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like to give you a look at. let's talk about the philosophy of what risk-based secure city. so in a world of limited resource want effort behind risks based secure is about most effective in the most efficient way. with the development of programs, policy, and plans is everything that we're doing should do three things. does it improve security? create efficiency in the system, and reduce the burden on operationers? if the niche fives we're working on today in the risk-based security construct don't do one of the three things we're not doing something right. as we talked through some of the initiatives through precheck and known crewmember, international inbound and screening and general aviation you see the policy programs align with the three priorities. talk first about known crewmember. this is a great success story in partnership particularly with the friends of alpa and airlines for america as captain eissler talked a few moments ago in 2008 we started with three locations we have grown the program significantly past the pilot phase. and now we're sitting with 18 location here in the month of august this year. and we will be at 31 locations by november 1st. part of the principle behind known crewmember is taking look from the trust standpoint what's the level of trust and confidence with population based on additional security measures, background checks, intelligence reporting, security threat assessments do we have population in the screening environment that we can move away from a one size fits all and do more of a risk-based security so we don't as much physical security at the airport because of the prescreening and security validation we have before the individual arrived at the airport. obviously the first population that comes to mind those men and women trusted to fly the aircraft. we are committed to the known crewmember program for those that had the opportunity use it, i'm sure you have enjoyed the experience as i talked about from three priorities improving security, creating e efficiencies and reducing the burden of operators, we are doing all these of those through the known crewmember program. the way we're harnessing the power of the system and very fying day of departure, the eligibility, the photoand the currency of the crewmember processes through the check point is a level of security we have significantly improved through the old process through the check point. as i indicated we're going 20b at 31 locations by november 1st. the 31 locations represent the largest places in the country. we work with alpa and a for a as we push forward next year as we look air additional locations in 2013. we're exited about the opportunity to include flight attendants. you may have seen the announce want in the partnership with alpa and a4a. we're excited about bringing the flight attendants into the program as well. early this next year. let's talk about precheck. for those who have been traveling off company status or traveling through the purchase ticket process. you may have seen information about tsa precheck. it is the first big step, the first initiative from trying to get away from the one size fit all security process at the check point itself for the regular traveler. we are currently today at 21 locations across the country. 20th location was st. louis. our 11st location was earlier this week in indianapolis. we are on track to be at 35 locations of the nation's largest airports and travel markets by the end of the calendar year. what precheck is for those that are not familiar with this, this is a process in which customers are able to voluntarily become eligible for tsa precheck which is aned a advantagessed type security screening you're afforded the process to expee dieted screening. a dedicated lane when we validatedded the eligibility for precheck. the experience that those travelers self, enables them to leave the shoes on, their belt on, in those cases, light out ere garments and able to keep the liquids and electronics in the bag. for the folks who have used it to candidate, obviously a very strong positive feedback from customers as they use it. as we talk about security, we always talk about improving security, creating efficiencies in the system and reducing the burden on operators. one of the things we're trying to explain a little bit better is the amount of security question do from a value tear stand 0 point. if they are willing to share information about themselves before they travel we're doing that through the eligibility frequent flier programs now. we're doing through the u.s. member of the trusted travel program. if people are willing to share information about themselves, go through the process of becoming a trusted traveler program holder we should be able to leverage that level of trust and confidence on the folks through a prescreening process when they get to the airport we're not doing as many physical screenings things we would have in the screening process. we're excited about the continued partnership with the airlines, c we are looking to continue expand the program. but we're very excited about the opportunity this will give us at the check point long-term from an efficiency substantiate point reprogram some of our staff equipment, and procedures toward some of the locations of the check point that perhaps we want to look more for. i mentioned that we're going to be at 35 locations by the end of the calendar year, that is through a partnership with five major u.s. airlines that's american, delta, united u.s. airways and alaska airlines. we're looking for 2013 to have the at least two additional carrier join the program. as we talked about risk-based security we're talking about moving away from the one size fits all. we've talked about precheck and known crewmember. these are ways to get population of people that we have higher trust and confidence with because of information that they have volunteered, or information that we have on file already out of the regular screening process and put them through an expedited security process because the amount of verification. some other programs and initiatives that we have taken underway is part of the risk-based security construct we have made modification for the summer for schirn under 12. screening related procedural changes to facility at a time children under 12. and adults over 75. screening modification at the check point. all of this ties together that is as we head toward 2013, we want to be able to start to intersect the risk-based security initiatives we're able to generate back some of the efficiencies in the system. i'll talk briefly about international air cargo. we seem to talk a lot about things at the airport. the coordination and collaboration with a4a, the u.s. airlines friended at cvp. one of the things we've, look the at is risk-based security model into the international air cargo environment. much like we're doing with tsa precheck, our ability to know about shippers to know about packages and have levels of trust with nose who do business regularly with cvp and the carriers we're looking at construct for international inbound cargo those shippers who volunteer information about themselves who participate in the programs who share information regularly that have good account standing, with we're able to use different screening protocols and measure with those shipping partners and those forwarders than we would for someone perhaps the shipping personal goods. the construct of improving security cascades over into some of the other programs probably be talking about that later in the panel. i want to paint a picture for you that regardless of the mode of electronics that tsa is partnering with or regardless of the population whether it's a package or process or whether it's a person, our ability to get information about things in advance in a voluntary compliance fashion to allows to make good intelligence driven risk base decision before the screening process begins that's the target for us to be more effective and efficient security agency. thank you for your time. i'll be standing by at the end for questions. thanks very much. [applause] good morning. my name is elizabeth shaver and i work for airlines for america. we are a trade association that represents u.s. carriers. we have carry 0eu% of the u.s. cargo and passenger traffic in the world today. and i should a presentation coming up here shortly. here we go. so i'd like to take a couple of minutes at first to talk about the role of air cargo today. a lot only 1% of the weight of the cargo is carried by aircraft it representatives 35% of the value of the shipments transported. 424 billion worth of goods left the u.s. by air last year. that's over 100 times the value of kilo left by ocean and one often overlooked aspect of cargo is the support it provides to passenger carriers. in 2012, which is a year when the profitability fell to 0.2%. from 2.2% the previous year. 21% of passenger airline revenue came from cargo. without cargo in the picture they would be facing increased economic pressure most likely to result in higher fares and reduce route offerings. looking at types of product that travel by air, it's the high value goods. so it's par shishbles the flowers you buy, the strawberries you get in the grocery store in december, the alaska salmon. live animals, emergency parts for repair aircraft and factory equipment and medical and pharmaceuticals and live human organ finance plays a key role in loggisticses providing access to the markets. compared to an 30 day transit time by ship. turning to security specifically as already been mentioned i by several of my colleagues up here. we have made significant progress in the past decade in securing the air cargo chain. access control, background vetting, distinguishing known training parties, improved screening. and expanding oversight of the u.s. supply chain. approaches to more risk-based outcomes focused intelligence projects. one that are able to respond more quickly to emerging threats and sufficiently flexible to allow them to be implemented operationally on earth. i would like to talk specifically about one of the initiatives that already been mentioned the air cargo advanced screening. it provides a considerable improvement to supply chain security and done so extremely efficiency by utilizing existing systems and process in the industry. this slide describes the existing system of today. mandated by the 2002 trade ability all air carriers are required to report the details of shipments they transport to the united states. via the air automated manifest system. it must be delivered to the system four hours prior to ariewfl in the u.s.a. it's fed into the targeted system which purchases a risk analysis of the shipment. one is known derogatory information about the data being transmitted involving shipper information, information and shipment itself. second is developing threats strains and third is the ability of the system to crunch huge amounts of international trade data to be able to identify a shipment and tag them. when they're tagged by them the importing carrier must hold the shipment for inspection. the yemen incident in 2010 getting the information four hours prior was not early enough. we wanted it preloading. it was made by tsa to the u.s. department -- the u.s. senate homeland security committee in testimony in november of 2010 shortly after the yemen incident. industry and government immediately began working together to figure out a way to get the predeparture data. what has been done is an extra step has been tack order the front. it is delivered as early as possible into the system before it is known which flight it will travel on and before it is known what flight it will travel on. and ships that require additional screening disiew to the characteristic or additional data are tagged. they work with the party in possession of the shipment in order to clear the hold before low loading into a u.s.-bound flight. one of the beauties of a calf i'm sure you're aware there's a continuing dialogue in the industry about what security should apply to passenger air cast what should apply to all cargo aircraft. the debate is always ongoing but they cut across all of that debate and eliminates the question. it applies to every shipment that travels into the u.s. it's a voluntary pilot program we expect it to be mandatory within a year or two. all cargo regardless what kind of aircraft will be screened in the fashion. shifting gears to look at it in a bigger picture. we're primarily interested in securing the global supply chain. for two main reasons. first, american crews, passengers, cargo and physicalss a -- they're found on flights throughout the world. it's great that we have secured our flights for example from frankfurt to chicago. we prefer that all of our flights be secured including the connecting flight from dubai to frankfurt. achieving that requires we're able to extend robust security standards beyond the last point of standards. the transportation security administration. second supply chain and air carriers are lang in the chain but not only link. we're one of the most compliant links of the chain. we value regulatory compliance in ensuring the safety of the aircraft. it doesn't mean there are other trust worthy partners with can leverage to push the robust security standards even further out into the world well beyond that last flight into the u.s. in fact, for air carrier west prefer we secure the shipment prior to arriving at the first airport of departure. the surest way to keep suspicious packages off aircraft is make sure they don't get into the air post warehouse in the place. these is a rogue slide. we'll be skipping it. how it fits into the global supply chain picture enhancg screening based on the advanced data. the they targeting with return a screening result back to the origin station allowing the earliest are trusted party in the supply chain to purchase the necessary scrooning or additional more to ensure it's not a threat. screened and cleared it travel through a secured supply chain to destination. it is -- what is key that is that we would avoid the need to rescreen the shipment along the supply chain hub. this is the case today. it is the key goal of the air crarriers. it involves breaking down and opening what were previously secure palates. -- pal palestinn one thing that has been moted multiple time is the it has been a game change netter way it's been implemented. air carriers have been transmating data for twent months. of a mid night on august 7 -- and all of this has been accomplished with no regulatory mandate. all participation is clotly voluntary. when they began with the first transmission in e ten no imagine how successful it would be and how many participate it is would attract. because it's been designed carriers it's not burdensome for carriers to implement and makes attractive therefore for them to participate and get the huge security benefit it is provides for the aircraft. at the heard of the success is it thinks outside the box. it's willing to try out various options for different business model toss see which works best via experimentation and em bier kl evidence. into a remarkable degree all parties come to the table with preconceived notion how things should be and putting everything on table for open