Wanted to get the gun in the District Of Columbia for and against have been forbidden until the Supreme Court decided in the District Of Columbia versus how that a handgun ban was unconstitutional because the Second Amendment according to Justice Scalias majority opinion, it surely elevates above all other interest the right of lawabiding responsible citizens to use arms in defense of heart and home. So you would think it would have been straightforward in 20113 years later for you to distort and firing guns. Tell us why you wanted one and tell us what happened. I wrote this book out of reaction to what had happened this year as the guncontrol laws have spread through the country. Obama has pushed these laws. I had just done a gun myself. Mario it took me four months and four under and 35 in government fees to get a gun the so can legally take of my home, and our sense to just walk into a gun store, do a background check, and walk out. We have gun crime rising. Rape and Sexual Assault 50 . Last year assaults with a gun or a 20 . Salvis undergoing a. And people like me, having trouble getting a gun. These laws are being spread around the country. It wont to begin to reduce crime. Well, describing little bit what exactly, how it came out and practice and he tried to buy a gun can make you go in to Great Lengths in the book. He was a sense of the insert deasy faced. I was so overwhelmed and 80 gilligan. And had no idea. Those the victim of a crime tell what in the whole invasion situation everything clear was not heard, but there were a bunch of monoxide, most likely there had been a drug deal. It will mean to the fact it if i had come was to a defenseless. That is what inspired me. I knew that i obviously the washington i knew the Supreme Court has overturned the 30year gunman. What happened was the liberal city council had to technically abide by helen decision. What they did was put in place these incredibly complicated registration loss. Chicago, new york. They do it to discourage people from getting guns. That is with the arabs in. I did not realize in in this. I knew was a little bit hard to. In developed after walking into the Police Station and at 22 pages of paperwork. I sat down and tried to figure out when i had to do. Seventeen steps. Seventeen things you did go through. Accounted 17 and found more. Some of the ridiculous ones, a five hour class i had to take, just to be read the laws allowed out to learn how the shooting and. One hour on the range which was not an issue. It was issuing a you could hit the paper from 5 yards. Frankly, you would have to be blind and deaf in heated it was not very telling. Had to take your written test, fingerprinted, ballistics test. It was one thing after another. So getting the gun transferred, everything. It ended a taking me for months. They did challenge, the defendant in the original case challenged those three rules, but there were upheld. What has happened . It is being appealed. I think i was pleased to see last year the city council moved to make the registration process a little less difficult. And the sale average ahead is the case because they dont want to get back to the Supreme Court and did not back down again. Budget autonomy away from congress. In other republicans in congress are not going to liner those things. That is why they moved baby. Your series in the Washington Times was was also called amelie gets her gun. To take away from andy in certain. The laws a huge crowd and the absurdities they resulted, similar to those in new york city and chicago, not in very many other places. When he said he saw president obama try to get similar laws passed around the country and perhaps he meant in different states after a ton and laws passed the attention of the regulations on gun possession to ma lot of those are not very similar to those in the district the san blas wallow with a place. The assault weapons ban. Five states passed new laws. Colorado was the most shocking all. A highcapacity magazine been. At three of the best prices are on line, but i could not buy it that way because it came with this 13 round magazine. Ahead to find a dealer who would be willing to take the factory box, opening up and by the way . Tennant 13 round magazine to correct this. The 13th round has a little piece of plastic here. Hostess this will be going on. End of is a versatile year in new york city. The first one out of the gate was governor cuomo. He pushed this through, this ridiculous law saying that the Maximum Capacity magazine in new york city, new york state could be seven. No one checks to find out if any guns were made with seven round magazines, and they arent. Because of that they had to do a whole new spec you can only load seven rounds. Can you imagine the criminals being like, oh, when you hit six stop. You hit the nail on the head with what the problem that so many people have with turn control is. So many guncontrol laws which may be wellintentioned seem to be based on the idea that the best way to reduce murders, assaults from our robbers and other Crimes Involving guns is to make it as difficult as possible for a everybody including lawabiding citizens to own or use a gun. New york city is the same idea not going to do it across the country. Would you agree that perceval the Second Amendment protects her constitutional right, recognized a common law right that everyone either had