In the District Of Columbia versus the heller case in 2008th of the handgun ban was unconstitutional because the Second Amendment according to Justice Scalias majority opinion quote surely elevates above all other interests the right of lawabiding responsible citizens to use arms and defense of hearth and home unquote so you would think it would would e been straightforward in 20113 years later for you to go out and buy a gun but it wasnt. Tell us why you wanted one and tell us what happened when you took the first steps towards getting a gun. Guest i wrote this book out of reaction to what has happened this year is the gun control laws that are in d. C. Have spread through the country. Ever since the horrific tragedy in Newtown Obama and mayor bloomberg have pushed these laws in the country. I had just gotten a gun myself and d. C. N. Action have these guns control laws affect lawabiding people. While it took me four months and 435 government fees to get a gun that i still cant legally take out of my home you do an fbi background check and you walk out so we have gun crime rising in d. C. And sexual assaults are up 50 from last year. Robbers with a gun and assaults with guns or absolve these gun crimes are going up. I wrote this book because these laws have been spread around the country and its not going to do anything to reduce crime or make american safer. Host describe a little bit what exactly how it came out when you tried to buy a gun . You go into great length in the book. Give us a sense of what were the absurdities he faced when trying to actually do it . Guest i was overwhelmoverwhelm ed by it i went to the dash and i said im here to get a gun. I have no idea. I never owned a gun before and what inspired me was i was a victim of crime. I walked into a Home Invasion situation and thankfully i wasnt hurt but there were a bunch of men outside. The police say most lately they have done a drug deal and they were trying to get quick cash. I wasnt hurt but it woke me up to the fact that if i had surprised him enough or something at happened i was totally defenseless in my home. That is what inspired me to do it and they knew that the Supreme Court had overturned the 30year in band that i didnt realize what happened since then. What happened was the liberal city council had to technically abide by the heller decision technically but what they did is they put in place an incredibly complicated registration law and d. C. Is one of the places in the country you have to register every gun that you owned mostly chicago and new york in places like that. They do it i believe to discourage people from getting guns. Of course criminals are just off the streets so that is what they are up to. I didnt realize going into this that i would get a gun. It was a little bit hard. I ended up after i walked into the Police Station i got all the paperwork 22 pages of paperwork. I sat down to try to figure out what i had to do and it was 17 steps. 17 things you have to go through. I counted 17 and found more as it went along but some of the most ridiculous ones were a five hour class that i had to take, four hours in the classroom just to be read the laws out loud. One hour on the range which wasnt learning to shoot because thats not part of the requirement. It was just showing that you could hit the entire paper from five yards. Frankly you would have to be blind and deaf to hit a newspaper from five yards. It was not very telling. I had to take a written test, got a 20 question test. Fingerprifingerpri nted ballistics tests. It was one thing after another that i had to go to the dmv twice and anyone who has been to the dmv is itself a deterrent having to go down there. So you are getting the gun transferred so it ended up as i said it took me four months. Host well they did challenge heller the defendant in the original case that went to the Supreme Court. Challenge those prewritten rules but they were upheld in the court. What has happened since then . Guest the heller decision is being appealed. I think i was pleased to see last year through the course of my series coming out the city council moved to make the registration process a little less difficult. I counted 11 steps. Its not 17. Its 11 and obviously the leverage i had in writing the series and scaring them is this pending case. They dont want it to get back to the Supreme Court and get it knocked down again. Its a very d. C. Centric issue. They want to be a state and they know the republicans and the congress are not going to allow either of those things while they have these unconstitutional firearms laws existing. That is why they have moved to change to the laws. Host your series in the Washington Times which was also called emily gets her gun . The laws that you describe and the absurdities that they result in our similar to those in effect in new york city and chicago. Not in very many other places. When you say that you saw president obama tried to get similar laws passed around the country and perhaps in different states and after newtown there were laws passed that tightened up the regulations on gun possession. A lot of those are not similar to those in the district though. Guest the same laws are over the place. The assault weapons bans of five states pass new laws from the motion rocking of all the recall election which a highcapacity lob ban exists in colorado. The sixhour is a brand of gum that i chose and it came standard with a 13 round magazine. The best prices on line but i couldnt live that way because it came with his 13 magazine and it was illegal for him to receive it that way. I had to have find a dealer who would be willing to take the factory box and opened it up and by the way a 10 10 round magazine in the 13 round magazine look like this