discussion and testing. we think it's an ideal model for security development in the future. industry should be engaged at beginning stages in order leverage our expertize to ensure that regulators have a full understanding of the full picture what they're attempting to regulate. and toker in that operation workable systems are implemented that trade patter in will be happy to implement as opposed to resists. we have to work together to use our smarts to leverage our resources and get maximum creativity in order defeat those who do us harm. the evil doughers we've been talking about today. look at picture there's been tremendous progress. starting from the bottom industry participation in the initiative has shown how this industry engagement doesn't just benefit industry it benefits the regulators and results in positive security outcomes. putting in place more formal structures toker ensure this sort of government takes place on a regular basis can only help in the future. in the middle of the slide, great progress has been made within governments to ensure customs authority and security authorities are working together to harmonize their programs when they go out to industry. and individual government are also working more closely with each other to align their security requirements to ensure their robust enough so they can futureically recognize the programs. and at international level, standard setting body of ak orb and are working closely to harmonize their security related program and even planning on issuing harmonized guidance to countries on how to implement a customs/security program that does not overlapping requirements and functions efficiency. on that positive note, i would like to thank you for the attention and for the chance to speak today. thank you. [applause] good morning. i'd like to thank captain for having us here today. let get it started. u.s. customs and border protection was created with the homeland security by merging u.s. custom service, u.s. the inspection division of the immigration natchization service and the border division of the u.s. democrat of agricultural. it is created an agency that has multifaceted role, and all these roles are based on almost wholly on a approach and strategy to securing the border. our primary mission is to prevent terrorist in the weapons from entering the united states while facilitating legitimate trade and travel and the entry of legitimate travelers and can gore into the united states. this is obviously two sides of a coin, it's a difficult task. one that is impossible without working with our partners at tsa and other agencies which i'll explain in a moment. there are 65,000 employees we have throw operational divisions. our air and marine division covers the skies and what more can you say about that to the group of pilots. border patrol agents protect and cvp work at the port of entry themselves. today i'm going to focus on what cbp officer are doing. they encounter them when you enter the united states. they are looking beyond the united states to see what's coming before it gets on board the aircraft. directly after the 9/11 attacks, then commissioner bonner of the custom service started a layer approach with the head of division starting with the maritime environment called the container security initiative. it was a successful program where we started police stationing cbp officers at sea ports of exit that had container ships come to the united states. that strategy was successful enough it involved into both the passenger an the compress cargo consignment air cargo arena and the programs which liz described. we use these in addition to other items of intelligence gathering such as the advanced passenger information system the flight manifest are transmitted electronically, and we take pnr data and place them into various data bases that allows us more efficiently target and cut down the numbers of people we have to inspect we go from 100% inspection of all passengers and cargo back to a more risk-based target approach. this allows us focus our efforts on the true people who are at the much higher risk for being an evil doer. we work with obviously multitude of agencies federal, local, and state, eye have listed some out here. tsa is a major part forker in. we work directly with them in airport and in the cargo arena. we really have two sort of structures for passenger and cargo both of which use the layered approach where we have information and officers outside the united states starting the process and looking -- liz mentioned the partnership it is a trade-based approach where trade partners and shippers, exports, carriers voluntarily partner with us and we send supply chain security specialist to the point of shipping and manufacturing and beyond, the joke is we go to where the grain is grown before it comes here to have it shipped to the united states and we look at how the security features how it is shipped, what routes the trucks take before they get to the ship so that we know where the aircraft we know what's getting on the mode of convey yens is going to be safe before it gets in the air. we do it by working working with international partners as well. again, we'll go through some of the systems we use in the layered approach. it is the corner stone how we do business for passengers it's the way we have a we know who is getting on the plane when they get on the plane. the electronic system for travel authorization is our way of knowing who is going to board the aircraft for non-u.s. citizens who are come together united states under the visa waiver program. when you're talking about passenger you have people that are not u.s. citizens who have a have visa or don't. there are certain country which can comes to the united states in a visa-free status with no visa or prior application. we didn't know who they were before they got on board of the aircraft. we had no way of vetting them. with the esta we do now have a way of vetting them before they event book their flight. the immigration advisory program where we take cbp officer and place them in foreign airports and they work directly with the foreign counter parts to help screen the flights as they get -- as passengers board but to take information we gain from pnr apis and other various data bases and transmitt it to other partners for action. the model ports initiative, it allows us have a more welcoming environment and facility the entry of passengers there out of the united states. we have preclearance locations throughout can did, the caribbean, ireland, preclarence it's been around since the 1950st and it's very effective and i think they are happy with it. .. this allows to us effectively stop the bad guys while affecting the injury of legitimate travelers and cargo. again, vetting people and things before they're put onboard your aircraft. that's the goal. we have to have continual vigilance. a 24/7 operation, and worldwide, and we have to -- the idea is to focus on enforcement efforts. you saw a lot of numbers as far as -- more 20,000 officers, 20,000 boarder parole agents, we still have to focus our efforts on where to be the most effective. this picture is the christmas day incident detroit on a delta aircraft. those are cdp officers. first responders, taking him off. that incident started us looking at before things get on the aircraft. it changed the way we look at security. now, we'll speak to global entry. it's in 27 locations. we now have 378,000 travelers enrolled. that number is probably low. we have a lot of people enrolling every day. the benefits to it, you get kiosk processing at most major airports in the united states now. this means you don't actually have to stand in line and wait for cbp processing. reduce wait time for screening, membership in global entry allows you a tsa precheck program at selected airports. it also gives the option of enrollment in department of state smart traveler program-it's easy to join and allows for secure vetting of applicants. we do a continue annual vetting process on global entry members so if there is a change in the risk status, they are referred for secondary inspection when they come through. so it's not a one-shot deal. we continually vet the names. to enrole it's simple. you start a process online but going to global entry.gov or cbp.gov. ridge register. the fee is $100 for a five-year term, and then on approval through the electronic system you'll be given an approval,ed and to schedule an appointment. the interview generally last 20 minutes and you are a member of global entry. we issue a global entry card but you don't need it. when you present your passport, the kiosk recognizes your a global entry member. global entry is open to all u.s. citizens, lawful permanent residents, and dutch citizens, korean citizens, mexican nationals, canadian citizens can use global entry but the foreign members right now, the dutch, koreans and mexicans, have to be members in their host country's programs. we have dual vetting system so we have good vetting on each member. as you can see there are more reasons why someone might be ineligible than nationalities that are ineligible. i won't go through all of them but there are obvious reasons one might become ineligible and other less than obvious reasons but obviously we do vetting on every circuit, not just for criminal issues, administrative issues but fortressed traveler purposes so we know who you are. you can use it at most major airports in the united states. we just added guam as well. so it's fairly widespread. we're expanding those airports every day. i want to thank all of you for your time, and happy to take any questions. thank you. [applause] >> i'd like to thank our panelist for such thought, provoking insights and presentations. i'd like to open up the floor to some questions. >> i'm mike bender. and i get to go through this all over the world. this is for doug. question for you on -- if we get out of this screen everybody philosophy, it's going to take an awful lot of guts to fight what is happening in our pc world. what is the biggest challenge in that. >> in the? >> is this on? >> yes. what world did you say? >> pc world, politically correct world. that's an awful lot of pushback and i'd like to hear your thoughts on that. >> sure. one of the principles of the program has been, as we started out in 2012, giving folks the opportunity to voluntarily submit information about themselves and volunteer information about themselves to the u.s. government before traveling. even the discussion about international inbound air cargo is a similar discussion because you have in a nonregulated environment, industry leaning forward with shippers and forders to verify and validate information ahead of time. the premise of the program is really about, if we have populations already vetted and trusted, or we have members of the traveling public that want to volunteer information about themselves or perhaps become a member of one of dshs trusted traveler programs, the best of the program is really about the low-risk traveler who has nothing to hide, not an terrorist watch list, who says i'm willing to subject to additional vetting as i travel. and more aspects of the program in 2013. we identified, frankly, additional populations beyond what we have today, that we think would be great candidates for tsa precheck and other programs. if you look at known crew member, it's a similar construct you. think about all the vetting and validation we have on uniformed crew member word active, that's a lot of proscreening and good security work that is done to validate who these people are, they're in good standing, not on any lists and they're at the time tuesday is checked like the cbp program, continually. so if there's any change in stat was, we have that. the program is really about individuals who are willing to share information about nexts with the government so they can achieve an expedited screen program and that helps us because we can program resources to higher risk targets or individuals. thanks for the question. >> good morning. this is a question for mr. hoffsas. in the past tsas approach was implemented from offices of security operations, intelligence and transportation sector network management which is involved in the current office of security policy and the industry engagement. you've recently been name to the associate administrator for risk-based security. can you explain how these other divisions integrate their efforts with respect to developing and implementing tsas risk-based approach? >> sure. so, i talked about the agencies transformation. for those who heard john yesterday talk about the transformation, this is an agency-wide transformation, goes across all of the operational and support elements. we are together as a senior leadership team finding a way to run a more efficient and more effective security agency. part of that talks through the process of, as we develop policies, procedures, programs, plans, even acquisitions, are the decisions we're making and are the programs and policies we're implementing going after those three founding principles i talked about? does it improve security in does it create efficiencies in the system and does it reduce the burden on the operators or traveling public? that's the tenant that all of us on the senior leadership team focus on. the role of the risk-based security office is really about leading a unified effort croat the -- effort across the agency for the transformation. those individuals working on policy, those individuals in operations, those procuring and installing technology, office of law enforcement, many of the support components are the implementers and operators of the design, and the design if we do policies, programs, operations and procurements with the mindset of creating efficiencies in the system and reducing the burden on operators of the traveling public, that's both to be the transformation of tsa away from a one size fits all security agency to an counter inter risk mitigating agency. >> sure. captain mike mars, the regional safety coordinator for airline pilots association. this question is for the group. as we all flight clue members in the cabin provide the last line of defense against terror activities in our aircraft. during recurrent training, little information regarding current specific events in our own fleets are passed along to us for review and discussion. such information in my opinion, would further enhance our ability to detect normal situations and abnormal passenger behavior. what can be done to inacross the amount of information given to us crew members regarding current specific threats encountered in our own aircraft fleets? >> bob? >> i'll handle part of that. i think we recognize -- we've been working hard to confront that issue. part of the way we do it is we have a web board now we try to post-information we can. obviously there's an issue with posting classified information versus unclass or official use only information. but i think we've been bringing some of the ceos into tsa for regular intelligence briefings and then when we have an actual event we have a different process that we work with -- guy back to the two cycle. a security event that we think is of national consequence, we have a method for broadcasting that to all planes in the air. so we work hard to confront that issue. some of the challenges