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They were elbow to elbow with lee harvey oswald. Harmonizing and saying that everyone has the right to be happy, a song that i remember. Not that i came away from new york city to enjoy a chorus line of president ial assassins, but mostly because of the virtue of the man who brought one of them back to life. I was there to visit chester woods, it once belonged to the artist responsible for the Abraham Lincoln sculpture in the Lincoln Memorial. A nonsedating fourhour bus ride from Port Authority to see the room where some chesler came up with the marble statue, for some reason none of my friends wanted to come wife. Because i had to stay overnight, and this being new england, the only place to stay was a bed and breakfast. It was a lovely old country mansion operated by amiable people that said that i am not a bed and breakfast person. I understand why other people would want to stay in them, they are pretty impersonal and queens and that is a polite way of saying no tv. They are romantic, and example every object large enough for a flower printed on it will have a flower printed on it. [laughter] every conceivable flat surface is covered in knickknacks. Except for the one that a woman longs for come a remote control. The real reason that they make me nervous is breakfast. As if its not queasy enough to stay in a strangers home and sleep in a bed with 19 pillows, in the morning, the wheat intolerant guests are served baked goods on flights of fancy any normal person would keep them locked in a china cabinet even if Queen Victoria herself rose from the dead and showed up for tea. The guests are expected to chat with the other strangers staying in strangers home. Im seated at a table with one englishman and an elderly couple from connecticut. They make small talk about golf and the weather and the rooms chandeliers, one of which is apparently venetian. I cannot think of a thing to say to these people. Seated at the head of the table, i am the black hole of breakfast. Sucking the sunshine out of their neighborly new england day. That is not the kind of girl my mother raised me to be. I consider asking the kinetic cutup bowl if they have ever run into jet car, who i heard who had retired and there they lived. And i would have to explain why i like the new England Television and radio, and i didnt want to be that personal. They attended a boston pops concert and they chatted about the conductor. I enjoy being entertained as well. I thought this was my weight into the conversation, anything to say, i said that i went to the berkshire theatre festival last night. Well, did you see peter can . I said no, and assassin. What is that . And to make up for that, i speak too fast it regards potential president ial candidates in what would happen if they were assassinated and the old man said oh, how was it. I said nixon was hilarious. I found myself smitten with John Wilkes Booth every time he looked in my direction i can feel myself blush. Talking about going to the museum of television and radio is too personal. But i seem to have no problem revealing my crush on the man who murdered lincoln. A person with sharper social skills than myself might have noticed the muffins in the teapot collection. They probably didnt want to think about president ial gunshot wounds. But when i am around strangers, i turn into a conversational mount saint helens. I am dormant, quiet, dormant and quiet, people build log cabins on the slopes of my silence, and then boom, its 1980. Once i arrived, they will be wiping my ashes off their windshields as far away as north dakota. But to me it was amazing how romantic assassins the play was. There is a tender moment. Remember he killed mckinley be a 191 . Allah was is that he heard her speak a couple of times. This plate dramatizes the moments that they meet. The guy was wonderful, he had a smoldering and Eastern European accident rate he sounded a lot like dracula, but in a good way, if you know what i mean. [laughter] he said that i am goldman and i am in love with you. She said she didnt have time to be in love with him. It was cute, but my one misgiving. I thought the woman was to ladylike, too much of a wallflower. Emma goldman, loud, rational, gung ho, inspired a guy to kill a president. Maybe i am persuaded by the way the marines stapleton played goldman. Our member stapleton, i remember him playing the character. He laughed too loud and smashed pottery and wears a blood red vest to symbolize that she is alive. Wait, i lost my train of thought, where was i . [laughter] i believe dracula was in love with stapleton. Oh, right, John Hinckley seeing it in best interest, he sings a duet with jodie foster. I really believed him. He says baby, id die for you its adorable. Mr. Connecticut looked at his watch and i realized that i have spent way too much and that means that i might miss my bus at home, and i really want to go home. I yell it was nice to see you and nearly knocked down a teapot collection before i leave. But of course before i leave, i must settle up my bill. Thank you. [applause] this book, assassination vacation, it is about the assassinations of lincoln and garfield and mckinley. So i traveled around to Historic Sites and looked at monuments and read plaques and sit with the statues and talk to tour guides and those kinds of things and park rangers and there is a lot of on type of topic type of conversations. This is a part from the garfield chapter. This is one thing that i found