From when Ronald Reagan increase that, and the increased from about 4 to 6 of Gross Domestic Product let me take a risk as an attorney and ask you a more problematic scenario. Looking back in retrospect on iraq what if bush had not invaded, not gone into nationbuilding but done Something Like this, that there are some very bad guys in the world that have done this to us and we dont know exactly who they are but we do know they have come out of the middle east and motivated by islamic radicalism, so we will go grab are really bad guy, Saddam Hussein to man beat his head repeatedly into the ground after which we will then leave. If we had done that, not making this decadelong investment in iraq but essentially sent the message that there is a new sheriff in town and we will put up with this kind of nonsense, would that be a better way to go that what we did . Which it could have been. It probably would have if you look at it. The pottery barn analogy. When you break if you buy it. Stupid analogy. No because what what had happened at that point, we would have depose Saddam Hussein, the war that is breaking out now because we have abandoned our relationship with iraq would have broken out in 2004 and the United States and the entire the United States would have been planned by not only the muslim world but by the chinese and europe for destroying that regime and leading to what would have been a regional conflagration that were seeing today. Answer more succinctly the question that cave Grover Norquist so much trouble. On the balance of force for good or bad of the world. Absolutely, yes. Thank you. [applause] your witness. In his opening remarks he said he thought the vietnam war should not have been fought, do you agree . I would probably on balance on do that. I would have done what president eisenhower did which was not intervene. It sounds as if you are in favor of a more restrained Foreign Policy than the one we actually have today. Yes. Tell me, what was in your experience the mission in iraq . The mission was to depose Saddam Hussein and then provide the opportunity to rollback the forces of civil war that were seeing come forth and provide the opportunity for iraq to be able to be safe and govern itself. It is important to note that most of the press does not cover this because theyre covering Britney Spears or Something Else more important. She was playing tonight right here. Iraq freed 30 Million People that have voted four times in free and fair elections. They have elected a not terribly good Prime Minister which is having difficulties he was the second place candid, but those are people that had never boat never voted before that have started their way toward democracy which we should have continued to support in 2011. You would say that the mission was accomplished. No. I would say that the mission move forward toward accomplishment and should have been continued in 2011. To the moving forward of the mission toward accomplishment, added that make the people in this audience more prosperous or free . How is the American National interest in those welcome another violent dictator in the same area decided to abort his pursuit of weapons of mass destruction which was immediately after the deposing of Saddam Hussein and was an indication of the kind of influence that the United States has in the world, respect for the United States, the coalition we put together. Fortynine nations continue to fight alongside us in afghanistan. That kind of global lead makes a Significant Impact on the United States trade cannot foreignpolicy, and diplomatic policy in the world. Enhanced the liberty of anyone in this audience . Just look at the advent of global trade and the Global Economic opportunities that i am sure the following witness that follows me will be able to expand on in great length. You dont think we would have had a global trade if we had not had the iraq war . I think we would not have had a substantial amount of influence that we have throughout the world. You dont think we have substantial influence on the world before the iraqi war . I think we did. Again, like vietnam the 20 20 hindsight would have been we did not have weapons of mass destruction there as people thought we did. And probably would not have intervened. Unfortunately foreignpolicy leaders did not have that ability to undo decisions that can make. Are you are aware of the libertarians, conservatives, and others who critique the war before it began . You sang no one had foresight . There were a lot of people who have foresight, including those in the military who debated this significantly. My boss in fact testified to congress. He did a good job. [laughter] thank you. Okay. Thank you very much, general. You may step down. [applause] would you like to call one more witness to the stand . I called mr. Steve forbes. Yes. [applause] i have here a copy of a soontobe bestselling book money how the destruction of the dollar threatens the Global Economy and what we can do about it. Would you please place your right hand on it. That on the balance thats a very good thing. What the world needs, we have had an explosion of capitalism arms by the crisis of 2008 and thousand nine but theres no question since the early 1980s until the financial crisis, we in the world went through in the most extraordinary periods in Human History. Never before had so many people, so many parts of the world advance so quickly in economy. The world that america helped shake me shape made that possible and it wasnt until the 1990s that we achieved terms of flows of capital, terms of trade as a portion of the Global Economy that we have before world war i. Only in the 90s did we proportionately get back to what we have before 1914. Im going to zoom in to the specific case of india because prior to the liberalization and the capitalist opening in india it seems that india may be looked to gain mainly at the loss of pakistan or china. There was an ongoing military rivalry between india and pakistan in both countries were looking to gain essentially by taking from the other. Would you agree that the United States is playing an Important Role in preventing a conflict from taking place and enabling the capitalist revolution to seek india . United states didnt prevent sadly three wars