with regard to the level of information we have passed but when we have events we work hard to get it out to everyone but these are the various method wes have established now. we're always working to try to improve the methods. >> anybody else? >> anybody to add? thank you, bob. >> thanks for the question. >> my name is james, i'm a national council. my question has to do with the -- can you give us an idea few complex of a program fams, because lately have seen fams added to the list at the last minute and it's obvious when they're calling people to the gate that we have additional people in first class but at the same time people are starting to pick up on we have federal air marshals on the aircraft. >> we changed -- in the last several years, we have change the evidence boarding process for federal air marshals. what you referred to -- what we all struggle with is we have what we think is a very complex and a good scheduling program, but we are also subject to the same vagueries you have with regard to the weather, delayed flights, short connection that are unforeseen. we always try to nil amp connection time for flights but sometimes that doesn't work for a variety of reasons. the basic foundation we have for our scheduling program, we have had several different external agencies look at that to see how we can improve it. we think we have a good program. we're always looking to tweak it. but the foundation is, we're subject the same issues most people are with regard to weather. that causes most of the delays you're talking about. when we have instance that are abnormalities we try to work with the carriers to fix that but that should be an exception to the rule generally. >> do you mind if i follow up? on the risk based idea, how are special events looked at and scheduled? sometimes i see air marshals on certain flights that are pretty common. like honestly d.c. is a common area. sometimes -- i mean, how far does risk base go into the idea of special events and how complex can that get for scheduling purposes. >> it is complex. we work with partner agencies with regard to scheduling special events, whether it's a national special security event, whole government structure look at the risk involved with that event and what resources are put to that event. so we work very closely with -- whether it's the fbi, partnerness the intelligence community and our own senior leadership team but there's a coordinated toast look at the specific events and the level of resources, and it's planned out. most special event are not surprises to us. so we are able to plan for that. so there's a great deal of forethought but into the level of resources that tsa puts in the even, not just the federal air marshal service. >> thank you very much. >> good morning. bob. i'm your safety coordinator for canada, and i'd like to congratulate all the agencies and members on the panel for the programs they do have in place right now, and expanding them to make it easier for the traveling public to access airplanes. both in the u.s. and for foreign people. canada included. but i would like to ask, and it's been asked on previous air safety forums in similar venues here -- we still do not have any sort of a cooperation with respect to the crew members for canadian carriers flying into u.s. airports, for u.s. carriers flying into canadian airports as far as the similar system to crew pass or cass or known crew member of any of these things. what's the status of that within the organization and that's -- -- in coordinating the cross-border operation that we can always use and reduce your work load even more. >> it's a great questions' something year working on. i'll tell you that the -- for this year, certainly, known crew member will be a domestic program with u.s. carriers. pilots and flight attendants will be users of that system, of u.s. carriers. as you look at partnerships, talk about canada, since you brought it up. there's some great initiatives underway across the border right now, particularly with checked baggage screening, other preclearance program, the partnership with cbp and canadian customs and nexus as that comes under the global entry umbrella. we're making a fair amount of progress, good amount of progress this year, on starting to look at how those programs harmonize and the similarities between the programs. we have begun some preliminary conversations with industry in some of our foreign partners as we look toward 2013, about operable levels of security for crew, for employee. one of the things we'll be looking at in 2013 is a process that will allow to us look and share each other's security programs and sops to see if there's a way to tie systems together. what i would say from the last year is that things are starting to look more promising in that direction because of some of the partnerships and information-sharing on the passenger programs. so it's on the radar. it certainly won't be 2012 but i think there's an opportunity in 13 to at least put a process together to harmonize the standards. >> thank you. >> good morning, captain greg hall. the director of alpha's director of security for canada and also the chairman for the security community, and i'd like to direct my question to miss schaeffer with regards regards . as you're no doubt aware there's some brand new standards and recommend practices that are coming down the stream with regards to cargo screening. i guess they're three main highlights we're going to seem we're going to see a new definition for what constitutes high risk cargo. we're also going to see that cargo and mail are going to now be treated equally. and i think most important for us is the removal of the differentiation between cargo shipped on cargo aircraft and cargo shipped on passenger aircraft. and in other words, they're basically going to have to meet the same baseline standard. my question is, basically -- i know that many states are closer than others worldwide into meeting these new standards stad recommended practices. my question is, how close is the united states' system to be able to meet these new certs when they couple down the pike another 12 to 18 months or how long long it takes to thousand are you the process and what will need to beadmen order to meet the new smarts? thank you. >> thanks for the question. can you hear me? >> yes. >> so, we are looking forward to seeing what sort of work comes out in the next few months, particularly with the meeting for september, and the thigh level security conference coming occupy to see exactly what happens with the papers and proposals developed over the past few months. we are pleased with the definition of high risk cargo primarily because of the focus on risk are-based screening of it's not the most effective use of resources to devote the same amount of screening to all cargo so being able to identify what is high risk and having a global standard for that i think is a critical first step in the efficacy of our risk-based programs. for the u.s.' particular stance on these, other we're not involved in intense conversation was the regulators so that question i would unfortunately have to deflect. >> we're working on it. [laughter] >> outstanding. >> on that note i think we're out of time. and i very much thank the audience for your interest and your question. and i also think we're extremely fortunate to have had the participation of our subject matter experts today in our discussion of the need for and the application of intelligence driven risk based measures in aviation security. please join in the thanking bob, doug, liz, and carey. [applause] this concludes our panel discussion. thank you for your interest in this current aviation topic. copies of the white paper on risk-based security are at the alpha table in the exhibitor area. thank you so very much. greatly appreciate it. >> michael huerta spoke to the group. this is just under 20 minutes. >> still crowded. i like that. so right now i'm pleased to introduce the honorable michael huerta, acting administrator of the federal aviation administration. since joining the faa in 2010, his demonstrated professionalism, leadership and expertise, he also is a very impressive background in transportation and public service, including leading large international organizations. for these reasons, and on behalf of all air line pilot association members i urge the senate to confirm mr. huerta as the next faa administrator. we believe that the agency needs the steady, long-term leadership he can provide. so wore pleased the senate has started that process and we would encourage them to expedite its completion. he assumed his current roll at the faa in december 2011. and he is responsible for the safety and efficiency of the largest aero space system in the world. received a 15.9 bill budget and more than 47,000 employees. he also oversees the faa's air traffic control modernization program at the united states shifts from ground-based radar to state-of-the-art satellite technology. mr. huerta is an experienced transportation official who had held key positions across the country. his reputation for managing complex transportation challenges led him to the international stage when mr. hu rerta was tasked as managing director of the 2002 olympic winter games in salt lake city. he was instrumental in the planning and construction of a variety of olympic transportation facilities as well as the development of a highly successful travel demand management system that ensured that the transportation system operated safely and efficiently. before join the faa he held positions in computer systems from 2002 to 2090. becoming president of the group, and from 1993 to 18998 he held senior positions in the u.s. transportation department in washington, dc. serving under secretary peña and secretary slater. he served as the executive director of the port of san francisco knock 1979 -- 1989 to 1993 and was the commissioner of the u.s. ports in 1986 to 1989. ladies and gentlemen, police give a warm welcome to the faa acting administrator, michael huerta. [applause] >> good afternoon and thank you for the opportunity to be here today and to share with you my thoughts about aviation safety and the future of the faa. i really appreciate the opportunity to speak with alpha at various forums and i can't tell you how much i value the relationship we have with alpha and how much i appreciate that support that alpha has for me and for the faa. but working together on safety issues in a pro-active way it makes a significant difference, and the future of aviation is very, very dependent on this sort of collaboration. john f. kennedy put it very eloquently when he said -- when he made a comment like this. for time in the world do not stand still. change is the law of life. and those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the future. this is especially true in aviation. it's always been a very spirited, very forward-thinking and very innovative industry. kennedy's statement could not be more applicable than it is today. we're in the midst of a change that i would, whichize as a revolutionary change. you have heard from many today about new develops in safety, in airline crew health, fatigue management, and most recently, unmanned aircraft systems, and another fundamental change that is occurring in aviation now is our nextgen air transportation system. a major technological transformation which will increase efficiency and safety, reduce delays and reduce fuel consumption. as you can imagine, it is an incredibly complex transition, but we're making steady headway. we also continue to see rapid technological transportation formation in today's aircraft, and to maintain pace with these changes, our training must keep pilots up to speed with new and sophisticated technology. and must also stress the fundamental aspects of flying. despite the sophistication of aircraft, we're really focused on providing pilots with more and better training on how to do things like recognize and recover from stalls and aircraft upsets. we'll be able to do this -- we're able to do that today with the advanced flight simulators and training supports and this propels what we're seeing in aviation. new training is conducted as if pilots are actually on a flight rather than in highly controlled scenarios. we've seen recently that inappropriate stall recovery can be a major contributing factor in accidents and be can't lose sight of the importance of training on the core aspects of flying, such as crew management and stall recovery and other event that might occur when there's a change or a loss in automation systems. we believe that scenario-based training will enhance safety for the kind of emergencies that happens very, very rarely. but we want pilots to have sufficient knowledge, experience, and confidence so they can appropriately happen any situation. ultimately, it's the pilots today that must be the system managers of their aircraft. and we also want the crew to be well-rested. as you know, we completed the flight and duty time rule late last year. we all hold the responsibility of combating fatigue in the cockpit. the new rule provided pilots enough time to get needed rest based on different operations, long hall or short haul, day or night. we were not able to apply it to all cargo operations. however, all cargo operators are encouraged voluntarily to comply with the new regulations and secretary ray la hood and i consistently and constantly promote this option to them. i also want to recognize that some cargo operators are addressing the issue of rest for their pilots and doing innovative things there. unmanned aircraft systems are changing the face of aviation and these systems offer unique operations on a multitude of different efforts. however, they must be integrated into our air space with the highest degree of safety. listening to everyone's concerns and appreciating different points of view is the first step in ushering in a new technology and successfully integrating it into our national air space system. in a sense, building new technology is one thing. some might say while it's complicated, it's simpler than the twin challenge you have in bringing new technology into the system. and that is, building human consensus on a path forward for our aviation system, which is equally important. now, we're not going to do anything that compromises safety when it comes to the integration of unmanned aircraft into the national air space system. and in order to do that, what we need is good, solid data. earlier this spring, we asked for public input in establishing six test sites for civil unmanned aircraft systems. we got a lot of comments. 