Pennsylvanias 16th district. [inaudible inaudible] moderator this debate will consist of three rounds. For more information on the rules please visit atlantapressclub. Org. One question will be posed to one candidate and the other is posed for two candidates. Walter you get infirst. Mr. Barrow, what is the correct percentage of voting with your Democratic Party and you said independence is what is important to you is not towing the line of either party but how can voters be asure of that as long as there is no d behind your name . Barrow you can cherry pick the statistics and say anything. When my opponent says i vote with obama 85 of the time he is counting some rears and not other years. That is why most people know this is meaningless. I oppose gun control, and health care and that is why the chamber of commerce and the national ri ruef Rifle Association is endorsing me. They know what he is saying about why record isnt through. Allen i would like to respond . We cannot rebut . Mr. Allen, tell us what you think about what mr. Barrow said about this voting record. Allen what we referring to was a letter that he wrote two years ago and told his supporters he voted with the president 85 of the time. So i dont understand why you would write a letter telling your voters you will voted with the president 85 of the time but then this cycle you tell something totally different. I could tell you this. I am not be voting for the president. Moderator Meredith Anderson it is your turn to ask a question. And you get to ask both candidates. A lot of your voters are viewers of my show and i want to put out to the people who will be voting for either one of you, what do you want asked and the whopping majority wanted to know about the ads. They say negative, negative, negative. Why . And they wanted both of you to respond. Moderator john barrow you go first. Barrow the ads talk about what i accomplished. But my opponent who is a business man, his sole qualification for office, so people have concern when you made a fortune off people who are spending taxpayers money. And some of the contracts were set aside because they were entered into illegally. Everything people question ability the Public Record he wants people to take their word. Whatever they say about my record is false. I am not buying it is i dont think anyone else is either. Moderator rick allen, you can respond about negative ads. Allen there is reasons obama and nancy pelosi are out there spending almost 7 million trying to trash my business. The Biggest Issue isnt ads. It is jobs, the economy and the deficit. If that is the Biggest Issue would you try to take down a Small Business . We are one of the most trusted businesses in the country. I am very proud of the business. I am very proud of this fact. They havent been able to find one owner, employee or subtra subtractor to put on tv. And furthermore the ad he is talking about we never did that jail project. The one he is talking about the lawsuit on. The low bidder was allowed job. It is a total lie and i am sick of it. All of it is a bunch of lies and we know why they are doing it. They want to keep their boy in washington. Moderator the candidates get to ask a question, 30 seconds to respond and 60 seconds for a rebuttal. Rick allen you lead it off. Allen you are a harvard educated attorney and you talk a good game and confuse me a lot even. You have been in congress for a decade and in the decade the budget of the country has doubled. The deficit has more than doubled. We have all kinds of security issues. You cannot keep your doctor, you cant keep your Health Care Plan moderator real quick question. Allen i would like you to say when you will go to work. Barrow congress has no incentives to pass bills that go anywhere. That is why i support real no budget no pay and legislation that prevents congress from being paid unless they do their job and that is enact fiscal spending. Automatic pilot takes the deficit pile up. That is why i support real budget, no pay. They havent happened because there is too many people luke me. It is because of too few people like me. No one thinks congress is on this path because there are too many bipartisan folks it is because they have too many folks like my opponent. Moderator mr. Allen, your rebuttal . Allen the no budget no pay is politics as usual. We had our own no budgetno pay bill and your opponent voted against that bill. So there is a terrible lack of consistency there. And that is disturbing. But further more, these are real issues. The jobs, the economy and this deficit. There are folks having a difficult timeout there and they want a congressman who grows the economy and gets it done. Moderator mr. Barrow it is your time. Your ad says i voted against the no pay and my question to you is direct and simple would you have voted for the no budget no pay law you criticized me for . Allen i would have voted yes. Barrow that bill allowed congress to not adopt a budget, let them get paid and allow the debt ceiling increased. You just endorsed a bill to raise the debt ceiling without anything to show for it. We need members of