the juice we need to keep trying even after failure. Like what am i going to do next. Because i know that i can change the world. And that was really the most incredible gift i had in my life to come at the bottom, disabled, didnt have a wife for a computeor a computerat the timed have in a good thing but my physical life was over. But i was able to gain it back again and along with this arc of the spaceship. I dont know if i will get another chance but i will keep trying. I know youve got so many things going on but are you thinking you would want to go into space, is there something in the lindbergh genetics that make you feel you would like to give it a try . I would love to go to space and see the planet. When you talk to jim and jean and those guys have been out there, everything you know and love and depend upon, we want to experience that. But also, looking at va or in space museum i realize im not really a market scientist, im an aviation geek. Therefore what did i learn from this and how do we do that for aviation, which is my chosen field. So ive been pointing at electric proportion that represents the frontier for nasa and its a hard problem like spaceflight to the Energy Density of batteries is way too heavy. The more weight you carry it into the air the more power you need to keep it aloft and the more weight you need to carry its a negative feedback loop that its important. We need clean and quiet flight to get the next generation billing and if we dont somebody else will be sitting in the left seat driving that industry. So, weve got to do it, and we are sort of at that exponential curve. The need of the curve now where we are starting to see a tremendous amount of electric development and the batteries are slowly coming along so we can start to see it taking a lot longer than i hoped when i started ten years ago. [laughter] i want to hear more about how you got involved in this because this is such a big story and what were you doing when it occurred and how did you get into the project . I was thinking you were about 8yearsold. I was a reporter for 20 years and i met peter two years ago and i was doing a profile on him and i said how does this whole thing began. I knew it only in the most superficial details or kind of grants. The more he told me about it, the more intrigued i was. I didnt know the connection, i didnt know the incentive. I havent looked at the prius model. I didnt know how many times people had told him no. I didnt know much about bird who is greater than life, you cant make this character up which is why i like nonfiction. And then the test pilot and erics story, paul allen, dave moore, to kind of brings structure to the Scaled Composites in a very different ecosystem. I go about stories because of the characters and the drama and where they begin and end and what are their dreams, what are the obstacles they face, and what do they do to make those dreams a reality and how does it affect us. So i seemed to like the underdog stories and this was a david versus goliath struggle and i just became more and more captivated by the characters, the more i knew about them and then to think that history was made and inspired an industry that at its most promising states today as you know. Any other questions right now . Put your forecasting hat on. We heard it was 30 million a person and injured peter say that it was 100 of energy. What is the cost going to be in ten years . Lets let him tackle this. [laughter] im seeing a lot in getting the two together. Its unfortunate they had this accident two years ago on how halloween. This second example built at this point, i think built by the Spaceship Company run by a good friend of ours. I think they will get that thing together. I think we are a year or two away from several flights being available for 250,000. So two years from now. An amazing individual, an amazing commitment to actually getting people on mars. Anyway he can do it, he will. He is our iron man of the generation. So, ten years from now there is a lot of possibilities that could be affordable for a lot of folks. The figure we used to talk about that was the most meaningful to me as all forms of transportation are expensive at the beginning, trains, automobiles. They are prohibitively expensive and when you start to achieve the economies of scale, the cost comes down. I am not up for 250 grand for a flight to bring it down to 50 grand, 25 grand. Then maybe 80 possible ten years from now. [inaudible] down to 25. Three years from now, 1050, and even ten years from now, 25. Achievable goals this question is for you. There were 60 people in the company that bill gates was my boss for four years. So those were kind of the early days of the industry right here in seattle. You also have kind of a front row seat to the early days of the commercial space industry. How would you compare i look at some of the challenges and the different software. Theres a lot of similariti similarities. I was hired because i worked a knowing debate co borrowing worked out boeing and i was hired to work on the first spreadsheet product so i was charged with a wad of growth control and guidance as. Josjosh was my primary Program Manager. You have to have a role of good cop, bad cop to find out what was going on in the project and it was a sort of seminal moment in december, 2002, the scale. Theyd slept anothetheyve slipr two or month so everything you see the schedule it will go from month to month. We had to talk about the basic Program Management event in the environment there are basic ways you can look at the technology and apply the Program Management tasks and ways you work with the team and the engineers say you are