Morning. White house press, come on, you can smile. No, come on john. Im going to tell you, i met with John Hickenlooper for the first time. We went to the dominos leadership here a few years ago and john is an entrepreneur. He is a common sense guy and i like the time i met him and unfortunately weve been able to get together to do something here. And that is to try to create a Health Care Bill that will make sure that its affordable, sustainable and people can keep their coverage and that that can lead us to transition to something that would allow us to control healthcare costs over time because thats the big issue, you cant have healthcare going across the room. This bill that the ceo did an analysis for yesterday, is really not acceptable to me in terms of being governor and im not just thinking about the impact it has on ohio while im governor because im thinking about the overall impact on the country and the longterm impact and there are a number of things, three points in particular that had me deeply concerned, number one is the loss of coverage for millions of millions of americans. And who would lose this coverage . The mentally ill, the drug addicted, the chronically ill. I believe these are people that need to have coverage and those are the working poor. One thing we need to understand about Medicaid Expansion is when people get on it, their only audit for three months, people think there they get on this and there on it for a lifetime. A try to get a job, some of them have problems. I dont know how many of you are aware but im sure most of you are aware of the problems connected to the drug abuse and how hard it is for somebody to get clean and stay clean the same issue is there with the mentally ill. With any constant treatment if they suffer from some of these severe illnesses. And of course the chronically ill need be covered as well and if you dont have a system that does that, you have a problem. We have a loss of coverage of millions of people, the amount of funding theyre putting into medicaid, just medicaid as awhole is even less and what the house has and what the house had was really not adequate. We may have been able to struggle through with it if we receiveds flexibility including the ability to exclude pharmaceutical companies being able to put highpriced drugs on our formulary but we were not given that likability. The senate then came and dramatically reduced the of money that would flow into the our overall medicaid budget. On the exchange side one thing thats been shocking to me is theres not enough funding over there aswell. So here you have a situation where the house , it appears, appears and we dont have all the analysis, actually has more money for the tax credits. To support those on the exchange. The problem with that is those tax credits were not big enough to make sure that people could get primary care, their deductibles would be skyhigh and in other words these three things which are fundamentally , where are the resources fall short, so it would leave a lot of people in a really difficult situation and there are many other things we are concerned about. Think about it this way. Ask you know, i want everybody in the country to put themselves in the shoes of people who are trying to better their lives. If we dont have good healthcare, if you are sick, you cant work. If you are hungry, its unlikely youre going to be able to work. What we are trying to do is to have a system that encourages people to work, to improve their lives and help their families. And i think the bill is inadequate. I have had a number of conversations in the last 24 hours with people calling in and heres what i would suggest. Today i would call on democrats to hold a press conference and to state that they are willing to sit and work constructively engage with republicans in coming up with a sustainable solution, something that can be sustained over a period of years that is a sustainable solution that can write this situation, that can improve this bill. Even if they have to start over again, thats fine. There are elements they can keep but these democrat senators should stand and they should challenge the republican that negotiated with them. If the democrats dont want to participate, shame on them and theyre playing politics over there over whats good for our nation but i think if both parties can get together, i have little doubt in my mind that they can, with a workable solution and weve seen it with very contentious issues. Whether its civil rights, whether it was negotiations between oneill and Ronald Reagan on social security, whether it was negotiations i was involved with on balancing the federal budget after a government shutdown. Good minds, people of good intent can sit down and fasten a solution on insurance for people while at the same Time Beginning a discussion about what we can do about rising cost of healthcare. This can be done and it should be done not in a partisan way but in a bipartisan way, that to me is the way you can do this. This is not good enough to shove this in the closet somewhere because there are big challenges with this bill. Finally, no one should think i have any joy in being able to work against the leadership of my own party on this legislation. But maybe jfk said it best. Sometimes my party passed too much. In the course of being able to solve these problems, anytime i will deviate with what im saying people now, people will be upset like when i said i dont propose a gradual phaseout of the enhanced math for Medicaid Expansion, that auto worked up. My job is being intellectually honest through this process. Thats what i intend to do. John hickenlooper is, im i love the way he thinks and i love the way that he does his job as governor and isnt it great, isnt it refreshing to realize republicans and democrats can stand on the same podium on a