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television questioning how black you are would be mitigated at the highest level of management tyrannies business, there is that sensitivity that i believe can only be brought by having people of color, asian, hispanics at the top level so that when the equivalent of i don't worry about unemployment because i can always sell drugs. when nikon satcom to news, being it trades on the bartender or someone else come in very someone there that says this is not how it is done. let's look at the bigger picture. i leave that with you because it's relevant and receive a daily basis and i insulted as a latino when i hear someone in our community question someone else in our community because they feel they have a. that is one issue in management. >> quickly in the martin case though, did it matter to you into your coverage banal to set and the designation changed from white to hispanic? bitmap was interesting as it didn't change in the hispanic world because we never started it. >> never ended. and of the subsequent change in places like "the new york times" have an impact? >> i read it and disgusted that in spanish language was never a matter of wafers is black versus hispanic versus black. it was robert thurman. there's a picture who shot trayvon martin. you make the vision of what he is. you know, that her son is that regardless of who killed and and it didn't change anything they do quiz by some in the elite media. first the white guy, latino guy could've been a guy who i'm not sure what he is. the issue of justice doesn't change. so by taking time discussing the issue, time has passed on. >> they are preconceptions built. your viewpoint as it comes from white preconceptions. i would say hispanic preconceptions. >> maybe it's a mistake, but we didn't label it. that's a white latino and kind of a latino. how latino as he? that brings you back to your issue. [applause] >> to me that the same questions here. what happened with the change in design reveals some preconceptions in terms of doing the race quiets >> on the nbc news site received to the facts. we try to get it right because often as we can, as we know in their businesses got to be right 100% of the time. in terms of his background, his mother is peruvian. if we get into a discussion about background in terms of being bicultural in america you will come in terms of background , so now we are getting into citizenship in terms of background. as opposed to diversity. we can have a long discussion about that. i think that is what is important for us. let's get the facts straight. there is a special prosecutor who is looking into this matter. i think in this particular case there's plenty of choices out there that it important. that affects our society involves the fact we have the very important discussion and the fact this particular story was in very pizza but that i think it is important. >> it is interesting you say not very. i think it happened in late february and come to national attention for three weeks. i meant to come back and looked at this minority broadcasters and journalists were the ones who forced it to bubble up to national attention. is that your understanding? >> and i believe other networks got involved to notice that, but that is important. that is part of the discussion say 20 years ago with this have been possible? the fact that the community, the journalistic community is so much larger today when you add twitter and you had logs an empowered social of social networking in general, we have to take notice. we can't be everywhere all the time. the fact is that there's a mechanism now for us to pay attention. if we were slow, that is certainly an issue. but we certainly did respond. >> and doris, when you look at the preconceptions that give built-in camera with a retoucher buddy martin case or talk about jeremy lin, but d.c. is a journalist? it's interesting earlier today, josé vargas is on the panel and he said in the attack to, they're mostly white males in the preconception as minorities are a secondary story. that is not really where the power is accessing. d.c. preconception when it comes to talking about race and other venues? >> well, one of the things that's been striking about the trayvon martin case is the photo seems. people are have been saying that it's not how to train it looked when a document is not exactly how zimmerman looks now. so why are we using old photos of the people involved in the case. is that plane into what are preconceptions i am not a victim should look like and what somebody who is being put on public trial should look like quite so that it's another thing we have to think about just as journalists. what you continue to perpetuate by running the photo because he'd been running it for weeks? >> that's interesting. there immensity of the controversy when "time" magazine put a picture of o.j. simpson and he was a color darker than he is actually the truth of his skin tone. so the image they are once before a threatening dark skinned male. in the case you talk about, it is the contrast between the cherubic little boy trayvon martin and the little boy who was the thug life attitude in looking to handle handle he had on his face that -- was that facebook or twitter account? but much more angry attitude. the question is if you are the journalists covering the situation, why are using one picture or the other was the advance overly sensitive and use it in your head? you are saying -- >> is a good question. and to anton's point is this so much for social media so if you do not get the news you're expecting to get quirks you get the same story from all the legacy media at "the new york times" and what have you come the come the terror at their venues. but then how accurate is that how well that it is that information? >> well, the one thing i did notice in the media started playing the story differently. first of thing was a was a social media driven. the trayvon before the story became and that gives you an indication of the social media for bringing to attention stories that ordinarily wouldn't have come to the media's attention. the other thing of course is the polarization around the story that reflects just the way that the mainstream media -- and by that name in cable news and product test is particularly cable news that status become politicized. what is interesting there is if you listen to one network, msnbc come you're likely to get a story about the innocence of the victim if you're likely to watch fox, you're likely to talk about gun rights. instead they are appealing to two different audiences and that suggests to me that there doesn't appear to be matched is an attempt to really deal with the core of the story that things are so politicized that it's difficult to stick to the facts. >> another rights people cater to the audience. they are based on what those executives think that the audience wants to hear. >> sure that's perfectly rational economically because if you're in the news business today, you're not going to try to convert your audience to a different point of view. you're going to pretty much cater -- >> or talk to antoine eakin is your job is to get it right the first time. >> let me jump in. i think you're talking about reverend sharpton as his viewpoint is widely known. we don't pretend you think it's anything other than his opinion. on the other hand the nbc news family also includes kerry sanders who is covering the story. he's been covering all day today. and sticking to the facts. so we don't pretend to be some thing or something else. we know who reverend sharpton is. we talked to reverend sharpton. we had a discussion in terms of what he would like to advocate and talk about any views are widely known. they've always widely known. >> the argument would be he is the host of the program, but also not very in terms of the story pitcher covering. and it's not a conflict of interest a think as a way how he wrote about the credit. >> it's an opinion and effectively he is advocating his point of view. so as long as he is above board in terms of where he stands, that is a discussion we have sinned. i think it is more important when we have a discussion like this to know where the person stands in the clear to that is supposed to advocating something that isn't clear to the audience. >> well, contrary point might be that pat buchanan contract laughed at her brother racially charged book left when he suggested white and are the ones who created this country and they are being disrespected and on and on. what is the difference between buchanan and sharpton from your mind? >> well, number one, mr. buchanan was a contributor to msnbc. mr. sharpton has a show. i think there is a distinction there. intensive mr. buchanan's viewpoints, they're now in its contract walk into that, but there's a parting of ways if you will. in terms of reference sharpton if are going to get to that issue, it can his viewpoint is widely known. i think it is an important part of the discussion. but it's hard to quit nbc news does, it is also important to get not only the other side, but can't journalism down the middle. >> and when you hear this discussion in terms of the difficulty of creating impartial, neutral, accurate coverage, is there anyone point this solution you would offer? spared earlier managers who have too imagined people to say you know, everybody is competing to be managers at the top of the food chain. what would you say? how do you deliver on coverage that is not racially charged? you're coming with racial preconceptions that we heard about earlier. >> i mean, it's foolish you can leave for a set out of the discussion. earlier today they talked about how the post-racial america, a discussion starting now. so we just have to be mindful of the various viewpoints i think. and i think that to joses point, we have to bring in more managers. when people say there isn't someone who is qualified to be in those positions, are they looking hard enough in going to the organization such as mine, there are numerous others that are pipelines of qualified journalists with different backgrounds. we don't been ethnic diversity. this multiple kinds of diversity that were lacking in newsrooms anymore. you don't tend to have a lot of people from low-income backgrounds because you just don't. the people don't tend to go to journalism without a high-paying gig to begin with and on a certain level, we also promote people from high-end journalism school. you can't get a journalism job was some sort of degree. so it's a push and pull. had we get that diversity into the newsroom? matters have to be mindful of have to bring a people from diverse backgrounds to become managers. they are the ones who make the decisions. >> before we go to questions come i just wanted to come to this idea that we begin this conference with, which is this proportion would be younger cohort of the american demographic, much heavier in terms of people of color, immigrants, older end of the demographic take much more weight. the people who watch news in america are not younger people. the older, whiter audiences that dominate in terms of news consumption. is there any basis that they will of course news coverage will come from a white -- a basis of white viewers because they are the ones that are buying the products. >> you know, i think going back to an earlier point, i wasn't trying to suggest that the media were necessarily racialized been an issue cautiously, that inadvertently they resorted cater towards their audiences with certain topics. both say they were relevant. as to the point about the age of the yacht and, it is true that the one thing that has happened is we have a smaller accidental audience right now. and afterwards, most of my students don't consume the news. in fact, if you trick them into actually reading the news. i actually make them read the news so they can report on it. they're just not interested. and so, to the extent that the audience that is still interested in the news is largely, demographically pulled -- not to polarize, but made up of a certain group of people. i think it is inevitable that the news coverage, for a book, a atlantis returned to follow stories that should do the tough issues, which reflects an aging population. so i don't know what the future is going to be about, the way the news will cover it. we are sorted in a a transitional moment right now and so it's difficult to tell it not clear where things will go, but clearly it would be kind of a menu-driven format i think. >> people pick what they want to hear and read and watch. and exactly how that's commercially sold. >> then the challenge of making sure that it is racially not exacerbating the worst racial attitudes becomes the problem. >> yeah, i go back to retrieve trayvon martin case. the reason i think it is such big news is that effective, who was middle-class. i think every tracks the frustrations of black middle-class. it was really touching and shocking that these stories that i've read and written by columnist who, when they have a talk with their kids, it is not about sex, but how if you are a black male, that this is how you behave in public and that it must be very tiring to go through that exercise. certainly the students who i have to come from the backgrounds a part of the difficulty of being black middle-class design exhausted all the time because they feel like i'm being watched all the time. >> so your point intriguing to me as though we are talking about his black middle-class consumers of media also voices in media impact the coverage. it was poor blacks, that is the home of a ball of? and less likely to get a pension or to leave in house preconception challenge. no one is challenging preconceptions about poor blacks in america. >> in this particular case or not they could cut as much attention as it did have trayvon pardoned in black middle-class. >> of course we have microphones there for anyone who is not asleep, you are welcome to comment and ask a question. please go right ahead. >> hi, i am format and i'm a graduate of of illinois at chicago circle. your last comment is what i wanted to talk about. i hear complaints all the time at chicago about the number of african-american males that are just been killed on a breakaway basis. and how much is that cowherd either in chicago or throughout the national news media? >> this is fascinating because when he started out come you are talking about the nightly news and the kind of carnage, typically in low-income areas that gets covered. but what you just heard from her question is well, actually people don't pay significant attention to the high murder rate in the black community of black on black crime that goes on daily, but they will just have this little thing about another person got shot in a drive-by in the south side yesterday, ray? i don't know why -- >> that's a slip between national news and local news. local news is ritualistic and believe it is really simple to cover, based on advertising but i won't get into, if you look at the national news, it turns out white victims are much unlikely to be publicized in crime stories. why that is the case, i am not sure. >> come on. why you say white girl get more attention when she is kidnapped? >> i'm being somewhat facetious. but to your point, the stories are covered in chicago and part of the south side of the city is lots and lots of violence there. it's never fully explained. it just happens and it's not identified as being racial because the audience can now read the code but it is another was the research that has been done and was done earlier about reporting showed lack in white crime where blacks were somehow depict it has been much but likely to be guilty than whites. if the coverage is sort of pulled back from being racialized. the audience can certainly read it and even experiments all you need to say is the word inner city and people automatically change their political preference is. so there is in the audience that somehow -- a mix of the audiences looking for the racial cue. >> it recognizes it. they wanted or is it being imposed by the storyteller? >> i don't think the