200 plus comments. we had two webinars, each which had more than 400 people participating in them. while we're evaluating the information and we expect to ask for specific proposals to manage these six test sites very soon. we're also studying training requirements, operator experience, and uses of air space, nail context of how to integrate them into the national air space system. this year, we established within the faa the uaf integration office, which is in our safety organization. the purpose of doing this is to off ever one-stop shopping for matters relate teed civil and public use of all unmanned air craft issues and systems and the systems that operate within u.s. air space. this office is responsible for developing a comprehensive plan to integrate unmanned aircraft systems to establish operational and certification requirements, and it will also oversee and coordinate research and development on unmanned systems. as you can imagine, the new office has a lot of work underway already. earlier this week, there's been a conference on unmanned aircraft systems in las vegas. understand there were 8,000 people who had registered and were in attendance in the conference. so that's indicative of the amount of attention that this area is getting. the staff is working on a rule to integrate small uas into our international air space. they looking on the solicitation of proposals for test sites and recently the faa received the first application for a type certificate for a commercial unmanned aircraft. overall at the faa, safety remains our cornerstone. it's our primary focus, and it's our foundation. we have the biggest and the safest aviation system in the world, and we want to make it even safer and smarter. and we must continue to serve as mod for aviation authorities all around the world. we're moving from a system of accident investigation and forensic study to a pro-active analysis of data. this helps us understand what might happen in order to make changes to address safety risks that might exist anywhere in the system. we want operators to establish safety management systems. this pro-actively helps to improve safety for everyone. at the faa, we're alreadial fms in our air traffic organization and we'll stemmed it to other areas within the agency. we all know these are lean financial times and we expect our funding to remain flat for the foreseeable future. the fata's fiscal year 2013 budget request is for $15.2 billion. and we see this as a sound investment in support of our mission. it would allow to us maintain appropriate levels of staffing for air traffic control, for aviation safety, as well as for research and development, with capital investment in both airport infrastructure and faa facilities and equipment. the success of all these programs and goals, of course, rests on our work force of today, and in the future. and ultimately it rests on effective collaboration between government and industry. between the faa, with apla and other industry groups. and what about the faa itself? i've heard from you, what is my vision of the agency in these times. and as i think about that, thing that first comes to mine is we must embrace the fundamental technological change that is unfolding before our eyes. nextgen is truly a revolutionary change and moves us from if aation technology developed in the 1950s to that of the future. that's one program. there are manies could the technology developing in aircraft, the technology that supports how we manage our businesses, all of that is -- continues to evolv at a very rapid rate. second i want to promote a shared responsibility for safety oversight. both industry and government are responsible for ensuring that safety measures are fully met. it's not one of -- one party's responsibility or the others. we can't do it if we don't do it together, and we can't do it without the active participation of one another. third, we will face major changes within the faa and our work force in the coming years. a little more than 30% of faa employees will be eligible to retire starting in 2014. so, for us, succession planning remains a crucial aspect of our focus as an agency. and we must realize that we will begin to lose a vast amount of corporate knowledge in the coming years. to prepare for that, what we need to do is impt that knowledge to today's emerging leaders and experts, to ensure that we have a successful agency in the 21st century. but at the same time, we need to capture the innovation and the creativity of the younger members that are joining our work force, and to embrace innovation and to figure out how we can continue to operate more and more efficiently. we must move forward full force and in tandem with one another, with government and with industry. it's not just the faa but it's also other government agencies and all aspects of industry, from airlines to association groups, to unions. what we need to do is embrace the opportunity that we have before us. to make long-lasting changes together. when i think about the technology and where we stand and how our industry is evolving and the generational change that we're going through as an agency, really and truly believe that we're at a critical point in aviation. decisions that we will make in the coming few years are really going to shape what aviation is going look like for decades ahead. so, thank you again for inviting me to speak with you today. i look forward to our continued collaboration in the years ahead. thank you. [applause] >> the administrator still has few minutes for questions. if you have a question, and you'd approach the microphone, that would be great. anyone? >> watching the teleprompter coming up here. the answer are not canned. so ask away. >> all right. seeing none, i want to thank you again. thank you for all the support and looking forward to your confirmation. >> thanks, russ. i appreciate it. [applause] >> coming up next, a look at the 2012 campaign with aflc oui o president richard trumka, and then we speak with newt gingrich. >> the library of congress has a new exhibit, books that shaped america. 88 books were selected for their influence on america and american culture. here's a brief interview about the exhibit and how you can join in on an online chat about the library's list and what books you think should be included. >> we actually call our books the safe america as opposed to other words we considered, like changed america, because we think that books slowly have an impact on american society. so many books have had such a profound influence on american culture and society and indeed the very essence of what america is. the earliest book is actually ben franklin's book on electricity. and of course, thomas payne's book that kind of sparked or staked the american revolution. novels are a critical part of american culture. many of them identified who we were becoming, the as separations we had as nation. others told about experiences that we had uniquely as americans. we also thought that is was very important to look at nonfiction and books that either were self-help or had value of certain kinds. we looked for books that were innovative. that showed america as an innovative country. that used books and stories to inspire going into the frontier, and that could be literally or intellectually. >> if you want to participate in an online discussion with roberta shafer, one that we will air on book tv, we'd like to hear from you. e-mail us at back tv at c-span2.org. >> afl-cio president richard trumka is a the supreme court decision has allowed the unions to reach out to nonunion households for the first time. mr. trumka said the union set an effort to -- he spoke at a breakfast hosted by the christian science monitor. this is an hour. >> our guest todays are richard trumka, president of the afl-cio, and michael -- the group's political director. mr. trumka grew up in the pennsylvania coal field and followed his father, branch, and grandfather, into the mines. he worked is a way through penn state university and entered -- earned a law degree from villanova. he was elected president of the united mine worked. he brought the umwa into the afl-cio in 1995 he ran for the secretary treasurer of the afl-cio and became the youngest person to hold that position where he served for a years, mr. trumka was elected president of the afl-cio in september 2009. mr. -- an expert in sophisticated voter mobile mobilization models. before coming to the alf alf he was associate delv -- he managed congressional campaigns. now on to the process portion of our program. as always we're on the record here. please no live blogging or tweeting in sort, no filing while the breakfast is underway. no embargo when the session ends except c-span2 agreed to wait two hours before airing the tape of this breakfast. the goal of maintaining the breakfast's tradition for civility, send me a signal and i will call on one and all. we want to offer our guest to make opening comments and then move around for questions. so, mr. trumka, the floor is yours. >> i don't know everybody can hear me. i was houghing troublehearing you. seems like we were just here last time and another year has gone speeding by. they seem to go by a little quicker each year. so, hopefully we can make this year more meaningful than the last year. i'm going to be brief. i want to say a few words and then open it up for questions or comments. for the last 30 years, the economy has really been moving away from working people and towards those that at the very top. and that has taken a big toll on not only workers in the country but on the middle class in the country as well and that's why this particular election that we're facing right now is so important for us, because it is the difference between two competing visions, and we're about to have at least a debate over which one of those divisions is -- or visions -- i'm sorry -- is best for the country. and we're excited that we have joined together with a number of progressive groups to endorse and to advocate a thing called prosperity economics, you'll find it in the green packets that were passed around. it was done by jacob hacker and they put this thing together with a number of progressive groups, talking to them, and it really is -- it offers from our perspective a light at the end of a long economic tunnel. so we're excited about that because we're going to have this debate. we were excited that we were able to have a debate over collective bargaining, and we can move forward and talk about really what's been hollowing out the country and where we go from here. our political program this year is going to be different than it's been in the past. it will be more geared towards the rank-and-file, but unlike in the past when we would start building our program, eight or nine months before the election, this time we have a permanent program that will stay in place. after the election day, we'll continue to reach out, we'll continue to mobilize, we'll also continue to bring people in and educate them. it will also i lou us to do something that we couldn't do before. we were prohibited by law from talking to nonunion members. now because of the some new tools out there, we are'll be taking to nonunion members and reaching out and mobilizing them. we're in the process of training over 400,000 volunteers. we already have over 300,000 on the line. also doing about between five and six thousand poll monitors so we can monitor the polls on election day and leading up to election day to make sure everybody's vote gets counted, and all of this will kick off an august 25th when we'll start our first national day of walks. so that in 27 states on that day. and then it will expand out to 50 states, and then on the 25th of august, and thereafter, we'll be in 20 states and we'll be knocking on doors and encouraging participation out there while mitt romney is being nominated at the convention. so it's going to be an exciting time. we're about to quick off the real exciting part of all of this, and we're ready for it. >> thanks very much. >> you bet. >> i will kick it off with a softball question, as dave cook likes to say, and then anybody who wants to jump in, just wave at me and i'll make a list. if you could walk interest the oval office and give president obama one piece of campaign advice about winning over white working class men, which is a tough demographic for him, what would it be? >> keep talking about jobs, jobs, and more jobs, and if you look at our program, -- i'll go through this. this is the union difference in the last eex. talked about white men. obama lost white many in the last election by 16-points but won the white union men by 18 points. that's 34-point spread. he lost white women by 7%. but he won white union women by 47%. that's a 54% swing. he lost weekly church goers by 50% but increased -- won weekly church goers that are union mebdz by 1%. the same thing for gun owners and veterans and 65 year and older, a tremendous union advantage from our program because we keep teaching them about economics and who is actually providing a program that will help them workers and their children and their family in our community. so my advice to him would be, keep talking about jobs, jobs, and more jobs and also the vision of an economy that works for everybody. so this is two competing visions right here. the mixed vision that is that more of the same. if you look admit mitt's 85-page economic program it boils down to two things, give us more tax cuts. and remove regulations and we'll create jobs. >> mike do you have -- okay. anybody -- is melanie trotman sneer she put in a question on friday. >> i wanted to ask about pensions. >> about what? >> pensions. because last year we had -- there is would a best big debate about collective bargaining. it seems to me the debate might move to pensions because of state budgets. are you expecting that, and how do you expect to defend pension programs for your members? >> i don't think we're going to defend pension programs. why should we? the american way is we should provide quality secure retirement for safe that's something everybody should health here's what is happened over the last several years. i think the far right has been successful in turning around the normal american way of doing things. used to be we would say, you don't have a pension, i do. what do we have the to do to get you one. now, they've been successful in some instances in trying to turn around and saying, you have a pension, don't, why shouldn't we take yours away. we shouldn't be taking people's pension away. it's bad economics, bad policy and a bad example. the rest of the world doesn't do that. the rest of the world has figure out how to provide secure pensions for their families. we're a more prosperous country. just need to get back political will and it can, should and will happen. >> how will you respond to that. >> they're not about pensions actually. there's about trying to weaken the labor movement. they're bat number of things. are there entities, state entities and local suites that are hurting in yes there are, because they don't have the tax revenue or they've had massive layoffs or jobs that have been lost, and do we work with them? yes, we do work with them whenever there's a legitimate problem. but take wisconsin, wisconsin has a surpass, gives a major tax break to corporate america. says i now have a deficit and i have to take your pension. he didn't have to take everybody's pension. he chose to take somebody's pension. >> all right. >> die expect continued attack on pension plans? of course i do. >> kevin, sorry, taking you mid-bite. >> get back more to politics. how do you -- we -- [inaudible] what do you think a second term for president obama -- [inaudible] -- people think at it going to be close and -- [inaudible] how do you feel about a second term for president obama and if you have any thoughts -- [inaudible] >> a bunch of questions. >> what's the second term for -- what is a second obama term mean for the labor movement, and what do you think will be some of the pluses and the conflicted and how do you