Some going to start with a story. When i was a kid probably when i was 11 or 12 just entering adolescence, i lived in a house and we had a big front porch. A and i discovered one summer that if you open the window to my ope bedroom you could go out onto the roof of the front porch. The you know for a kid at that ageemed rea that seemed a real daring thing to do. Ego out on tfihe summer afternoon, their feet with your shirt off. Off and i wasnt that while the kids so that was a wild thing to do. We like to do it but in the neighborhood you grow up in there is always that kid who is kind of a wild kid, who will do anything and in my neighborhood that was teddy hannibal. One day we were sitting out there on the roof feeling very daring and he is like what is up . Next thing you knew, his head popped out the window and he started climbing out, never asked permission just started climbing out and as he did so he goes have you ever jumped off the roof . Are you kidding . I dont even like to get close, almost fell off. I dont even like to get close to the edge of the roof. Go like that, you want to get really close to use to get on my hands and knees and crawl out so teddy animals that have you ever climbed off, jumped off the roof as he is climbing out the window and as he says that he starts walking to the edge and keeps walking and walked right off the edge of the roof and we all went running over teddy had double was gone and next thing you know his head pops out the window again and this time he didnt even pause. He just runs and led off roofs and did at five times in a row. Teddy hannibal coming back and forth and my mom was sitting in the living room and shut all seesaw was the neighborhood bully violating the laws of physics kept coming through, but didnt go down and my mom came running out horrified, you guys jumping off the roof . We werent jumping off the roof just teddy hannibal was and she got mad at us and made us promise to get off the roof or not jump, a promise never to jump off the roof which we did and soon after that Katie Hannibal went home. My friends did too but my problem was teddy hannibal was younger than i was and i had to jump off the roof. I couldnt leave it at that. Katie hannibal left everybody went home and i was standing on the edge of the roof. I wont go into the long details of it, but the story is that i did jump off the roof and lived to tell the tale and might mother did find out about it. It is the metaphor for everything we do in my life and my professional life. When people ask me when they hear i went around the world 50,000 miles around the world to the worlds most dangerous buses, boats, trains and planes i took a bus across afghanistan or in the middle of a war or went to live with very remote people for head hunters and former cannibals in the southwest coast of new guinea they always say but werent you scared . My answer is always what is there to be scared of . But that is a lot. The reality is i am petrified all the time. I am scared all the time. The thing is i am not scared of bodily injury. I wasnt really that day on the roof of a wasnt really worried i was going to jump off the roof and die and break my leg. Wasnt that high. There was grass below and teddy hannibal have obviously done a bunch of times with no ill effects at all. I think what i am scared of really is the total commitment necessary for doing what i do, getting under the skin of a place and the situation and for me in order to do what i have to do, i have to subsume myself absolutely and completely and i have to give Everything Else up and i have to make these places or situations, the whole entire center of my universe and that is hard to do ended feels scary. You can to jump off the roof half way you have to just jump surrender completely and that is always frightening to me, the best example of this is my book savage harvest about the disappearance of Michael Rockefeller, i dont know how many of you know the story, in 1961 michael was the son of nelson, nelson was the governor of new york at the time, michael graduated from harvard and went to new guinea to work on the film and heard about the asmac people who worked in the southwest coast of what is now indonesia and papua in new guinea and they were magnificent carvers and very complex people and his father created what was then called the museum of primitive art which was opened in 1957 and michael was named a trustee at the age of 19 and he had been brought up in the world of art like most American Kids are brought up in the world of jumping off roofs, of baseball. He heard about at and the quick reconnaissance mission. In 1961 and he liked what he saw, and went back in the fall. Crossing of the mouth of the river, dutch colleague, and long story short he swam and violated the first rule of yachting and he swam for shore with two and the gasoline can strapped to his waist and disappeared forever and there was the huge search and rescue, Nelson Rockefeller and michaels sister mary flew to new guinea, spend a few weeks not actually in asmac but 150 miles away, there was no place for them to be no place for them to stay and no sign of them and after that, when home after two weeks, after three the dutch canceled the search and rescue operation and that was it. Not long after that the first rumors began to surface that michael had made it to shore and been killed and even consumed by some local as mats from one particular village but those were just one of many, one of many crazy rumors that existed for 50 years and when i started poking ground it was a story that haunted me for years decades really hands i started looking around and i started off ultimately what i did was hire a researcher in the netherlands because the was a former dutch colony who started looking in the archives of the Colonial Government and the catholic church, and started finding hundreds of