but the 13 round one is a piece of plastic here that stops it so this is whats going to be going on in colorado and this happened this year in connecticut and obviously we are sitting here in new york city. The first one out of the gate was Governor Cuomo and he pushed this through which was written by mayor bloomberg is ridiculous law saying the Maximum Capacity magazines in new york state could be seven. No one checked to find out if any guns were made with seven round magazines. They arent. It was a 1911 pistol and a couple small guns. Because of that they had to do a whole new fix in april to change that and now they are saying you can only load seven rounds. Can you imagine the criminals being like dude, you are almost as seven. You need to stop. Host you hit the nail on the hood head with the problem with so many people have with gun control issues. So many gun control laws may be wellintentioned seem to be based on the idea that the best way to reduce murders and assaults and armed robberies and other guns is to make it as difficult as possible for everybody including lawabiding citizens to own a gun. New york city has the same idea. We already criticize mayor bloomberg pushes this constantly and is now going to do it across the country. Would you agree though that first evolved the 2nd amendment protects a constitutional right . It recognized a common law right that everybody had right up to the revolution and aim to protect that and that people who see that guns can be dangerous are a menace to Public Safety have to recognize that people who take that right seriously deserve to be taken seriously. Very often its dismissed. Well, its a relic and i am sure we agree on that. Would you also agree that gun control laws that aim to keep guns out of the hands of people who everybody agree should not have criminals and drug addicts and people like that in people with criminal records such rules are acceptable if we can never agree guest thats the whole problem here. We have got all the studies come Good Government study cdc harbored one after another in the gun control laws such as universal background checks assault weapons ban highcapacity magazine registration all those kinds. In fact crime has decreased gun crime alone has decreased 47 since 1991. Of pass 21 years gun crimes gun murders are down 20 . All crime is down but if we are just going to talk about firearms is completely down however we have more guns in this country than we have every had in history. There are 300 million guns in this country especially in a pastor with gun sales firearms sales have gone like this and i can do this very well. You know what im trying to do. Crime gun crime is going down while gun ownership is going up. Its about 10 or 11,000 People Killed each year by gun crimes and a quarter of those are felons and criminals. Host or they kill themselves in suicides. Guest thats for psychologist to figure out that situation but if we are just talking about people who are murdered who are not criminals themselves, we want to work on that issue. It is decreasing. There are so many things that can be done that are already in existence that obviously like you said gun control act of 1963 says if you are a felony cant have a gun. If you are drug dealer domestic abuser illegal alien any of those categories of people is illegal for them to have guns. Host that was 68. Guest thank you. You are so much better on the dates than i am. We all agree. Does anybody want a criminal are drug addict to have a gun and . We all want to be safe. Host how do we make a law that does that and dont penalize . Guest we have a law that does that. I think the biggest solution that needs to be done is getting the Mental Health records into the system. The f. s background check system. When you go to buy a gun they do a check and see if you are in the category. Host the National System that applies to sales of guns by federal licensed dealers in gun shops or gun shows. But not too private sales. Which might need 101520 or even 40 of the estimates. Guest obamas has 4040 because thats good for him. Its such a falsehood because first of all its taken from a study for my 297 so what do we know about moderate stuff. Its that old but about 20 are friends and family so i am not going to give my gun to my uncle if he is abusing his wife. Fwe know each other. Host suppose you are criminal. Guest thats what they do. I think its 40 give them to their friends and family but they are probably criminals as well. They know who they are. Host theyre not going to be deterred by a law. Guest they would be criminals combat thus we call them criminals because they dont really care. Im the one going to the dmv to get my gun. Host how about the people who get straw buyers come good girlfriends or friends . Guest thats a tough one. Host they buy them somewhere and get give them to them illegally. Guest thats very common. Atf is at 47 . Thats a huge number. Host that many criminals get their guns guest from straw purchasers. Host thats a sale is that . Guest basically what it is you send your girlfriend in and she doesnt have a felon in record and she buys the gun. The key to that is one of the other things i say is a solution that is already the law but crime and going through and failing is lying so when when i girlfriend is in and says im buying this gun and writing out the form thats a perjury charge. The only way to stop these things is for enforcement of those charges. The problem with this administration is they dont see it as a priority. Air cooled and the attorney general said we dont have time for this. I interviewed jim breaker jim baker. He was at the meeting at the white house when they were developindevelopin g their agenda. They have known each other for years biden