With aristotle of saint john are st. Agusta and. To be classically educated in a very new for. So america against hitler we thought of america as something separate and to keep those ideologies down. Even those good ideologies. And dehumanizing and some level. So the conservative mind is truly that. For what has come before in 2016 it was pretty revolutionary he was not catholic at this point would become much better on. Talk about the dignity of a human person with the atf community and they had been forgotten and more equal to fascism with a onetoone correspondence with the american way of life it would be trump all of that. With the it is be accessible . They were that is one of the reasons it is lost to was now but he was a household name in the 1950s one of my favorite stories is that in august 1953 he wanted to meet t. S. Eliot he was having his play performed for the first time and while he was there are you the dr. Russell kirk . And he was absolutely flabbergasted that anybody would know him like that. What that tells us quite a bit he was on cbs then to be interviewed on the radio as a regular syndicated column. So people knew him through as well. One interesting thing is he also wrote short stories and for fiction in a lot of people that he had no idea he was also the kirk of the conservative mind so he had a strange audience from the 50s and 60s. Was added good seller greg. Is a weird. Not 10 a gentle way but they are brutal. It is sent accidental they are antidemonic this isnt just a dose story they are very involved and complicated in the way that stephen king would be today. Were talking to a professor of history and author of this book russell kirk american conservative. 1951 from buckley. What about the publication dates of those books quick. 1953 was an interesting year for conservatives. But one of the great social philosophers publisher that year was a great Standard Book in became that the other books k. Mount that year fahrenheit 451 came out also all of these boxes and kirk was the most important in to be accessible to all kinds of people. And it was perhaps a less. And leading everything up to that point. But it was all liberalism. So all that was happening. But in politics or strauss from 1953. Was the conservative movement in Actual Movement at that time . That is a great question and it is hard to answer because if it was it was one of the most decentralized in history. Through the Goldwater Campaign a 64. That that was unified things intellectually but with the organization but that is not what he was a good at. But goldwater was really in the background of the National Guard with his look by any means with a chiseled face with the uh coalition of the conservatives. In the late 50s. If there was a movement it took five or six years to call last. To start off as the anti Political Movement and politicized as well as political. Russell kirk handley enough buckley were friends are competitors quick. Both. Buckley even though he is catholic. He was as blue blood as it could be for the 1950s. That was antithesis of that. The spiritualized in all the untraveled into the east where the buckleys with the connections with the kennedys. But because the is to be impersonality but he knew that he had to have kirk on board so he went out in the early 1950s i think 1955 that they met at a bar not too far from kirks house and it was there that they formulated what National Review would be. Kirkwood extremely the ball headed. He did not want to be on the masthead that is so esoteric now but the number of the people that buckley were with were excommunist and he did not trust. And did not associate with them. And in number of these people so he was okay with them doing this. With them together there was that little part it was a little odd. But in terms of modern technology to hate the phone he did not like a did not answer it for him it was a creation like Alexander Graham bell. But he had no problem to carry his typewriter and at what point do we say it is not everywhere he went . To have the privilege of going through his letters to be one atom of 1,000 . So there were certain technologies and others that he accepted no question about that. So it comes out of the time. With the rise of the Roman Republic that the world is hell you just have to except pain and suffering and how much you want to get into this where he fell into a river once and he thought it was his time with and let himself sent to the bottom. And all of his life he had no fear of death. To find that it was cultivated it was inherent in the personality. It was very hot blooded generally just a very cold and not a lot of emotion. And that is the stoicism. From the earliest days to keep this into perspective sciencefiction wasnt barely above trash or pornography almost resold by small york publishers back and they would have with the Science Fiction stories. That was pretty nasty stuff. It was sold at drugstores even with the c. S. Lewis the greatest apologist of the 20thcentury he lost a lot of people pdf he was 14 with satanism occurred from the very beginning had no problem with that. And a lot of these figures is still low marginal. In that was the step worse than Science Fiction at the time. To seen something as mark twain. Thats you find that part of the drug store. And at that time with mainstream media. And obviously by the 60s it has taken off. And going into a barnes noble that would not have benefits is the make you think he wouldnt be he hated technology. No problem with the trade or flying. But he