congress who are paying attention and not playing games and independent enough to do what is in the best interest of the district. Moderator this is the debate for georgias 12th congressional round. We will go to the third round where the panelist question the members until we run out of time. My question is for congressman barrow and this is from david in agusta. With the poll showing 75 of americans support term limit for the house and senate why are you running again . Barrow i believe in term limits but i believe in the term limits are founders gave us. They will not solve the real problems. Congress isnt as unrepresented as it is because too many folks are elected from the same place. They do a good job representing our district but it is their district that doesnt do a good job. This is why i support redistricting reform. We will have people look at the National Interest locally and locally when they deal nationally. We need have a system where the people chose the leaders rather than the politicians choosing the voters and nothing solves the problems with the house of representatives until we do that. Moderator walter jones it is your turn. Mr. Allen, your opponent was organized by a Muslim Center and you refused to participate in that venue. Does that portray a religious bias on your part . Allen no, we never refused to participate in that debate. But you refused to participate in that location. Allen nothing from my mouth or campaign refused to debate john barrow any time. Why didnt it happen at the Islamic Center . Allen we got a call saying we are moving it and Steve Crawford said he wasnt going to be part of the debate and we said what do we do now and they said it is going to be at the Columbia County and i said okay we will be there. Moderator michele worth it is your time. Mr. Barrow, you are on record saying you will appeal parts of the Affordable Care act. When parts and how would you approve the law . Barrow lots of ways. There have been more than 50 votes to appeal bits and pieces and i voted to repeal half of them. I want to repeal the parts that are not working and keep the parts that are. I believe we should end the employer and individual mandate and the cuts to medicare advantage. I voted to repeal already or endorsed to appeal. The parts i want to keep are the ban on preexisting conditions. I dont think we should go back to the days when people were discriminated against on such. I will support a reform of the bill. That has been my policy all along and hasnt change. Mike wants to know what you would do to help veterans . Allen we had a very strong Veterans Committee in the district. In fact, i spoke at the Veterans Convention in macon on saturday morning. We talked about the issues facing them. I have been down and had a briefing at the agusta location and the dublin location. The problems there could be fixed. They need a certain amount of a autonomy to operate. We need to give the veterans every option for good care because our government has the priority system upside down. Moderator walter jones your turn. Congressman barrow, it letter was sent out saying if you dont vote there is another ferguson incident in georgia and a lot of people said that was a blatant race card play. What is your feeling about that and do you agree with that mailer . Barrow i absolutely dont. I am disgusted by its tone. I dont condone this. I know how to talk to folks to bring people together. I feel like i had the ability to bring folks together. That is what it is needed. You cannot do unless it is a pip fashion. I dont approve or condone it. Moderator michele worth your turn. Mr. Allen, your candidate said he can work along party lines. Are you willing to do the same . And what issues can you work with democrats on . Allen we know what works. We know how to grow the economy. We know what worked in the past. I believe we need to be ideadriven. If we are ideal driven we can solve the problems in the country. Let me tell you what is happening in washington as far as bipartisan. There are 372 bills on harry reids desk and these are energy bills and such stopped at the senate level. Harry reid is a member of the Democratic Party. John barrows party and he has no influence or he would be getting something done. Moderator your turn. What is your position on marriage quality . I believe it is between a man and woman but at the time same i go to Ronald Reagan who doesnt believe in discrippmination against anyone. I think it is the governors obligation to accommodate itself to the Faith Community not the other way around. I know it puts me at odds with a lot of democrats but i believe it is my job to tell you what i can. Moderator walter jones, another question from you. Mr. Allen, you have put about a Million Dollars of your own money into this campaign. Some observers might say couldnt that benefit the district more if you would given it to a food shelter or even your church instead of what looks like sort of an ego trip . Allen let me tell you about that. That is a great question, w walter. I have worked out in the community. We are solving lots of Community Problems