and baker. Baker said to the Vice President a Vice President with all due respect prosecutions are down in your administration of these mixed denials. This is how we get this guys off the street. The Vice President says to baker we dont have time to go through petty charges. That disconnect is such a problem because in order to stop people from doing straw purchases there has to be a deterrent. If the girlfriend thinks how the process works the fbi does a negative denial figure something out. The girlfriend thinks she might go to jail for five years over this, they might stop her and secondly get people like that off the streets when you go after them. These are criminals. We know that so the only way to stop them is to know theres a deterrent. Host i think a lot of people on the gun gun control se of the debate would agree with you on that. After newtown the president of course reacted as many people did in the country to that horrific slaughter of innocent children. By letting or proposing a number of measures and administrative measures that he can take congressional action but he asked for and congress eventually considered on april 17 the Senate Considered a bunch of different proposals and amendments to the gun control law. They all failed. One of them was a course a bam on Dianne Feinstein had proposed a semiautomatic socalled assault rifles like the one that adam lanza the killer in the town used to the kids with. But others, there are others and one was a bipartisan measure that senators manchin and to me back toomey and schumer proposed that would make universal background checks. Another one was a proposal to criminalize straw purchasing and make it punishable by 15 years in prison. Another one was a lot against gun trafficking bringing guns against datelines across state lines. Guest these were already against the law. Host they wanted to strengthen them get all of these amendments failed to reach 60 votes which were required under the rules. Why would people who rationally support strengthening such laws oppose them would they came to a vote in the senate . Guest eye as i explain in my my book there were two different trains moving down that track in the senate. What happened in newtown was you know just one of the most horrific things that it has ever in america and shattered everybody. What i find to be unfortunate is obama has had this antigun control agenda plan as has Dianne Feinstein. These legislation have been in the works and they announce them within two days of these children being killed. To me it is shameful that they use this opportunity to push a political agenda as opposed to saying this is a horrific thing that happened but there is no law that would have stopped him. This killer, lanza, broke every law. Law. Hes told his mothers guns. Host murdered her. Guest murdered her and murdered these children and put on a gun for his own school. When it came to obama pushed this. He had mike limburgs money behind him and bloomberg spent 20 million on senators he thought he could swift in his direction. I saw throughout the hearings on the hill not one person on the democratic side are a should say because it really wasnt split down party lines because the democrats were split. No one said this law would have stopped newtown. Because it wouldnt have said they are exploiting them without saying we could stop her children from being safe at school. Host being being exploited as one would look at it but having a human response to to a horrific tragedy is another way. Give palm a little credit. He didnt just come out and try to pass gun laws because it had always been on his agenda. Guest in 48 hours. It was on sunday at the Prayer Service. On that sunday the shooting was on friday and saturday morning bloomberg said we need to pass an agenda now. Sunday morning at the Prayer Service obamas said im going to lunch a task force. Host which biden shared. Guest why . Host it took a while though. It wasnt two days after guest he switched to politics in two days. Host if you are going to strengthen legislation youve got to do with through politics. How a suit going going to get it passed by congress . Guest well look i found it shameful because not one thing that was proposed would have prevented those childrens deaths. Host i agree with you on that. None of these measures could have stopped adam lanza. Guest you have got crazy people and confusion with the public and i tried to clarify that in my book. Mass shootings get Media Coverage like nothing else. Host horrifying. Guest people relate to them more than city crimes. Urban city crimes much more frequent. Host thats the problem. Guest the way politicians go after these mass crimes and the media as well the public has this misconception that Mass Shootings are the same. Congressional Research Service did a study over the past 10 years. Obviously some years unfortunately horrifically more but its about 18 people a year. One of the things i think that is important for people to know. Some of my girlfriends are terrified sending their kids to school. I would have loved the president instead of making it worse and exaggerating and making people more scared say to the country country this is almost a one off. If you are speaking to the country your children are safe. Theyre not in more danger. First of all one third of the countries Public Schools have guards so those schools have a deterrent and i can go to the movie theaters. Host maybe then you might have said and lets get together and talk about the things we might be able to agree on that could at least help make these things less one of them is tour these are things that Wayne Lapierre from the nra came out and supported after the president made his proposals. One is on guards in schools. A