artists necessarily wants it. i think it is an easy cover kind of story. the police department provides it. it's a reliable source of stories. i don't think it's any more complicated than not and certainly no investigative stories explained why it is the case there's violence. periodically there are stories about drugs and gangs and how gangs with territorial fights cause there's violence in which other people are caught up innocently. there's no particular particular context of this. and in that respect it has become constant and to that extent almost ritualized. >> he made a decision and sent something about advertisers for local news. why is there a difference in terms of the advertiser appetite and local versus national news when it comes to racial preconception? >> at the legal news and correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't it true that local stations get all the advertising revenue for the news that the post is getting like, for example, showing that were programs? so that is why local news is so important to a station in to the extent that they can recover a lot of their cause by getting out their advertising revenue and keeping all of it to the extent that they can keep costs low that factors into the way stories are covered. >> keep costs low by covering a corner shooting, even if it has the racial message that it's traveled to the same away from it. >> you also never see investigative reporting going into that kind of story. >> okay we have a question from the audience. >> great panel. my name is joe and i was thinking i've had times up her and that print journalism field and have lost jobs and people are talking about how the news media is in flux. and it brought up by saying joée antonio hart has mentioned it earlier about this so absent or this new moment of the media. since we talk about the state of grace, do you have any thoughts on sort of the new version is forms of media as it pertains to how different communities received news? >> so doris, do you find people in asian american community are receiving a different head of news stories from people in the white community are black community? >> i don't think that's necessarily the case. there's been a tradition of nick news media among asian communities. other studies will show you that asian-americans will be the most plugged in in terms of mobile devices that threshold for use of mobile is a lot lower than buying a laptop or desktop computer. so you'll be reach out of lower income families, people don't have internet at home because you'll be able to get into the them on a device that can take with them and we quickly as a low-cost special thing. but it is still an issue of what you the people to gather the news quakes were to get people to give you the information? there is a project that asian-american journalists association undertook in chinatown and it was really an issue of tenure porting something happening not just on my street, but in my building and that's what people care about. they don't care as much about like traffic and another part of the city because it doesn't affect them directly. so you have people really hungry for news that is. directly affecting their daily lives. you are seeing more entrepreneurial because it is a low threshold point of entry. you have to buy a multimillion dollars company. so i think there's lots of opportunities out there for people to reach out to and is thirsty for the information. >> so news coverage becomes highly racialized if every niche has its own set of voices in terms of the events. so there's an asian-american community online and commenting on the trayvon margin case, the hispanic community has its own point of view, the older a community coming younger, so everything just gets fragmented. >> but she still had room for the big media, legacy media. exactly. but they are kind of there to be the filter for all of it. they are the big land. we are not necessarily going to see things on the other side of the world. but another resources for afghanistan. >> you want them to pay attention. cnet buy the doughnuts time to cover issues in chinatown. in many ways it the to oversimplify if you're only going to get your news from one place or one blog is just big universe now is so much larger. but it should not replace the good housekeeping seal of journalists and. you still need the entities to cover the big stories for you. you want to go hyper local, it is a tremendous opportunity today and there's some wonderful journalist that created their metro website that cater exactly to what needs they have on a daily basis. but i think most groups are highly plugged in and you simplify that the only limit ourselves to the creole commotions a tremendous website that we co-own. that is one part of the universe that folks pay attention to. >> to leave another question? >> outside to make a quick plug for a study that was sad for the news two years ago, which showed that only 20 seconds -- 20 seconds are devoted to hard-core news on most local stations in the los angeles area and this was across a thousand half hours news that were dragged. >> 22 minutes? >> 22 seconds and a half hour news shows comes on. so then the question and the maturity went to sports entertainment and crime stories. so is like to raise the question i raised earlier again, how do we have a conversation about race when it is divorced from public interest, when it is divorced from the concerns that we should be covering in the news is all you have is 22 seconds to read the issue. thank you. >> we are going to finish up now. i just wanted to ask you again, andy, what if you've been learning about preconception? >> well, i go back again to my class. it is sort of a high moments of my classes and i showed them a documentary cause hoop dreams, which follows the careers of these two kids to begin on the west side of chicago into very poor areas, which is kind of a developmental school for say isaiah thomas. and how these kids were select it from school grounds by talent scouts for their basketball prowess. and if you happen to be select a two acres school magically, the athlete also became gifted academically. so they begin to sort of understand this sort of long causal change that sort of leads to what you would -- what you see as ordinary reality that she don't be critically anymore because it is just there. and that is the point that i think the news center ritualistically sort of makes -- it kind of ignores us to the things that could have caused everything to happen to what we perceive now. >> you are talking here of the larger social economic or political structure. the news doesn't cover that on a regular basis. >> i don't think it is setup to do that, so i'm not blaming the news for not doing it. people rely strictly on the news for their pictures at the world. their pictures of the road will be racialized because the world is racialized. >> the question becomes then how do you maintain fairness i guess because you got to cover race. >> i think what we have learned is that it is an ongoing issue of education. some said why are we still having this conversation? we had this conversation in the organization was formed and because we still left at the conversation we still have people who don't understand why you seem to work in the headline is not a perv. then in the context of why you're using that word. it's an ongoing issue in the consulate had to push for my diversity and in management. >> antoine, where are you not just at nbc, but as a news manager in trying to ensure as you put it so wonderfully that she don't want to be wrong one time? >> that's right. you've got to work hard at it and i wanted to follow-up on 11 thing that you type it out. are we going to grow diversity on the side to know we get it right because if you've got the right diversity, we are better to deal with these issues. we have been working extra hard with our diversity councils on the inside to widen the spy plane. we've got entry-level positions that really foster and allow folks of all income levels, from all levels in all kinds of ethnic backgrounds to get a shot at looking inside of the newsrooms. so while we tracked folks from certain journalism schools is not a deal killer. it means they've got a place in our news remember working extra hard to get folks in there. >> already. antoine, andy, thank you so much for joining us and for being a great audience. >> thank you, one. so we have gone the full circle as today and we started with dr. jackson's discussion of democratic trends, showing us the cultural gap between the white older population and the emerging minority population. we looked at political fact cherries and found that there is no escaping, it looks like, the race will be a part of the election, that it will inevitably find itself into the election that the latina and asian and african-americans also be significant voters in that election. the question will be turnout. another look more specifically at the latino vote which we found very nuanced. and it looks like 25% of the latino vote is very much in play. but we also found both parties had their problems. it wasn't just the republican rhetoric is showing up so strongly in the primaries, the president to bomb its and deportation had left a scar but then the latino community. so again the question of turnout would be significant. we looked into identity and very rich dialogue about that and i guess my conclusion there is as it says we're never going to go back to that america the people long for. what was it -- is that your father's oldsmobile anymore? file, we are not in your father's america anymore and perhaps this election might even be kind of a referendum to recall him the of the role to white straight male, not just the african-american president. we gotten into education and looked at how low expectations to people of color can undermine their educational future. look at the importance of not only teachers, but the teaching facilities, the importance of choice and equity. equity -- first of all you have to evaluate what works and any applicable and allocating resources. and finally, the discussion of news media coming full circle again to this idea of if you're going to have a rich coverage of news that included all of america and the newsrooms and management, that could develop america. and the discussions someone of without power fractional ovation of the audiences can change, may be pushing raise to a more important or into the four. but in the end, you need to educate not only the audience, but the newsroom itself. but we thank everybody for participating, for moderating. terrific job. josé did a terrific job. we thank again our colleagues and friends at the comcast corp. to make this possible. i want to thank again my own staff and kiana williams who is a senior project manager and really drove this whole project together. thank you all. hot not [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> once the lookout buzzer sounded and cited an iceberg ahead, they struck the battles three times, dean, dean, and gain, which is a warning saying there's some object that. it means that if the ship. it doesn't say the kinds of options. but the lookout then did after they struck about, we went to mast to hold down to the officers approached to tell them what it is that they saw a. and when the phone was finally answered, the entire conversation was, what do you see? and the response was iceberg right ahead. and the response from the officer was thank you. >> nikki haley is the first theme of governor south carolina. the second indian-american governor in the u.s. she talked about her memoir, set up to at the american enterprise institute for 45 minutes. >> thank y >> well, thank you arthur. it's a real privilege to behis m here. ime yesterdaythis t got me around a few beingned questioned so hopefully he can elevate things a little bit. but it's a privilege to be herei because it's just s a wonderful book and arthur attached on youd personal story. i brought with me two of myink s daughters today because they think it is so important for uso above us to be able to spend time with strong, competent competent leaders, and because i think that your experience rely put leaders women. i want to start with a story you tell in the book about the general election when you were running for governor. you talk about one of your opponents, attorney general mcmaster. the extent to which your battle is over with him in the early stages of the primary, you told him you admired him and what i really liked was how he then began introducing you at your campaign events. you described in the book that henry would introduce me as if i were headlining lollapalooza. as the poet tom petty says, with his voice rising to a dramatic pitch, you could stand her up at the gates of hell, and she won't back down. i thought you could start today by talking about where your spirit to fight comes from and your spirit to stand up and do what's right. >> everything good about me i got for my parents. everything negative about linking from other places. but i will tell you that i started every speech, and i continue to say, i am the proud daughter of indian parents that reminded us every day how lucky we are to live in this country. i was born in a small southern town, 2500 people. my parents came here, my mom and dad -- the small southern town didn't know what to make of us and we didn't know what to make of them. what i will tell you if this is the story of a lot of challenges. challenges of being a minority family in a southern town could challenges of being different, knowing that your different but why your parents tell you why to be proud of being different. challenges in the state race, challenges in the governor's race, and challenges as we go forward. my parents always wanted us to understand that what makes you different makes you special. also the fact that this small southern town, it is part of the same state that elected a 38-year-old indian american female or governor. what does that say about south carolina? what is it say about the country? how far have we come? that is really the story behind it. we all go through challenges. it's how you handle the challenges. all of the challenges were blessings. it was a blessing in disguise, because i know that i have the strength and i don't back down because every time you go through a challenge, you are amazed at what you can overcome. >> in addition to those challenges, you talked about your parents telling you that you don't complain about challenges. you saw them. you have another great story, which is the mother of a 12-year-old, i particularly love -- your mom had started a small business in the living room of your home. the accountant was leaving, and the story they tell is that you happened to be strolling out of the kitchen, 12 year old nikki haley, enter mother grabbed you and said train her how to do this. i don't think many people now. i didn't know until i read your book, at the age of 12 and 13, you were the accountant for your mom's business. >> the business was grown out of that house. it was actually now doing very well at the time. she said, i have to train someone. i'm going to be leaving in two weeks, and i happen to be walking out of the break room, and my mom said -- i want you to train her. she said i can't train her, she's 13. she said the train her, she will do it. i was doing payrolls, taxes, a general ledger, i was paying bills and making deposits -- i didn't know until i got to college that that wasn't normal. but i tell people that that was my mom and dad's way of saying they did not want me to know the limitations of age and gender, and they didn't want me to know the limitations of being indian. they said whatever you do, be grayed out and make sure people remember you for it. it was at that point that i shaped the value of a dollar and what it means for the private sector. it is so hard to make a dollar and so easy for government to take it. the philosophies and beliefs that i have are things that i lived. it is not because i was told what to believe, i truly lived it and understood what the hardships of small businesses