between india and pakistan. I think what kind of botched what happened in 1970 and 71. I understand the old pakistan broke up but the United States is winning the cold war. I think its possible for india to get over the soviet union and that is a counter to what china focused internally internally a bold and he had to go from from a stagnant nation you know its a democracy to becoming a hightech power in the world. There seemed to be in the world. One is taking it from someone else in the others Wealth Creation. We have one minute left with this witness. Very well. You think the chinese and russians other large powers in the world even though they benefited from the ethic of Wealth Creation have given up the epic of conquest . Sadly in the case of russia it does not appear to be the case. Their economy could start to show promise in early 2000 as john mccain pointed out the gas station based solely on oil revenues and they do think grabbing territory is the way to make themselves a great power. This was by the way the grave mistake germany made in 1914 which was then as it is today the dominant power in europe when it was fearful about france having military and fearful of russia having military and they thought the least the militarist thought from prussia that war would solve their problems. Whereas we know germany just let things flow with would have been the dominant powers of europe that did not lead to rifle the navy and did not need to add 50 to its army. Their power would have come from the power of its economy. Unfortunately elements in china and certainly elements in russia still have the old feeling of to get rich enough to conquer. The last question steve on the balance has america been a force for good or for bad in the world . Theres no question about it. Its a powerful force for good. [applause] thank you very much. Your witness mr. Mccarthy. Mr. Forbes mr. Dsouza said in retrospect he thinks the iraq war and the vietnam war are dubious exercises. Do you agree with him on that . You that . Agonized look back and point out the mistakes made in the past. The vietnam war for example the first war that we lost. Another way to look at vietnam is there was a terrible loss in the cold war. There was a huge battle lost. These were lost battles in world war ii but we won the cold war. Given Human History the sad fact is yes in retrospect we can say we shouldnt have done this and we should not duh but when you are fighting these things you will make mistakes. The key thing is are you trying to win the big one do it right in the cold war has supposedly not receive democracies dont have the sticktoitiveness that the dictatorships have. We have that sticktoitiveness even though we had rough times in the 70s especially in the aftermath of vietnam and we won the cold war. Ronald reagan had the vision to see, we didnt have to have stalemate we could have victory and we got the victory. [applause] mr. Forbes i would be interested to hear the fine distinction between Ronald Reagans Foreign Policy in the Foreign PolicyLyndon Johnson or george w. Bush or interventionist militaristic president s . While in terms of the effect of foreignpolicy Ronald Reagan because he was seen as strong putting missiles in germany which did not prevent the soviets from intimidating but we then called west germany and western europe. He sent troops into granada. The first time a communist regime was actually overthrown from the outside and even though it was a small operation that sent the signal to the world that the u. S. Was becoming a major player again. It had run down the military in the 70s but by the time the first iraqi war came along it was completely transformed and in terms of Lyndon Johnson if you look at vietnam, books have been written about this. If that had been treated as an insurgency with a handful of people instead of trying to recreate a world war ii battlefield in vietnam, there would have been a very different result. Even so by 1972, the north vietnamese undertook a major offensive, south vietnam, the south Vietnamese Army beat them. We threw that away and we should have been there in the first place but having achieved what we set out to achieve we threw it away. You have approximately one minute. Up the question. We did see a counterinsurgency strategy in iraq but hasnt that fail to reduce produce the results we would have liked it seemed . The counterinsurgency when we got our act together in 2006 in and 2007 at iraq that socalled surge was when i sent 20,000 more men and we fought the war it should have been fought. Having been there thats counterinsurgency war worked. We beat the guerrillas which went against everyones expectations with the u. S. Army did there. Working with locals and learning to fight at night. It worked and thats why the sudanese militias came on our side because they realized we now know what we are doing that again like vietnam we threw it away. Thank you very much. Mr. Forbes you can step down. Thank you gentlemen both. [applause] lets hear it for all of our witnesses. [applause] great job, and now heres what we are going to do. Ladies and gentlemen of the journey you have heard the Expert Witness testimony and the statements from the prosecution and the defense at the beginning of the trial. Its now up to you to decide the guilt or innocence of mr. Dinesh dsouza and the supporters of american Foreign Policy. Its her job to determine whether preponderance of evidence supports the prosecution, that is on balance american Foreign Policy has failed to achieve its goal of creating stable democracies around the world and it has resulted in two failed wars in unpopular america abroad and a loss of more liberties. We will tally the votes and announce the verdict decision by the jury by majority vote. It does not require a unanimous decision. Is that clear . Are there any questions jurors . Witness we are totally running out of time. You can find yourself some sort of decision and the marshal will lead you. [inaudible conversations] how are you guys doing . Are you guys good . Are you having fun . Thats great. Dinesh they have stolen your pen and your freedom. [laughter] does anyone want to play heads up 7up . Put your heads on the desk one thumb up. We can also have a massive game of duck duck goose