pages of documents that had never been seen before. This incredible story, the basics, the amazing complicated story but the essence of is there had been, they were, they practiced head hunting and cannibalism and constant interim village warfare in two villages had gotten into a struggle about a battle of 124 men who had sat out one day in 1957 only 12 made it home alive. The dutch were trying to pacify the azmat. A good way to pacify people is to come into the village with a lot of heavy weaponry. A Dutch ColonialPatrol Officer had arrived in the of village with a bunch of armed Soldiers Police men and everybody had panicked and he was frightened of the azmat, he was a classic colonial. He writes in his report and memoirs that he wanted to teach them a message and show the power of the dutch government and opened fire and killed five people and in the hole cosmology of the azmat, the azmat lived in a world of reciprocity, balancing the world, balanced with death and the most important fundamental themes in azmat culture is the idea of balance. Any debt required balancing death and the azmat were unable to reciprocate the deaths of the people murdered because there was no other village, no tribe down the river is that they could go and attack. Two priests who had been live in in azmat who spoke local language, they were close to the people, close to the villages first heard a couple weeks after mys disappearance heard rumors that the village had encountered michael he had swum to shore one morning just as 50 men work taking a break where the river enters the ocean and they encountered michael and killed him and they have eaten him in reciprocity for max duprees killing and had done extensive investigations and so much so that they named names and named to head michaels head and certain body parts, femur and tibia, and file those reports to the dutch government and the government suppressed those reports and is even more complicated and amazing than that. I had all these documents and i had this pretty clerestory but to understand what really happens to michael, why the azmat had killed him, why this was so important and was this something the dutch imagine, that the priests imagine or did it really happen . I had to go to azmat. Azmat is a hard place. Even today it is 10,000 square miles of swamp, absolutely no rocks, the 0 hills, there is one micelles tower, one grass airstrip in 10,000 square miles no roads, no cars and you cant go on line for instance and see lists of hotels in the main town, but this was two years ago to click on anything none of those links work. So i arrived there and took me all little bit of time to find a translator, somebody who spoke english and a guy with a boat. Everywhere you go, you go on both ends to dont tell from what i was doing, i said i was a journalist from america interested in azmat culture. Kpzi. Q ive been all over the world and asmat is one of the most difficult places ive ever been. For a host of reasons. Both physically because its so remote and its hot and muggy and there are no facilities are there whatsoever but also the asmat are a complex and fascinating people. Its the only place ive ever been where people dont really ask you any questions about yourself other than your family. Because they are really so in most cases, and most of the village is so disconnected from the outside world. And we traveled gradually closer and closer to the villages and finally arrived at there. I was getting, there was all this back story i wanted to hear from asmat. I wanted to find a people had remembered the battle and i wanted to see if they remembered max lapres raid. First off they started telling me about i did ask about max lapres raid in the battle, and the started telling me stories. And then it sort of made my hair stand up. I didnt know if i was projecting or imagining things or but the people were not very receptive. When it first got there all the men came and they gathered around me in these smoke rooms. It would be 45 people squished into a room and it would be looking at me very intently and were trying to have these conversations. And when i asked them questions about max lapre and about the battle, they told me a lot. It was fascinating to hear, but there was this reticence this growing reticence. And one day my translator said to me they are afraid. And i said what are they afraid of . He said, well, there was this american tourist who was killed here. And i said american tourist . Ive never heard of somebody who have been killed, an american who been killed in asmat . I said what was his name . He said the name i could recognize it. I said what . He said at five times. It took a while for me to realize this was the name that is very hard for an asmat to pronounce but it was Michael Rockefeller. I said, Michael Rockefeller,ays these . He said he was this american who came your and all the villagers killed him and every asmat knows vil this. My father told me this. My he was from a village very closethis by and confessed to him that i was really here searching for what happened to Michael Rockefeller your for what happened to Michael Rockefeller. It is a long complex story and that is why the book is 90,000 words but i made two trips and at the end of the second trip this is all during my first journey to there, i couldnt get anyone to talk to me at all. Nobody would come, they wouldnt even come and sit with us. I got this back story about things but there was a lot that i was missing but we to months had passed, and i lost 10 or 15 pounds and was running out of money and my visa was running out and it was time to go home and i did and i had all this archival data and Archival Research and i had what somewhat limited the amount of stuff azmat had told me so i started writing my book and a couple months in to what i just stopped one day and put my pin down, closed my eyes laptop