were. >> if you jump ahead a little bit to your very first political race. if you go into just about any nursery school in america today, and probably around the world, you will see that the little girls are running circles around little boys. i say that as a proud mom of both girls and boys. but the girls are running the place. so i have often wondered what happens? why is it that women are not yet running the world? i think part of it is diversion. if you look at a story of your 2004 race, the fact that you could not find a consultant to take your money, you had everybody telling you not to do it, don't do it. what was the biggie b. the competence to say this is the right thing to do? was at ignorance? >> i think it was a couple of things. i think it was the fact that that i saw as a businessperson, and wondered why we didn't have more business people in the date house. i also had a mom that said quit complaining and do something about it. i said that i would run for the state house. i didn't know you were not supposed to run against a 30 year incumbent primary. once i got in from the only option was to win. what was surprising was we went through a series of consultants, and i remember telling a friend -- i have this money and no one will take my money. one consultant said that you are too young, you have small children, you need to look at school boards. you don't need to run for state house. another consultant said that your dad goes to that temple, there are less than 1% indian, you cannot win this district. there were a lot of chance. one of the interesting things was what really turned me over to do this was i was at the firm institute and hillary clinton was the speaker. she was there giving a speech to a few hundred people, and she said that everybody is going to tell you why you shouldn't do it. and that is all the reasons why you should. i will tell you that anybody who says i can't bear it, it only motivates me more. i didn't see young moms running for office. i didn't see a lot of women. i didn't business people running for office. that really was more what many see that we need more people. the reason i wrote the book is that after i won the governor's race, so many people said after seeing what you went through, i would never run for office. that was the total opposite of what i wanted them to take from my race. yes, we ran through the challenges, but look what i'm able to do now in south carolina. i'm able to actually move the ball. i don't think there is any reason why we don't see a lot of women -- women just don't run. they just don't run. we need more women in office, more real people in office. more business people. we don't need these people who have thought all their life about being a politician, we need people who have lived their life's. >> you immediately once you got into the state house, you started insisting on transparency and how the legislators were voting, you ran into a firestorm. >> it was one of those that when i first got into office, no one knew what to make of me. i have defeated their friends. no one wanted to share an office with me, share a desk with me -- there happened to be another person who had defeated the majority leader. we were the two outsiders, and we became just makes and office mates and it worked out great. i saw a lot of things that i thought were wrong when i got there. one was in south carolina, legislators didn't have to show their votes on the record. all the voting was by voice vote. i watch this build it right across the desk, and they said they were increasing our taxes for themselves. all in favor say aye, all opposed say nay. there was. i rented the speaker, and i said we are republicans. what did we just do? i don't understand. the next day i went and i said, i am filing a bill that says anything important enough to be debated on the floor of the house or senate is important not for legislators to know how they vote. our leadership said put the bill away. we don't need to have it. we will decide what the public needs to see and what they don't. i have my husband in the room. stand up and wave, let everyone see her. i remember saying that night if i can't get legislators to vote on the record, i don't need to be here. i made it decision -- he made a decision to fight anyway. i took on the fight. i went across the state and said did you know of all bills passed, only 8% from the record? did you know of all bills passed in the senate, only 1% is on the record? then i said if you didn't know how the legislators in the house voted92% of the time -- he didn't know how your senators voted 99% of the time -- south carolina was astonished. >> what was interesting was that was my fourth year in office, and my first year in office i was chairman of the freshman class, second year i was majority, dirtier i was put on a powerful business committee, and my fourth year i was subcommittee chair of banking. the year that i wouldn't put that bill away. the year that i thought it the votes needed to be showed on the record. he stripped me of everything. they took away all the power i had. while the leadership was showing this is what we do in the club, i was showing legislators this is what happens when we step out of line. so i ran for governor. [laughter] >> and i am proud to say that within our first couple of months, i signed a bill that every legislator chose their vote in the state of south carolina, and it shows their vote on every section of the budget. [applause] >> it was in that governor's race that you faced some of the most hateful and shameful attacks. i think, just to give a site into this book, anyone who is thinking about running for office, they should read the whole book. at a minimum, they should read the bottom of page 151 and goes to page 152. governor haley says -- she talks about those attacks, and says that all of her old instinct to fight through the adversities, to prove myself to skeptics and critics started to come alive. while some will be using this is a chance to destroy me and my family, i would use it to strengthen myself and protect my family. i think it is one of those points that may seem obvious, but so much of politics today can be so nasty. the decision -- to say not just that i'm going to ignore it, but to take the attack and use it to make you stronger is really brilliant. i would like to talk a little bit about that. how did you decide you are going to fight through this and not let them take you down? >> the interesting thing was i was nikki haley for most of the race. what we did have is a conservative message. i have a lot of passion, and we had a grassroots movement. as i was going across, none of the other candidates work knowledge in me. then they started to see movement. the second that [inaudible] said we were number one in the polls was in about three or four days. i looked at michael, and we celebrated for all of five minutes, then i said something was going to hurt. something had happened. within four or five days, it was everything under the sun that came out. what they don't understand is that only motivated me to fight more. it was everything in politics. that's what they were trying to do. what i was going to show them is that i was not going to be distracted. i told him it was absolute lies, it was false, and i told him this is exactly why we need to look at somebody new for governor. and it worked. >> and i wonder how many of those consultants who wouldn't take your money back in 2004 have since been back around trying to knock on your door? >> they are my best friends now. [laughter] >> sitting here where we are today in washington dc, the idea of the damage that washington can do around the country and the damage that the federal government can do, in particularly, this administration, can sometimes be theoretical. as governor of south carolina, you have experienced it firsthand. arthur mentioned the battle with the national labor relations board. it is a stunning story. a story that has a good ending, but i think it would be helpful if you talk about that fight you had to wage. >> coveting coming into the governorship, i knew that we would have to deal with issues. i knew that we had to reform government. what i never knew is that the hardest part about my job would be the federal government. we passed the illegal immigration reform, the department of justice stopped us. we passed a voter id to show picture id, the department of justice stopped us. now we are getting ready in the next couple of weeks to pass a bill that says if you're going to get on unemployment benefits, you have to pass adjustment. i am expecting a fight there. what i never thought we would see is the most un-american thing, which is this great american company and said we're going to put a plan in south carolina. created a thousand new jobs in south carolina. at the same time, expanded their employment in washington state by 2000. not one person was hurt, yet president obama and the national labor relations board said they couldn't do it. an american company did then i watched resident obama give that speech in front of the joint session of congress and he said i want to see things made in america. i remember saying, i have some planes, i'm trying to have you make in charleston, south carolina, and are stopping them. god bless the fact that we had an election year, we have a president that is nervous, and that suit got locked down. but what was once 1000 employees in going is now 600 employees and going. they are getting ready to roll out on the runway this spring. that is what america is about. when we move out of the way and let the private sector work. >> we move ahead now to 2011. your decision early on to endorse governor romney. it is clear in the book that governor romney endorsed you. he is someone you have a lot of respect for. but it was a decision that was controversial, especially among the tea party. not all of them were so happy to support him. talk about how you made the decision and how you felt about the criticism that came from your supporters. >> a lot of it was that i knew that i needed a partner in the white house. what i knew is that i didn't have it. i couldn't do the will of the people. i was not having that. i tried to think of what i wanted. michael and i sat down and we tried to figure out how we were going to decide. we had so many candidates. i did a report card on the legislators. i got the report card out and said unto them michael said why don't you do a report card on the candidate's? what i knew is that i did not want anyone who had anything to do with the chaos of washington. we have seen where it has gotten us, and i wanted someone outside of washington. the second thing is that i wanted somebody who knew what it was like to create jobs, someone who knew what it was like to start a business and also knows what it's like when it fails. then i wanted results. i looked at governor romney and sought that he was a governor that went into a democratic state, liberal state, and was an executive who cut taxes 19 times. what if we had that in washington? on top of that, was the fact that i knew him, i knew his family, i knew where they were, i knew how he wasn't just a candidate that wanted to win. this is someone who had thought for the last four years how we would handle the situation had he been president. all of those things together let me know that that was the right person. now, going in, i felt like i needed to do what was right that would allow me to sleep at night. i was very comfortable with that. the tea party was a great support to me. i am a huge fan of the tea party, because they are not a party at all. they are republicans, democrats, and independents who have said they had enough. what they want is someone who understands the value of the dollar. they want someone who is understands that government works for the people and not the other way around. they want someone to understand that the protections and freedoms and liberties matter. the first thing i did was sat down with governor romney and said i had tough questions to ask you. i said i don't want mandatory health care in the state of south carolina. i said we cannot afford it and we don't want it. and he said on the first day i will repeal it. what we did in massachusetts work for massachusetts. i would never do a federal national mandate. i said that i need to know that if i passed the legal immigration reform in south carolina or any bill, that the federal government is not going to stop the will. he said i was a governor of the state. you have to be able to governor state without the federal government getting in the way. i will always support those things. that was really what got me. it was tea party values that i asked them questions on, and i got responses back. i can tell you that while some members of the tea party might be disappointed come you can't please everybody all the time. but there is no one or two people that speaks for the tea party. that's what makes them great. they are not a label, they don't vote in a block. they have independent thinking, and they did that. you will see even in the state of south carolina, i'm very confident that governor romney will be the nominee. i believe that i really did the right thing. >> how you account for the fact that he was able to carry south carolina even after the endorsement. >> south carolina has very strong, independently minded people. i get asked all the time if i took that personally. no, that is what i love about people of south carolina. they will do what they want to do. i respect them to do that. and i also appreciate the fact that they respect that i decided on who i wanted to endorse. i was comfortable with it. >> i know you have said publicly, definitively it sounds like, that you are not interested in being on the ticket if the governor asked you. but what about a cabinet vote? >> e. hailey would be a great secretary of labor. g do everything to yourself that u will make a difference in a much larger scale? there to >> my decision, and when youisi, read all of thed challenges we went through to become gov aern, the people of south carolina took a chance on me. for me thator m people trust their government.ot i made a commitment to them, i nt to ma have a job to finish. i want to make them proud.dent o whether it is vice president or a cabinet position, i appreciat. the job that was given to me. and i love being governor, and i will fight for the nominee in every way to show how it has her carolina and hal we have been through things. >> i want to ask you one last question before we open up to the audience. that is about women. you have a chapter dedicated to strong conservative women, governor palen, we are in the midst by the mainstream media and other party, i would like you to talk about your perception of that and your perception of the role of women going forward for the country, not just for parties. >> i'm a huge fan of women. i think that we are great. i think what the issue really is that not enough women are running. we need more women in office. we have great experiences, we are moms, daughters, sisters. we went through a lot. i would love to see more women and office. i think it is just that women tend to second-guess themselves. they think about their families first and think about what if this or that happens. what i will say to women is that we will be a better country when we have more in office. we will be better for that. governor palen is a perfect example -- she came to the state and i tell this story in the book. we are sitting and talking and yes, we are comparing shoes and boots and talking about all those things, but we talked about family and leadership. she said when you start to wind, they are going to come after you. she said after you become governor, it is never going to top. she was so right. i just saw her a couple of days ago and you were so right. it never stops. for us, what we have to do, is say our message. don't get distracted. are they going to try to block it, absolutely. we are tough and we are confident we are smart. we will continue to prove that there is no amount of attacks that are going to stop us. we're going to keep on