right up to the revolution and in to protect and the people who see that guns can be dangerous are a menace to keep amidst Public Safety. Very often it is canadas best. Well, it is a relic. I am sure we agree on that. But you also agree that guncontrol laws that aim to keep guns out of the hands of people who everyone agrees should not have criminals to launder index call people like that, such rules are except will if we could never agree. That is the problem. Rehab and all these studies, one after another on the guncontrol laws such as universal background checks, sell weapons ban, highcapacity magazine, registration, all of those kinds none of them reduce crime. In fact, crime has decreased 40 since 19 since 1991. The past will diaz and crime is down 20 . Gun murders. But all crime. For just going to talk about firearms. We have more guns in this country than ever in history. 300 million guns especially in the past year, firearm sales are going like this, gun crime i can do this farewell. You know what im trying to do. Turning crime is going down one gun ownership is going out. So while if we wanted to reduce about ten or 11,000 people are killed each year by gun crime, not much we can do. They kill themselves. I mean that is for psychologists to figure out. Were talking about people or murdered or not criminals themselves, we want to work on that issue, so many things that are already in existence. Obviously, like he said, the guncontrol lack of 1963 says a few more phone you can have a gun in a new england, any of those categories of people, its illegal for them have guns. Sixtyeight. Youre so much better than i am. I appreciate that. We have and we all agree. Does anyone want a criminal or dramatic to have a gun . The question is how do we keep the laws that do that and dont penalize we have a law that does not. Its about making those laws effective. The bigger solution that is to be done is getting the Mental Health records and to the next. Obviously the fbi background check system. When you go to buy a gun they do a check and see if you are in a prohibited category. The national and state criminal background check system that applies to sales of guns by federal a licensed dealers but not to private sales which might be to income of 15, 20, or even 40 percent. Obamas says 40 because its convenient for him, but that number is one of the things that is such a faucet. What do we really know . Of that 28 percent of friends and family. Im not trying to give my gun to michael. You know a german. You might not, but suppose youre a criminal. That is what they do. I think about 40 percent give them to friends and family. There probably criminals as well theyre not going to be deterred by law. Recalled of criminals because they dont really care and the one going to the dmv to give my gun. People who did straw buyers. That is a tough one. Atf was a 47 . Thats a huge number. That many criminals get there guns. Work that is the center girlfriend and a buy the gun. The key to that is one of the solutions of a crime in going for it check in filling it is lying. When becker from goes cynicismgun and his writing of the form, that is a perjury charge. The largest of these things is for enforcement of those perjury charges. The problem is they dont see that as a priority. The attorney general says we dont have time for this. I interviewed jim baker. He was in the meeting at the white house. One meeting where they have a gun groups. Theyve known each other for years. Baker said to him, with all the respect, prosecutions are down in your administration of these purchasers perjury charges. You have to go after this. This is so we get these guys off the street. The Vice President says, we dont have time to go after these petty charges. The disconnect is such a problem because in order to stop people from doing straw purchases there has to be a deterrent. If the growth and things what happens, the fbi does in the denial, figure something on and says she might actually go to jail for five years over this, then my stopper. In get people like that off the streets. These are criminals. The only way stop them is to know that there is deterrent. I think a lot of people on the guncontrol side of the debate would agree with you. The president reacted to as many people did in the country to that a terrific slaughter of innocent children piloting are proposing the number of measures including a minister of the measures. But congress youre actually consider on april 17th, the Senate Considered a bunch of different proposals and amendments to an underlying in control all. And they all failed. One of them was, of course, ban on semiautomatic socalled assault rifles but the one that adam lances the killer in the town used to shoot the kids the. But there were other measures, one was a bipartisan measure that two senators had proposed that would make universal background checks of requirement. Another one was a proposal to criminalize straw purchasing and make it punishable by 15 years in prison. Another one was a law against gun trafficking, bringing guns across state lines. That was also to be punishable. These are already installed. It wanted to strengthen them. All of these amendments fail to reach 60 votes which were required and the rules. Why would people who actually support strengthening such laws oppose them when they came to a vote in the senate . As i