is what you would say and realized i didnt have any idea what i was doing, what i was talking about and i had the longest i had spent had been four days at a stretch and i had violated a cardinal sin of journalism in that i was parachuted into a place and expected too much from people. I wasnt even asking if winded fire started . I was asking people about a murder and cannibalism, some things that they understood was transgress of and had that huge impact on the village and its history and i really didnt understand the azmat at all and i didnt understand azmat culture and i had been there with his entourage and my translator had an assistant and my boat captain had an assistant and the cook had an assistant and i had flown a translator to translate my translator. I didnt know every question i asked, the question i asked was the question the azmat heard and i didnt know what their answers werent in every respect i sort of failed to jump off the roof. I tried to kind of hate off the roof. What i needed to do, i should tell you as i left azmat after my last visit, you wave to people when you are leaving and they waved back. I have this incredible photograph of me waving to these guys on the bait and this is what they are doing. I didnt have much room for with them and reporters everything and i decided i needed to go back and i needed to go back in a very different way and i needed to go back followed. I needed to speak the language. I needed to not have to depend on translators. I needed to live there. I needed to stay there long her and i needed to do it in a complete be profoundly different way and i was afraid to do it. I was afraid because it is a hard place to be but i found at teacher, is part of indonesia. Account azmat would have been impossible to learn. At my home in washington d. C. Every other day for a couple hours we started getting together and seven months after i left i returned. As soon as i hit indonesians they started i was texting of the boat guy and he didnt speak english and one day i get this text back that says carl hoffman speaks indonesian. Honestly my indonesian was pretty bad and pretty limited at that time but it was true. I could never communicate before and it made all the difference. Suddenly i was making arrangements and willem met me at the crazy ship when we arrived and i am talking to him and everybody, it is one thing to go to a place and leave and it is completely different to go there again to return some place. It makes all the difference in the world. Not that many tourists go there and the ones who do very few come back. I came back and everybody walking down the street people were waving at me and they recognize me. My hotel recognized me. Seven months later and this time i could speak to them and understand them and i didnt really have a plan for what i was going to do. I just wanted to go there and live there and stay with somebody. I needed to stay with an elder someone who had some power and who knew the history. Willem said to me kokai is. He was an elder i had met before. He was kind of a brusque powerful guy who with his hair sticking out and all these fetters sticking out of it and he said kokai is there and i will bring him to your hotel. I got up early the next morning at dawn, there are no streets there, it is just a sort of moldy boardwalk swamp. I am walking along and this man passes me and does a double take and i do a double take it is kokai. Seven months later this guy from the village recognized me what you doing here . I said what you doing and theyre, i could understand him. I am here to see my son. A bunch of kids from different lives and this is a place, they are catholics but have three why this so i said i want to come but can i live with you . And he goes live with me . I said yes why not. Long story, willem and high and kokai, kokai had no money to get back to his village. I had the money so i said i would pay for the trip back so he went back to the village. We climbed down, and i had a satellite phone. I said to willem i will call you when i want you to pick me up. Of you dont hear from me in a month come get me. Of place i was incredibly intimidated by, every time i had been there i felt i couldnt pierce it at all and the people were really everywhere i have been in the world people were incredibly gracious and incredibly friendly and this was a place where i didnt feel that. I was trying to investigate their deepest darkest secrets so i was pretty nervous about it all end not to mention it is difficult. There is no plumbing or electricity or store. It is mud and rain and trees, you smoke a lot. Willem climbed in his boat and he was gone and i was there by myself but it was completely different in every way all because suddenly all the old men in the village came and sat down in kokais room and patted me on the shoulder, and patted me on the shoulder and that is what it was like for a month, i just sat there, theres not much to do. I didnt ask questions like a reporter. All i did was wake up and smoke a cigarette and drink my coffee with kokai in the mornings and build a new mens house, incredible 120 foot structures, no nails, no blueprints, and building that as a time of great feasting and celebration and i just sat there and gradually ease they could come on and sit down in the long house and they were drumming and singing and sometimes they would from ends in 24 hours a day. Amazing, beautiful sort of frances almost i had no connection to the outside world that all. Only after three weeks to ice the asking questions but the questions i was asking were very different than the questions i had asked before. It wasnt what happened to Michael Rockefeller, did you kill him, which part did you eat . It was like trying to find you dont investigate a black hole by looking at the black hole, you can see anything. You have to look around the black holes july asked