interesting. One winter night in my kitchen as i poured peppermint tea into my friends cut, she said that she liked my teapot and i told her that my happy, yellow teapot had a creepy back story involving a 19th century vegetarian cook in upstate new york whose members lived as selfproclaimed bible communists before incorporating the biggest supplier of dinnerware to the American Food service industry, not to mention harboring residents, and maniac two years after he moved away with paying for assassinating president garfield. It goes without saying that in order for me to find his teapot, the Second Coming of jesus christ had to have taken place in the year 70 a. D. To the Oneida Community, 70 a. D. , the year of the temple in jerusalem, when it was destroyed, it marks the beginning of the new jerusalem, which means that we have all been living in heaven on earth for nearly 2000 years. Everyone knows that there is no marriage in heaven, so one suspects there is no shortage of it in hell. [laughter] so ill night i said we are here and perfect in the eyes of god, lets move up to fate state and sleep around. I am paraphrasing. [laughter] John Humphrey was the founder of the utopian community and he wrote in 1837 that in the Holy Community there is no one reason why sexual intercourse should be restricted by law then my eating and drinking should be in there is a brutal occasion in one case as in the other. Any victorian would know that fondling one neighbors wife is not normal. Many cohorts moved to oneida to pursue what they called Group Marriage, eventually building a threestory brick Mansion House that remains today is a combination museum, apartment building, and hotel. I spent a night there. The next morning, a retired oneida person who taught American History for 36 years gives me a guided tour. As he points to a yellowing photograph of John Humphrey hanging on the wall, he resembled a bearded old fashion everyman. Your greatgrandfather or mine. It seems unthinkable that the head poking out of that starched collar would come up with a dogma about. [laughter] even though it is small, clean, and it is more goofy than all the bedrooms on mtv cribs combined. There is a cabinet in which members of the community dried herbs. The Oneida Community was in upstate tourist attraction right from the start. Second to niagara falls, he tells me. Im taking the same guided tour offered 150 years ago to prim people who came here to keep at sex people. I am wondering how many of my bouquet unshed vacationing forebears came home disappointed. They thought they were taking a train to sodom and gomorrah but instead got to watch herbs dry. He opens the herb cabinet so i can get away. Back in the day when one tourist was shown the cabinets, she would be asked or Community Member died, what is the older . To which the guide replied that perhaps it is the older of crushed selfishness. And he grinned, how about that for a utopian answer. Crushed selfishness smells a lot like toronto. So the portrait hangs at the top of the stairs. He was married, and abolitionists they were. He sent her a proposal letter that made up in candor what it lacked in wooing. Referring to. Not as his sweetheart but as his yoke fellow, as if they were to be oxen strapped together hauling hay, he informed her that his intentions will be not to monopolize and enslave her heart or my own, but to enlarge and establish both in the fellowship of god universal family. In other words, harriet, do not wait up. He married harriet in their native vermont before leading his flock to oneida. While its not one of historys great love letters, i have received more sentimental love letters from my attorney. Their marriage had a profound influence on the future of Sexual Practices at oneida. Specifically what came to be called, [inaudible] here he gave birth five times in six years, but only one tablet. This is what dreck in my studies and kept me studying, he recalled. After the last disappointment i pledged pledge my word to my wife that i would never again expose her to such frivolous suffering. At first he simply vowed not to touch her. Then it occurred to him that genitalia have two functions. The reproductive, which led to the aforementioned catastrophe and the social. [laughter] he concluded that one function has little to do with the other and that he could eliminate the possibility of eggs being fertilized by not ejaculating. He said that his wifes enjoyment was satisfactory as it had never been before, we had escaped the horrors and the fears of involuntary propagation. He broke down this into three parts per at the beginning marked by the simple presence of the male organ in the female, the metal, involving a series of reciprocal motions, and of course, the end, and ejaculatory crisis which expelled the feed. Naturally, akin to canoeing. [laughter] it was described as a day trip to the nearby niagara river. The skilled boatman will learn easy rolling. If not, its over the falls and splat. [laughter] at the Oneida Community, not ejaculating wasnt just a hobby but a whole way of life. The Oneida Community in an important sense owed its existence to the discovery of male continents. And the community was about sharing, sharing love, food, toys, money, time. The only thing the men were supposed to keep to themselves or their sperm. When i asked why was also frowned upon, he replied that that takes you away from the group. [laughter] one of the cornerstones was a taboo against special love and a system of defenses to guard against