feel politically as far as where things go. >> well, first of all, maybe in the future everybody can say their name. i do know the first two but give me your name and what entities your from and who you represent. i knew you two guys. first of all, i do think that president obama will win re-election. he'll be a close race. and i think it will be a close race because of the massive amounts of money and resources that will get pounded into this election. second of all i think that in some instances because of a little bit of good luck, the senate will remain in democratic hands. and i think that the democrats in the house will pick up seats primarily because of the obstructionism that we have seen so far, and the lack of a program. the republicans haven't shown any program whatsoever about job creation. they voted hundreds of times on other things. on reproduction control, and things like that. but they've not advocated or given any kind of program for jobs program. so i think they're going to lose some ground this time around. what happens in the second term? i think some is determined by what indianapolis the election. if i'm accurate and the democrats hold on to the senate, and they maybe pick up a seat or pick up house seats, then i think the republicans are going to have a choice. they have to offer some solutions and come up with some jobs creation stuff, and get off of the flaming over things that used to be nonpartisan. the surface transportation act, the faa act, the clean water act. we never used to fight over all of those things because those things are necessary for the u.s. government, for our economy to go forward. now we fight over everything that is certain of foolish, and sort of reminds me of nero, fiddling while rome burns. we'll have to continue to fight. we'll advocate. we'll organize around the hacker report with the whole progressive community supporting it so that progressive community will be behind that. the hacker report says we ought to be investing a minimum of $250 billion a year in infrastructure. to pick up for the deficit. that will have some job creation effect and make us more eeffective and efficient and come pettive as nation and we'll organize around that. >> my only thought, it's fair to say kind of from that you think democrats will pick up a seat in the house but maybe not gain control of the house? >> i wouldn't rule that out about i wouldn't bet the ranch on it. it's what we'll see what happens. [inaudible] >> i think so. >> are you concerned that -- i'm sorry. go ahead, mike. >> i was going to add on the house, that except for the extraordinary amount of money going into the house from outside groups, that this would be another wave election for the democrats. that if you look at any of normal indicators before citizens united, such at gallup reside question about whether you think most representatives deserve to be re-elected, in wave years, '94, 2006, '08 and '10, that 50-60% of folks said most members of congress should not be re-election. right now it's at 76%. when you -- the republican approval for congressional approval is at an all-time low. yet that is -- has to be put up against the fact that when you look at 2008 to 2012. democratic house between the candidates and the superpacs have $100 million less than they did in 2008 and republicans have $100 million more. i think it's pretty clear in poll every poll that the public is completely dissatisfied with the republican obstructionism in the house and it's going to be a test as to whether or not that much money can keep the house republican. >> david grant from christian science monitor. >> hi, david. >> say you guys are going to raise this money. the labor unions are going to blow us out of the water. can you address that sort of paradigm that you guys are big hitters, we're just doing -- we're going to be even steen at the end of this maybe. can you compare what you do and maybe take on that sort of concept that labor and the american -- are doing the same thing. >> any legitimate study says we're outspent significantly but we turn out people at the -- level which hey can't do but now we can reach out to nonundown workers and talk to. he it used to be we would do a nor knock and there would be 500 houses in a small community. if 100 of them are union, we had to skip 400 houses. now we can go to those 400 houseses, talk to them about the issue, get information to them about the issues that they find important or they deem important. we're also going to be doing a couple other things differently. we'll have an energize our volunteer system a whole lot more actively than we have. last election, last cycle, we had 300,000 volunteers on the ground. this time we are shooting for four and we think we'll exceed four because we got three so quickly. we were able to get over 300,000, actually 32 5 very, very quickly so we're able to move beyond that. we go to the grassroots level. we won't be doing the anonymous ads or feel good america or the other front groups they put out there. they'll be doing the air waves and we'll do the ground waves and see what happens. >> i find what they say about that and making the comparison either laughable or galling. what they're basically saying is that, one, organizations that support business that has a couple of hundred donors should be treated equivalently with labor movement. ... and it's disingenuous. >> end of the table. can you introduce yourself quiet >> mr. trumka, thanks for doing this. you're attacking about the president's union advantage. i was hoping you could tack a bit about president obama as a candidate specifically for union to union members as opposed to watching people proudly. i think when you talk to a lot of labor leaders these days, there's some who feel like with the organized labor. i'm wondering if you sent them with rank-and-file, may be an enthusiasm problem with the president and if you feel like you can make a strong case studies done everything he can for the labor movement. >> has he done everything he can is a simple answer. no president has ever done that. has he done a lot for the labor movement? absolutely yes. has he done a lot for the working people? absolutely yes. that's a book i have goes to work, where you go to school as a janitor or anybody. under eight years of george bush, the occupational safety and health administration, was nonexistent. it was a cadaver. they starved his resources in turn from agency into a consulting team for a company. serve more people being injured, more people being hurt, less people coming home from work they didn't have a health disease. now you have workers being good. look at the last guy. bush came in. economy blowing off the chair. growing a giant surplus. he leaves eight years later with fewer jobs than when he came into office. so every american worker, every american was worse off. pension funds have been ravished, lost money because of the deregulation that he sent to people. and this president has created three and a half, 4 million jobs in the worst recession that we've seen since the great depression, with an obstructionist house and republican senate that a strike to stop everything he's tried to do. so he's worked hard. has he done everything? of course he hasn't done everything. we've tried for 60 years to get health care for every citizen in this country. every other civilized nation has figured out how to do it. they provide health care for their citizens. he finally got that done, despite the obstructionism that we've seen on the other side. so i'd say are workers out there that say they should have done more? of course, but whenever you compare them and when we compare them, like what mitt romney intends to do and what barack obama is sensitive and it comes to working people, there's no contest. barack obama is more for working people than mitt romney. romney is for the very rich. he doesn't identify with us. he doesn't understand what we go through every day. he doesn't understand the decisions we have to make. he doesn't understand it's tough to send kids to school. you shouldn't be slashing aid to colleges or pell grants are things of the sort. he should be increasing for the good of the country. >> it is your name. >> i'm sean higgins. i was curious exactly how much money is spent in the wisconsin recall election -- >> , should we spend? the afl-cio? probably less than 500,000. >> do you believe will solve all spend? >> hardened? do i? absolutely. it took back control of the senate so scott walker can do some of the nonsensical foolish things that he tried to do. we continue to make war on his employees. that was going to try to create jobs because what job proposals put in front of us and he will support him are well supported. >> could the president held a showing had been beaten like a ship race in the recall? could he have made a difference? >> that was debated back and forth on the ground. we really did. people don't believe this. the people on the ground were really making the calls in that recall position. if we had been in controlling different things to different ways can we might have made different things. who knows, but we might have. we want to keep what was happening there and they didn't want it to become a national issue. and so, i think he probably on her thigh. he was supportive, but it wasn't intrusive. >> you're not disappointed he didn't go out there? >> i don't think the people on the ground were disappointed either. he responded as the people on the ground was best. [inaudible] >> toni diamond from the british corporation. can i bring you back what is described as a tactical labor movement. can you tell me why you think you lost the sort of overall argument, the overall argument is in the recall at scott walker and also the dco at how you fight back on pensions. there is as you know effort around the country and many big cities are struggling under data. how we persuade people with what many people see as a comfortable public sector pension of justifiable private sector council? >> let me go back to the first part of the question. when you look what happened in wisconsin, wisconsin in the election degenerated into an election between scott walker and take ohio. ohio was a clean decision or discussion over collective bargaining. should workers have collective bargaining or should they not? it was 60 plus% of the ohio population said all workers, public and private should have an election. i think if the election outcome to the the same way, we would've won in wisconsin just like everywhere else. it degenerated into a discussion between walker, i think maybe degenerated this in the proper word, but that is where it went to. you had millions of dollars of bad slashing, millions of dollars saying whether waitperson walker was. and then in the end you had even their own membership, probably 75% voted again walker. and at the 25% they didn't, another 40% of those said that they were going to vote against him because they didn't think recall should be used for policies. so that trailed up a little bit at the end. the primary thing though was an election between people, between barrett and walker. it was about collective-bargaining. if it had been, we would have won. and i think the staff of the pension income that people are getting tired of that. he talked to people in the little town that i grew up in. you say to them, hey, we better take away that guy's pension over there. what does that do for me? is still don't have a pension now. now neither one of us have a pension and he spends the money in the community? what happens to the economy? ec economist after economist, how to report shared prosperity. a strong social security, strong medicare and medicaid because the economy can't survive without it. i think it's run the course of them being able to divide us and we're giving them facts and it's starting to take over and we're going to have a debate, hopefully along the shared prosperity is either going to be shared prosperity for posterity principles. we'll let the public decide. i think boca were shared prosperity because that's a better avenue for everybody. >> michael warner from the weekly standard. i want to ask a slightly different question about president obama. what a blast last four years is as an obama done to organized labor? >> i'm going to answer the same exact way that i answer that. it's not just were designed for organized labor. it's what he's done for workers. >> he helped us get a health care bill that's going to bring health care to everybody. he stood up for social security and medicare and medicaid. he's helped us with occupational health and safety. he is the policy right now that is geared towards bringing manufacturing back to the country, i shouldn't say punishing, stop rewarding those seeking jobs offshore and bringing jobs then. he's a first-rate acts like nobody else has. he seemed to try from bankruptcies that were now hiring people in ohio and michigan and indiana and illinois and kentucky. there've been and higher than other places as well because he saved the auto industry. all of those being to our benefit. >> was it worth the $1.2 million that afl-cio. he thought organized labor at the bank's part and a first-round? >> you don't attempt to quote harper on that one. i'll answer that question. of course it was worth it. for us to play in the system of democracy, to educate our members and mobilize our members and get them in halting the voting project is always worth it. everybody had to be encouraging that, unlike what we see right now from the republican party when they are trying to discourage people from playing for participating in democracy. i think it's inexcusable. >> shawn. [inaudible] >> i'm having trouble hearing. i am not >> will have ups the resources this time around. it will probably be in the same area except for super pack kabila to spend talking to 90 workers then we did union workers. if he won a figure, i'm not going to give it to you because that'll be the story. how much are you spending. we're going to be on the ground. asked how many people will organize. we'll have over 400,000 activists trying to get those document doors and making phone calls and getting them out. adiabatic >> we think it's corrosive to the system, but since it's there, we have a super pack called workers voice. will use that to be able to talk to nonunion workers because the law prohibits us from using union to talk to nonunion workers. so we use the money we have to be able to talk to the nonunion workers. >> i have a question about the foreign investment in the united states. >> about what? >> there was an announcement yesterday that a chinese company plans to buy a battery maker, a 123, which has been troubled and has gotten support from the u.s. government. and this follows the news last week of interest by canadian assets. i'm just wondering if you think about creating jobs in the u.s., what are your thoughts on chinese investment in the u.s.? how much should there be and how much scrubbing of such deal should we have? >> you know, i think it all depends because i think foreign investment here can be a good thing or it can be a bad thing. i'll give you a couple of examples. a number of years ago, five, six years ago under george bush, we used to make magnets into basis. we wrote magnetizing or used in the systems smart bombs, airplanes, missiles, things of that sort. the