fighting and keep on winning. i think that is the biggest message of the day. we are not going to [inaudible]. we are going to prove the results. >> the point you make in the book so well as we are about opportunities. >> we are. >> the issues women care about is the jobs and the economy and making sure kids can go to school and the kids are safe. those are all areas that will be better off. >> it is interesting, the mainstream media wants to label us as being one issue voters. we care about the jobs and economy and health care and all those rings. we are very thoughtful in the way we think about it. that is exactly right. i think that the media is actually afraid of women, and i will tell you that i wear heels, it's not for a fashion statement, it is ammunition. >> on that note, ammunition is always a good place to end. the governor will be happy to take any questions folks have about the book or anything ousts. >> yes. >> there are people walking around with microphones. >> i would like to ask you what would you say to republicans who feel that mitt romney is not conservative but not. ve credent >> there are questions about his conservative credentials,vatism? of the questions that i asked them as well. i asked him about family, and he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman. i am strongly pro-life, not because the party tells me to be, but because michael was adopted and we had difficulty having our children. i asked him about that. if you look at his -- and i questioned him on that. if you look at his record as governor, he always voted on the side of life and took action on the tide of light. there's not one time when he didn't. what i will tell you is that as we are going through this process, people are really looking at what they want and they are doing the right thing. that is the great part of our democracy. what we all agree on regardless of who that republican candidate is that they may be supporting, we all know what we don't want. that is what we have had for the past three years. i think everybody will come back to that in the end. >> my question is about indian americans. how you can bring that part of the world to america. obama is investing so much money. he took the budget from nine to $15 billion. [inaudible question] we have given 1700 [inaudible]. [inaudible question] it is costing us 400 -- [inaudible]. [inaudible question] if you are offered a job with mitt romney, would you accept a? >> first, i will start with the first part of your question, which is -- i educate people on the greatness of the indian community. i am incredibly proud. indians are great at medicine and business and education and teaching. all of that. the one thing that they had lacked on is being involved in government and politics. in the next generation, you will see that we are starting to realize that we have to have that role. we have to have that voice. whether it is bobby jindal or others around the country that have chosen to get into office, that is a good thing. the other thing i want for people to know about the indian community is that it is one of the minorities that is the highest educated and highest or kappa of any minority in the country. it is one of the minorities that is the least dependent on government assistance. the one i love -- we're the one minority that is the most solid of any minority in the country. those are all things i'm incredibly proud of. what we are taught growing up is the best way to appreciate god's blessings is to give back. you see that through service and through charity. getting into what i would do it about accepting a position -- i'm not going to do anything but be a great governor in south carolina. what we have seen with president obama is that he really goes back to that new deal concept that government can fix all things. we have seen more debt with president obama in three years than we saw with president bush in eight years. that is what we are trying to change. we have to get out of this debt. i care about that for my children and grandchildren. we have not spinning. if you're going to ask every other governor in the country to balance the budget, washington has to do so as well. that is at the heart of everything we're talking about. they need to tell us where they need to spend. on foreign relations, the hot night situation says it all. we do not know what he is thinking from a foreign affairs standpoint. and that is scary. >> governor haley, you talked about immigration. i think the republican party commitment to enforcing the rule when it comes to illegal immigration is valid and commendable. but i think the other part of the equation gets left out a little bit. could you talk about how the republican party needs to change both its perception among the public and voters, as well as subsequent policy issues on what we can do for legal immigration in this country? >> and we passed eight legal immigration reform in south carolina. unfortunately, president obama is not letting us enforce that. as the daughter of immigrant parents who came here legally, they put in the time and money and came here the right way, they are offended by people who don't come the right way. a second thought is that we are a country of law. the data we stop becoming a country of law is when we lose everything that makes us great. what do i think? i think we need to enforce our illegal immigration laws. but we also need to look at expanding our work hours in the situation. immigrants are what make this country great. we need their expertise, we need their research. we need the technologies that they're able to bring. that we need to do all of that legally. there are two sides to it. i think that the republicans probably could go talk about the fact about yes, we do want immigrants. we want them legally. we do think that they are valuable. i think they probably need to stress that as much as they stress that they don't want illegal immigration. >> i just had a quick question about having read some chapters of your book and i was wondering, if you felt any sort of shared experience with president obama, given that he came from not the most ideal situation to be in office. being an african-american and growing up in difficult circumstances. did you feel a shared experience of any sort, or would you say that his party is blocking that? >> of coarse not. what i hope that my story tells, what i hope that everybody feels is the pride of living in this country. the one thing my parents said over and over again was only in this country can you be anything you want to be and no one's going to get in your way. president obama is proof of that. i am proof of that. look at any entrepreneur that started from challenges and how they became successful. we have examples across the country in business and education and sport and politics. that is the highlight of this country. that is what we need to grasp onto. i want people to be proud of where we live. i am proud of where we live. my parents are proud of where we live. party or no party, nobody can take that away from us. >> a question for you, governor. if the affordable health care act survives in the supreme court, what impact will that have on your state's budget, the increased medicaid spending that the law requires? >> our state along with every other state will be devastated. what you'll see in south carolina alone, our annual budget is $5 billion. the affordable health care act will cost us 5 billion over 10 years. we cannot afford it. we will go bankrupt. the part about health care that we need to understand is i strongly believe the individual mandate is unconstitutional. the second side is that i believe that states are the best to make these decisions. what i would like to see is for washington to be able to let us decide the best way to spend the money. south carolina is not like california or texas or michigan. all of the states -- we have different issues. in south carolina, our issues are education and poverty. i know what we were given that money, we would spend less money. we would be more effective on how we treat our patients. if the affordable health care act goes into place. you will see a lot of private-sector companies pay the penalty and throw it to government. we will see less quality in health care and higher costs. the goal of every say right now is how do we get the most help for the least amount of money? what i'm asking is don't tell me how to do it. what we are trying to do in succulent is make sure their are transparency with the patient to the doctor and the doctor to the insurance company. if we were to treat health care like we treated getting our oil changed at the car dealership or maintenance shop, what would have been? you go in, you tell them what you want, they show you the list of things you're getting ready to pay for, you sign it and then you do it. if people actually got involved in their health care decisions, if they were able to say at the dennis, i don't want the fluoride and i don't want to pay that or i don't want to pay the $10 on a tylenol, look at how much we would save and how much more involved we would be. we wouldn't want certain tests or need certain medications. we actually do a lot of things that doctors tell us to do, and 50% we would not do if we knew the costs associated. my hope is that we learned a great lesson from this. i think the lesson is that we need to address health care, every state needs to do it and do it individually with their own programs and plans, not because it's mandatory. >> yes. >> i hope this question doesn't come off shallow. you mentioned high heels, and i know women in government pays a lot of critique for what they were and how they style their hair, whether it is pilloried clinton growing her hair out or sarah palen's close costs. i'm curious if you think much about how your dressing, how you're presenting yourself and if you gotten any flak from that. >> i will tell you that the thing that surprises me is how much people won't let you forget about what you look like. continental tire announced their largest investment in north america in a small town called sumter. we went there for the announcement. it was either continental tire or austin candy. either way, it was a great economic development. there were lots of jobs. one of the stories they talked about was did you see the governor's shoes? i was shocked by that. the number of people that e-mail me and ask, why don't you where it hangs? you don't look finished. it is because i'm allergic to metal. i can't do that. but i will tell you, again, it goes back to there are not enough women in office. you have hillary clinton. they talk about her hair and clothes. sarah palen went through that. they talked about her glasses and suit. i go through that. but you just have to laugh it off. what we have to do is work a little bit harder. what we have to do is make sure that we focus on the results. it is not what they say, it is what we do. it is about the job and the reforms that we do. i could make jokes, that i had a completely male senate. but it is all in fun. we can't take it too seriously. we just have to take it in stride. >> in the back? over their? >> you router self out of the presidential ticket. you called allen west a good option. i was wondering if you could elaborate more on why you would recommend him if your topic is him and if he could talk about other people we met them at first of all, i'm not recommending anybody. i'm not qualified to do that. what i was saying is that the people that have been mentioned, and all of those people had been mentioned as vice presidential nominees. i think there will be a slew of people. i mentioned that allen west had come up, chris christie had come up, marco rubio has. what i said is the vice presidential candidate, i'm not worried about that at all. we have great people. we will have a great vice presidential candidate. but i also don't know that i'm the one who needs to recommend who that should be. i think that mitt romney will have a tough time. i think whatever it is, it will excite people and whoever it is will be a good partner for the ticket. >> we have time for one more question. >> you talked about the policy requiring all state employees [inaudible] especially in agencies like the department of sections. >> one of the things i do talk about that is in the book is well is coming into office. what i realized was how negative it will work did i think that has been the hardest part. i am a positive person by nature, and they were very negative. i kept saying how can we make this tape out? we build planes and cars and tires, charleston was named the number one vacation spot in the country, and i wanted people to take all of that in. one day i was thinking in my office and i went to the secretary and said i want to try something. i said, the next time you answer the phone, say it's a great day in south carolina, how may i help you? and she did. the person's answer was, it is a great day in south carolina. i said that's it. we're going to do it. what i required was all of my agencies to answer the phone. there were two sides to that. the media wanted to pick up on one side. one was that i wanted employees to feel proud of where they were. i wanted everybody to be proud of the fact that we are in a great state that is in good standing right now. we have our challenges, yes, but every day is getting better than the day before. the second part was more important. how may i help you? government is in the customer service business. i wanted everybody in state government to answer the phone to understand they work for the person on the other side of the line. their job was to make sure that they solved their problems, they sent them to where they needed to go, and they made sure that they were taking care of by the time they got off. there were two sides to that. i will tell you that while the media and a couple of legislators thought that it was terrible, everybody in my cabinet has appreciated it. now i don't go anywhere in south carolina or outside where they don't say it's a great day in south carolina. the department of juvenile justice, i will give you that example. you talked about corrections, and that is very true -- the department of juvenile justice -- the director started implementing it. the first day after it was implemented, she drove up to the guards gave and the officer that was opening the gate said good morning, it's a great day in south carolina. and she loved it. now all the garden gates, as you are going in, they say it's a great day in south carolina. the media called the substance-abuse director and said you have people with substance abuse, what would he think of that? he said it best thing. i want people to know that it's going to be okay. we are going to be all right. that is the thing. now, are their victims assistance that we waved? of course. but in most cabinets, they welcomed it and appreciated it, and it is giving everyone is new happy life for themselves. we celebrate our state, we brag about her stay. i will tell you, it has been a great thing for south carolina. >> i want to take the prerogative of sitting up here to ask the last question. it is to get your assessment on 2012. we are very close to being in the general election. we have seen over the last couple of days the path that president obama is trying to take. his comments about the supreme court's role in the rose garden, comments that we know he can't think are true even if he's a constitutional law scholar, and also he is going after both governor romney and chairman ryan. talk about how we as republicans can effectively counter what we now know is going to be the obama message? very important going into november. for all of us to remember. we need to focus on one thing. that is president obama's record. he is going to continue to distract. that it is his job. we are going to continue the states focus. that is our job. look at the economy, the deck on the loss of the credit rating, the gas prices, the fact that we have not balance the budget. stay on that message. this is a man who came into office as a candidate talking about hope and change. nothing that he has