who were the men who had been killed by max dupree . Who were in the . What word their positions in the village . It turned out they were five mens houses, a physical thing and also a clan and the head of those plans, the war leader spiritual leaders, most important person in the village and their word five jeu leaders said he had killed four of the five, the most important men in the village and i wanted to know who the men who were named in the priests reports who had killed michael and allegedly told michael and bob taken the most important body parts and those men were related to the men killed by max dupree by blood and had taken over depositions and the mens houses and they carried at sacred obligation. This idea of sacredness is not something easily understood to us in the western world now but for the azmat especially in those days this was incredibly powerful. They carried this obligation to reciprocate michaels death and there were other questions like that that i asked and that they told me and stories and songs and it was ultimately even though there was all this evidence even before i started that michael had been killed there it was my experience living in the village and staying with them and getting to know the azmat as people and cultures that convinced me that michael had been killed and their fathers, kokai was listed as one of the people present at michaels debt and other men i was hanging out with. It convinced me without a doubt and there are other things too. One story in particular that i wont tell you. You have to read the book. Those two experiences going to azmat were 180 degrees different. Once again it reaffirmed to me the importance that even though it is really scary sometimes, you have to dive in really deeply and as a writer that is the most important thing of all, to give up myself in order to understand the rest of the world so thank you very much. [applause] i am happy to take any questions you have. I think there is a process, you are supposed to go up and talking to the mic. You use the term reciprocity. It is had good question. Partly yes but there were other michael, not michael the five deaths were part of a larger, 17 deaths had taken place over a few years and he was one of them. Unfortunately in a venue like this, azmat cosmology is complicated and i wish i could explain more year but dont have the time but the short answer is yes. Next one. I have a question about they understood eventually you were there writing a book, was their understanding . I assume they had a storytelling tradition . Was their understanding what a book was . Did they have books there and did they understand the physical object you created . Good question. The question is what did they understand of my being there . I was writing a book. Today have books . Do they have a storytelling tradition . On the one hand i am not sure i can answer your question. They are amazing story tellers. They live in a world where everything is live because theres no electricity. If you want to hear a song you have to sing a song. If you want to hear music you have to played music. You have to tell us story. That is everybody is an amazing story teller, very incredibly graphic. They talk about a canoe and duke and see it going down the river. The talk about war and getting your head chopped off, i told them always i was honest and i am a journalist. I am a writer and i am writing this book did everything but i dont know how much they understood that. Every zealot has a school in and people are illiterate to a certain degree and some people completely there are azmat to complete college but they are funny. They just dont never been in a place where people dont ask, do you have a family, that is sort of its. They didnt really ask me many questions and i didnt the subject, nobody really ask to be very detailed and the subject never came up. Is a good question ultimately i think they understood and they knew what i was doing. They were pretty smart. I should know the answer to this one but you said 1961 michael disappear. When did you go back to investigate . I went twice in 2012. The question was michael was killed and 61, when did i go back . I went back twice in 2012. Could you describe your first night at kokais . I am trying to imagine. Can i describe my first night at kokais house. It is on the equator so it gets dark every evening at 6 30. Theres not a long twilight. It gets dark pretty quickly. The sun drops, it is very hot, huge and incredible number, they start pouring out of the house and you just sort of sit in the darkness. There is one kerosene way in turn and it is pretty random. The azmat today dont have the same sense of time the we do because they dont need to. Sometimes they are awake 24 hours a day drumming and singing and doing what they do and sometimes at 7 00 they all fall asleep. Kokai, there were 20 of us living there. He was the patriarch of about 50 and give you are just sitting around everyone just sort of falls over and goes to sleep. There is no bed. Nobody has a bed or anything. They just go to sleep and at 4 30 in the morning they set up. Babies start crying. Sometimes there up until 11 00 telling stories. The first night, honestly when i was first there every hour felt like a week. Time moved slowly and the last american missionary, vince kohl told me this is the hardest months of your life and he had been there for 37 years and a remarkable and admirable man. At first it was hard ultimately i felt sad to leave, time to start to pass and i felt more at home there even though i was never really at home. That first night, it was a very long sort of awkward just sitting there and dont know what to do. Part of the reason, when i say that i get scared to go to these places is i dont i try not to have any needs. Try not to make my needs, and try not to have any. I dont sit there going to looking at my watch