lot of people said thats ridiculous. Turning the schools into depositories for guns. How is that going to pay make people safe and as you said one third of all schools across the country have armed guards. Guest urban are in the 60th percentile. Wayne lapierre that budha, and people are outraged were mostly the liberal media. Host the other comment he made Wayne Lapierre was we have to do something to improve the way we detect and treat Mental Illness of the kind that clearly was behind adam lanzas actions in newtown. That actually was part of the universal background check proposal that Manchin Toomey and schumer proposed. To strengthen the validity of the states to use information for mentally ill people and make it available to the fbi for the National Check system yet that too failed. Guest as did Grassley Cruz was the alternative. Sponsored by ted cruz and the ranking judiciary. It didnt have this universal background check and the problem with this via now i say in my book the universal background check is the assault weapons ban of this year. The assault weapons ban was created by antigun activists deliberately and we have saying people will mistakenly think when we talk about assault weapons that there are automatic weapons, machine guns. Thats exactly what he said. They will think its machine guns. The public will be confused and they think they are outlying machine guns but also wrongly think that machine guns are off this streets. In the United States all this here repeatedly that got to get weapons of war off the streets. We have to get machine guns off the streets. He said at one point those children in newtown were killed by a semiautomatic. It is incorrect. Part of why im writing this book is to get the facts out there. Machine guns are automatic guns which is to pull a trigger and many bullets come out until you are stalled or afghanistan. This our military has them in some of our police have them. For civilians they have been highly regulated. Theyre not used in crimes. Because theyre so rare they have been manufactured in 30 years and they are very expensive. Host host theres half a million or so. Guest half a million and never used in crimes. Host sounds like you support that. Guest obviously there are reasonable limits. We dont want felons you know frankly i dont want a criminal having a fully automatic weapon and we dont want adam lanza having a fully automatic weapon but i dont think you can afford 30,000 to get one in an atf check and a hundred dollar fee. Host that has been effective keeping that kind of weapon out of the hands of everybody, not just criminals but everybody. It was originally aimed at the criminals, the mob. Guest part of that whole thing i was at the atf a month ago and they have let us shoot all the banned guns. It was so much fun. Its good it fun. Symbiotic my semiautomatic version of the ak47. Coming the other way it was in the war in vietnam. Guest they would not let her chute an automatic load but i was how in the world do they walk around in a war with these cliques they are so heavy but one of the things was the tommy gun in there. This thing weighs 10 tons and its this big. Thats another misconception people think because obamas as weapons of war on the streets. No one is walking down the streets with a rifle. Host he did say at one point these arent the problem. The problem is criminals use cheap handguns. Guest he said that in the debate last year. Okay so now we are going to go after host whats wrong with that . Its true. He said they were cheap handguns but he wasnt trying to get the price raised. He was pointing out that they had semiautomatic rifles. Guest which is fine. He has never pros propose thankfully i propose regulating but in 1996 when he was running for Illinois State senate he wrote in a questionnaire on a variety of issues he said do you support the banning of handguns and he wrote yes. Host that was back before he became a National Figure of course. His first term would he do . Guest couldnt because he was running in a reelection. Host maybe responding the way a normal human being would . Guest barack obama . That man was born political and he is a political agenda. Look what happened to clinton. Clinton pushed the 1994 crime bill or assault weapons ban but if you want to call it. He lost the house in the house in the house has been programming ever since. 40 of this country 47 of this country is a gun in their home. This is a country that believes in the Second Amendment in the right to bear arms. Host we will take a short break and we will be back in a few minutes. S is available via podcast through itunes and xml. Visit booktv. Org and click podcast on the upper left side of the page. Select which podcast would like to download and listen to cell phone while you travel. Host Wayne Lapierre who was the execs is the executive Vice President of the nra testified before the house judiciary subcommittee in 1999 for closing the loophole that allows private gun sales not to go through the National System. He said back then, we think is reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal backgrounbackground checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere. What do you suppose happened to change his mind and why would you argue now that its a bad idea to have background checks for private sales . Guest i dont speak for Wayne Lapierre and im not a spokesperson for the nra but i will say why i think the Manchin Toomey amendment could not get 60 votes in the senate is because first of all as you know well the source of guns for criminals is not through private exchanges generally. They are getting them off the streets. They are getting them straw purchases. What it affects is the lawabiding and they use this gun show loophole rigmarole