tough issue and get along and be constructive. This is the way it used to be. While i dont want to go backwards, i want to be in some sense going back to the future might be the way to be able to solve many of these big, looming problems that are right across the landscape of america, we can get thisdone. Thank you governor and i cant easily express how grateful i am that governor kasich has been working on this for a long time and this motion that the senate going to do a bill in secret and a very short amount of. , and then ring out and have it try to sell the notion that this is an improvement on healthcare, is a bad joke. And i call this the on healthcare bill because theres no improvement and pretty much only cots. And i think it takes a tremendous amount of courage to stand up like governor kasich or governor sandoval or the other republican governors who have truly recognized, governor baker, governor snyder. Governor hutchinson said serious conversations around the bill. That is what this comes down to. Its basic in peril, this isnt a political decision. Its a moral issue. And if you look at, i wrote down some of the members colorado would see, this is a reduction of 188 thousand people in colorado. And they would be in rural parts of the state. Again, thats a place where its hardest to get medical coverage as it is. Weve also look at 50,000 people that right now are through our private stagesnot giving them the ability , were going to accept coverage and again, thats not assuming anything. A certain point if the bill went through as it is, we would have a level of by some estimates over 100,000 deaths over the next 10 years and governors would be in the abysmal position of trying to allocate resources where you know youre not going to have time on coverage and ultimately, governor hickenlooper and i are not going to agree on everything in writing this bill we have to spend a lot of work trying to figure out what are the top causes and how can we get that space . We both agreed we got to control the rising healthcare but all of us certainly in terms of the federal exchanges and in terms of medicaid, but we have got to make sure we dont roll that coverage. Thats immoral. And i think that to try and push that from the country really for the benefit of, whos benefiting from this bill . Its 230 billion for the highest earners and the people that have a large amount of unearned income, thats a couple dozen and asked each one, does it matter to you when youre making 2 million a year or have, he and his wife make 300 a year and a face several thousand dollars, they dont care. Its not something youre asking for, give it to them and ill take it but every single higher or wealthy individual in the country, theres going to be less than million that can perceive the benefits. Most of them are asking for it so why are we making his huge, what services we offer to the public solely for tax cuts for people that are trying to get. Same thing with the insurance companies. They have tremendous benefits as it is. The industry is mutual, if you look at the American Hospital association, the american medical association, they are the people that are standing up for the common good. I hope, i think governor kasich on this, ill finish this clinician but i hope were able to take the on healthcare bill and put it aside, start over. I would be proud to have some Republican Democratic governors work with senators who would have gotten on the implement side and we are as governors hopeful across party lines all the time. And somehow the virus in washington to be governor for the ecosystem yet. And looking around the margins. Transparent both ways spent several months, six or eight months to look at what would a good bill be and how do we get there. Questions asked. [inaudible] i think the politics of todays politics of people and we cover in my state 700,000 people. Who are drug addicted and mentally ill and also chronically ill. When you sit and you talk to people about this, they really dont have much disagreement. There may be some philosophical, you know, kind of textbook disagreements. But when you sit in a room and you say to people, should we strip coverage . From somebody whos mentally ill . I never heard anybody say yes. We know about the drug problem in this country, its raging all across the country. We know how difficult it is. We know it takes as much as four or five times for people to their addiction and sometimes they dont. The same is true with the chronically ill. You say to people should they be in the emergency room driving at your cost or should we get them primary care and ive never had anybodyargue that point. So if they want to kind of repeal this expansion, where are they going to put the people . My sense was you know, expansion should have gone up to about 100 percent of poverty and taking those people and put them on the exchange if the exchange was actually funded under this bill is not. So i understand theres Campaign Promises and all that stuff. I try not to make Campaign Promises i cant keep and if i make one that i think doesnt measure up, it better be a big enough person to say im looking at it a different way. But i dont think that it makes any sense in America Today and by the way, even though were just talking about the poor, over time these kinds of actions will impact the middle class. It will have more People Living in Emergency Rooms which drives up all our healthcare costs. By working poor, people that we want to be able to have bigger incomes. They can join the middle class or on the end of the middle class would be hurt if these things are not funded appropriately. So you know what . Let me say one final thing. I balance more budgets that any of these people that are criticizing me. I was a chief architect of the balanced budget in washington and we have fiscal stability