with the united way, Christ Community services and heritage school. But i found out we cannot solve the problems in the community as fast as washington is creating them. So you know, i sociology believed we have to go to the root of the problem. We have to stop the government from creating the problems we know how to solve in the local community. Moderator michele worth another question for you. Mr. Barrow, where should we cut the budget . Barrow we should get the budget in balance and eliminate things we are not using. I also think that we need tax reform of the kind that is recommended in the simpson bowls commission. They have pointed out if we had tax reform and everybody paying the same rates we could lower the rates for everyone that is one of i support. And we have work hard to make sure the regulators, even the executive branch or independent agencies are not smothering businesses with high cost low beneficial regulations. We need to make sure job creators are not being smothered. My question is for mr. Allen and this comes from andrea. He wants to know what your views are on gun control, concealed carry. Allen i believe in the second amendment. I am a lifetime member of the nra and i believe in concealed carry. As citizens we must protect yourselvyour our sefblgz ourselves and i would work to protect the second ame amendment. I would like to talk about the adds. I would like to hear you talk about one that is produced supporting you making a claim that you dont stand by. Start with you mr. Barrow. Barrow i said i dont approve of the content of any of the messages i have not put out but i cannot say i distance myself from the concerns about my opponents business record. I dont know the message all of the other folks are saying. I am responsible for the messages i put out and i say i approve this message. And i can say and you can verify the messages i put out are about what i stand for and accomplished. I think that is the way it ought to be. If we didnt have the outside funding it would be clearer who is running a positive campaign and who is not. After two months of solid bashing from my opponent, i had not mentioned my opponent once in a single ad. That is the Gold Standard of a positive campaign. Moderator mr. Allen . Allen it is pinning one against the other. As far as the ad that basically was run the fact is john barrow only got one bill through the senate and that is to rename a post office. Moderator that is all of the time we have for questions. Candidates have 60 seconds for a closing statement and rick allen gets the first statement. Allen thank you for having us. It has been a great time to talk about the issues. I want to leave the voters with this and this only. Let me tell you, on november 4th, you have a big discussion to make. If you like the direction of the country. If you like what is going on in country vote for my opponent. If you want change, job growth, grow the economy, vote for rick allen on november 4th. Thank you very much. Moderator john barrow you may give your closing remarks. Barrow as my time in congress i have shown i can work in a bipartisan manner and come up with solutions. I have been labelled the most bipartisan member of congress and as far as this choice is concerned i think the last thing we need to do is replace one of the most bipartisan members one of the most partisan candidates around. I believe in creating jobs, accountability and accessibility, but if you want a congressman who is voting for you and putting your interest before either party in washington, i ask for your vote and i am proud to have your support. Moderator we would like to remind all voters the general election is held tuesday november 4th and early voting is underway. Our thanks to the candidates and panelist tonight. Great question from the journalist and i would like to thank the Atlanta Press club. This debate is going to be archived and it will be available at gpb. Org. The young debate series is made possible by a donation from r charles ladder more. Tay with us for candidates among the United States senate. I am brad means and thanks for joining us for the Atlanta Press club young debate series. In georgias race, three people are on the ballot. Here are some of the tv ads on the air in georgia. He came into office with millions in personal debt and now he is worth millions. He sold his salvage yard for a company that owes the state 74 million in back taxes. And the middle class has fallen further behind. Nathan deal, putting money in his pocket not ours. Jason carter has big ambitions but the promises are falling short of the truth. He claims to be for education and the middle class but jason carters plan would cap and restrict middle class access to the hope scholarship and increases spending 12. 5 billion requires higher taxes on smaller businesses and the middle class. Jason carter, falling short and dishonest and untrustworthy. We dated for five years and then after five years he had our first son henry and then thomas. It has been the adventure of our lives. He is the best dad. 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