tried to do has worked. now he is going to scare the american public into thinking that they better reelect him or it's going to get worse. to have him be such able he and school republicans and say, i can't believe that you're trying to cut and reform these entitlements and try to prioritize spending -- that's exec with what we want. he is going back to the new deal looking for government to grow and save everybody -- i'm telling you that the rest of the american public is saying that's not what we want. government messes up more than it fixes. we realize that now. there is a terminus opportunity after seeing him fall apart a little bit, by bullying the supreme court, he has reached a new level of trying to figure out where he's going to go. he knows he can't go on his record. he's desperately trying to make sure that he goes somewhere else. what he is looking like is a bully and he looks like he's panicking over a record he can't defend. he is looking like he cannot show leadership and he knows it. >> i hope that if you he won't be on the ticket, you will at least be across the country campaigning very vocally as we head towards november. >> that's a given. >> i want to recommend to everyone this trip it up and wonderful story. it's been a real pleasure. >> it is my hour. >> for those i have not met, i think there are a couple of people who fall in at category >> my name is john d. heubusch.e it is my pleasure to welcome ala in honor of our men and women in uniform who defend our freedomr around the world, i would like you do please stand and join ine the pledge of allegiance. i pledge allegiance to bit united states of america, and th the republic for which ittion, stands, one nation, under god,gw individual, with liberty and justice for all.all inky. please be seated.ize some >> before we get started, i would like to recognize some ev special guests but we have with us this evening. i will start with the venture at county clerk. there you are, mark. director. [applause] >> oy. allulke >> i would like to take you all back in time to just under threi years ago in january 2009 and 0 yoay a little game with you.i w i want you to imagine waking up on the morning of january, 21st of that year, to learn you are about to be governor of one ofe0 our states. now, we are going to blindfold you and ask you to throw a bigrw guard at the map of the united states. whatever state it lands on, that is yours. it. peplo runve some people here are probably imagining that there dark layouts on 10 -- that their-- dart lands on california. ome might be thinking telephons colorado.e of the ste of i want you to imagine that your dart lands squarely in the state of arizona. some of you are probably imagining it is glorious weathe0 with over 300 days of sunshine0 eachr year or the fascinatingan native american and cowboy. culture.e or the grand canyon, the rocks of savanna -- the red rocks ofs, savanna, where the rivers and lakes that dot the landscape there.d our special guest today didn't hit arizona with the dart threea years ago by luck.verno she became the 22nd governor after many years ofy tireless work, starting in the state82, r legislatorki in 1982, moving to the state senate in 1987, thee e chairman of the maricopa county board of supervisors in 1996, fnd secretary of state in 2003.o in that time, she has never onc lost an election. if she had to d if she had to do it all over, i amo sure it that governor brewe, a 40 year resident of the state, would be delighted to govern cizona no matter what state.waa she took the office where she or wanted to see change or two.h she has had her handser full. following the financial collapse of 2008, she inherited one of the worst financial crisis in the country.ha like every other governor, she has had to fight to diversifyar arizona and its jobs and education system. very few governors, in fact, none have had the -- have had to face having to protect the own sovereignty and well-being of its own citizens. governor brewer hats. [applause] [applause] this governor has a great. she did not back down from the wo fight when indt comes to improvt the people of her stay. [applause] her life is a remarkable tale. if you didn't pick up her newesr book before you came in here, in urge you to do soe on your way i out. it is a great american story you told by a great americant governor that we are honored to have with us this evening.t ladies andy gentlemen, please h join me in welcoming governor[al jan brewer. [applause] >> tha >> thank you all very much. thank you.u. thank you and good evening toevo you all, and thank you, john,r for that very kind introduction. i must tell you that it is an t extreme honor to be here with you all tonight in ronaldd reagan's library. it is quite awesome. thank you for allowing me to be i probably here. i probably don't have to tell you that i love arizona. it is my home. it is and it stored in a placera -- extraordinary place. after a long hard day, i look forward to walking in my garden, to rest and relax and enjoty the wildlife, watch the sunset, and plan for challenges that i will have to face tomorrow. however, there is something special about this place that fills me with great joy and ang peace. ping sense of for me, this really is america's chapel.chapel. a place to find confidence andee faith in our destiny, and yes, dare i say it? our exceptionalism. [applause] >> outside these walls, those ceilings have been hard to come by recently, especially from anyone paying attention to what is happening to our country. not to mention, to the governors who have been battling bureaucrats in washington. here in the reagan library, my spir spirit is lifted, and i amuntry filled with renewed confidence in our country.m i found myself thinking about young americans and how things will look for them in decades ahead, and how we must preparem our children top compete and scc succeed in a changing world. i know this much -- to envision our future, we must understandad our past.to decidwho to decide who they will be and what they will give, young americans must grasp what theym have received. the year i was born, america was a nation of 130 million peoples only about 40% of our present size, and the world was at war. three years earlier, we had been attacked at pearl harbor, wheres the uss arizona still rests today. our country sent its sons to fight in unfamiliar places far from home. just as we have sent our sonsd and daughters today. we spent so many -- we sent sowe many and so many were lost. on the battlefields of world war ii, more than 400,000 americans would not return home. hme it is .hard to fathom those numbers today. them few americans even know them. there were survivors of that'80, conflict, who are in their late '80s and ar early '90s. l soon, they will alla be gone.e l years from now we will pay th tribute to our nation's veterans, so this is a good time for remembering. dwight eisenhower told histroop troops poised near the beaches of normandy, they were about to embark upon the great chance. py the hopes and prayers of liberty loving people everywhere are with you. with our great allies and brothers in arms on the front, f you will bring about the destruction of german war machine's, the elimination ofmin the nazi tyranny over the oppressed people of europe, and security for ourselves in a frew world. ronald reagan called them thee voice of pointe du hoc, the menk who took request. the champions who freed the continent. the heroes who helped end the war. those men are now our heroes, forever a part of the greatness of america. when we gather thanksgiving, let us be grateful for the blessings of america and sacrifices of those who built it. they left it to us. my father did his part fighting the nazi party working at the popular navy base in western nevada. he passed away when i was 11 years old at his death came after a long and painful battle with lung disease. following exposures to hazardous chemicals and toxic fumes at the base. even in the end, when my dad struggled for breath, he never y regretted serving his country, d and i am proud t ro tell you of his patriotism. i am also proud to tell you that the most important mentor and my life was my mother, edna. you see, i know what it's like a to be a single mom, struggling to make ends meet or caring for your family. i saw my mother do that after mm father died. she never worked outside the home, but my mother knew she had to support her family, my brother and me. with meager savings, she got a very small dress shop, and i worked side-by-side with her until the time she sold it when i was 20 years old. saw the that dress shop was really a classroom for me, where i learned the importance of hard r work, responsibility, honesty, integrity, and yes, her courage. i think about my mother every day, especially since i was challenged with the opportunity to become governor of airs onr f that. i say challenged because i am inheriting the worst state budget deficit in the nation. nn well, i am my mother's daughter. i was up to the challenge. i'm a problem solver. i make a lot of decisions, some still weigh heavily on my hearty in arizona, expenditures are almost down 20%. the number of state employees is down almost 15%. state employees, including me, took a 5% pay cut during the took a crisis.ing the but you know what? we now have a balanced budget for the first time in years, ann it feels darn good. [applause] [applause] [applause] our state government is smaller. our state government isall. mortician. our state government is focused on the future. arizona is poised to move intoat our second century with the creation of a new model to, advance our economy. the arizona commerce authority is a private entity focused on quality jobs and recruitment. meanwhile, education in arizona is being transformed. it is a transformation supported by education and business leaders all across america. called arizona ready, we areona. engaging families across the state to take charge of their children and expect more from the schools.fr this includes adoption of higher academic standards ande elimination of teaelcher tenor mack. the employment policies based on seniority. and ensuring that we have an st educational dataat system. the teachers have real-time information that can be used to instruction. that way they can be held accountable for results. now, those things that affect our great nation will not be sob easy.e however, if there is one thing that i learned from my mother, and my years of public service, it ias that life is about choices.abo it is that doing the right thing almost always means doing the hard thing. it is choosing what is tough over what is easy.oug it is choosing the truthful over the false. speaking about choices, before the 1984 election, president ronald reagan said, and i quotet the choices are not just between two different personalities or political parties. they are between two differentft leaders of the future, to fundamentally different ways of governing.rnment opess government of pessimism, theyi are and limits. and ours is one of confidence and growth. and of quote. it seems to me there is a skilled vary different visions of the future. yet, we have a president that is who supported class warfel, calculated politics of envy, and cynical appeals to racial grievance, even as he issues. [inaudible] >> we confront persistent economic instability and decline, yet we have a presidena who demands more of the same big government expects that triggered it. what should bother us most, is that we have a president thatt suggest that america is not an exceptional nation.nation imagine. >> what other country has sent its finest young men and women to fight on distant battlefields for justice and peace? whatf other nation ever rose non to conquer, but to protect. what other such nation has acted not to dominate but to liberate? we are an exceptional nation, all right. that is just a fact. [applause] >> written in blood is the sa sacrifice of american patriots families.heir president obama doesn't have much in common with ronald reagan, but the principal difference between the two menen is fairly simple. one long -- one long to spread the wealth.and the other long for freedom. in my book, "scorpions for breakfast", i tell about myin th president obama in the oval office, and i looked him in the eye ande told him tt i didn't want to talk about his so-called comprehensiveb immigration reform. our border was out of control. i stand here today to make aheto simple case on the subject ofwih the us-mexico border and our immigration policy. i know my words will beow memerw distorted by those who disagreed. my opponents have alreadymy opp painted me as hardhearted and uncompassionate. they are wrong.they are w my career, my record, my life all stand as truths as to howllr wrong these criticsoo are. crtic the truth i two that come to th share with you is anything bute hateful. it has nothing to do with skinui color, nothing to do with extremism. instead, it is routed in freedom. my truth shares the spirit of our foundingmy fathers quest to form a more perfect union, establishp justice, and shared domestic tranquility, provide common defense, promote thete general welfare, t and secure te presence of liberty. we must secure airs on us and america is southern borders.an r that is my truth. bor we must secure our border to keep us safe. we must secure our border because we are a nation of lawsr we must secure our border to ensure our relationship with mexico. there is no other choice, no better option, there is no next best, easier truth.next bes of course, there are those back in washington who will tell us from 3000 miles away, that our border is more secure than everr [laughter]ll that to >> tell that to the survivors os robert plant, a dedicated manedn shot s to death in an area thatd his family had called home for more than 100 years. tell that to the friends and ll tha relatives of brave and noblerry, patrol agent ryan terry, a i victim of a border gang that was armed by their own federalgornm, government, allowing guns to be ahipped to mexico in the scanda us the fast and furiouss fast ao operation. tell that to the arizonans whone wake up to witness high-speed chases in our neighborhoods and spend hours in overburdened emergency rooms on saturdayurs nights while waiting and consoling a suffering child. tell that to our taxpayers who have to bear the expense of our state prisons overflowing with more than $630 and illegal ali aliens at a cost of more than $1.6 billion each year. those are the facts. ar plain and simple. our opponents, the self-styled do gooders, to disagree with them, i have learned is to sucker incredible, verbal abuse. let me assure you, i can live with those consequences. i believe in the truth, and i believe in taking action to protect our hard-won freedom. i sometimes wonder whether the present time is inevitable. you will see it skewed and are media, but i believe our am american people are taking this in right now.he and moving to correct the course. the 2010 election was historic and consequential, and if we continue to pull together, and work hard, there is going to be another -- any year from now prn in a year from now. >> when i was here in february, the presidential birthday party for ronald reagan, ronald reagan was described as someone whoald lived a life given to him on a lampstand signing, not on himself, but on america and on n to the world. hill. ronald reagan's america, special cities on a hill. it is in that shining city whern we might meet ronald reagan again and be able to take his hand and thank him for the nation he pres erved for us.us. as a western governor, let me close with the famous prophecy and english poet, one that margaret thatcher quoted to thac ronald reagan as he headed to his california ranch in his retirement. and not by the eastern windowsat only, whenhe daylight comes, cod in the light. the sun climbs slowly, but westward looks the land is bright. thank you, and may god bless you godyour families and may always bless the united states of america. [applause] thank you. [applause] thank you. [applause] [applause] >> thank you so very, very much. [applause] thank