explained in my book, two different tracks. What happened in the gym was you said slaughter. It shattered everybody. And what i find to be unfortunate is obama has said this antigun control agenda plan. Since before you was reelected. These legislations have been in the works. And they announce them within two days of these children being killed. To me it is shameful that they use this opportunity to push a political agenda as opposed to saying this is a horrific thing that happened. There is no law that would keep this killer, he broke every law. He still is mothers gun, murder, murder to my way if there was a lot, a brokerage. So when it came time and obama pushed this because it needed to give momentum. Million dollars leading up to an election posturing. Senators that he thought he could flip. In his hearings on the hill, not one person on the democratic side, the democrats are split. No one said this low would have stopped near the town. Never came up because it would have. There are exploiting them the same weakest of our children. Thats one way to look at it. Having a normal human response to it hurts the tragedy is another way. Give obama a little credit. He didnt just come out and try to pass a slew of gun laws because it has always been on his agenda. It was not so fast. Saturday morning bloomberg said we need to pass his agenda now. Sunday morning obama said, im going to launch a task force. Right, which biden chaired. Why . It took awhile. Within a month. But it was not two days after instead of letting their still in school. If youre going to strengthen legislation you have to do it through politics. Elsie going to get it passed by congress. Our founders shameful. Not one thing that was proposed would have prevented this childrens deaths. And i agree with you. And i think he agrees with them. None of these measures could have stopped. We have crazy people. Mass shootings, and try to clarify that in my book. Mass shootings kid Media Coverage like nothing else. Because they are spectacular. Bloody. Horrifying. And people relate to the morgan city crime. Urban crime is much more frequent cracks that is the big problem. But the way the politicians go after these mass crimes in the media as well, the public is a misconception that machines are increasing. Congressional Research Service to the study you read exactly the same horrifically. Is about 18 people year. Biker friends come. I am an expert on this issue. Theyre terrified to send there kids to school and would have loved, instead of making it worse and exaggerated and making people more scared, this is a oneoff. If youre speaking to the country commissioner surf. Youre not in more danger. Onethird of the country, Public Schools have armed guards already. Those schools have returned. Mass shootings are not giving orders. Go to the movie theater. You know, and lets get together and talk about the things we might be able to agree on the region least help make these things less frequent. One of them as to of these are things that win actually came out and supporters after the president made his proposals public. Aziz said, a lot of people said, turning a schools and to repositories for guns as you just said, onethird of all schools across the country have armed guards. Sixty percentile. We have to do something to improve the way we detect and treat Mental Illness of the kind jack clearly was behind adams actions in newtown. And that actually was part of the universal background check proposal. Lots of measures. Strengthening and to make it available. It that to fail to make 60 votes. Sponsored by senator ted crews a bunch of democrats. It did not have this year russell background check. We mistakenly think that there are automatic weapons. The public will be confused. If it will think very long machine guns. There will also think that the president of the estates of this year repeatedly, we have to get weapons of war off the street. Those poor children were killed by semiautomatic. I mean, fully automatic guns. He actually corrected himself to mislead. And part of why im writing this book is just to get facts out there. Machine guns, true automatic guns, have war in afghanistan. The military has them. Highly regulated since 1934. There are not used in crime. Because theyre so rare they have not been manufactured in 30 years. Rex half a million or so. And as the point. There never used in crime. There are reasonable things. We dont want felons to one criminal having a full amount equipment. 200 fees. Theres a lot. That control has been effective it was originally aimed at the criminals. Part of that law, atf. The 11 shoot all of the band guns. So much fun. It is fun. From the automatic version of the ak47 i heard a lot coming the other way in vietnam. Should an automatic. Helen the world of their Walking Around with these things . One of the things was a tommy gun. Is this big. Thats another misconception. Obamas and weapons of war. He did say at one. These are not the problem. The problem is criminals are using cheap handguns. She said that in a debate last year. Met romney. And never going to go after. He was in trying to get the price raised. He is never proposed any kind of thing proposed regulating. A questioner on a variety of issues. The support the banning of handguns . Yes. Back before he ever became a National Figure guncontrol. Does not get any criminal. Para obama, that man was born political and as a political agenda. Like and what happened. Passed in 1990 or crime bill and lost the house. Most of this country, 40 percent of this country 47 of the country has a gun in the home. A country of belize in the Second Amendment. We will take a short break and be back in a few minutes. On the go . Available via pot cast visit booktv. Org select which one youd like to download and listen while you travel. The executive. 