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Things are sorted out and rarely does the majority gets things exactly their own way. Its where the stability can occur and most people dont think that. In the era in which everybody wants instant gratification if you are looking for instant gratification or perfection the senate would be a place for you. Host at the time that Many Americans are not optimistic what would you want those teachers tell their students about their future in this country . Guest i think because of our woeful ignorance of history, we always think the period that we are in is tougher than others. We have had nothing like the civil war. Have. We have and have a single instance where the congressman from South Carolina came over and almost beat to death the senator from massachusetts. They have money and tough challenges. World war, depression. This is a great country. We will deal with whatever our current problems are and move on to another level. I am just as optimistic as i ever was that this generation will leave behind better than our parents left for us. Host that is an optimistic message from the kid that had polio and overcame it and set his sights to be in the United States senate and became the majority leader after about 50 years of keeping his eye on the ball, national guitarist used to say you have to be careful where you aim because you are likely to get their and senator Mitch Mcconnell did. And we will defend american jobs and workers by saying no to bad trade deals like the sponsorship and unfair trade practices. Theyve lost one third of their manufacturing jobs since the clintons put china into the wto. This together will cause more jobs for our people, exports for the markets and more democracy for our allies. A discussion on how the Founding Fathers viewed freetrade. The United States wasnt a freetrade nation for most of american history. The u. S. Is in fact a trigge trr does the economy. This goes back to the very constitution. And an examination of the World Trade Organization that enforces global trade rules. Its evil smaller sister nafta and 800 more pages of specific rules and regulations. When the east were being negotiated, the u. S. Had official advisers, 500 corporate advisors. Watch the spotlight on cspan and cspan. Org. Colorado governor shares his experience in business and Public Office while talking about his book the office of the wo followe ten followed ba boxer on her memoir the art of tough. Good evening. Im the co lawyer of politics and prose along with my wife and everybody here at George Washington university, welcome. This evenings event is a joint effort by George Washington and weve been working together for sometime now putting together author events in several years ago we launched what we dubbed the newsmaker series featuring the author talks to spark the discussions about contemporary issues. I would like to thank the staff that helped make this event possible. I also want to thank all of you for supporting such talks. Like many others in the country today, we are facing a challenging marketplace. But we are actually doing quite well in large part due to the Supportive Community of avid book readers here in washington. We remain committed to bringing great book events and offers to the dc area. Its a treat this evening to have with us the colorado governor John Hickenlooper, whos lived quite an interesting life and has gone and has some Great Stories to tell about it and recount them with candor and humor in his new book, the opposite of woe my life in beer and politics. Its fair to say john didnt take the conventional path into politics and rather protracted career hes the only wesleyan student he jokes to ever have received tenure. He works for a short time in the industry and then was laid off. But his entrepreneurial spirit eventually extend and he opened colorados first brew pub in a Warehouse District in lower downtown denver. The business took off and became a leader in gentrifying of the downtown area and a popular figure in the mile high city. In 2003 without ever having run for Public Office before, he got elected the mayor of denver and went on to serve two terms and was at one point designated by Time Magazine as one of the top five. First inaugurated governor in 2011, hes now in his second term for having tackled such prominent issues such as gun control, capital punishment, samesex marriage and legalized marijuana while also managing floods and fires. Hes first professional geologist to become governor in the history of the United States and the first brewer to do so since sam adams back in 1792. His success from his appealing life story and natural charm had fueled speculation as a possible Vice President ial running mate. He is a strong hillary supporter and superdelegate. So in one way or another he will be at the Democratic Convention in philadelphia in july. Sean is going to be in the conversation here with jane harmon who after a very distinguished career representing the rest of californias 36th Congress Shall district in the house of representatives resigned from the Woodrow Wilson center so please join me in welcoming john hicken hickenlooper and jane harmon. [applause] good evening, everyone. Let me just do a praise of politics and prose. Ive lived here for many years and the neighborhood bookstore. In aspen colorad colorado therea bookstore called explore which has changed ownership a few times but it has the same flavor and i dont know what any of us would do without the opportunity to buy interesting books and an interesting environment. So, i was delighted to be asked to interrogate and torture my favorite governor. He may be a superdelegate. I actually think that he is a super governor. Thats all you get. I dont know how many of you have read this yet. I think that john could be a stunt double for huckleberry finn. But this is a comingofage novel and one for politics including all the screw ups. [laughter] but it really is not about ethics. Yes, he got there and he brings a lot to it from his real life but it wasnt written by the committee or sanitized, thats for sure. So there would be a security clearance they would disapprove than