all the time. They have interviewed the department of justice interviews regularly people in jail and i guess they tell the truth about where they get their gun. One person say it again showed you. Host calling it a gun show loophole exists something i agree with because a the conscious there are a lot of licensed dealers. Guest i talked to the head of of the gun Show Association because atf has regulated more than normal. Its up to 90 at guns shows and that gun show loophole is another craze invented for the northeast in and places like that in places like virginia where they have gun shows all the time. People go and they know its not a hotbed of criminals running around shooting each other. To someone who doesnt know the issue and isnt familiar it does sound a little bit scary but its not a source of criminal guns. The reason that they could not get 60 votes in the senate is because the Grassley Cruz alternative as we said is a way to strengthen the straw purchasers get Mental Health records and all these kinds of things strengthen the prosecution denials and those things that are solutions where as Manchin Toomey was saying hey we live next door to each other but we are going to have to drive all the way down the street find a gun dealer to do and at the i check and frankly you now and i put this in the document in my book there was a memo written by the Justice Department. I have asked the Justice Department repeatedly who they wrote it for and where it went that they wont say. The nra got a copy of it in and it says the universal background check which is there for noaa term will not do anything to reduce crime unless you have a registration of all the guns in america and the public overwhelmingly opposes universal checks. Host i was drawn to it and i think its a good thing you did mention it in the book. It was analyzed and what universal checks can do is insufficient for ensuring the firearm owners are eligible. You can legally own a gun but then commit bank robbery or something and become an eligible if youre convicted of a crime and its not a good mechanism for checking back on people like that. It does say that most states do not have a firearm registry for ownership so consequently its hard to go back and find out if you are getting the right people if you are doing universal background checks barring the right people from guns but it doesnt anywhere say you need a federal system. Guest go down to the very bottom. Universal checks are insufficient for ensuring recovering guns the nexttolast paragraph. Recovering guns from those that become an eligible is likely effective. There is evidence for that. It says the challenge is implementing host thats it. Guest some states maintain registries of ownership it gone registration increases on her responsibly by directly connecting on her with the gun and to improve Law Enforcement ability to retrieve guns from owners who are prohibited from possessing firearms. [inaudible] guest thats exactly what it says. And registration allows for the monitoring of multiple gun purchases in a short. Of time. Host that is what it does. Guest that is the recommendation. Firearm Prevention Strategies by the Justice Department. There is a little twitter summary on these things in there is a twitter on universal background checks and a persons ability to reduce straw purchasing requiring registration. Host in states where they have it. Guest no, well we disagree on that. Host you go too far. Guest while i dont. I look back at obamas career and they see him from the beginning saying i want a ban on handguns. Not just in 96. When he is running for ellen i said that he expanded that i would like to ban handguns. Theres a history here of this and when he got into the senate he was one of 30 members who voted for regulating ammunition. Host in his first four years as president would whether the duquette to cut things. Sinobot that lets you take a gun if if you own one of board amtrak trains and two take a gun onto an international park. That is all he did. Guest no one has gotten reelected to his run on gun control. Host i dont think we are ever going to get to the point where people who support gun rights and im one of them and i believe it is a constitutional right and i wish the people who support gun control like mayor bloomberg would take up more seriously than they do but youll never find Common Ground. There must be things we can agree on like improving Mental Health or to making sure that states provide the names of people who shouldnt be provided guns from dealers get into that federal fbi registry. We will never be able today progress on that and make things like new town if not impossible at least less likely to happen unless we stop calling each other names and throwing slogans at each other and i think thats all they did in the senate. It would surprise me to learn that anybody besides Manchin Toomey and schumer have actually read any of the legislation. Guest i dont think schumer did because he threw his name out at the last minute. Host he was working on a proposal like that. Guest the schumer one didnt even go to the floor and thats how rush this thing. They took a bill that they knew wouldnt be on the floor saying we are going to change it later in the committee. Host are gun politics has become really sloganeering and not an attempt to wrestle with serious issues at hand. Isnt it legitimate to want to protect the right of the public to live in safety with the 300 million guns we have in the country . Every gun owner guest that is why they have begun, so they are safer. Host shouldnt there be a way we can talk to each other about these things rationally and try to find Common Ground rather than say your proposal you want to ban guns and you want to take my