1999 for closing the loophole that allows private gun sales not to get to the National Check system. He said back then, we think is reasonable to provide mandatory instead criminal background checks for resale every gun show no loopholes anywhere for anyone. What do you suppose happened to change his mind and my would you organelle its a bad idea . I dont think so. I will say my at think the amendment could night in six events in the senate bill is because first of all, as you know well, the source of guns for criminals is not through private exchanges. At this point i talked to the head of the gun Show Association because hhs is even more regulating the normal obviously the last two years. About 90 gun shows. The gun show loophole is another phrase invented to confuse the public. Like the northeast and places like that. Places like virginia with it that shows all the time. People go on and now its not a hotbed of criminals running around shooting each other. But for someone who doesnt know the issue, it does sound a little bit scary. But its not a source of criminal guns. The reason that they could not get 60 votes in the senate is because the grassley cruise alternative, like we said, strengthen the straw purchasers. Get the Mental Health records, all these things, stringent prosecutions of denials, the things that are exclusions, whereas mentioned to me with saying hey, we live next door to each other, but we have to drive all the way down the street, find a gun dealer to do an fbi check. And frankly, i put this document in my book. There is a memo written to the Justice Department. I asked who they wrote it for, where a find, wont say. The nra got a copy of it. And it says the background checks come universal background checks will not do anything to reduce crime unless they have a registration about the guns in america and the public overwhelmingly opposed. I think you overstate that. I was drawn to it and i think its a good thing you did publish it in the book so people can see what it says. It was analyzing what universal checks could do. And they said they are insufficient for ensuring firearms remain eligible. You can legally own a gun, but ttango committed bank bank robbery or some thing and become ineligible if you are convicted of a crime. Theres not a good mechanism for checking back on people like that. It does say most states do not have the registry of firearms ownership. So consequently, its hard to go back and find out if youre getting the right people if youre doing universal background checks, barring the right people from gun. But it doesnt anyway say we need a federal system. Yeah, go down to the very bottom. Nonregistration universal checks are insufficient. Recovering guns bright, recovering guns is as ineligible likely effective. Theres evidence we skip that. The challenge is implementing more broadly of ownership. Currently background checks are destroyed in 24 hours. Gun registration aims to one on the responsibility by directly connect being an honorific on to improve Law Enforcements ability to retrieve them from owners prohibited from possessing firearms. Thats confiscation. Host that doesnt say they want guest yes, thats exactly what it says. Gun registration laws for the monitoring of multiple gun purchases in a short period of time. Host thats what it does. Guest this is the recommendation. Firearm violence strategies in the National Institute of justice. I mean, they have a twitter summary on these things. The twitter summary and universal background checks depend on the ability to reduce purchase requiring gun registration and easygoing transfer. Host in states where they have it. Guest we can disagree on not. Host i think you go too far. Guest you do . Well, i dont. I look back at obamas career and see him from the beginning saying i want a ban on handguns. When hes running for illinois senate, he expanded he would like to ban handguns. So theres a history here of it appeared when he got to the senate, he was one of only 30 members who voted for regulating ammunition. Host thats true. But he did two things. One, a sign of law that lets you take a gun if you are one aboard amtrak trains and to come it takes a to a national part. Thats all he did. Host because he wanted to get reelected. Know whats gotten reelected his run on gun control. Host i dont think ill ever get to the point were people who put gun rights i believe it is a constitutional right and i wish the people who support gun control like mayor bloomberg would take that more seriously than they do. Youll never find Common Ground. There must be things we can improve on by improving Mental Health records and making sure states provide the names of people who shouldnt be able to buy guns from dealers get into that federal fbi registry, will never make progress and make things like newtown if not impossible, less likely to have been unless we stop throwing each others names. Thats all they did