chinese came in and got an exemption from the bush administration cannot bind to both of those come invested into both of those. everybody said that's good. six months later they close the plants down, move them to china after they learned of the technology and know-how. that was bad. so if they're only investing in battery making so they can begin to know how to it back to china so they can ultimately decide to use a bunch of things that violate international trade rules to gain a market like they did with windmills and other renewable, then that would be about then we should allow that in shouldn't let it continue to drain us of the resources we type. was launched 50,000 plants in this country since 2000, 50,000. and what them not only what the manufacturing process, but also the r&d because the r&d follows the manufacturing process. take away in. china says will buy boeing planes, but there's a catch to it. you want us to buy boeing planes, you have to make the tail assembly in china. before long, were looking at the engineers and engineers are working on a boeing tail assembly. they're working on other projects over there. we should allow that to happen. other countries don't do that. why we allow that to happen is beyond me. i think we should work in her own best interest and i think you have been asked this question, but i'll throw it out. there's a guy named ross armory who did this tremendous study who said the two years ago the interests of corporate america and country really coincided. they thought about what was best for their community, stakeholders, states in the country and make decisions on the line. somewhere since that period of time, the interest of corporate america, particularly multinationals have diverse as the interest of the country. so they will do what is in their best interests and lobby intensely and spend billions of dollars to politicians that will do what is in their best interest regardless of whether it's the best interest of the country. our biggest challenge is a country is to try to realign those interests. so the interest of corporate america and the interest of america to coincide again. >> china deals more closely than investment from other countries? >> well, only to this extent. i would say normally, no we should look at all foreign investments in the same line. but only to this extent. with such a massive deficit with china and they have violated rules so significantly we should be paying very close attention and trying to get them to comply with no international norms and trade laws. look what happens when we do that. the president took a case to on steel pipe. we want in front of the wto. but the several thousand workers back to work, creating still tight because they didn't have to compete against illegal subsidies and other ways of cheating the chinese had. the same thing happens with rubber tired at the same thing happened with a number of other auto parts. so we should be enforcing our laws and because they're the biggest deficit, they should get special treatment and not any more special scrutiny that we should be giving to anybody else. >> brianne hummels friendly's paper. could you talk about the two political conventions coming up. but for the present of the afl-cio be in tampa. who are the republicans you might want to honor? are there feeler? [inaudible] >> yes, people in north carolina are in a group down there. they've been under attack publicly more intensively than anyplace else other than maybe south carolina, but they're pretty face the group. look, the convention this time time -- i think i might conventions in the past, everything's already pretty much decided. so i think it's a little anti-climatic for everybody. i think there'll be issues to about, the plots are planks to say day. i think you need to look at those things because the platforms of both countries -- both parties speak volumes about who they are and what they are. now, you know, we're going to labor day festivities. i just like yesterday at about 10 or 12 single species above the labor festivities around the country. there will be some stuff in north carolina, charlotte, some stuff elsewhere. the president will be wherever the president is going to be come a think probably one of the states near the beach to do a celebration there. and will be participating. this saturday of course we have the second bill of rights. we are having the same in philadelphia yesterday democratic chairman of the republican chairman, both to sign the second labour bill of rights and the labor bill of rights has five planks. one second here. see if they'll find them. if they will not be great. if they don't, then they don't. we'll know who is with us and who was out with a because it is part of -- at the union meeting we charge people 50 bucks. that's a different issue. that was that you got there with josh? the five planes are the right to full employment and living wage, the right to full participation, the right to a voice, the right to a quality education and the right to be secure, healthy future. i don't know how you could oppose those things, but we'll see. we'll see who signs them and who them and then we'll organize with them. >> are. >> are not going to go around like grover norquist and as candidates to sign them, are you? >> that's not our intention. it's part of the bigger thing of having our debate over the american middle class and workers and shared prosperity in the green package. it's part of that continuation to call attention to bad so we can continue to have the debate. if you say what sinai, the fair question is why? what is it in here that you oppose? now, i would assume that mitt romney was, i oppose the right to a voice at work and i would say okay, well that is your decision to make the because they think he opposes the right to full employment and a living wage. let's do a survey. who opposes full appointment and a living wage? nobody. so it's going to be fine. it is going to be part of the debate on the bigger issue, getting people to talk about a different type of economy that works for everybody and forcing them to say, this policy works, these policies don't. >> getting back to my earlier question, are there any republicans he'll be recognizing us prolabor? >> yeah, we've been endorsed. you asked if there are fewer, there are absolutely feeler and the stronger the tea party gets, the less likely there will be any more candidates because they have people that, i mean, orrin hatch was too liberal and their eyes. i do remember anybody ever describing orrin hatch is liberal, but he was too liberal in their eyes. so there are fewer and fewer. olympia snowe, the wind that we really do bipartisan staff and work with are actually getting beat because they are not right-wing enough. and if that's the party they want to iraq, it's going to be tough to sell to the american public in the future. guys like joe lobiondo, we've adore his tan and will continue to endorse him. he stood with us. dave latourette, we would endorse him. i don't think he's going to run this time. the more moderate ones are sort of falling off and that's a tragedy for the country. the viciousness of politics is really driving the best and the brightest away from politics. you know, why do this? the best and brightest are going into politics like they used to go and that's a real loss for the country as far as i can see. >> michelle. [inaudible] >> we sent a letter to the head of the democratic national committee and republican national committee, a common letter by the way so no one could say we did it to favor one or the other. we sent it off to them. we send word to the president that we wanted to sign it and i have no reason to believe that he won't sign it. he won't be supportive of all of those things. all of those things are in the policy anyway. >> grabber. [inaudible] >> what does the obama team need to be doing better and what is the romney team doing well that has surprised you? >> i think the president is making the case right now that he should be making, that this is about two different types of economy. and i think that romney has made some -- everybody calls him gaps, but i don't consider them caps. i mean, my wife drives to cadillacs. take this stuff with the tax returns right now. when that romney was trying to be vice president, he gave mccain 23 years of tax returns. 23 years. now mccain saw some name, and nasty pics sarah palin and said of mccain. i don't know whether it was the returns are not. and then he doesn't want to give returns to the american public. one year of returns to the american republic. it's not just about transparency. it's about him saying i'm special. i don't have to play by the rules. every other candidate has to get their tax returns. i don't have to. i don't have to play by the rules. it can be an elite and i think he's got to break out of that. because as long as people think he is an elitist and he is standing with the elite, i don't think the american public, the vast majority identify and i don't think they vote. >> the obama campaign committee think they're running a campaign and there's no way they can improve? >> i think it's got to keep talking about the economy and his vision of the economy does the lady goes and i think he started that last labor day. you remember, we were in here before last labor day and i said, the president is making a strategic mistake. he's talking about deficit reduction and that's not going to get him reelected. that line is he's doing that, he's losing ground. now i'm not going to say i told you so, the last labor day he started talking about jobs in the economy and creating jobs in a different vision annie's not let up. i think he stays on that vision. i think that romney has to stay on his vision and i think he loses and obama wins because i think the american public are tired of the old economy. they see through it. they don't want the economic winners to be a will to make the economic policies that are going to continue to stop them and their kids from getting ahead. >> benji. [inaudible] just a quick question for you, mr. trumka appeared dingy saarland, a quick question. it seems this is at the forefront of the whole national conversation. avril has invested a couple years ago and expecting it to be a major issue in the presidential campaign. the president rarely mentions collective bargaining rights. that romney to some degree does it bring it up all that often on the trail either. are you surprised it's gotten less attention from the major party candidates on the trail? >> is obvious when that romney doesn't bring it up. he doesn't believe in it and he wants to destroy it anyway. so of course he's not going to bring that out. i think the president talked about collective bargaining. he talks about the right to the union. does he talk about it every day? no. why talk about it in every speech? probably not. more than he does, but not every speech. when i talk about the economy of different things i bring it out. it will be part this election i'm sure. we're going to be able to get the shared prosperity out when you read it and i hope you do, i hope all of you do and give it a fair hearing and see which one you believe what the better for the country, it is replete with references to bargaining. >> mike plumley with "the l.a. times" "chicago tribune." wondering if you could reflect on the friends they come frenzy, there's anybody in that romney would pick on the republicans died as a running mate who would maybe light a fire under organized labor or do whatever what were you and conversely, wondering if you could also reflect on the world the vice president eitan has played in the partnership you have within, that has been a voice for dealing the administration. >> i'll take the second part of the question first. vice president biden has played a very construct a parole over at the turn by his first term at the president. i mean obviously we have a great relationship with them. he understands working people because he comes out of a blue-collar family, so i think he's been a real plus. people say he does this or does that, i think you guys do too. you wouldn't get to write the stuff that she did, so i think vice president has done a good job. he's a good human being and he cares about the country, so i really have a lot of respect for him. i don't know who nitpicks for his vice president. i could tell you this, you can pick any of the ones to to and energize our side, not distinguish energy in our side, so is his call adobe is first major decision will see what happens. >> there's no one candidate you might pick? >> pics sarah palin. [inaudible] >> first of the, go back a look at the architects of the trade policy, under bill clinton, and they are now saying that the trade policy that this country had hasn't been real good for us. it hasn't been the panoply that people want us to believe. it's been bad. we've lost jobs. and then, he's been -- this president spent a number of years trying to fix the three agreements that ultimately were. do i agree with them? no, they still don't go far enough as a trade policy for us. they still allow -- they are too slanted still. that's what i'll say. but let's look at what is done elsewhere. he's enforce the law. unlike george bush you never would enforce any kind of trades can this guy is taken trade case after trade case and won them. winning those cases has put china back it a son, stopped some of the illegal practices they are doing and has put people back to work in this country. now, trade can be a very, very positive thing. the regime that we saw over the last 20 years has not penetrated all of the this country needs. at tpp will be the first time the president can't do actually do one of his own. posting it happens. it can be a very good thing words very, very bad thing. [inaudible] >> very, very close personal relationship. i disagree, trade policy, but as the human been he is a fine guy and we have a good relationship. >> i want to ask about 400,000 volunteers, but the question has me thinking about 2015 and the way of the democratic nominees. >> it would be totally up to him. if he makes that decision, i'm not going to wait until 2016. i'm more worried about 2012 the habits and 13, 14 and 15. he can either help his chances or lessen his chances by what happened in between. i'm not going to 16 when we're here at 12. >> what states do you guys -- are you guys focused on? what will the store knockers to? do you have a percentage on the amount as though you hope to move and obama's direction by having such a big group of volunteers? like the sheet in front of you, the nonunion members? do have the percentage of that to grow that on? >> first of all, there were 20 some states and those volunteers will be at all those battleground states. there is fixates who may have boring. pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin, nevada and florida. those are the six corestates. we've had full-time staff in those states for a couple of months now, three or four months now. and the other places the other staff will be full-time staff as well. told you everything. ledoux door knocks, leafleting at the placates or at work sites. be talking to both union and nonunion workers for a change in getting back to nonunion workers on the issues that they say are important to them. >> is a resort or not you hope to move? >> yeah, 100%. i