you. [applause] [laughter]>> we we have time just for a fewve questions, and then the governor will be signing books today. goe if you don't have won the, theru is still time to get one. a one paper before you ask your question, if you can raise yourk hand.raise ahand you we have staff in each of the isles. they will give you a microphone >> iohnroduced yourself. >> i'm john from burbank. i wondered if there was anyfrom iossibility of you using statee resources to prosecute some of the people involved in. [inaudible]we ha [applause] >> apparently the investigation is goingan on, but i assume it will be handled on a federal level. i will tell you that the states there are fo cused on getting the budgets under control. we don't have a lot of money. i do think that the constitution is going to be held accountable for what is going to be taken place in arizona and america. pe >> over here? >> hello,. [inaudible]da -- i just want to thank you fora championing sb 1070. i supremknow that you have had had toe go to supreme court.nsiderc would you consider championing the immigration issue and thegor governors who are facing the situation. [inaudible] >> i think that each state would certainly in the new federalism law, we certainly have all ofthi them together -- knowingainly wt certainly what america is facing. i have had so many of oury f governors, not only close to the western area of america, but to throughout that have been verym, supportive.s been vy, we certainly reach out and support them.f i'm sure that if we don't getthw some relief soon, there will bei a national movement. but i'm really looking forward to this next election and willxt count on a lot of people.it's g i think if we can have ana exceptional election year inttlf 2012, we might have the battle n won. [applause] [applause] >> my impression of the current administration is that their belief system is that this isem not a fair world did the only way they're going to do that is to take from somebody else. there there was a recent statement on the part of the administration, as you said earlier, america has lost itsai exceptionalism. e the two are in conflict with each other.with you can't have one and the other at the same time.he if you o were running things, wt would be some things you would huggest to turn the countryng around?suggest somewhat quickly andy and sowhat effectively. >> we have to remember what america is all about freedom. i believe so strongly. i think that every president and organization ought to look at the states and give them theiad federal responsibility that areh given to them in the constitution. i also believe that the federale anvernment should have -- i feem it completes the vision betweene the federal government and state government. [laughter] >> the federal government cannot do it all. we don't want them. we know better in our state.t f we know what is best for our people than the government 3000 miles away from us. they continue to conflict withus us and mandate with us.tis to a say no way, not on your th circumstances. every governor, state, republican, and democrat. we have tome get our tax situatn under control. we have to get our health situation under control. and it certainly isn'tnder obamacare. [laughter] [applause] [laughter] [applause] >> arizona was one of the states that led the charge on that.n td we will continue to do what we believe is right.i think if our principles of what thisb country was founded on, america will be that great country thatu we know so well.w s that exceptional country that we we are and we will maintain. it will take you and me and everyone in america fightingamec hard, spreading the truth. i will again tell you that doing the right thing almost always means doing the hard thing. that americans are up to it. [applause] [applause]s. i >> i don't have a specific question, but you're the reason that i tigot involved locally in politics. i started writing for it michael williams ragan report sometimes. i was terrified. in california, it is hard to be conservative and a liberal place, but after i saw you standing next to that sign that said -- stay out, it is dangerous trade in to it in our own country, when i saw it used getting up to obama and you didn't back down, all of us kept thinking, she's going to chickeo out. and you nevetor did. you just -- all you wanted was and to defend your own state. you are such an inspiration to s me, and i can't shut up anymore. [laughter] i never will again. [applause] >> thank you. .. >> that is exactly what the republican party needs and i so much appreciate your comments. and it is amazing to think about about our federal government coming in eight miles north of the border and putting signs in my district where we walk behind spain travel at your own risk and if you see anything call 9-1-1. it's a federal issue. the call 9-1-1. i wonder you think is answering a phone call this 9-1-1. and that is not protected by state. that is flat-out surrender. [applause] and we know it is just absolutely being with all of you tonight is like being actually in the state sport is amongst the storm. if we don't all come together and stand on their principles and get the right path, the great people that date, where we going to be. we will have no one to blame but ourselves. [applause] time for one last question. here tonight, governor brewer. i was just curious if you had planned to write just make an endorsement for the nomination. >> well, i've been asked out by a lot of people as i've been traveling around the united states and of course people have been calling and say who are you going to support? but he going to do? i keep saying i'm going to wait until i have my debate in arizona, which we are working on and hopefully have some really defined questions answered that will satisfy me. however, let me say i think we have a great bench of candidate willing to stand up and share with us what they believe they can do for this great country of ours. i'm going to hold off and wait until i am totally satisfied to let their answers are in regards to our jobs and our economy in regards to it they do about our defense and how they will handle health care and illegal immigration. [applause] announced that he was going to take us all again. i can't say this much more because i've been a grassroots worker for the republican party for probably 45 years. and lisa strumpet in her principles and philosophy that i'm not going to start. i don't want to stop and i would just share with you that i started out aipac called the impact that they are asking for people to participate in so that we can work a lot to bleed together across the united states to get the repeat old into the right office is to protect us and our >> once the lockout valves respond, what they say iceberg ahead, destructive valves three times, jeanne, jeanne dean, dean commotions the the morning sanders ahmad dichter had. it is ahead of the ship. it doesn't say what kind of object. what the lookout ended after they struck the boat was go to a telephone call down to the third race shootout and 20 days that they saw. when the phone was finally in the, the entire conversation was, what d.c.? the response was iceberg right ahead and the response from the officer was thank you. >> special book tv programming continues in a few moments when it gennifer granholm with her book, "a governor's story." jennifer granholm served two terms as governor of michigan. in "a governor's story" she talks about how hard administration that with a declining economy chungking manufacturer base. she spoke in san francisco are little more than an hour. [applause] [applause] >> mechanic institute such asuca robust crowd.. thank you so much for the warm welcome. go. [inaudible] she wou do >> no, you go. ich >> without would've a conversation, which is in many ways that the book is that the results of many non-congress nation about what happened and where we had then. so will take things back andso k and forth, savg im forthmichigan -- not natives. she's going to start already. born in canada, recent california. and people here think of michigan, they think of detroit. they think of gm, ford and chrysler and we may well talk about them tonight. but i thought it would be good if you start with a small town that nobody's ever heard of called greenville, which is in the middle of michigan about 8000 people because i don't think that if there had not been the story, jennifer will tell you about greenville that they would be a governor story. to me, my experience, our experience was a crystallizing tank. >> it was, thank you so much. >> so michigan, automotive state, manufacturing state and i am elected as governor in 2002 and took office in january of 2003. and if you recall 2001, 2002 the nation is emerging for recession. there was all this talk about whether he was going to a stimulus to happen for the state and eat it passed a stimulus package. when he took office in 2003, the economists were saying that michigan would be able to rise the cycle up, that would be bouncing back alive with the rest of the nation because of course this is just another cycle that we were going through and win the nation catches a cold, michigan catches pneumonia because we were making things that people buy, but large things like cars. select and my through struggle that things are going to bounce back and i kept waiting and everyone is saying this is a really good time to be elected governor because you are coming into. things are going to emerge will be an excellent time to claim for resurgence of michigan. at the end of the first year when the jobs were not bouncing back, even though national economy started to recover, i was scratching over why this is not the case. i got a call from the head of her michigan economic development corporation, which is our economic development arm in michigan. and he said governor, we have a big problem. they said what is there? is a greenville, in michigan we carry maps on the ends of our hands. anyone here from michigan? look at you all. so you know. so i map of michigan and greenville kind of almost as close to lansing in the center of the state. he says there is this tiny town called greenville and they are about to lose their enormous refrigerator factory. in fact, greenville had called itself the refrigerator capital of the world. they in fact, in this tiny town of 8000 people have north america's largest refrigerator fact three contemplate 2,750,000 people who lived in that town, which was g-golf 8000 people are grand parents and kids is the one company town. the whole town had grown up around the refrigerator manufacturing. so he says they are going to leave. they are going to move to mexico. i said no they are not. we are going to go to greenville. we will put whatever incentives we have on the table and make them an offer they can't refuse. we went to greenville and they're in a about the size of this little town in the mayor was fair and the city manager was there and the guy who was responsible for the community college was there and the workers were there and represented, the whole time and a representative showed up to try to prevent electrolux, which operated the refrigerator factory from moving to barbara's, mexico. we put everything we had on the table. everybody emptied their pockets figuratively at their chips and we made a big pile and flood the pile across the table to the management of electrolux and in the pio was zero taxes for 20 years. we offered to build them an entirely new factory. workers represented by the uaw offered $30 million in concessions every single year. they didn't want us to tell anyone how many they were offering because they were afraid of copycat requests from others who want concessions. our pile of incentive was worth hundreds of millions of dour pih hundreds of millions of dollars. in the management took our list of incentives and when outside the room for 17 minutes and they came back and and they said wow, this is really generous. this is the most generous offer we have ever been presented with. but there is nothing you can do to overcome the fact that we can pay $1.57 an hour in mexico. there is nothing you can do. seven months that the last refrigerator came off the line there was a gathering in the town and it was that the employees. and the employees called the gathering the last supper. it was at a big pavilion called hot coals orchard pavilion. i went to this gathering and what didn't the big pavilion and there was a band playing sad music and people were sitting around a top tables, checkered tablecloth, eating out of box lunches and started saying, what are you going to do next? it was like an eight community grieving almost. and i went up to the first table as his announcer is coming, but i felt like a part of this community and felt like we across this huge thing and this guy comes up to me and he's got his two daughters and his baseball cap on backwards and it got tattoos on. and he says to the governor, these are my two daughters. they were young teenagers. and he said, i have worked to miss that very for 30 years. i am 40 years old. from high school to factory. my father worked at this factory. my grandfather worked at this factory. he said all i know is how to make refrigerators. and then he put his hand on his chest and he says the governor, who is ever going to hire me? who is ever going to hire me? it wasn't just him. it is workers all over the country that are experienced team the ramifications of globalization and it wasn't just greenville, either. >> so let me just pick up the tailgate of little bay. we try to do in this story was kind of share how piece by piece these things came out. as either jennifer had this up to miss them about how things are going to turn around. we've always had the cyclical economy. all of us in america are sane okay, where's the upturned and the tao if you've been watching the last few weeks is up and back down up, back down. one of the questions that we had was when the sitcom classics one of the things that we learned is that the recovery actually came from the recession was not his real in the first decade as we thought. at that may sound ridiculous, but let me explain. here's where probably sounds ridiculous. he would not know this, but america lost 42,000 factories in the first decade of this century. 42,000. so on average, 1000 estate, thousands that were shut down. so what happened is we lost 2.5 million jobs among american companies several multinational companies, that had a present somewhere else. we lost 2.5 million jobs here but the crazy things as jennifer and i start to look numbers start to see experience after experience like the one she just described, known as poignant or just nuclear is greenville wise, but experience after experiencing jennifer is getting what she called warnock notices for a company that employs over 500 people i think. >> do not play at the 50 or more. >> the company laid off 50 or more has informed the governor they federals. cities are fighting at a certain point in 08 and nine when things are terrible. they have this terrible shrinkage. but at the same time, those companies grew 2.9 million jobs abroad. so there is actually an outgrowth. now think about it. this is an area we've all lived in a tremendous sufficient and productivity, right? or two people doing one job, increasing over time and white-collar overtime without having to pay for, pushing health care costs onto people should get more and more efficient, to use technology in every possible. and during that time they were still adding jobs. and what jennifer and i sort of noticed and linked to say is that adam smith, you render the great capitalistic economist talking about middle hand. he said when people make efficient decisions and decide to work martini bar, they decide to buy a cheaper product in an expensive product. all those decisions create the invisible hand where money and resources is the most efficient places. and that is exactly what we have experienced. we have watched as our jobs have migrated elsewhere and we live still within a protective sort of bubble of our thought process, that we are in a closed economy, and economic system. so for instance if you give companies more money for wealthy people more money, they will think are lambasted to make more money? which is great if you're in a closed system. but at the most efficient place to spend the money and use that money as a business person is to invest abroad, then we have got a major jobs problem. likewise on the consumer side, if consumers to the most prudent things, which is go to wal-mart rather than somewhere else to get a lower dollar amount come over to the dollars go? welcome a big chunk flew across the ocean to china. so we are in the midst of the tremendous situation, where we are still in 20th century minds about what the economy is like. what type were probably about michigan and hawaii michigan residents were very much and i think it's true in california and even in my brilliant work with students across the bay, still inking with 20 century minds about 21st century problems. >> yet, in fact when this happened with electrolux and i realized that this was potentially the harbinger of all of this staff to come, we decided that we in michigan are going to do an analysis on our economy and do everything possible to the other to keep jobs in michigan. so despite the global economy i listen to the business community and i cut taxes. in the back of the book i've got the list in the first term, the first foreign half years i cut taxes 99 times. there is small, large, targeted individual. 