in april 17th. It would surprise me to learn that anybody besides minchin, to me and schumer have actually read any of the legislation. Guest he threw his name on the last minute. Host he was working on a proposal like that. Guest the Senate Passed the shimmer one that didnt go to the floor and they knew that. But i rush this was. Its a good bill and made people vote on it, saying we are going to change it later and committing. Host oregon politics has become really sloganeering and not an attempt to wrestle with the serious issues at hand. Given that legitimate to want to protect the right of the public, to live in safety without 300 million guns we have around the country . Every gun owner would agree are not. Shouldnt there be a way we can talk to each other about these things rationally and try to find Common Ground rather than say you are proposing gun control, you want to take my guns away. Im not going to talk with you. Guest is only coming from one direction. Its coming from the Obama Bloomberg site. I think you and i would agree there are enough laws of the book that access, enforcing laws is the issue. Not one person ive heard this year has said heres a new law that will actually make the world safer in the country safer and you safer. There are so many laws already. People are being prosecuted. But i also think the push for gun control has very little to do with Public Safety because gun crime as we discussed earlier is dramatically down. Went down this year, will go down next year. So things are actually working. Why this became the number one issue of the Obama Administration is your, and of the son that in all of march and april all they talked about, when people are safer now than after. Its not an epidemic. Host people fall back on their core beliefs. Limber, for instance right now is arguing that the stop in first act of the new york police department, which he keeps saying its impossible for that decline. Guest hes right. Host only a quarter of what they were. Guest those things were. I agree. Host is impossible that the first is responsible for all of that. But it also went down in the same proportion. They are way down from where they were guest for a long time. Theres several years i played. About 12. The major one are mandatory sentencing for gun crimes. The stronger prosecutions, more policing on the streets. I mean, those are things that get these guys off the streets. Host programs like ones you mention in your book, ceasefire, which they have been even washington at chicago and other places. This is where the police and others to work with people whove been members of criminal gang, have gone straight or have served time in prison come back and talk with young people who belong to gangs about how selfdestructive it is to rely on guns for pride and security and so on. Guest thats the thing. The issue is so complicated. Its not going to get boiled down to one or two centro fixes. Do not graduate from schools in the inner cities. No hope for the future. Plus all the other things. Theres just a lot of play. Host most of the big guns of violent gun crime are black and hispanic people in poor neighborhoods. Guest absolutely. Thats not what year president obama talking about. Mayor bloomberg has spanned Thompson Thompson tons of millions of dollars this year and youre not in him represent the kids on the streets. Host and i think his policy, while his schemes may be wellintentioned, has been sadly carried out by an experienced Police Officers who offend more people. Host stopping frist is a tough issue because you have to keep their arms and Fourth Amendment rights versus you see at that guy who looks like he has a gun to my so lets make sure he doesnt have a gun. Things like that do help reduce crime in the city. But you know, as far as just overall, were you have gun crime dramatically going down and decreasing, why is it such a national agenda. The president talked about it three days ago. To my executive actions, completely pointless on supporting historic guns that are 50 years old and things like that. Its become such a political issue, when the Justice Department reaches a study in may same crime is down so much. Nonfatal shootings around 70 in 20 years. Bloomberg is silent. In fact, i called his office and i said are you guys going to release anything . Are you going to talk about this . They said that using other weapons. Things are really much better in other countries. Host people also talk about both sides of their mouth on this issue. You dont speak to the nra and im not trying to force you to, but they are constantly telling members like me that they need more money to fight off proposals that would keep me from buying guns and people like me from buying guns. You need a card because the police cant always be there and crime is still a problem. While it is, but as you point out, it is half a reporter a problem it was 20 years ago. So why keep spreading fear mongering basically . Is that people say the nra is doing. Guest the person who signed the most guns in history as president obama. I mean, id go through sort of the public companies, private companies. Freedom group is one of the biggest. Their sales were up 66 last year. Just her and obama term, biggest number since obama announced his agenda. Heres what happened. You start to say to people, people love their aar 15 scum of the most popular rifle