communicating with them and jeff and i had to teach the folks if you dont help them you will reach these milestones you go out and work with them and the team this is what we are trying to do. You tell me what its going to do to you. You tell me what systems you need to put together a plan so at one point we have to go out and tell them the date. When they worked with you to come up with a schedule and you have a basic agreement on what youre going to do, they made that commitment and they are respecting you for asking the opinion on when they can get the work done and they made up a solid commitment to make this base. Thats when you keep the project on schedule and keep the budgeting and control so thats the nature thing at microsoft early on as jeff and i were then able to train the team to get gt projectthe project done on timeo budget. See. What answer you give me but then i would have to tell paul what the new number is and if it slides again we are going to have a come to jesus because the money might not be any more. You guys are on the hook. You understand. Then we would go down to that everywhere. It took a few weeks. He really was uncomfortable with that. Thats how went down. It did take a few weeks, months for them to understand, even then you have to kind of learn your way around the organization because youre always going to get one story from one guy whos really far up in charge and if you have more boots on the ground and you can say well that i hasnt slept in three days, i dont think youre making it today. That kind of feedback is really good and we would do our own internal and next terminal schedule. I would say this is berts number, this is my number. I think we should budget for that one theres a lot of techniques, i wont go into details but Program Management, theres a lot of things you can do to get the actual prediction. I was just going to say when i was looking back at the stories that i wrote in 1998, peter was saying this will be one in 2001. Three years from now we will have at one. It was 2004 which is really not bad when youre talking about rocket science, but it seems like there is a trend that it always takes longer than people think its going to take longer than they say it will take. Dispatches come with the territory with any project . Aviation has a history of that so the way this project started off for me is that we should do something enough outside. I had to figure it out from there. Then when bert actually propose the project to me, i said to paul and i describe with the project was and i said heres upper things it was. But whatever you tell them in the end, its going to cost more and take longer and it will be too heavy. All those things came true. Any other questions . Its true alan, its true in aviation and its true in space, it always takes longer, although , blue origin and spacex are kind of changing that curve. Maybe Virgin Galactic also although taking them time. It always takes longer. Is there anyone from blue origin who might want to say word . No . Okay, in. Actually, ill add something here. Actually i was working working and putting the proposal together and actually did a full survey of every company i could find was actually doing things space related print i wasnt necessarily going to tell paul, recommend to paul that we fund it. I wanted to see all the possible competitors, and i knew about blue origin at the time for this was like at 2000, and i found and i found out where their address was, where the company was and i reached out to find out what was going on because we wouldve thrown our hat in with them if they were actually going down a path so i drove down to their office someplace and there actually was a little sign that said blue origin, knock on the door and nobody knocked on the door. From this day, ive never talked to anyone from there even though i reached out. You said there was like blue paper in the windows. Yes, i talked to 22 other Countries Companies in my Due Diligence before i actually signed the paperwork. This was experimental, and it was taking longer because they had simply never done this before. It had never been done. Have been done by the three largest governments, by the us, china and the soviet union. So weve got the small team of 20 or 30 engineers working in the Mojave Desert and said theres a great story in the book about the thermal Protection System, its just a classic, it epitomizes the scrapping us of this group of people. They are ready to go with supersonic flight and they need to get the thermal protection figured out when they been fretting over this and number none of it had been working and they been coming back in the paint was chipping off and it was like the desert of the mojave and this young engineer, was like bert, this is and you work, what are we gonna do the. We have the supersonic flight coming up. He says body putty. Use, scrape some of this off, put some body putty on. Dry like a hard candy. Math like body putty thats like automotive putty, just typical bono. Thats like what . You kidding me, hes looking at him amber walks away and so hes like okay, body putty. So he tries it outcome a test set at different temperatures and all my gosh, it works works. He goes back to berts like bert, it works. He said the body putty. Oh he said great. But this is proprietary so you cant just call it body putty. You need to go to the store, you need to get some different ingredients. You need to get something to make it proprietary. You need to get some oregano, this is a true story. This is why i love nonfiction. You cannot make this up. You need to get some cinnamon because you add a little sentiment to the body putty and suddenly