99 times. in fact, by the time he left office, michigan had cut more as a percentage of government than any state in the country. we had cut just on raw numbers by far more employees, public employees in any state in the country. but the time it left her 48th in terms of the size of government. our corporate tax burden had dropped between 1997 and 2007 more than any state in the country. so you think the prescriptions of small government and cutting taxes, which many people continue to put forward as a solution for national economy today if those were in fact the only solutions to be able to use that michigan would've had the most robust economy and the nation. and yet we still have the highest unemployment rate for the vast majority of the last decade. there was a mismatch. i was not applying solutions to a 21st century problem. i was applying 20th century solution to a 21st century problem. now, all of that means that i do have to be efficient if the government appeared i am not suggesting that you like huge government. i think you have to cut where you can in order to invest where you must. but the thing that started to turn us around with the ability to partner with the federal government to make strategic investments in areas where michigan could compete globally. what example. so when the recovery act was first adopted, president obama said he wanted for there to be a component of that that would allow for america to make electric vehicles and he could only do that if you make the battery, because of the electric vehicle here in this country. before 2009, all of the electric vehicle batteries, except for 3% were made in asia. and so what the president has said repeatedly on the campaign trail as he don't want to substitute the lines on foreign oil for reliance on foreign batteries. lets us in america and make electric vehicle and the guys for that vehicle. we sedlak what made one point series the automotive capital of the world. we want to make card 2.0 as well. and so, in order to compete for federal grants, we teamed with the private ground with universities to be able to put together a pack of proposals to the federal government. in august of 2009, joe biden came to announce all of the winners of that opportunity. within 18 months, michigan develop an entire battery cluster in a state because we had done an analysis to call invested the federal government. that investment is supposed to create 63,000 jobs in michigan by the year 2020. what is the battery companies had their 1000th person and we identified all supply chain, not just the folks building the batteries for suppliers to the battery companies and we adapted the supply chain ps i went to japan and said, come to michigan and provided the material for the battery, please. amateur techno- semi-camp, also in japan i said, provides electro- ice for the supply chain we are developing them and they went to korea you make all these batteries for these consumer products and you'll build the batteries for the electric vehicle in the united states. come to michigan -- >> your son in that howard dean, be careful. >> were going to south carolina, were going to florida. >> at any rate, the bottom line is we are able to develop this whole cluster, i would've never been able to do it on her room. it was only a partnership of the federal government and the universities in the private sector that we were able to do it. so, the jury at the learning for me as governor was one that lasted almost the entire eight years. we tried a lot of stuff at this time. the only thing that worked with the ability to invest in our economy and the proof of that is that in 2010 or unemployment rate dropped six times faster than the national average. the gallup organization said that michigan's job performance, job improvement was the most improved developer states. august the sixth at michigan was the number one state for job creation opportunities, even though we have a long way to go, we are not there and no one can claim that, but it finally started to turn around and threw it to strategically invest in order to bring jobs there. >> one that you talk for a minute about states and the fact that you are competing with haley barbour in mississippi and he was trying to hold onto jobs they are in your niche channels backyard in indiana trying to hold -- or in california. >> governors led to come to california. i mean, so here is the issue is that no state has the opportunity or the resources to compete against the china or germany or other countries. no state. even as powerful as california because if to balance budget given the resources to do it. the states to compete against one another all the time in whatever way we can. the only way we can often compete if they drink tax incentives for businesses. so the rain businesses and moving them around from one state to another. every governor are constantly competing with one another to say i thought that went from you guys. in fact, there is a magazine that facilitates this cause site selection magazine and they have a governors cut every year to see which governor won the most investments for their state. >> did you win quite >> i did. several years am proud to say except it's a national strategy because you are just moving the jobs around from one state to another when the real competition is overseas, right? so what do we do as a nation to be able to craft the code to keep jobs here in the movement of jobs and capital as we have seen so readily flows to the place is not the just had the cheapest labor. greenville was where they had the cheapest labor, but also where there is an offer of a partnership on behalf of other governments. i'll just say a quick story put it back to you. i was in march in china and i'm very interested in the opportunity that the clean energy economy can provide in terms of jobs. so it is a group of securing american future energy with the number of chinese officials to see what they were doing. in fact they've attracted so many solar jobs from california. please to provide a huge number and that's a very small number because they've been very aggressive. so is that one of the meeting from the chinese official pulls me aside and says so, when do you think the united states is going to get a national energy policy. a national energy policy. a national energy policy. a national energy policy. on various so divisive they just don't know. and this is at the chinese official did. it goes like this he grinned commemorative cans together and then he said to me, take your time because they see our passive 80 as their opportunity. we have to recognize that the federal government in this country, in terms of energy policy and getting jobs has brought a knife to a gunfight. >> i think that is one of the issues. i can't help but think we're on the verge of an election cycle and what should we be talking to each other about and asking candidates to take stands on an worse they should be. this is one of the most important issues. i will still one of jennifer's stories, which is actually george bush story in his biography he talked about being with her gentile, president of china and they are talking about their situations in life than their peers, colleagues just kind of hanging out schilling. and so president bush's conversation starters is what keeps you awake at night? and who shintaro says what keeps me awake is creating 25 million new jobs a year for the of china. and of course a good gentlemen fit the questions that have a chew, president bush, what keeps you awake at night? remembered eight years of president bush. what do you think he said? [inaudible] saving the world, cutting taxes. something else. so it had him awake at night? tear his son is what kept him awake after the bad news a couple years reading to those kindergartners if you ever saw that michael moore movie is quite a scene. but here's the point and is are we really focus, not just saying we are focused about jobs, but are we focused about creating jobs now in the kind of economy we are in any global economy, where countries like china won't embrace an awful lot of what china is, but we can embrace is really an aggressive desire to generate economic dvd that leads to the bottom line. so consider the contrast when we bring nissan to tennessee or bring honda somewhere come your habit at the plan. you probably give them land. summerlike jennifer is this what you the disincentive in that it then it and don't go next door to alabama or tennessee. come to life. and the deal was struck. but when gm goes to china and has a lot to work with you, the joint venture, build some cars, just like your asian friends are selling cars to our people, let's strike up a little deal. who do you think owns that operation? china. china owns half. shanghai motors. shanghai motors is owned by the city of shanghai which operates under pretty strict federal guidelines on issues. we want that kind of rigidity? probably not. and the long run will help them? maybe, maybe not. that help them in our 50% is going to come back to shanghai to think about investment in their schools, investment in their roads and infrastructure, the things that america inflicted in the past but don't seem to want or need to do. so somehow will please got to be thinking is how do we be as intensely competitive as they are? and we want government on the sidelines? this is still beloved ideology we have. let the market do its thing and everything is gray. to what you say, how's that working working for us right now. it's really not. so we need an american-style, an american mix of capitalism and democracy that works for us. but we need the government determined and not one that says trust in time it will all work out. david to lehman brothers and individual investors and everything will work its way out. clearly that is not working here. we need to go somewhere else. >> yeah, i was monitoring a bunch of multinational ceos on a panel earlier this year and the question was what should the role of government we? for the united states and job creation. i said to them, since you're in a bunch of countries, is there a country that doesn't pass? who should we model ourselves after? >> this is john deere, coca-cola, at&t. people really see in the from it business standpoint. >> is 2%. singapore does it pass. i said what is it that singapore is doing that we might learn from? and was singapore is doing is they do an assessment of their economy. they identify strengths and weaknesses. they identify the clusters that they could attract, the fact is they could attract will be globally competitive in singapore. take a look at those companies. they have specific goals for foreign direct investments. to take a while, find the companies and bring them into singapore and create a cluster that has suppliers and has customers as well. then they offer streamlined permitting for businesses to come and open up shop very easily. they give access to capital for businesses who have heavy equipment and technology that are expensive to get them in the ground and his shirt they offer them a full-fledged partnership, not a top-down, but a bottom-up partnership with the business to say, how could he make you competitive clicks and the united states, what could we do? which we look at? we have to be going after foreign direct investment. we had to take advantage of the diversity of the country and say to international businesses if you want to do business in the united states, come hierarch people. we had to have specific goals that ambassador should have closes verisign two countries. how many companies can you bring in the united states to employ our citizens? we should not be afraid of identifying the clusters the work for us. in california have the phenomenal silicon valley and all of these ideas are incubated there. but where are they taken to scale? or is the actual manufacturing of them occurring? a lot of it is in china. a letter received. i would come to silicon valley and say, you better product people make it for you in michigan. >> texas in this appeal of california's bond companies doing solar panels. i've got to ask you about celinda. are you all familiar with cilantro? ivd, is that the freeway where you see it? the beautiful plants on the eastside. so what happened there? there's a situation of $500 million for doing exactly what you're doing, playing an active role, building a new set here. we talked about that in the book. >> it is the tough question. does the united states provide access to capital for industries that it believes the senate's critical national interest. but do we believe is a nation that we should be energy independent. should respond and invest in new technologies. sometimes when you invest in new technologies superintendency downwind. this program had 40 applicants, 40 projects going at the one project failed. it was a big number, but if you place the bets, you lose every time. in other countries are playing bats aggressively. if we are not in the game, we will continue to be bystanders to the loss of jobs. that is one solution. i am not suggesting that should be blown up in use everywhere. but if you have a comprehensive come unique leads economic development strategy that is an assist from the federal government, then i think you can start to have some impact. >> yeah, that may jump in a little bit because one of the things that happens happens is we get into this black or white syndrome with the parties. so this government, investment in the privacy of his crazy. look a cylinder. the last of this money. separate the government from the private sector. build the wall like the one they build in israel but wonder what to in mexico. build the wall and separate because it's an government. this is really a crazy idea if you ask me in many respects because there are some things we want to invest in that we know we have to invest in. certainly as a society we want to invest in education. to invest in resume time we have a mix of public and private coming together to do that. you won't find this state building roads. you will find them creating competition and bidding work, just like someone within the private dirt and mud in the market mechanism works leave it the best builder for us as you can get. it is not purely one are purely the other. it is the extreme case but was actually government money they needed to be there at the beginning. a guarantee of a loan or you would have had the private money and it is somewhat risky. the government does lots of stuff that is not as risky. one of the things jennifer did in michigan and i'm sure governor brown is doing here as you bargain for what you need. so if you are this day, what is that you're looking for? what is your big interest when you