in america. Theres 5 million of them around. In all of the 11,000 or so people murdered each year, theres about 300 by rifle, any kind. Yet obama from day one of this tragedy made an assault weapons ban and then push through Dianne Feinsteins bill couldnt get 40 buzz because everyone as it has nothing to do with crime. Host i think myself that they hadnt pushed and semi automatic rifles, some of these other measures might have passed. Guest i think they need to bite them up, by pumping them together. If you had picked up pieces and the problem was forever when i talk to his familiar with the legislative Affairs Office is in senator reids office, senator obama was pushing so hard to get a vote on this. He thought he could get 60. Harry reid never thought it good. Host well, harry reid didnt want to ban he proposed in the first place. Just to tease you a little bit about your subtitle, obama wants to take your time. You got yours, but he wants to take hours. You say even the bad, basically Dianne Feinsteins proposal, it didnt involve automatic rifles. To require semi automatic rifles. They required registering on and increase the fees that it would take to do that. But there was never any mention of seizing anybodys guns. And they fails difficult, that true. The seizure . Guest i point out again that registration, which is what would help Law Enforcement take on. Host federal registration of guns is further than i thought. Guest this is what they are recommending. It is forbidden as it should be. Host is forbidden in the amendment that schumer and to meet and match invention. Guest you gut the irs groups, the msi a homologous yet we know that now. Going through email, going through phone records. No one anymore believes the federal government when they say were not keeping records, no one. Host thats a good point. Guest if you do, youre been sat on. Let me make you appear. I just read find the emails hi nsa. Hi, eric. So we are living in a year, especially this year when all this is, outrageously invasive federal government is in our privacy. If youre a gun owner, im a gun on her. My gun is registered because washington d. C. Has the law, so they know about my dad. I have zero doubt that they would like to go back to the ban as they go back to being, my gun will not be grandfathered in and i want to get it back. Host i dont know why they would see any use in going back to the ban. One of the most interesting figures in your book and ive forgotten the number is how many people have went through the process unregistered handguns. Guest its about 1500 for per year. Host no crime was committed with with a gun legally registered. They are all illegal. Guest they are not going to go through 17 steps. Theyre not going to take a five hour class. Can you imagine a criminal being like im sorry, just go to the Police Station. I need to take my 20point question test before i get my gut. Its just ridiculous. Most people in b. C. , normally lawabiding people dont register them because they dont want the government to know about them and they dont want to go through the hassle. The whole registration, mandatory registration process, the country opposes it. Very unpopular concept because no one trusts the federal government. Even in states that have them, its the stupidest thing. Then i have this ballistic tests. Technically think i missed alumni can track it back to me. How is that going to solve a crime . Youd have my fingerprints you can be pretty sure you dont need ballistics to track a crime down. Host Feaster Crone and regulations also claim innocent but adams. He described as very effectively. Does a couple of those stories that you describe in your book of people who fell foul and had no idea they were violating any law at all. Guest is a really hard to wichita. The recent veterans in afghanistan profiled in my book. D. C. s gun laws are so crazy. They dont exist anywhere else. [inaudible] has come on all of them. I get very defensive over d. C. Having the worst gun laws. Im very competitive over this. Host i see that point. Guest i was trumped up on that. We dont have the right to bear arms at all. I went. I went again. Worst gun laws. The defense about the fact that we have the worst most the country dont have crazy things. Lieutenant austin can serve two tours in afghanistan. He just got back from kosovo. Hes wonderful soldier and lieutenant ken was legally transporting his gums to d. C. They were locked, unloaded k. Stinnett struck. He had been injured in afghanistan and he left his gums while he was there at his parents house in new jersey. He went to pick them up it was driving them to his home in south carolina. He stopped at walter reid to check on his injuries and in doing so got lost, got turned around and that part is a complicated story, but got pulled over and the d. C. Police claim that by stopping for medical treatment he was no longer legally transporting. He was wrongly giving out the federal tranfour. To clarify, if youre conus unloaded and in your trunk from you can drive state to state and stop for gas and stuff to be. Thats fine. And medical treatment. [inaudible] guest wrongly, wrongly. Had he gone to trial he wouldve won, but they settled. Heres one Thing Company serving our country bravely, injured. The german jail for the night, which is terrific. He had to get a lawyer. He had to go through this and he eventually took