all kinds of intense passion. Consider the following set of problems in the way in which they were solved. Young people were always getting crushes. And young people only want to sleep with one another and older people would like to enjoy sex, but they are not as attractive as young people. Oneidas men are supposed to practice male continents, but it takes practice and until teenage boys one had to control themselves from their female partners are in danger of impregnation. So heres what they did. Postmenopausal women deflowered young boys. That way conception is avoided and older women enjoy the pleasures of the flesh. Young girls prone to falling in love were ushered into womanhood by an older male. Usually by an experienced boater and if that proposal two. Is any indication, noise had a knack for mushy sentiment by making a girl feel like part of a team. [laughter] the admonition men not only a piano falling in love, but all overthetop passions. Danger of becoming a virtuoso and attached to his instrument, handed it over to oneida authorities and never played again. When a visiting canadian teacher complained that the community did not foster genius or special talent, he was delighted, saying that we never expected or desired to produce a michelangelo or napoleon. We know that even a canadian is alarmed by the lack of individuality, theres a problem. The tour guide ushered me into the grand room. The family hall, a recreated opera house. The group assembled here for family meeting in which they had discussions of business issues. People are sitting in rocking chairs or knitting or both. The four enjoying the secondrate entertainment, they went through the cleansing ritual, mutual criticism. It required a member of the group to stand up in front of everyone and listen to the enumeration of his or her self. It was the rare treat of being the center of attention at oneida. The downside was that everyone knew and loved was allowed even encouraged to listen to your accounts and say, you know what your problem is . [laughter] one thing that stands out is how specific the criticisms were. The only member who was disciplined was the one who had a too frequent mention of vermont. [laughter] then there was conjecture about how the process went for future assassin trials. [inaudible] well, from 1860 until 1865 he was here, then he left and came back. And from what i read, he was pretty annoying. Not happy, yet he stayed here for five years. Considering that the Group Marriage policy theoretically promised constant sexual tryst, unfortunately for him, those tryst had to be consensual. But no one wanted to sleep with him as it is hinted at in his oneida nickname, charles get out. [laughter] here is a distraction. When researching the Oneida Community, i couldnt help but notice that in their letters, Community Members referred to the Oneida Community as the oc. [laughter] coincidentally, the oc is the name of a soap opera on televisions fox network that i am currently obsessed with. Set in Orange County california. Peter gallagher, and peter gallaghers legendary pair of eyebrows are the three main characters. [laughter] a couple of of rocking chairs and a table piled high with every book you ever loved. When i see the Oneida Community being referred to as the oc, i cannot help but picture all the ladies of oneida standing in line to curl up in peter gallaghers eyebrows trying in vain not to feel a special love. On the subject of his eyebrows, i realize that it is a digression away from the Oneida Community. Yet, i do feel compelled and theoretically bound to mention that one of the reasons the Oneida Community broke up and turned itself into a corporate teapot factory is that affection was in the group led by a lawyer named James William towner come he was miffed that the most esteemed elders were bogart in the teenage versions and they left for a house in none other than Orange County, california. A courthouse where it is reasonable to assume that peter gallaghers attorneys might offend his clients. [laughter] joe told me that when he first volunteered as a guide, he spent a lot of time thinking about the men and women who came here to lead such eccentric lives. What was it like when these people were born in that generation of americans, he wondered . At that point i came across this. Do you know this book, in the hands of an angry god . It is described as day going over the mouth of hell. The nation does not slumber. The pit is prepared, the flames raging glow. It wasnt so cute in the yesteryear. [inaudible] thinking about that sermon and the notion that human beings are arachnids that god is about to flip into a fire helps him understand that the ways of the Oneida Community in which heaven is already here is like this incredible shot of oxygen. Because we are not so evil. That is behind us. God doesnt have to be angry. Its interesting because i have this recurring nightmare in which i asked to move back in with my old college roommate. That is what i was expecting to find at oneida. The 19th century equivalent of sharing a house with a friend who brought the thought that the local car dealership was nursing the earth grid i have that kosovo victory mcgann, but i had to move back in with a girl who claimed to enjoy baking, always promising that i would be muffin day. It was about and it maybe once. I wouldve given anything instead of being doomed to a choice between mother superior and husband your parents picked out great how reassuring it mustve been to have this