always made students drive to the airport which is even from grand rapids the students would have to drive and bring him back in the 22 1 2 hours that could be five hours for somebody to lecture that would be quite a burden plus the student would have to come back. He traveled everywhere the huge part of his unconscious came to colleges to speak so half of the year he is traveling until his health was too bad that he had a number of press positions at prestigious places but like the university of chicago at least three times offered him muffled tenured professor ship and he said no. What if they say no . I dont think there is such a thing. It is a proper type fault the negative title and that is something we also think of conservatism. It is against mass culture this is like jack kerouac a very conservative man with his own politics and his own views. And most conservatives were worried about the mass homogenization of america. And comes up that tradition and uses the term individualism. And that was a lot of tradition and he very much embraces that that he carried swords did. And he always wears the three piece. Wearing a tweed 3p san fedora and he is a bizarre and quirky figure. To fit into the american mold. To be clear in the book that he would never measure up to those stereotypes. I think most Young Conservatives in then back as back to the other question i dont think kirkwood but his understanding that is a deeply humane understanding that peter should be peter the best from what god meant for you to beat and my job as a teacher or friend or professor or father my job is to bring that unique gift to you not to conform rubio so with a lot of little kirks he wants them to be themselves that conservatism of the 50s is beautiful he didnt want people to be like tim. To be eccentric and individual that is part of that anticonformist streak. What would reso kirk reaction be in 2017 . You will get me in trouble with this question. [laughter] he would be aghast. Good discussion as well redoing not a sound bite or a graphic to prop up the can speak more loudly than the and the person that they would find a point. He is not the ideologue. And is one of the good friends. And the ada to decide something in a moment but that isnt kirk that we just lost mclaughlin. And to think about how he had the panel. And to interrupt them they had this type of discussion to be playful with one another but in the end you can imagine to have the beer or a drink and that this hard to imagines. Not to get anyone in trouble but when Masoud George on the already factor it was disheartening. It is so bitter. Led he is a better man than that. So i cannot sit here to demonize you. So that commonality anyone can negative another person. So the strength of the opponents argument and that was the nature to pull the best. Was the isolationist . With Foreign Policy very suspicious about any mission abroad. At least for a while did not think world war ii he thought that was a good war. That the nazis could be defeated without warfare. And bitter isnt quite the right word and believed what reagan had done was perfectly fine so that is the whole point of having a huge military. With bush using the army in spent the last three years of his life with a full generation he thought was extremely antireagan. So what does that Lasting Impact . And debated to but this at the beginning or the end but they figure he will be remembered fully or totally forgotten. He is not an original for preserving great things he would be fine if he played the role to make us remember he would be totally fine with that. In this is hell ended the book i thought of vice started with this number will take seriously. Never in my life than countered any person and i never encountered anyone of Mother Teresa or john paul the second. And that really hit me. And to grow up in poverty. And also in poverty not in a false the logical way to hold onto that and did not spend that. It was no different than having a meal. It was not a means to win and as early as the of 1950s there raise he would live on a pita butter sandwich there that port he would immigrants who are breaking him to put the money into the envelope to send off the first novel was a near times bestseller. He went to 17 printings and when he died he was basically broke p. Was indeed financial manager that is clear. And that is responsible but at the same time they would help anybody. So one of my closest friends that curt paid for him and his family to get out of yugoslavia. Did know where to listen with a live with the kirks. To have told the ethiopians at the same time. If they needed shelter they can give with that kirk says long as they needed. If you ask the greatest legacy that is his charity. View has endowed the chair . In doubt by a family in the number of other donors. University of boulders during the summer in the 70s and 80s allot of money in colorado that was very gracious of them. Thanks for your time website to n on the of weekend it is authors. Watching the nonfiction authors on booktv is for serious readers. To delve into the subject to bring officer after author after author of fascinating people. Book tbn cspan fan we have some great stuff coming up in october look at the event calendar. Tonight were excited to hosted this event. It will be moderated by Candace Morgan who is of a coordinator sponsored by the Organ Library association with the intellectual freedom committee. They do have books if you like to have a book signed a would be happy to sign one in then audience q a as well