when a we going to bed . Where is my dear . Where is my toilet paper . I try to wait and when they go to bed i go to bed, when they eat i eat, what they eat i eat, they eat worms i eat worms. They are really delicious. That is a long winded answer to your question. I wondered if you could tell us, how did you get there . What did you do first . How did you get there . How did i make the leap from a 13yearold afraid to leap off the roof to doing what i do . I dont know. Just a slow process, continuous i have a huge curiosity, really. And a need to understand famous, a huge desire to try to understand famous. As a writer and reporter, i am constantly battling with that fear, you want to go in, theres the many elements you can do another one to make more money and i am trying to support a family all these years so it is a constant battle between wanting to go in and rush out and realizing over and over again it is not enough, you are not going to get what you need unless you go deeper and pushing myself always always hitting myself in the head, go back, go deeper, jump off that roof so would is not an easy thing for me but here we are. I loved your book and when i went to see the exhibit, the Michael Rockefeller wing i had started reading your book had finished but started reading enough that my friend would devour the book you got to read this book now. It meant so much more to me when i started seeing that room is staggering and i am reading all the little placards that they used in a ceremonial one ever going what . It is interesting the way museums operate. From my experience that exhibit that exhibit is so much more meaningful because of your work and informed by what you know about the azmat and i am wondering has there been any possibility of trying to enhance that exhibit in the way it is presented or in terms of the Rockefeller Family quote or what you are finding . That was a long question. The answer to the question is the rockefellers wanted nothing to do with the book. There is a lot of sensitivity there. Really the essence of those descriptions you talk about that they are sort of hints that this is ceremonial, and these big 20 23 foot high sort of totem poles that are the essence, the largest most spectacular piece of art and they are complicated but they are promises to reciprocated death and the polls, the ceremony as are in complete until the debt has been reciprocated and to literally the blood of the debt is rubbed into the polls and polls are put out in the field their primary source of nutrition to rot and feed the sago and complete the cycle. It is sort of hinted at. It is fair but it is a little anesthetized. My friend said look at the red. The read it isnt blood. Almost amazing thing about that exhibit is understanding and it is phenomenal. Everybody who can should go to the Michael Rockefeller waned. Most amazing fame is the back story. Those polls, the ones that he got from a modest carved by finished this. It says carved by the ineptness. You look at that carved by john but that is incredibly important to the story of Michael Rockefeller, he was the leader of the came to the place in 1957 and they were at war and they had these complex connections and he convinced a bunch of men to go on this voyage to the sacred pool 50 miles south. It was just a lower because they wanted these mens heads so he convince these men to go and they massacred them all. Which led to max duprees rate which led to the killing of michael so when you look at that you go well. Michael didnt even know that when he collected those polls. He obviously knew then that this had caught that hole but didnt know the relationship, there is no reference in michaels journals or any of the letters i have seen, i have seen all of them, that referred to knowledge of those events. They were just three years before him. Max dupree was a margin in 1958. Knowing all that makes the story on all sides more powerful. A few for your great story. Wonderful. Michael rockefeller was an innocent victim, how did you know you would not be the next one . Everybody can hear them. The azmat to not practiced cannibalism any longer. The dutch were making a concerted effort and snacks to prays raid in 1961 and there are stories of battles up until 1980, 79 in remoter parts of a very remote place but indonesia took over in 1962 it indonesians were incredibly if they were worse than the dutch. They burned all the longhouses and forbid all ceremony, all feasting and carving for years, an american missionaries, americans took over from the dutch and where there for years and years and they slowly brought carving and feasting back with the permission of indonesians so it is a pretty remarkable place a you feel you are in a place that is very different but i was never afraid that i would be a victim. You are afraid of little bit that you might cut yourself and get an infection, tropical mad and that might end your leg or something but no worry about getting consumed. I think you answered this but the rockefellers had no reaction . No. I tried to communicate. The Rockefeller Family, the important one is mary, michaels twin sister who is alive and well and was deeply affected by his death. I tried to communicate with her prior. I did have some communication before the book came out but ultimately she never responded and cbs sunday morning did a segment in april after the book came out, she did appear on air but she didnt say much. She says we prefer to celebrate how we live and how he died. That is pretty much it. One of the mysteries is what they know of themselves privately. Is an open question. The Michael Rockefeller story. I want to go back to we read, other than what is in this story what is the most intriguing and memorable plays you have been to and why is that . The most intriguing and memorable place i have been too is a tricky question. I would say azmat. It