mean, we're not saying hey, we'll try and hit all of them. we'll see what happens. >> just going way back to health care you mentioned earlier, what do you make of this new priority, basically saying -- the new priority is basically blaming romney for killing the workers wise. there's been a big brouhaha lately. >> i really haven't seen the ad. i read sort of a synopsis about it. i think what he was saying is being capital took away my job. they encouraged outsourcing. they come in and day by a company, loaded up with that, use the debt they include on the company to pay themselves back at the debt service is too big for the company so it collapses or they transfer part of it overseas. he lost his health care and he said that his wife died several months later. i think 20 months later or something like that because he lost his health care. if you ask your health care and your wife is a come back and you probably didn't have -- he had a preexisting nation come you couldn't get anywhere else. a president obama has change that as well are these preexisting nation you can still get health care. they can't drop you for that or track you when you hit the max. >> removing a couple of negative ads -- the cycle of battering the super pack seemed to be more negative, more strict in the boundary -- >> that is a byproduct of citizens united. it is corrosive to the democratic process i think. whenever you are pumping and three, $4 billion announced, they won't even tell you in some cases he's doing them. yeah, i think we had to change the system. but you have the supreme court right now that equates dollars with free speech. somehow i just don't believe it when abraham -- an average of whenever jefferson and adams in been fun to work together drafting the constitution, one of them said you know, tom, you have a thousand dollars up to come to see you get a thousand dollars in free speech, but a $10,000, so i should attend games via a free speech you had. i don't think i was part of the original equation. but the supreme court says, money equals free speech, except when it comes to unions because they said time and time again that you can limit the free speech of unions although you can limit the free speech of corporation. so we'll be testing some of those in the near future to find out if they really do mean what they said in the citizens united's vision. >> okay, one last question, sean. >> assuming president obama does get a second term, what he think the prospects in the keystone pipeline project is? >> i'm sorry, didn't hear you. >> assuming president obama gets a second term, what are the prospects for the keystone excel pipeline project? >> i don't think it's just keystone. it's about job creation. if he gets a second term, such a creation that will do more of that. you'll see stuff in the port if we can test 252 mike $400 billion in infrastructure, it's the job creation along the way. and you'll see things done correctly. the thing i get a little upset about, particularly from the industry, a lot of people try to say at either or. either you do the project or destroy the environment. i think there's a way to do things both ways, do things without destroying the environment and we should be looking at doing is a very, very sustainable way. i think that project and others have a chance of success doing it the right way. over going to see more job creation under barack obama then that romney is going to go right back to where we were coming deregulating everything, more tax cuts for the rich and letting it trickle down. it doesn't trickle down and it doesn't work. it got us into the mess that we currently find ourselves in. >> allright comic. while thank you very much. see you in a year. >> yeah, he back in a year. [inaudible conversations] >> i do not and feed the drowsy harmony of the republican party. they squelch debate, we welcome it. they deny differences, we bridge them. they are uniform, we are united. [cheers and applause] >> the choices this year and not just between two different personalities or between two political parties. they are between two different visions of the future, to fundamentally different ways of governing. their the government of pessimism from the fear among ours of hope, confidence and growth. >> now, conversation and former house speaker and presidential candidate, newt gingrich on the 2012 presidential race. from "washington journal," this is about 50 minutes. >> host: newt gingrich is here now and mr. speaker wanted to get your position on welfare and you're all over the place in the papers today in many issues, but welfare is one. "usa today" said romney is centering his attack on the 90 welfare act. there is a picture of you here and it says you're calling president obama the anti-clinton at this point. what are you saying? >> guest: first of all, i did in a newsletter and said there is a real gamble on obama's part of clinton nominating. clinton announced in a state the union if they give her what was over, obama is trying to rebuild it. clinton created the council to train with the democratic party to the center. obama taking back to the left. i worked with clinton in a bipartisan way, tough negotiations. he vetoed twice and we finally worked it out. it is the most important social conservative reform of our lifetime. obama got it to work for provision by just issuing a regulation, which is illegal by the way. clinton and i worked at a balanced budget act of 1997, a very tough to enact your negotiation and in a bipartisan way we lead for straight surpluses. obama has led the largest deficits in american history. because of welfare reform and economic growth, the number of children poverty dropped 25% are the largest improvement is the last two years of the clinton frustration as these policies went into effect and people went to work earned a living. almost every other majors on, clinton is one world and obama in another. >> talking points writes at this rate. newt gingrich accused president obama of the secret radical work requirements and welfare reform. what exactly do you say? >> what i said is obama as a state senator in 1996 supposed to work requirement. a substantial number of liberal democrats utterly opposed. in fact, attacked bill clinton for signing it. section 407 is very direct, no waiver is legal. we wanted to force the social service bureaucrats to recognize this as a major shift to the work ethic and they had an obligation to apply the work ethic to the poor. the president, president obama has gone in and issued proposed regulation of health and human services, which waives some thing from which congress has set in president clinton signed, you can't wave. you have to ask yourself this simple question. if they don't intend to read the work requirement, where they wait in the work requirement. they say you're leaping to conclusions. i think that is nonsense. it is very clear people who are left wing you don't believe in the work requirement are now trying to set the stage to wave the work requirement. >> host: former speaker and republican presidential candidate will be with us for about 45 minutes. newt gingrich will start to take calls in a couple minutes, but back to the presidential race in a cell. i'm not than what about that romney campaign video or ad called the rise and fall of welfare reform which sparked a lot of discussion this week. let's take a look. >> a new bill restores america's basic argument of providing opportunity and demanding return responsibility. this bill will help people go to work so they can stop trying to welfare check and start drawing a paycheck. >> why should an able-bodied person receiving welfare benefits not be required to work >> i believe it's an important change. yes, people are to her. hard-working american citizens should not be required to carry people. >> i introduced a concept of workfare in 1986. i remember my colleagues on the democratic side at the time for suggesting that the mandatory work requirement for anyone receiving welfare. >> i was not a huge supporter of the federal plan signed in 1996. >> i would not probably have supported the federal bill to pass. >> the obama administration issues favors to work requirement of the law. >> host: mr. gingrich got me been pressed on this ad. one headline developed overnight. newt gingrich is no proof of that romney had read where are you with this? >> guest: that came out of a conversation that was pretty convoluted. how they actually rate the work requirement? no, it's been around since july 12. likely give away the work requirement the first chance they get? absolutely. the ad sets up what i think has not happened, but you have to ask yourself the question. why would they wait -- why would they put in place a waiver if they don't intend to wave it? so i think a particular porter was determined to get me to say it hadn't happened yet. clearly it's going to happen if he gets really did because otherwise why would you set it up. >> host: lots of other issues, but we want to get viewers about talking with newt gingrich. newark, delaware on the democratic line. >> caller: good morning. the first thing i have is a comment, basically everything am going to say as a comment. but the first thing about the welfare situation. what is happening here come your throwing peanuts to the poor man because he can't get a job in many criticize him. here's what i want to say to republicans. i want you to love yourself more than you hate the president. understand what i'm saying. love yourself more than you hate the president. he has your interests at heart. if that romney could send it will be like the great depression, jumping over every bridge they can get on. thank you so very much. post or any reaction? >> guest: obviously she's a hard-core democrat. periods of great prosperity when a speaker she worked in a bipartisan way. largest reductions in children poverty has the two years after welfare reforms. we can work together to get things that are good. president obama is too far to the left and compare to president clinton. and a second editorial the campaign is that new depths trysting with accusation was welfare reform by claiming the blatantly false, but a great deal about mr. romney's increasing desperate desire to define a something he is not. what do you think of that romney at this point? >> guest: i think it's a smart, hard-working guy with great management capabilities who has put together a very effective campaign and he won the nomination and do any real fight. i was in the middle of it. but i also think "the new york times" is just plain wrong. "the new york times" has to answer the question, whether jewish or a proposed waiver, something only go if you're going to wave it. on the left is the desperate desire to protect "the new york times" editorial and protect president obama from themselves. but it's his department they did this and i think it's pretty clear what they're trying to do than robert rector at the heritage foundation is probably the best informed person on welfare reform in the country was forwarded for years and years. look, this is going to get the work requirement. as robert rector of the heritage foundation. >> host: randy, republican. >> guest: newt, i hope you remember about four years ago on the coldest morning in new york i handed you a package of my small business or genius for education, the mobile fitness facility that had a number of pictures of pre-k-12 children exercising in this mobile program. now i've been to over a thousand schools throughout the state of virginia and i've had nothing -- the reason why get there is the parents pay for me to come. so i integrated the children and the parents but pay my fee, which means all of my clients are repeat customers. but i find at the local and state level in respect to pre-k 12 health is anything innovative reducing costs and improve service is exactly what they're fighting against. know what i do as i operate a program that cost $100 an hour and i can take as many as 90 children in our what they measured outcome immediately and improve morale and health. every school i go to. sadly, that is meant nothing to republican or democrat leadership here in the state and it just doesn't make a difference but local community i name. i am battling an entrenched school board. the local owners, local school groups, teachers associations, the last thing they wanted someone to come in and out works and, helping them and provide the best facilities for the children so that they'll have the job. >> host: thanks for calling. mr. gingrich. >> guest: that's a powerful and important point. after two innovative educational technology companies, one of which had a brilliant computer is programmed for learning how to read, particularly for people who need remedial reading. the resistance of the education bureaucracy bows to new ideas into anything which reduces the work load and therefore reduces the union membership and reduce payrolls has really been very resistant to the kind of modernization, which had been for most of the rest of american society. >> host: back to presidential politics, one reviewer by twitter. should that release his tax returns? what you think of this whole debate? >> guest: harry reid is clearly not telling the truth in a surprising none of the democratic senators have said you really need -- the senate majority leader should have some minimum respect for the truth. if you check romney first began releasing documents when he first ran for governor in 2002. he's never these documents for a 10 year period and a great deal of information is available. nothing he's going to do is going to satisfy president clinton or axelrod are the democrats who want a mission. if you have a .3% unemployment, you would want any issue other than the economy. so romney just has to do what he is doing, relax, focus on issues like welfare and let the democrats talk about whatever they want to. >> host: we are still waiting for a vice presidential announcement and that romney. who should be the next vice president? >> guest: is romney's choice. it's a very personal choice because he has to pick somebody. there are four criteria, but probably before that are practical arcana person be president. it's not a ceremonial job. can the person philosophically be in the same general direction is romney quite get the person help win the election into the person help in the senate, which is the critical plays for what is happening? but there is a fifth, witches are the two compatible? the nissan 92 to surprise a lot of essays, is bill clinton and al gore have the right chemistry. in 2000, dick cheney brought george w. bush a sense of comfort about national security that really became an important part of their chemistry. when you're thinking -- romney has to decide, do they fit the subjective criteria in this and that romney comfortable? is this somebody he wants to work next year for eight years? i think he's got some great choices. senator robb portman of ohio was certainly be a possibility. congressman paul ryan of wisconsin, senator marco rubio in florida, senator kelley ayotte in new hampshire or governor susanna martinez of new mexico. a number of first-rate choices to pick from. and like everybody else i'm looking forward to the announcement. >> host: is there one your throat about? let's move on to las vegas. charles, independent caller. >> caller: good morning. yes, as far