guns away and you dont want to talk with me. Guest its only coming and want direction. If theyre coming from the Obama Bloomberg side. I think you and i would agree there are enough laws on the books that exist. Enforcing the laws the issue. We are not enforcing them correctly. Not one person ive heard this year has said here is a new law that will actually make the world and the country safer and you safer. There are already so many laws. People are not being prosecuted but i also think the push for gun control has very little to do with Public Safety because gun crime as we have discussed earlier is dramatically down and its gone down every year. Its going down so things are actually working. Why this became the number one issue of the obama demonstration this year and the number one issue of the senate and all of march and april, thats all they talked about when people are safer now than ever. Host people fall back on their core beliefs. Limburg for instance right now on is arguing that the stopandfrisk practice in the new York Police Department which he keeps saying is responsible for murders are only a quarter of what they were 20 years ago. Guest those things do work and i agree with bloomberg. Stopandfrisk if you see someone about to commit a crime find out host thats impossible that its responsible for all of that. Guest they are not down in d. C. Host they are way down from [inaudible] all throughout the country crime is down. Guest to several factors at play but the major ones are of mandatory sentencing for gun crimes the stronger prosecution, more policing on the streets. Those are the things that really get those guys off the streets and get illegal guns off the streets. Host programs like the ones you mentioned in the book like ceasefire where they have in washington and chicago and other places. This is where the police and others work with people and members of criminal gangs and people who have gone straight or serve time in prison and seeing that theyre a waste to come back and talk about young people in gangs about how distractive, selfdestructive it is to rely on guns for security and so on. Guest there are so many factors. The issue is so complicated. Its not going to boil down to one or two simple fixes. You have got they are not graduating from school in inner cities and most of these crimes are innercity crimes. Not graduating from school plus all the other things. There is a lot at play. Host most of the victims of violent gun crime are black and hispanic people in poor neighborhoods. Guest yes, absolutely. That is not what the president upon this talk about in mayor bloomberg has spent tens of thousands of dollars and theyre not seeing him representing the kids on the streets. Host i think his policy while its aims may be wellintentioned its been badly carried out by inexperienced Police Officers who offend more people with stopandfrisk then explained to them. Guest stopandfrisk is a tough issue because you have to guard between the right keeping their arms and searches and seizures versus you see a bad guy who looks like he has a gun. Things like that do help produce reduce crimes in cities but as far as just overall where you have crime going down and decreasing why is this becoming such a National Agenda . The president talked about three days ago passed more executive actions completely pointless on importing historic guns that are 50 years old and things like this. Its become such a political issue but yet when the Justice Department releases a study in may saying that crime is down so much and nonfatal shootings are down 70 and 20 years. Bloomberg is silent. In fact i called his office and i said are you guys going to release anything . I going to talk about this . They said oh they are using other weapons. And things are really much better. Host people talk of the low side to their mouse on this issue and you dont speak to for the nra and im not trying to force you to but they are constantly telling members like me that they need more money to fight off proposals that keep me from buying guns and people like me from buying guns and you need a gun because the police cant always be there and crime is still a problem. Well, it is but as you point out its a half or quarter of the problem it was 20 years ago so why keep spreading fearmongering basically . If not just to sell a gun because that is what the gun control people say the nra is doing. Guest the person who is selling the most guns in history as president obama. Host you point that out in your book. Guest some of the Public Companies and private Companies CompaniesFreedom Group is one of the biggest. Their sales were up 50 last year and during obamas term the Public Companies, the biggest number has been since obama announced his agenda because heres what happens. You start to say to people people love their ar15 says the most popular rifle in america. There are 5 million around. And all of the 11,000 people murdered by fire there are 300. Its handguns yet obama from day one of this tragedy push through Diane Feinsteins bill putting it at 40 bus because everyone knows it has absolute nothing to do with crime. Host if they hadnt pushed for the ban on semiautomatic rifles some of these other measures might have passed. Guest nk they n to divide them up like lumping them together. If you had picked out pieces the problem was for everyone i talk to his familiar with the White House Legislative Affairs office and senator reids office as president obama was pushing so hard to get a vote on this. And. This is what they are recommended with the above agenda that it is forbidden as it should be. You have the irs is targeting conservatives the nsa spies on all of us. We know that they go through a record sandy bill. No one believes