a plea deal where he was suspended after he care that the charges. Active duty. Unloaded pants and a strong . Was sent into afghanistan. Hes still serving. D. C. Seizes guns and wouldnt give them back for two years. Senator Lindsey Graham to read my story, called police chief lanier, a constituent in south carolina. Get him back his guns today. After two years, lieutenant ken got his guns back. Another story briefly, Sergeant Corrigan, who did not register guns because its normal and the rest of america. I cant believe i would walk up to the Police Station and they would just arrest me. I know a lot of people worried about that. His gums were unloaded. I go through the whole story of how the police s. W. A. T team barreled into his house. They put him in jail for two weeks, two weeks. He served in iraq. He actually has ptsd symptoms from iraq, couldnt sleep. What are we doing . These are dangerous people. These are people that give guns to go across the world and protect as. He was thrown in jail for presenting rounds of ammunition, no guns. These are the laws. Ill tell you a chocolate to the rankandfile and i talked to him frequently in my book. They do not offer any of this. If we let nationally, police said a survey of 15,000 Law Enforcement. 85 to 95 of obamas gun control agenda is Law Enforcement. The reason is they were doing things like wasting time chasing an Sergeant Corrigan when they could be going after the actual criminal who just might the girl walking down the street with a gun and knocked her to the ground. On first and opposes all of these things. Many times in obamas press conferences with police in behind them, the please are not standing behind him because they support this. Those are the appointed police chief said nixies. They are not Law Enforcement, the rabbis on the streets going officer bowman says to me, emily, do i want to chase you because youre 13 round steak is a 10 round mag or do i want to go after the guy who just shot someone on the corner . This is why Law Enforcement is not supporting these measures. Host you describe in your book how you manage to Justice Scalia who wrote the opinion that made handguns to go finally in the District Of Columbia at the white house Correspondents Dinner this last spring. He said something how you hope he would help you get the right eventually to bear arms. Tell us about what he said it was going to happen in that regard. Guest my frown covers for fox news and she was talking to him and introduced me and i mortified her for life. You wrote heller, thank you very it is you, youve heard it. He was like banks, crazy lady. D. C. Is the last place that you do not have the right to bear arms. In july, Illinois Legislature finally passed a law where you couldnt do it. So i said, are you going to bring up kerry case or bear case pete in the nearterm because look at this quarter. It is a five, four. We still have the heller majority. Until you guys made a decision, places like d. C. Arent going to do this. All five of these states that have gun control this era are all facing lawsuit. New york, connecticut, colorado. Limiting what you can carry has not been decided yet by a court. Those are two things i am very hopeful happens while the majority is still approved. I just asked Justice Scalia if he was taking care of himself, if he was exercising regularly. And then he said he was. And then she pointed to his text in a pocket, where you have a cigar. He said only on special occasions. And i was like so just us, we need you healthy. Postcode to get to the point where we can talk with each other across the divide that divides people who support gun rights and support gun control, to get them to talk to each other about things we could agree on that might make it safer, takes i think a recognition by each side. The justice and end up for the politics or political advantage. But when you react to a new town by saying there must be something we can do that have a lot some kind. Its politics. Guest i agree with you on that point. Its so universal. I want a single way to protect the children. Well want to do something. Thats human nature. What can we do to stop us from happening . Ive been in that classroom. I know the age group. It is such a horror. However, legislation cannot be made based on human emotions. It has to be made based on policy, evidenced in fact. Thats when things dont get very far congress because once the emotion dies down. If we did this in a way with people like you and me and not politicians, you could talk to each other a lot more. Politicians always stick to their guns. Pun intended. Guest absolutely. Thank you so much. Guest absolutely. Enjoyed it. Heres a look at the books published in 2002. Booktv sports or on cspan 2. Our motto is even now when you we didnt have any money to go until they invited us to leave. And with that attitude, adalat has two somehow kept her education for survival. I dont know how we link to it that, but no one wanted to go back home without what they went to school for. Is it desperation situation. Workshops, ballet. Seriously, my mother has a better sisters. If i needed something, they were all there. It was just to collect their families and our friendship and determination. If he looked at the scholarship and i was more qualified, he wouldnt be upset about it. We just talked. 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