place. I went to oneida and talked to joe and bought my teapot at macys herald square, i might have thought about fornicating utopians, but now when i watch the steam rise from the yellow spell, i like to pretend i am seeing people breathe. [applause] thank you. Thank you. [applause] thanks. [applause] if you have any questions, raise your hand and i will be glad to give it a whirl trying to answer it. Your obvious love with American History, it seems uncommon especially among young people. Im wondering if you have any ideas about what might be more inspiring to take the kind of interest that you do in American History. Well, okay. I am not as young as i used to be. But i think that i was taught American History in a way that everyone was. A series of upstanding guys who made inevitable decisions on the state and not. Of course, this is what happened. Because of course, that was what is going to happen. As an adult, i stumbled into this just a few years ago. I made a documentary about driving through the trail of tears. My ancestors were cherokee and the government forced them to march across the country at gunpoint. You know, i wanted to see where they locked. I came across the story and i really loved it and i researched it and it was not inevitable. They were all of these decisions made by actual people. Not all of them were good, either. Not many of them. Pretty much none of them, come to think of it. There were a lot of squabbles, struggles, heartbreak and it is just a very dramatic and horrible story, but not boring. It wasnt as 4000 indians who died, it was 4000 people. Women and children and babies and old folks. I dont really think when i was a kid history is painted as a series of actions painted by breathing individuals. We talked about the declaration of independence and we talked about the life and liberty and pursuit of happiness and i am all for it. I think because we were supposed to be indoctrinated, you know, i believe in those things in life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But its not like this didnt happen, it gives us a pecos and conflict that he could write the most beautiful words in the history of the world written about liberty and that he could enslave people, and its like so interesting. It is so much more powerful. So i think that honesty, in terms of history, i think about it in an honest fashion. I was taught that americans never lost one. Im starting kindergarten pretty much as the helicopters were looking out of saigon. There is something about American History where we are so invested in the idea that everything that we do is good and that america is inherently good. I would say america is mostly good. They messed it up a couple of times as well. You can talk about the ideals of the country and trying to live up to them. You dont have to like, you know, brush the other stuff under the rug, i think. I love the oc, it was gritty and fascinating and cool, a lot of intriguing drama, greed and murder and lost, just violence i dont know if that answers your question or not. But thank you. [applause] just . [inaudible question] this is a special occasion . Yet. Thats wonderful. I would just like to ask if you are a member and if not, i would like to invite you to join in membership. I would love to join. It is an excellent resource if you are looking to find a grave. [laughter] for example with lincoln, they are very precise usually. With lincoln, they usually have the skull fragments that are on display at the National Museum of health and medicine. And i think that many had overlooked that. Okay, i will put my money where my mouth is. [laughter] a little treat. [laughter] [applause] thank you. The hotel, was that sir Francis Drake . That attempted for an assassination took place. Is there anything else that im missing . [inaudible] oh, city hall. Okay. I got a call on a callin show, saying that someone thought mckinley was killed and maybe they wanted him dead or something. But no, it was buffalo. [inaudible question] oh, harding. Its hard to keep them straight. [inaudible question] [inaudible question] well, i thought of those three early on in the process. I started because i was working chronologically, actually. I discovered that Abraham Lincolns son, robert todd lincoln, he was in the train station with James Carville because he was the secretary of war and he arrived in buffalo is mckinley was getting shot and i knew i wanted to write about the Lincoln Memorial as well. And he lived all the way to attend the dedication of the monument. So i narrowed it down to those president s and realized that he didnt have much to say about kennedy. And also because hes a recently deceased, there are a few more tax issues, the brothers are still alive, there is such a drama to so many people who are still alive. There is automatic censorship built and if you have any type of pass. I dont like to cry. You know. [laughter] i really think this is just the kind of writer that i am. I had seen him. The same guys show up, like wakens young secretary becomes the killings secretary back in 1865 to 1969, i didnt really know that much about it. I like digging into those areas that are more mysterious. Sometimes there are really exciting music events, and my writing would have to keep up with that. But with certain subjects, because that people are so automatically just think that they are going in for it, it is just so much more fun to try to find what is entertaining about garfield. It was actually kind of a challenge. And there were always