in my state, we cut taxes more than any governor. So maybe i have a right to define what it means to be a conservative as much as anybody else. And im actually in the fray, im with Teddy Roosevelt who says im in the arena, im not sitting on the side writing some paper somewhere so for me everybody should have a chance and what does conservatism mean . It means everybody should have an opportunity to realize their hopes and dreams and without adequate healthcare, its virtually impossible. And i sure wouldnt want any of those folks who are so highly critical to find themselves in a position where it could affect their family, one last thing, i went to a major newspaper and i had somebody sit next to me and the paper was not really, has been very critical of the healthcare side. A lady sitting next to me said that i you after the meeting and i said sure, so she whispered to me after everybody had left the room, thank god you expanded medicaid because if you had my cousin wouldve died. Made me kind of shot, almost knocked me off my chair. So i think theres things we here in politics and things that no one but the reality of the matter is we had better Pay Attention to people, many of whom feel very disenfranchised in this country and that doesnt lead to a healthy america, not just healthcare. [inaudible] theres no resources in it, thats the problem. John spoke eloquently about the fact that what youve done is youve given a lot of money topeople who are already very wealthy and denied resources to people who run the program. Theres no resources in here so they have to cut everything back. Look, ive talked about sevenyear phaseout. That gave us a lot of flexibility. I think john and i can agree or disagree on whether you need 138 or 100, if you have a Strong Exchange i rather get people more into private Health Insurance but you cant give people like three or 4000 and expect them to buy Health Insurance. Their deductibles are so high they have to sell their home. Theres ways to do this and we submitted plans and letters and we can get this done, i have no doubt about it. But there will have to be some decisions made that will go against the political promises and have to be more realistic and then all of them ultimately, we have to deal with the problem of rising healthcare costs. We have a lot of thoughts about that, one final thing. Do you understand that i would like to have the leverage, every governor would like to have the leverage on pharmaceuticals but if they have high prices for drugs, we dont have to include them in our formulary. And that we have that power we are going to get better prices. What in this town it doesnt seem anybody wants to do that and we dont want to bash the pharmaceutical companies, we want to be in a position where we can have leverage and have a good negotiation and end up with something that serves everybody. He certainly is looking at seriously. He understandsthe importance , i talked to him a couple months ago but he was very focused on trying to figure out a way to make sure coverage could get rolled back so i got a call into him now and my hope is that, hes someone who has a very conservative republican but he also doesnt think being a conservative republican means putting hundreds of thousands of people at risk which is what this bill in colorado, millions in the country. No, i havent. I will like or by crook get hold of this before theres any more, ill go camp on the doorstep if i have to. Just again, this is one of those things that he understands. Its a question, its in your dna. That youre doing this for the right reasons, just to make sure the decisions you make youve got to look back, weve got to finish this job and were looking back five or 10 years from now and i think you should want to be proud of the decisions youve made and you make decisions based on whats right and whats right for the greatest number of people. Youd be cutting, think about it, cutting 230 billion for the wealthiest people in america. How many of the vast majority of them are supporters. That some portion of that is going to be used to lobby and attack whoever. Senator heller in nevada right now has 1 million in attack ads. Thats why it takes courage to step up. Governor garners bridge. Im very hopeful and he certainly knows and ive had other people talk to how important this is to me. I look at this as one of the best brought issues that hes going to define himself by. The bills impact on colorado, what would that be . Senator gardner grew up on the plains of northeastern colorado and he built his life with his own two hands, a stellar career at university of colorado. Hes a smart, talented guy and he understands the hardships and difficulties of rural life and this bill would punish people in rural colorado. I got an old friend whos a geologist, way out on the west slope of colorado. Hes ending up paying 25,000 a year for healthcare. He makes what, i think 74,000 right now. It would be impossible, hows he going to get healthcare . He understands that hardship. Well see. Your speaking somewhat diplomatically and saying both parties should take a step back to do this right way, do it through a longer process. Would you take the step of saying this bill . This bill is unacceptable to me. But look, the thing is words matter and in this town a matter so much more than they ever have. In the old days we can get each other and josh each other and you know, have a good floor debate and go down and play basketball. Now you look at somebody the wrong way and you become the enemy. This town is dysfunctional. Im hopeful that look, i think if these democrat senators come out, get five or six or seven of them or eight and they say we are willing to sit down and Work Together to come up with a product that will work for the country, what are the republicans saying, no . Were not interested, thank