the federal government when they say were not keeping track. Host that is a good point. Guest if you do you are being spied. Though i just go the nsa is that email. [laughter] especially this year outrageously evasive with federal government is no privacy i am a get under the and my gut it is registered. I have zero doubt they will go back to the viet my guide will not be grandfathered in they will get back. Host with the board fascinating things and then actually bought and registered. No crime theyre all be committed by. They will not go to the 17 steps like the five hourglass which was eliminated last year, can you imagine a criminal . I need to take my 20. Question test . It is ridiculous. The only ones to get are the most blighted lawabiding. Thank they allowed the government to know about them. It was obligatory registration of process. Nobody trusts the federal government but even the states that have them there was a us do this thing of the ballistics test if my goodness dolan they can trace it back to me. I am under 17 steps a of the background check and figure prints twice you can be pretty sure you dont need my ballistics. Host these draconian regulations claim innocent victims. And those with the gun laws . Three recent veterans that i detail of my book they just dont exist anywhere else. Not all because i get defensive over washington d. C. Having the worst grandmas and i you very competitive over that. Chicago says we have a bad because they just got that in july. I with began. I am defensive with the point is that most of the country they dont have crazy things like those that serve to tour just got back from coast about a wonderful soldier and he was illegally transporting they were locked not loaded he was injured in afghanistan and left his guns there he went to pick them up and he stopped at walter reed for a check of his injuries and in doing so i got turned around and got pulled over and the d. C. Police claim that by stopping for medical treatment he was no vulgar medical she was a logger transporting so just to clarify it was unloaded a deadlocked it your trunk you can drive state to state and stop for gas. I the guy that went to trial he would have won but they settled. He has been serving our country and was injured in throated jail he had to get a lawyer is spent the night night, and eventually he took a plea deal it after one year dropped the charges active duty. We sent him to afghanistan he was the first attended he is still serving then they seized the deads it would that give them back to him. And tell my story was read his constituents said give him back his gun as today. After two years. Another story briefly started corey ged who did not register his guns because that is normal in the rest of america he said i cannot just believe they would not just arrest me i know people are worried about that. His guns were unloaded and locked in cases where they go to the story how the s. W. A. T. Team came into his house and put him in jail for two weeks. Two weeks. He served iraq he actually had pds the symptoms. Water redoing . These are the dangerous people we give them guns to go across the world to protect our freedom in another story there were rounds of ammunition but no gun. I talk a lot to the rankandfile police and the union and the head of the union police of washington d. C. Frequent police, they do not support these laws and a nationally 15,000 Law Enforcement survey 95 percent of all obama guncontrol by the obama are opposed by lawenforcement they are wasting time when they could be going after the actual criminal who just love to the girl walking down the street. Lawenforcement opposes all of these many time he has the police behind him with those of the appointed Police Chiefs better appointed by the liberal buyers. To say do i want to change sugh because you have 10 rounder to want to go after the guy who shot someone on the corner . You describe how you rand in to Justice Scalia with your opinion that made handguns illegal finally. At the white house correspondents dinner. He said something that how they eventually cant bear arms. Tell us about what he said a and what you think will happen in that regard. It and introducing the i am mortified prolife i of the complete super fan but they do so much you gave me the right to get a gun. He something. [laughter] but that is the last place and then they passed a law so to say are you pretty up the barricades . But intel you make a decision i did that say it then but all five of these days that have guncontrol are all facing lawsuits new york, a connecticut, colorado they will end up at the Supreme Court i have no doubt they are limiting what you can carry voice so those are the two states that were very hopeful that happens while we have a majority he said he was exercising regularly and taking care of himself and he said he was then she pointed to his tuxedo pocket and said what is this . He said only on special occasions. [laughter] host to get to the point to talk with each other for those that support the rights jordan control control, to get them to talk of people that we can agree on it takes recognition by each side seriously. The when you react to an newtown must be something that we can do. Every betty says that. I totally agree. We all want to do something. That is human nature. I can redo to never stop this from happening . And us and a schoolteacher it is such a horror but legislation cannot be based on Human Emotion but on policy and evidence and fact. Because once the emotions inside down but if we did this in a way and not politicians that could talk to each other the politicians will always stick to their guns unintended. Host thank you very much. I enjoyed it. Is a great honor to did viet this bookstore this