questions about being a partisan person. And then it republicans and democrats, that we all know and love. There is a side effect that you can see watching him turn into himself. Especially with mckinley. He is the last Civil War Veteran president. He had this the call rose of the administration and he thought that appealing to white male landowners, he thought this was the way to go. Most of them were Confederate Army veterans. He and mckinley had this civil war speech. He just decided its not about what it was about anymore. He decided it was about american bravery. You know, it is just about american valor. We were brave together. It is genius because white male southerners are part of the core constituency of the Republican Party and the north north and south are united for the first time. So i get excited about all of that still. That is the reason that i did what i did. [inaudible question] if you have eyebrow tweezers, leave them at home. Otherwise, no. Not at all. Im not on anyones radar. [inaudible question] just . [inaudible question] [inaudible question] the question is when you know and how do you decide. Its not a science, i dont know how to answer your question. Because i know that mossadegh has a sense of humor. Muffin day would actually think that was funny. [laughter] i dont know, its a gut thing. Have ever had anyone mad at me . Well, only once i was writing about the chelsea hotel, and i wrote about the chelsea hotel, which is not as hygienic as i would have liked. The lovely people who run it, and they were lovely, they seemed kind of absent about my honesty there. But that is really the only thing i can think of offhand. People dont really care. No one i know actually reads what i write. Thank heavens for you strangers. [laughter] [inaudible question] was the title of my book School House Rock . [inaudible question] no, it wasnt. Okay. President ial murder and tourism, therere only so many words that, you know [laughter] those two seemed to be the most important and noticeable that i could think of. Yes . [inaudible question] is my interest confined to u. S. American president s . No, i am very interested in the history of mexico city. But who isnt . [laughter] what is your writing process . The question is about the writing process and do i prepare and revise. Well, the really hard part for me is the structure and organization and figuring out what goes where and i usually do that with index cards on my living room rug. I have all the ideas that i want to talk about, all the stories that i want to tell, sometimes i sit there for weeks moving the cards around, trying to figure it out. In the first draft is spiritually excruciating for me. The part i really love is the rewriting. I really love that. It is all about making it better, you know. I love making it better. Have you sent a copy of your bedandbreakfast . No, i have not. I am really bad at and come actually. [laughter] [inaudible question] maybe it has to do with him being assassinated and people are a little sentimental about that. That could be. I dont know. [laughter] yes . [inaudible question] oh, the question is if i am a big phony. [laughter] after three hours of sleep, i said that i enjoyed it. I thought that i was very friendly and i did enjoy it. I actually enjoyed talking to him. I actually was not lying about that. [laughter] okay, i wouldve preferred to give a little bit more shut eye, but he was a good host. He seemed interested in what i have to say. [inaudible question] yes, okay. Oxide. I listen to a public radio documentary and heard a superhero. [laughter] that is the kind of thing that brad bird is. I would work with him again in a second. That was more about my interests. I thought that they had a great studio. Pixar had a great studio. It was more about working with them. I do have this policy and i learned it from the music teacher that a habit that if you want to be good at something, never turned down an opportunity to watch people who are good at something do what they do. No matter what it is, there is something inspirational about excellence, per se. That was why wanted what i wanted to watch them do what they do. So i dont know but if that was my one little shot at being an actor, it might as well have been with a dominant juggernaut. [laughter] just . I was born in oklahoma in muskogee and i lived there until i was 11 years old and in my family moved to montana through college. I went back, ive only been back a few times in the last 25 years. Maybe it four times total. Not that that says anything about the appeal that they hold in my heart. I just havent gotten around to it. When was the last time that you were in eastern oklahoma . Last summer . Summer in oklahoma is a glorious time come, as i recall. How are we doing . Okay. 91 more questions . [inaudible question] yes, okay. [inaudible question] do i get recognized because my voice . Yes, that does happen from time to time. Those public radio listeners are devoted. That says more about them than it does about them than my voice come actually. Thank you all so much for coming. What a turnout that we have had. [applause] thank you. I really enjoyed it. I will be right here signing my name on things. Coming up for new releases, Jeb Bush Clint Bolick outline their plan for Immigration Reform in immigration wars. Forging an american solution. In out of order, stories and history of the supreme court, Justice Sandra day oconnor presents a history of the high court and profiles several former justices. And former