as welfare is concerned in america, we are the richest country in the world. we should note 22 million children going to bed hungry at night because they're living in poverty. all of you which vote are not paying. my question to mr. gingrich is i heard she's weak a few years ago at a college. you are being paid $60,000 an hour for her. you told these kids in college that the rich do not pay taxes. they hire attorneys and they go around the irs. were you lying are we telling the truth? we know you were telling the truth because the rich don't pay taxes, they collect taxes. that's number one. number two -- don't cut me off. i heard you say about the union, he would fire all the union janitors because i suppose you think they're making $50,000 a year is too much and you at higher children to do the work and that he would appoint one master janitor. now my question is, what is this masters name? signed and agreed? post a response from newt gingrich. >> guest: is fascinating. first on taxes, the wealthy pay much more taxes than their total share of the income. my point was if you raise the marginal rates to a high number like before ronald reagan in the 70% from 80%, with the french were doing they hire more cpu for movies and try to find ways to avoid taxes. but the natural human reaction to high marginal rates. it's fascinating the intensity of people and left. my younger daughter worked as a janitor, her first job. she went in, clean the church, restaurant, everything is a janitor and she got paid. and she was glad she had the job. she was in junior high. they gave her some money to go do something, talkers inhabit. you have a show. both of my children worked all the way through high school and college. they both are terrific lessons. they both have their businesses, both been very successful. i talk to people extraordinarily successful who started at 14, 15, 16 years of age doing something and getting paid for. my point was that you could have an opportunity, and people over the place do exactly what i'm describing. if you have an opportunity in the poorest neighborhoods in america to pages to do some work, whether the school library, cafeteria, help mop the floors, it is not all hard, heavy work that's going to be a danger. yet eighth, ninth, 10th graders who like to earn the money. i'm trying to find creative new ways to tie them back to their schools, give them a chance to win some money and get them the dignity of work rather than dependency. >> host: castlewood, virginia, >> caller: hi, good morning. right now, 56 million people drawing social security. you all want to redo it. there is a little over 13 million actual retirees. there's 9 million physically and mentally disabled kids on social security. there's 33 million disabled that are not retirement age. and i know over the years our government has $4 trillion in the security program, which has never been put back. .. >> talked about to economics and explain your position on the federal reserve. >> it should be audited audited, held accountable, how much power mr. bernanke has. the documents 2008 through 2010 should be investigated by congress. you cannot have that amount of money and power invested in one person. he has moved trillions of dollars. we need it more accountable federal reserve. we should go to a stable dollar and closer to gold. >> host: how significant is our debt right now? >> guest. we have been in this strange period. no one could have predicted. inflation is how much money is available and how it is spent. mr. bernanke has not led to inflation because it is spent so slowly. the velocity collapsed for you will see inflation almost overnight when it picks up. with this kind of environment, the largest economy in the world, people come to the u.s. to invest their money when they are scared. the morning people have an alternative to inflation starts, if you have $17 trillion you pay interest and enormous% you'll pay more for interest they and national security. it is very dangerous setting of difficult economic choices later on. >> host: mydb of presidential candidates who are experts like rob portman. speak to his ability to help. >> guest: clearly with expertise the potential that no the most are paul ryan and rob portman. the office of management budget, remarkably and broadly experienced. paul ryan probably the brightest ever to chair the committee. and with portman he comes from ohio and candid the ryan would carry wisconsin. you there one is the asset. >> caller: what about j.c. what stocks would he not even considered him? mihm media narrative republicans don't want to compromise but the system is already progressive according to the cbo tax reform would result in more income unlike the republicans who have only the average of 52 the democrats chose not to pass tax reform and 40 billion does not address the deficit because they have more spending. >> host:. >> guest: he is a great all-american and a terrific preacher with a great private sector business and so when you would want to think about but i don't think he wouldn't think of himself as being in the running. with taxes we are overspend not under tax. i am deeply opposed to giving washington anymore money. i want it to shrink. >> what is your whole of the future of the party? because one peace talks about various republicans and their role at the convention. featured donald trump, rick perry, michelle bachmann, ron paul and yourself. misses the romney campaign will have workshops nicknamed nuking rich university. >> guest: i had this conversation shortly after we suspended our campaign. 90 out there were activist all of a country in the news media is intrigued and they both want to come. and with school choice we shocked everyone because al sharpton came. also gov plenty and the head of education in arizona and very well attended covered by c-span. they have often said i eight and the idea%. but i think we will have between 10 and 12 issue oriented but less scripted from the things which are very controlled. we will put it on mine. i would rather do that thin a speech in the evening. i am a republican activist since august 1958. i am looking forward to seeing many people. it is like a family reunion. the workshops are terrific. >> host: but they said intraparty tension is high according to you. >> guest: not higher than normal. you have a party in transition. and new generation like marco rubio, richard murdock and a new generation aggressive, intense and excited that we can identify with them. this is the new enthusiasm. you will have tension. stable majority is 180 million people. 60%. you have to relax and be cheerful about it. >> host: talk about your campaign are there wonder two things that might have made a difference? >> guest: she would say figuring out earlier how to raise some money. we were outspent. and i made a mistake in trying to work with traditional consultants. i was never a traditional -- traditional candidate for our have ideas for crow three had a four month detoured at the beginning of the campaign. they did what they do not how i operate. >> host: now we have a call from north carolina is an independent. >> caller: it is a pleasure. on the corporation's, it was once a small business that earned the american dream. according to obama i could not be more dumb if i am to be vilified in hated for my success. when they raise taxes will, guest, electricity, fo od, we have to pay off of those commodities that is what i would fifth say. >> guest: i thought the speech the president gave and talked about with you did not build it. watching the olympics, yes they had coaches and friends and family but you watch michael phelps and say he put it a lot of himself to be competitive. look at sport after sport and the women in beach volleyball. i'm sure their neighbors were positive but those two women were on the beach practicing in the practice and they practice. we should encourage the next steve jobs, bill gates. but working for the red cross to. and courage my grandkids and music. we want americans to have a work ethic and obama was undermining that talent. erase prices it is a hardship the american energy opportunity to become independent who literally before the end of the decade but that will not happen with the obama's style approach. >> host: democrat to. >> caller: i watched the republican debates i now talking about the affordable care act it is important to understand talk about subsidize health care and pensions from my taxes under the federal employees according to the office of personnel management, beginning second season after a highly successful operation that retirees signed up for coverage also keep being costs down only 2%. is strange politicians put down health care that is subsidized by taxes but yet willing to push us off the we don't deserve this kind of health care our program but i vendors did they use to your program as a template to provide affordable health care. with paul ryan, if he is so great why doesn't he tear apart your program? with lifetime pensions and health care? if i am employed in then lose my job i lose my benefits. why don't you? >> congress has reformed the pension plan and it is much closer to defined contribution been defined benefit. many companies people can earn long-term benefits. congress is on medicare like everybody else. new corporation is big enough to control sale have but wide range of choices but what worries us to put power in the hands of bureaucrats so they make decisions the argument if you should have a particular test for men of prostate cancer. the leading expert said this decision sounded good in theory but would lead to the premature death of men who got the cancer. i want to stick with you and your doctor practicing appropriate medicine for you. if you look at medicaid not many voluntarily get on people -- studies indicate without health insurer -- health insurance have better comes because medicaid is so poorly run. >> host: what does national security mean to you? >> guest: my grandchildren maggie and robert should wake up every morning feeling they are safe and free and government has taken steps to preserve their freedom. developing a deterrence this is what we need to do to keep america safe. >> host: what about iran? >> it is a mess. the administration has been weak. we need a platform in may need to understand how dangerous the middle east is becoming. the egyptians are bombing their own territory around the sinai. fashion wake people up. they cannot control their own territory. a war and syria, yemen, iraq, afghanis tan, pakistan out of control, olivia at unstable. -- libya is unstable. >> host: they say syria is hard core. should there be intervention and to what degree? >> may should arm and train for the independence forces to defeat the cover and send clear signals to iran will not survive and will break under pressure to seven next the debate over muslim brotherhood in and secretary of state clinton with the headline cambridge say attacks over michelle botwin our phone eight? >> guest: is not about individual person five members of congress sent a series of letters and said we one to 10 assessment of the influence of the muslim brotherhood in your department. this month that this appropriate. they are very, very dangerous organization. tony blair concluded since 9/11 we bravely underestimated the desire of radical islamist to achieve supremacy, not toleration and the west is asleep. this was to wake us up and how intensely emotional the reaction has ben. we have a right to know those who want to replace our civilization have influence in the obama administration steve 14 mr. speaker, i have a couple of questions. the president claimed to be the president day's show last 40 years but nobody seems to explain the process howl the fiscal year end and the first nine months it is what him and nancy pelosi were spending and the omnibus bill was under bush. he is presenting that scenario under that false baseline. number two, how does the t.a.r.p money account for in that scenario? and when it is paid back where does that go into the obama numbers? >> guest: i will have to find the answer. a very good question about how we keep score. it could be loans under bush but revenue with obama. i will go look this up and i will e-mail paul ryan. but baseline is crazy imagine your children convince you to get the $2 per week increase in allowance so they deserve the $8 increase to be even. they say what about $2? wire you cutting me six? no. my baseline is eight. i hope you can follow me. this is why i want complete reform of the cbo. because it requires the baseline budget. no business has a baseline like that. you put your finger on a very sophisticated point* why washington is hard to do govern. that is a significant step. if the republicans control the senate i hope they insist on a director to fundamentally overhaul the cbo. >> host: what about the current congress? >> guest: eaker boehner and eric cantor had a hard job. with the president the was radically different from bill clinton. he was governor of arkansas. you had to work with them. even when we were fighting we knew we had to talk to each other. obama is a classic college professor. my way are no way. mr. boehner has kept his temper. then you have harry reid who has no basis for his attacks on romney. president and senate you cannot work with their trying to patiently by their time. and they want a senate who will work. >> caller: hello. i wish you were the classic college professor. i don't know if you are the most intelligent in the room but you articulate the most intelligent points. my president come a first of all, i would like someone to call this man the pander err in chief. women, a free contraception, hispanics, we lfare, a voter registration, amnesty light. it now comes with your welfare check as well as comments on the welfare to work, gay marriage marriage, environmental, xl pipeline, although bail-out and governors get stimulus money then put up signs obama's gave us money. that is a drop in the bucket but the president spends to cater to these groups. you have a bailout and a t.a.r.p. the person on the street who has no retirement or stocks or investments. i am in residential construction. i am in madison wisconsin but i am from chicago. but how you could be surprised that what he does around congress. mayor daley in the middle of the night court of a runaway in chicago because he moved to the wake front wanted fancied condominiums dot and they did not want that type of lake view he wanted. >> guest: good to hear from somebody in wisconsin. we do own one share of green bay stock. talk about welfare reform governor thompson is a key leader to make it possible. barack obama is our president. we can have big arguments but one responsibility he asked to bear the institutional presidency he weakens when welfare reform violates the law. the president should be the number one upholder of the law. the better team could be understood with chicago machine politics other they and the runover your opponent model. this is too complicated and of the country for that type of politics. i do agree. >> host: now being adjusted unemployment drops 6,000 consistent with modest gains. the future of fed job market? >> the history of the obama presidency the number of people in the work force. the biggest decline since will work to.

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