you, drop dead . I dont think so. Now the question is, are the democrat senators, i put out some press release and whatever Mingo Junction colorado and nobody ever hears it, are they willing to stand up on stage and stay were committed to working on this and johns right, theres contentious issues. But when john and i put the letter together, we tried to pick on things we could agree on. Thats the way you negotiate. You pick on basic things you agree on and get into the details and the authority of subjects and you work it out. Listen, ive been involved in more negotiations whether it involved a b2 bomber or whether in involve the balanced budget and people have a common purpose , they always figure out a way to the successful. And the same is true in my state. The fact is that people of goodwill and good intentions can get it done. What you know what you have to think about, when you leave washington or you leave any elected position, did you leave people in a position of where they felt respected, lifted and given an opportunity or did you just look at lines on a piece of paper and make a decision because you see, the lines are flesh and blood. Its written in a impressed but underlying all that is the flesh and blood of the impact and i dont care what subject youre talking about so if they dont want to improve the bill, im not for this bill but im optimistic. I really am optimistic that cooler heads will prevail and john and i being here, we didnt do this because we want to come in here and talk to all of you, im here because i got a meeting ive been by two being talking to abortive businesses. John and i are here because we feel strongly about this. The last thing i want to do is be wasted on my own self righteous card but for some reason, it is has been deep in my heart to think about these people who dont have much and those who are trying to have much, those who are trying to bennett better their lives and i dont want to deal them a blow and they took a look around and see the richest of americans prospering while they struggled. Time for the Republican Party and Democratic Party to realize we are a potential meltdown, a division between the rich and the middle class who are becoming more divided from the rich. We have to Work Together, america is strongest when we believe in one another and theres a sense of fairness in our country. Thats what we need to achieve. Governor kasich, more to the question about the governor, what are your positions with senator corcoran. This is how important i think all this is. I dont ask his boat. No, i dont get any sense. Well see what happens when the card goes in the box or however they vote in the senate. You said that there needs to be bipartisan positions to this, the democrats said the only way theyre going to get to the table is if republicans take repealing obamacare off the table, does that mean you are not in favor of repealing obama care . Ive always been in favor of bringing changes to Health Care System that works. Heres the thing. Whats half of the republicans is for seven years they run around bashing obamacare and there the dog caught the car. Now they dont know what to do. They got 23 million americans who lose Health Insurance and they think thats great, thats good Public Policy . Are you kidding me . Why dont we have those folds go and live under a healthcare, under medicaid for a while . Why dont we have been live under an exchange where they can get to her free three 4000 a year to cover their cost . All this rhetoric, i had a democrat call me yesterday who says we killed the bill. I said language matters, dont stop in peoples face. Dont talk about are we killing or replacing, getting done. Getting a room and figure out how we can bring the needed changes because theres nobody i know, no responsible public official or Health Advocate who doesnt think we need changes to this. The exchanges are in trouble. A lot of the reason theyre in trouble is because theres somuch uncertainty , because they dont have a healthy pool and all those other things. Those can be fixed but you dont have to say were going to throw everything out, maybe you start over, i dont know. My view would be i would rather like to fix this senate bill and get the democrats working, thats what i would like to do. And in terms of kasich says this, i guess im not taking the bait. Yes sir, right here. Some democrats have thought come forward to negotiate and republicans in the full house and the white house. Why is it incumbent on the democrats to come forward and not therepublicans . Look, we have a healthcare civil war going on. Its all about recrimination. Obama slammed everything through and we were included so how dare they and now here we are and we dont have to listen to them. Its all parties, of course i want republicans to stand up. You dont know how many hours i spent , my staff has spent trying to get people to sign on to a simple letter. Its a couple weeks ago. Ive been here, i thought to rob 1 million times. He knows what my concerns are and i told him if they hand you a few billion dollars on opiates, opioids, repealing Medicaid Expansion, thats 4 billion a year. Thats a sit in the ocean and everything in america is not just its critical, not just about opioids, what about Mental Illness . I happen to think in the essential Health Benefit package, i think there should be protection to give flexibility to the states but there should be protection for services for the mentally ill who been ignored or as long as ive been alive and for those who are distant, not just the drugs any addiction. There ought to be some guardrails around that. I think the republicans ought to say we welcomed the democrats in. Have the democrats say that and if republicans say were not going to cooperate, ill be the first one to talk about that and criticize it. But lets get both sides