offer grants for some land or offer a tax credit. if you were the governor, what you say you bought from those companies? jobs, great? that when you pay the credit? when did they claim the tax credit on a little income tax form? limit how your people, right? so it is not as though it is entirely one or the other. it is not as though the government can't tank and can't decide what are we interested in investing in and how do we go about that investment and then let the private sector were. find out ways to have both works. but we've been hoping to believe it's an all or nothing proposition and the governments of subvention videos. is there too much money in government? of course there is. better they are great people, tons of them trained to do awesome things? absolutely there are we've got lots of checks and balances. >> we've got to have her two points quickly. the issue about tax policy is a very important one. .. and investing it somewhere else. if you don't type that tax policy teachout creation the u.s., you could be in effect sort of facilitating the flight of jobs. and so that is for us in a global economy now a really important point. last thing because we wrote this book together, even though it is a nice voice, but i'm a city be listed as a co-author because he's been wonderful on arafat. so i would love for you to just say a word about the various identity crazed these. >> a word about package on atlas to me because you can think about what questions or comments you want to share with us. those interested in the book is jennifer told a story about the man with a ball cap and the tattoos and the kids in front of him who says what am i supposed to do? was devastating of michigan was the individual stories. i have to be there a number of occasions or people came up to jennifer and asked, what do i do? and were grown men are crying or very close to crying was also true on a larger scale. so that and had a real identity crisis. he said to hire me? what do i do? seasick about just what we we have wonderful program called in the worker left behind that it will spend a lot of time on but it was about retraining workers in giving these 45 andd giving e 50-year-old man a chance somewhere. he had to reinvent himself. and we had a state that has to still reinvent itself, that it has gone through these crises andve every time our big three have come back a smaller three, sometimes a house on shermanf tree, sometimes i have phonedr italian three, sometimes a taxpayer largely on three in the case of gm that we all own thato company. the next time you think about this car is everybody in california seems to drive, think about a volt or something because you own the come to me, chigan too. but in michigan, people could wk low-wage high e workthom the graduation line and to the employment line. they could go up north, that means you have a cottage in the north. we just say up north. chances are, you have a boat. all of that on a high school diploma. that has to change. the interesting thing was that we realize in writing the book that there were two other identity crises involved. we talk about this somewhat in the book. one was my wife. this is always a person who has succeeded at everything and believe if you are smart enough and you get the right people, and if you work hard enough, those things will get you there. those three things. a little bit of talent, hard work, and find other people who can make it happen. and she discarded. there's a great story about barack obama called -- in jennifer's life, and in my life. the strange thing is there was another identity crisis. i really did want "a governor's story" to be my story. i will tell you briefly that when we were in law school and fell in love, our friend matt was there. we were at the third session with the priest. he was preparing us for the bows of matrimony. in the first two sessions we had talked about all kinds of great things he would never expect a celibate man to know. what are you going to do about money? how many kids do you want to have? how many people fight in your family? all kinds of great stuff fit in this third session, we are sitting across from him and he says to me knowing that i'm going to go back to michigan where my seven siblings lived and all my hundreds of cousins, and where my dad had been involved in politics -- and one day i would be writing "a governor's story." mind you, this is 35 years old. a handsome young priest. he said, so dan, what happens in eight to 10 years if the party comes to jennifer and they say that there is an open senate seat and you're a lawyer and you're smart and attractive in lots of ways. you're a great speaker, and by the way, it's a good time for a woman. you should run. dam, how would you feel about that? if i could have told the truth, i would've said well, i feel like i just got hit by a two by four right across the forehead. i said i would be jealous and confused, but if jennifer was called to that location, i would be behind her 100%. the priest had the story 100% right. it was truly a pathetic story. a i had an identity crisis as well. i thought i would walk in the shoes of my beloved and i wasn't. someone who had to take care of these wonderful three children at the time jennifer was elected as attorney general. we were going into seventh grade, ninth grade, and 10th grade when she was running for governor. it was a great and continues to be a great experience. like michigan that was asleep, we are sort of asleep. especially men. enormous change that is ongoing underneath us where 60% of the college degrees are going to women. women or earning -- women are earning more law degrees. we are asleep in terms of how we are going to raise our families. how will we make this work. there's a great opportunity for men, not just women. a great opportunity for fantastic women to lead with great opportunities for men to have a different kind of life than they thought they had. >> when he was growing up, he either wanted to be president or pope. he went to yale, majored in theology, was going to go to the seminary. eventually, we met, so that didn't work out. he didn't become a priest, but he did become a saint. [laughter] >> let's go with questions. we could go on and on, and honestly, we have a book signing to do. we have a microphone because we are being filmed for c-span. >> everybody, please wait for the microphone. >> thank you very much, both of you. if you are both copresident of the united states, what would you do to bring unemployment to four and a half percent. >> that hypothetical can't happen because i wasn't born in this country, but i do think that a start is that the president is proposing in the jobs and recovery act, which is to have job creation and have key infrastructure that is important. we do have to have a national economic strategy. i would like to thank that we can attack jobs away really good education. if they do an assessment of their states and they have a strategy to build certain sectors that are innate to them, that education rate is the top of $4 billion. it caused every state -- 46 out of 50 states -- to jump through hoops, change the standards in the way they never thought of. if you had just a little bit of competition among states for a small pot of money on the federal level, you would see changes in the states changing their streamlining, developing cluster strategies, you would see them leverage technology, you'd be them partner with universities in sweden it is called the triple helix. in sweden it is called the golden triangle. we don't have an economic strategy that is partnering with the states. states will bend over backwards to make that happen. >> i will give you one more idea which you never suggested. which is foreign direct investment. transforming our thinking about the world that we are going to create democracy and police all these countries and we are going to be ready for big disputes and deploy hundreds of thousands of people around the globe to do that. we need to instead think that the real -- i don't want to use the word war, but the competition and opportunity for competition is in the global marketplace. number one, tell hillary clinton to stay and give her a new mission. to revamp the states in a way that it becomes more of an economic development tool. we embraced the globe and we asked how do we build great companies? how do we build great partnerships that make the world interdependent in a positive way in the country. >> [talking over each other] >> we have a bucket of red -- a bunch of recommendations in the book's. >> not about how much contributions they have raised on candidate, but how many jobs they can bring to the country. >> there are a bunch of folks in the back with her hands up to. >> maybe we should work the microphone back. >> i was thinking that any job, all jobs in manufacturing would have to be done in china, bright? because we can't compete wage wise. i feel like we are destined to fail. >> let me give you some hope on that. i think that the repetitive motion low skill jobs -- you're right. we have lost a vast majority of them, and it will be almost impossible for us as a nation to get them back. but advanced manufacturing -- you better believe we can be competitive in. the advanced manufacturing realm -- they require high skill. in fact, a lot of people say that our unions and etc. are driving investment overseas. the new union model, at least for michigan, the new head of the uaw is a fellow named bob king. he stood up for the manufacturers of the auto industry and suppliers at a conference in michigan and he said once he was elected -- this is not your father's uaw. our goal is to keep jobs in america, and we want to partner with management to make that happen. our enemy is not management versus labor. that is not complex. the conflict is us versus the globe. how can we have the most efficient processes and sophisticated level of skills to be able to make you globally competitive. right now labor is only 7% of the cost of a vehicle, and the vehicle is the most technologically advanced product in the world. you need to have people who know how to program the robots, who know how to maintain a robotic line. it is not easily transferable. on advanced manufacturing, the united states can still be competitive in that we will not be competitive if we do nothing. other countries are eagerly jumping over us, both on skills and as well as on partnering with the private sector. >> [inaudible question] >> we have to have federal policy that partners with strategic sectors that we know are in our nation's interest. for example, i think that having -- we have a critical need to be energy independent. for purposes of wars and strategic. if we are serious about a need for that, we need to invest to make that happen. that has to be something that the united states partners on. maybe we do provide capital and partnership with the financial community to make sure that it is a good business case for those advanced manufactures. maybe you team up with universities to make sure that they have a pipeline deal talent at the community colleges to be able to feed into it. we aren't even having those conversations about those levels of partnership to make a good business case for them. we could do it, let alone, on their own, when other countries are offering all sorts of partnerships, we will not win. >> i think the other thing that your question gets that is that the irony is in the old days in the factory, you picture the ford assembly line. they were men who were strong who were bending steel, who are lifting their hands and other body parts, who are enduring all kinds of incredible noise and dirt. i worked in the ford factory during college in the 70s. a a ford factory is noisy and redundant and boring is going to be. the irony is that places like china and mexico have stolen some of that old-fashioned manufacturing. but in the process, what they are getting is all of this intellectual talent. >> right. >> and we will risk losing the next phase. a much more high-level situation -- a flexible workplace where you or i or jennifer maybe engineers, workers, or cfos, and we are all talking about the project and able to understand how we make the thing work. scary thing is what is happening educationally, and you have all read this, how many phd's in engineering degrees are coming out of universities in india and china. if we want to look back in 30 or 40 years, it's not going to be whether we had a 999 plan like herman cain. did we develop human capital? years in front of us are not about bending skill. >> you cannot separate research and development from the manufacturing. once you were in a loss for manufacturing -- you cannot separate the two. people think we will be a service mission and do the design, but we won't do the manufacturing. engineers have to see with these products coming off the line. pretty soon the research and development centers will move as well. unless we get serious. >> two thoughts. one is in education. can't we put more emphasis on the entrepreneurial teaching to be entrepreneurs so that they don't have to work for somebody? they can work for themselves? another comment regarding the first question, and this race to the top four jobs and getting companies for the states. wouldn't that need to -- states asking -- states offering to deregulate so that the companies would come there? >> i think on the second question you have to have a floor. you are not going to incentivize behavior that will damage the nation even if it is damaging only one state. you have to have a floor so that it will not violate federal environmental protection laws and etc. >> [inaudible question] >> they do. but you can do stuff like accelerating permit -- limiting layers of your opposite that are not necessarily related to national resources. you have to crafted in a way to ensure those protections be met let me jump into the first the answer is yes and -- we need to teach that. we need to teach people to have an ability to invest and create. this is the world we are in. the end part is that it's not just about being an entrepreneur. what we have to create is an entrepreneurial mindset everywhere. the idea that kids still have, very much have -- kids moving to california moving four jobs. we have lots of young people. they still have this idea that there is a job out there and let me wander around and find the perfect job that i fit in. what i'm trying to say is it is not about what a company is going to pull out of you. it is about what you're going to generate any company. is it about generating added value -- i don't care who you are. these kids have to understand that if they don't generate value, if they are not adding knowledge and creativity and collaboration and great stuff, we are sunk. we are starting at a wage differential of $1.57, it even less in china and india, and that is worth what? kids coming out of college are expecting $18 or $20 an hour. my niece wants to earn 50 or 40,000, what she thinks she needs to earn to live here. that is in a the norm is differential. the only way be justified is incredible knowledge, and i believe that entrepreneurs are a different kind of leadership. i left class today at hawk. we are half way through the year. you are also sitting there like bums waiting for me -- and i'm barely innovating. you are so waiting for me to guide you. this is a course on leadership. they've got 15 years. overwhelmingly, it is a waste until somebody tells you what to do. we need proactivity, collaboration, creativity. not that i'm the boss and everybody listens to me, but this environment where we have in ideas about creativity. so yes, yes, yes. >> i'm an engineer. at what i see when i go to factories over the last couple of years, is i haven't given up on manufacturing in this country. but what i see is the machinists, they are in their 50s and 60s. they don't have enough work for the young people. at some point, the economic standards in china and mexico will go up. i'm afraid of that were going to lose that essential knowledge. when i go to allentown, pennsyia question.

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