you have this beautiful pink hue which will go with the american patriotic theme and so, you know, thats what the proprietary thermal Protection System was and it worked for spaceshipone. If you look closely, maybe in in the smithsonian, you will see little flecks of oregano in the paint. Dont forget the oregano. I think this gentleman had a question. So in the past and in the future, what do you think has been more important, innovation and mention of new or just more capital to help create a larger economy of scale for state development . Did i mention im not a rocket scientist. You know, i think in most technological development, it is a stepbystep iteration of put people putting together off the world stuff in a new way using new Technology Like computer code to make it actually work with the right timing and so forth. Like might grandfathers flight across the atlantic was all off the shelf, he did it in just a little bit different way. Bert kind of his stuff is a little more out there or a little more experimental. It really isnt. Honest to god, the big story that they tell us is that his innovation, first it was how much of the earths air is under 60000 feet . What percentage of the atmosphere of earth is at 60,000 feet or lower . Does anybody know . Gases in the back. 93 or 95 of the air is below 60000 feet. Above 60,000 feet, your body temperature is high enough to boil the water in your body at the air pressure of 50000 feet. His realization was, he was at oshkosh back in the day, and its a pressurized aircraft. Thats almost a spaceship. Right . Thats over half. You like dude, theyre not even that good at it. I could do better than that. That was his first step. If we built a steel vessel, its just an egg. Theres no, its like a co2 scrubber. Its a literally a scuba tank of air to add extra air in that thing. Thats it. Its no special freaky spacesuit or anything like that. Well get a scuba tank and if the pressure looks low, you should open the valve right. Literally, thats how it works. The flight controls are the same as assessed not. Its a push control system. I dont know if theres any flyby little airplanes, but theyre way more complicated. Its the same kind of thing pretty you only innovate when you have to. Thats the trick to doing it on time and cheaply. The rocket motor, okay, that was a little tricky. That took all the innovation. The rest is pretty straightforward, and reentry. , the stable reentry for its pitch independent. Thats a big thing he talked about that most other airplanes have to entry and at a very controlled pitch. If youre too low you go to fast them or not. Both of those are bad. So you want to create a way that no matter what the attitude is of the airplane or reentry, it is stable and then you fly home and land and thats what spaceshipone does. Two areas of innovation, thats it. As i said earlier, we actually only have two patents on that. Keep the innovation as small as possible to still achieve the technical goal youre looking for. If you know without leading edge of technology is, its time and then you can put it together towards a novel. Purpose. Thats where most inventions come from. Being abreast of what the latest stuff is and then going oh, i could use it for that and i could use her for that. Thats for you want to pay attention. Pando is much more useful than they thought. The other breakthrough where he should get a patent for all his crazy beautiful design because those are not standard. Who came up with that. Is that birds design . The art is dan, dan craig was the guy that did the Stars Stripes and stuff like that. Hes kinda famous for making these model airplanes and he has these really cool model airplanes. Its really cool. He designed the beautiful white knight scheme and the Stars Stripes and then the logos, they send you the artwork and then ill print it out. Theyre just vinyl like stickon like you do a car. Who else makes designs like that. Exactly. When you hold it up and look at it, its an alien had. Who does that . Its appear mid. What more do you need to know. Its two guys flying a boomerang, one of his other crazy designs and its two aliens. You know, the ovalshaped had and one guys tearing his mask off and hes like these pretend masks are really uncomfortable. That tells you a Little Something about his creativity. Alan, i think we have time for one more question. Okay, lets, lets make it a good one. No pressure. This young gentleman right in the front. Just wait a second and ill hand the mic. On the side, it kind of looks like planes. My question is why did they make it look like planes on each side is one cut off at the end of the other side attached to the main. Body to make. [inaudible] it does look kinda weird. It is weird. This is what eric is talking about. I will get up and show you what happens here. So i think what we were talking about is these are connected. They look like two planes sidebyside. Jet exhaust into the tail would be bad. Their weird connection is you need to have enough room down here to carry spaceshipone fully underneath it. If we wanted to, the way it was designed, to be safe, its a twostage altitude of design so it slides up like an airplane and if something goes wrong then you can just land. Its totally safe. You would be fine, you had enough room underneath the land so that means you had have everything up out of the way. Then when you drop this thing or lighted on fire, fire, theres a big plume of rocket exhaust that comes out the act. Thats also very hot. You dont want to affect anything of the carrier plane. In order to get a 12foot together, you build you build the two tale pieces separately. At the time there was a lot of discussion. I