president george h. W. Bush presents an updated edition of his correspondences in all the best, george bush. My life in letters and other writings. And in the secretary, a journey from beirut, state Department Correspondent for the bbc presents a firsthand account of Hillary Clinton and her tenure as secretary of state. And the first woman president of everybody matters, Mary Robinson talks about politics and foreign policy. Look for the titles and watch for the authors in the near future on booktv and booktv. Org. This book is about liberals, not democrats who are often not that much different from republicans in many respects. This book is dedicated to that peculiar brand of american who self identifies as a liberal, lives life as a liberal and wishes more of us in america would live like liberals. You like michael moore. Think of the masters degree and wearing a headband at your local whole foods store. You get the picture. [laughter] they dominate professions and leave a very large cultural imprint upon this great country of ours. Professions like journalism and the arts. The music industry, and of course, americas Fastest Growing band of entertainers, Cirque Du Soleil acrobats. Who are these people who call themselves liberals . And how does such a small tiny group leave such a big impact on our culture and lives. What motivates them . Im in a position to answer these questions because i have been watching liberals closely for over 30 years. I have studied them like jane goodall studies chimps. [laughter] in their natural habitats. Without judgment. In silence, mostly, because we barely speak the same language. I have been tireless in my research. I broke bread with liberals, i teased them, i prodded them, and yes, i even love some of them because some of my best friends are liberals and some are members of my own family. My commitment to understanding them sometimes worried my dear conservative friends. Some questioned my mental health. But i read the new yorker magazine and i went to see the regina monologues. And i listened to npr whenever i got the chance. I learned everything that one could just by tuning into all Things Considered aired i even watched my carbon footprint. As much as someone in dallas can watch their carbon footprint. What did i learn from my three decades of tireless research . That liberals dont like many things about this world. They are trying to correct and adjust every aspect of other peoples daily lives. I learned that they spent a lot of time thinking about americas fault and how to correct them, about americas ills and how to cure them. Liberals love to hate things that most americans love and they spend the rest of their lives trying to take those things away from us and they are convinced that they do it all because they love us. Thus was born this book, 50 things that the liberals love to hate. I hope you will enjoy a. You can watch this and other programs online at booktv. Org. Washington decoded. We are with max holland, author of the book leak why mark felt became deep throat. Why was that . He wanted to destroy the intern director after hoover. It had nothing to do with principle and nothing to do with protecting the fbi from nixon. He was the ticket to becoming director. So he made nixon think felt should be the director. So the idea that he was a whistleblower, a link to destroy Richard Nixon is completely untrue. So felt was a company i . The bureau was his life. Being the director was a onceinalifetime opportunity and he did everything in his power, engaging in dirty tricks, fbi tactics to get to the directorship. I dont think woodward really understood what was going on. You feel that he was misrepresented . Absolutely. And the reporting of the fall of 1972, it is what i call a book about the reporting. It is a fairytale. I think that woodward is not abuse and he has to know better. But he is sort of riding a tiger and he created us. He cant get off now. What are your sources to demystified as . Fbi investigated this leaking at the time. And they are very revealing. People who were in the fbi with mark phelps, it isnt on truth that the details were leaked to press it forward. There was nothing in the Washington Post that the fbi didnt know. Sometimes days or weeks or months before the piece in the post. How premeditated you believe that felt was in regards to leaking . Completely premeditated. One of the things i discovered is sandy smith, he leaked more to her than to woodward. Kaj didnt know that he could trust. Woodward betrayed the big part of his existence. It ended in 1973 and felt was very upset. That is one of the things that he was honest about, how upset he was with all the president s men. He stopped talking to him. In regards to today, we look at the current administration. Absolutely british as the competent relationship between sources and washington reporters and, you know, the true blue individual. The truth is why people leaked to the media is much more complicated and compromising for both sides. I think that a week for reasons that would not be principled were looked upon well by his colleagues and the way that woodward is per trade, it is a fairytale of the media is making. Max holland is the author of leak why mark felt became deep throat. Thank you. Thank you. I was fascinated by her feminist views. You know, im paraphrasing, but she was born to help them. You cannot rule it out including what women want and what women have to contribute. And i mean this is the 1700s. Abigail adams this monday