is my most recent project. Honestly it trumps everywhere. I went all kinds of crazy places, took a bus across northern afghanistan and bangladesh and went to this island, indonesia, i had never heard of, no one knew where it was, didnt know where the ferry was going. I had no idea of those things but they are all trumped by azmat and my experience there. One of the problem is with litter take is i am traveling at a higher rate of speed. I didnt settle down or go as deeply as i would have wanted to which i did azmat. How have they the indonesians feel about their polls in new york city . That is a good question. No one has ever said i phalange i dont know about the indonesians. That is a good question. I need to be careful how i say this but indonesians are much more protective of job and culture than they are of some of the other Indigenous People of indonesia of the archipelago. There is the museum, a museum of culture and progress that has a lot of really great stuff in it and one day i was in the museum manage the man who was sweeping the floor is his i started talking to, he was kind of the janitor there and he said my grandfather built the canoe he didnt really know that it was in the net but it cannot that that was the canoe. One thing i say in the book is michael and others before and after, wasnt just him he is buying this stuff for opinions, fishhooks, filament fishing line, steal axe heads and fitness, his total expenses amount to 7,000 and that included not just that included his food and his boat and Everything Else when he was there and all the stuff that was shipped home very quickly, he wasnt just putting in the boat it was too much, most of what he collected survived and was shipped home very fast. Was an exhibition in the museum of art in 1962. The first insurance appraisal was in august of 1962 for 286,000 so the value, and i dont know where they come up with that number so you can question. If you had gone and bought mineral rights for fishhooks people would be all over you. What were the women like . Women. I didnt mention women. There is a reason for that and faddists azmat is a very Traditional Patriarchal Society meeting more so than even the extreme end of things. It is so interesting and so complicated. There is this whole sort of appropriation of female fertility, male seaman exchange men mail bond mates, have sex all this stuff, even as they have multiple wives, but it is hard to talk to them. I had no interaction with them whatsoever except to bring the food. Kokai got mad at me when i watched my clothes in the river my wife will do that. Lower women do all the work. Men sit around and smoke and they do ceremonial stuff but the women get up at dawn and get the fire is going and feed everybody and all get in a canoe and pile 3 miles down to the ocean where they walk through ocean water dragging nets all day catching shrimp, tiny little shrug and a little fish and go into the woods and the jungle and chop wood and get huge funnels of would they put in their backs and pile three miles up the river and then they got the kids a lot of times and have to prepare food. Is a hard life to be a woman but i always say just because i dont know anything and not much has been written about azmat with an obviously doesnt mean what appears to be a culture in which we did have very little importance or powered isnt necessarily true. We men harper lee to the mens world and we are the writers. If you know of any ph. D. Candidates for women looking for a thesis, a woman could go live in azmat and come of with remarkable stuff. 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Was also a chance to test out their weaponry. So people speak of the spanish civil war. A relatively small war in a little backward part of europe as a test bed or a trial run with the second world war. And everybody who got into the war on whatever side from elsewhere in the world tried to test out whatever new equipment they had. The soviet union in fact back to the republic for a while except that they didnt donate equipment they gave. They sold it to them for spanish gold. You can watch this and other programs online at booktv. Org. Each month representative tom cole of oklahoma releases a reading list on his website. Heres a look at the congressmans recommended books its focus on the life of dwight d. Eisenhower. He is currently reading those angry days by lynne olson which looks at the interval debates over the u. S. Involvement in world war ii. And ariza finished Paul Johnsons book eisenhower a life. He recommends stephen ambroses two volume biography of eisenhower which traces his past from soldier to president. Next on the list is going home to glory, mmr of the president by his grandson David Eisenhower and davids wife julie nixon eisenhower. Also on the list is eisenhower the white house years. Next is eisenhowers personal account of the strategies battles and outcomes of world war ii in trend 17. And completing the list he represents Jean Edward Smith portrait of the 34th president in eisenhower in war peace. To see what other books congressman cole has recommended, visit cole. House. Gov. And youre watching booktv on on cspan2. Heres our primetime lineup for tonight. [applause] thank you. Thank you for much. [applause] thank you for coming today. Thank you for that introduction. I want to thank you, Miami Dade College for hosted me today announced not to be here. I said the center that we did here with small businesses. Im not an institution in america this open the doors to our American Dreams than Miamidade College has. Is a huge treasure for our community. We thank you for your service to her community and ultimately to our country. Thank you for being here today. I want to spend a few moments talking about the boat or the title of the book is American Dreams. The American Dream has nothing to do with how much money you make. It