forget might about one of the first airplanes ever not have a connected horizontal stabilizer across the back. Maybe the first one. Although white knight two also has this configuration as well the shadow launcher was is another design project. Turns out they work really well, and a lot of the aviation guys were like im not sure this is going to work. Birds like im pretty sure its gonna work and im the guy in charges over to try it. It did work. It worked really well. All his airplanes share this kind of fantastic ethos where they look really beautiful because all they are designed to do is the one specific purpose has in mind with noah mas to the old ways of doing it. Its all a new way that comes out of berts head. Note how these two are the same because you use the meeting of this to prototype the making of that. It saves time and effort. One neat thing, how old are you . Im ten years old. Your ten years old. So when bert was growing up, he loved aviation. He loved planes and so did his brother who went on to become a jet pilot. But he was this guy from the very beginning who, he wouldnt get a model airplane kit and build it from that kit following someone elses instructions. He would watch his brother build the plane, his brother would fly the plane, crash the plane and he would pick up the pieces and he would make a plane of his own design. It started when he was your age and he loved designing planes, but he also love designing planes of his own imagination and thats what he kept doing for all of his life. So he was drawn to it than any wanted to make things of his own design which is a really powerful, amazing message. Julian, this is your party so i would love to hear if you had any closing words. I think thats a great message, when you find your passion or think about what it is and listen to your instincts and take in all of the knowledge that you can, but ultimately follow your instincts and try to do really extraordinary things. Its one step at a time. It was one step at a time for peter and one step at a time for eric limburg, for everybody whos involved in this, where, where it was just a matter of going back to the word perseverance and innovating and coming back to it time and again and kind of having this singular dream that you have to see realized, so thats one of the things i most love about this story. Are we done done or can i add something . Add. Okay i just want to say that there is so much that is not in this book that when you read it, you think how could there be more, but this guy, this young guy was too old to fly for the airlines and he flew this rocketship into space. When he was 63 years old. And he actually flew it. Its not like the Space Shuttle computer flies up there, the pilots not doing anything. The pilot is holding the stick the whole time. So i guess my point is, even if youre a young kid at 63 you can still go for it. The story continues, i so appreciate you writing it because it brought tears to my eyes just remembering all the stuff that we went through and thinking peter and greg and i had been struggling with this thing for years and we wanted to go get our lighter readings. They said you have to go to high country soaring in nevada. Thats a place to do it. We were out there for a week of r r, getting our glider rating and we see a long easy fly in, and we go over, there were two operators they are doing glider training. And those guys were there to get their commercial glider ratings because they were all kind of glider pilots are ready, most most of them, but they werent commercial glider pilots. They were getting paid because they were on the payroll and they were flying this thing back is a glider so they had to get the glider rating. They had to go to drag search class. The rocket lights off and we do all kinds of new things. Things you dont think of. Theyre like okay, rocket lights off, theres gonna be a lot of acceleration, you have to get used to that. How can we do that . Well brians already in the navy, we dont know any Aircraft Carrier that we can use. Whats the second most acceleration you can have. Hey isnt there a school in southern california. Yes there is. Why do you guys all go down there for the weekend. They come back brands like while nothing launches hard. Its just like a cat launch and thats how they practice what the rocket would be like by learning to drive a dragster because that would be the equivalent of the pilot load, sort of, of what of what it might be like to fly the initial phase when you drop horizontally and pull around the corner, as we as we used to call it, to go vertical into space. Thats so awesome because for me, julian, writing this book, it has kind of laid it all out in what we did which really was now on anybodys radar. We did it and it was kind of a big thing we got on a lot of front pages, but its a busy world and now its set down as a legacy, and thats incredibly powerful for people to learn about, how to persevere and i just learned something new from jeff so its like there is so much in your story was really disconnected from our story, it was like trying to raise the money and get people behind us and efforts here in seattle and st. Louis in new york and l. A. And that all is sort of coming together, and even more so for me now and thats a great gift. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] i feel like we could be here all night, but this is great. I feel like weve been just around the bur virtual campfire telling tales. Doesnt the museum do space camp . The museum does do space camp, as a matter of fact. Make sure to check in. I think we broke 2000 campers last year. 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