moving forward and see where we are and lets stop all this, were in the fifth grade. Were actually in the congress of the united states, not in the fifth grade. What did sally say about you . You know . Thats gone out the window. Even my girls dont even do that. Or boys for that matter. Youre not in the fifth grade. Joy took my skateboard, they dont have skateboards anymore. Took my smart phone, okay . Plainly you both have beset with flash from this obamacare but are there any things that you agree on that should go into a bill that would represent an improvement on medicare . The new bill, trumpcare, whatever would be better than obamacare. And please dont say we are better. I would say basic math. You cant take all the resources away without doing terrible damage to everybody in this country. Basic math, you can hold seven or 800 billion in cuts and expect them to survive in any sense of capability. In terms of what we agree on, i think in terms of essential Health Benefits being wiped out, governor kasich just talked about that help people with addictions, addressing basic things like screening or millions of people would disappear. We know that the screening, i have a sister who through basic screening found that she had a tumor. Got it out. She has a high probability of a happy life. If you dont have screenings, you dont have that basic medical home where you go in and you got a little discomfort. You get it checked. Then there thatgets so much worse , the survival rate just goes in the toilet. So i think you go down a list of stuff we agree on but thats a good place to start is just as basic fundamentals of good health coverage. There is not everything, look, i was the first one to advance the idea of and over time with flexibility, a phaseout of the enhanced math down to the regular state match. Why did i say that . These people like kasich selling out, i told my guys let them say what they want. Why do i say that . Because at some point they have to assume this responsibility in the senate has as best i can tell on its face, im not sure how it works, why am i concerned about this . I talked to john about this. Because the federal government is running at that level lxxx percent of our gdp. When you get to 100 percent, you can forget it. Look at great britain, japan. So at some point we have to deal with the debt and so i think what the set did on the phaseout makes sense, i dont know how it works but it makes sense. The idea that we should have flexibility on the essential Health Benefits, that makes sense on medicaid and also on the exchange but when i mentioned guardrails i think theres some things to be mandated but more flexibility area i like what the senate did in terms of getting the federal government out of the Insurance Business with the ratios, is that 31 greg or 5 to 1 . I think thats a good thing. There are things that they done in here that are good. I happen to believe you can have medicaid up to 100 percent rather than 138. As been discussed and move things over on the exchange. The idea that you can have a per capita or a block grant as well as his long funded, i support that. Theres many things, you know what its down to . The resources. You dont have the resources, if you have a beautiful car but you dont have any gas, it wont go or you dont have the electricity, will go, the problem is the resources have been significantly cut and they need to remain in my understanding is , you have to ask them but i think senator portman had an amendment you wanted to get through that would have left the revenues in place for a period of time to get this thing stabilized. Its probably dead. I remember talking to Lamar Alexander and i said you cant get rid of all these resources, this was months ago so our power you going to have the dollars to fund the bank . There are ways to get this done, i believe in all of it is not bad but the fundamental aspect of the amount of resources to run the system are simply not there. And it has to be fixed. By the way, we need to guarantee all americans the preexisting conditions will never result in them losing Health Insurance. Theres nobody that doesnt agree with that, if theres somewhere i dont know where they are because ive never met them. Thank you for allowing us to be here and lets see where it all goes. Thank you. [inaudible conversation] our capitol hill producer Shannon Augustus with a photo of the republican senators meeting at this hour the white house, some of them there anyway including senators graham, corker and lee. The meeting getting underway at the white house has republicans deciding today to postpone consideration of their Health Care Law replacement bill until after the july 4 recess. The senate itself has recessed at least until 420 or so, we expect them to gather back in shortly and will have live coverage when they return here on cspan2 and reporting this afternoon on the republicans decision, the New York Times saying this deals President Trump and embarrassing setback on a key part of his agenda, the wall street journal recording gop leaders were short of the votes needed for a clear procedural hurdle and are still engaged in complicated negotiations to get the holdouts on board. We will continue to cover the story and keep you posted and live coverage of the senate momentarily here on cspan2. Live sunday at noon, author, journalist and history professor her boy is our guest on tvs indepth. I often draw parallels between detroit and new york in the book. You look at the 1863 draft riots, theres a nice contrast, a nice comparison between what was happening in in new york and what was happening in detroit. 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Last few days have proven once again that political change in america doesnt start in washington, d. C. , and then trickle down. Its from the bottom up. Because millions