it hasnt been revoked, not yet. But it is a comingofage novel and it starts with a delirious scene of John Hickenlooper and his wife going to a kennedy honors event and first turning it down because i didnt get an invitation from the white house but then getting a second call. And then going and ending up in the east wing in the white house where youve never been. I think you said that. Never with a gigantic big gigang Christmas Trees in the whole field and because he will end up sitting in the bleachers and watching on some jumbotron and then getting swept away to be in the candid descender. And its in the box and its just the four of them. What i loved about this book i didnt tell the stories of the e tell the belt buckle story that goes with. I brought a gift with the large silver sterling belt buckle and then in the center was a donkey and on the back was etched so i got them to make another one. I tried to dodge it a few times. Its a holiday gift for the president. We will take care of that. Imagine the end of raiders of the lost ark. [laughter] but you explained why the donkey is a symbol of democrats and it relates to some of the other things, your use of humor throughout a long career. He was a populist and he turned that around. Of course i was quick to point out. Andrew jackson was not very i dont know how many tens of thousands died from his policies and that doesnt go down. Buthe symbol has endured. Think of the name hickenlooper. You didnt mention you are a relative in the amendment. Theres enough ithere is enought was. There were enough stories we just have to try to keep the narrative moving as i was instructed. He was the governor for 24 years i can pin over 2 24 years in ioa and he was the first chair of the energy agency. Back then he believed in the infrastructure and public education. How many of you know what the amendment was . If they have the company or assets owned by the American Company or individual, they havent worked out an agreement in terms of reparations of what it was worth then the u. S. Wouldnt give that country the nationalized privately owned assets they wouldnt give them any foreign aid to. We were the one country that wasnt able to help provide that relief. They legislate in blond waves. Going back to the book, part of it a major theme is the loss starting with your father when you were age eight going on in the conversation with your first marriage, your mother dies just at the beginning of your political career and i think its an important question to ask how has the loss affected you and has it made you stronger . All change involves loss and sometimes you have to mourn the loss. They had far more lost than i ever imagined she met my dad and he courted her a year and a half. The colorado democrats are having their party in philadelphia for the convention its just totally coincidental. In the bellevue hyatt, the Bellevue Stratford hotel, it is in the book, its the very place where my father proposed to my mother and she finally said yes. It is an impossible coincidence. My mom was a great believer you could control how you responded it. She had an 18yearold 8yearold she raised by herself and she said this and im not going to find how to ge out to u occupied and engaged to find whatever it is that its going to get you. So be it whatever, you have an obligation to make yourself happy but she didnt seem like by cool stuff. Its in case of bad times. What got through everything was as a parwiththe support of her d friends relationships. With your love of teddy and your son you make a big point that this book is to show him hopefully to show him what kind of father youve tried to be a. But then love now in your advanced life with the woman you just married thats at the end of the book she gets the dedication with all of my love them is the description which again is in the bible passage that you read them and another thing when you for when your father proposed to your mother there were boxes on the table i cant believe you remember all that. They went to different Jewelry Stores and he would give them 20 bucks and propose and she said yes you bring her back to the Jewelry Store and pick out the right ring so my dad went to all of these at the Stratford Hotel on the 19th floor he said pick one and he threw out the rings across the table. I assume your father must have been 6 feet tall. My mothers father was 5 feet eight. How tall was the mailman the tease her. [laughter] rumors spread fast in this town. Watch out. [laughter] when you introduced the story of the change youve ultimately fell in love with geology and you got hired and moved to denver. In the course of this there were trips to maine and then the whole brew pub business took off. But it is an improbable set of experiences to become a politician. I didnt really see, maybe i didnt read the book carefully enough, what was it. Was there an epiphany . I went as a kid to the convention in los angeles and i was literally in the air when john kennedy was nominated and i didnt come from a political family. Did you have a moment hell did he throw his hat in the ring in a crowded race for the mayor of denver . It wasnt really an epiphany. It was the old team that had gotten a compromise in several l different people that were all politically astute came up and said the mayor has term limited out. You love these nonprofit boards and committees. So i thought about it. There was a fellow named chris gates and he went so i could meet a whole bunch of mayors. But i like it. I couldnt even then you look at it and said why would anyone do that. I have never hung out with an elected official or class president or counsel them i was a kid. You said coke bottle glasses. Its in the book. Not to go after too much. And you couldnt get the girls. [laughter] i think the Tipping Point on the decision was there was a point where i was toying with the idea that there were all these different political types like a made for movie tv and the latino group in a city auditor and act heads with the mayor. He was a brilliant speaker but they all didnt seem to me to have any experience in th the smallbusiness and all my customers kept saying that every official was all in it for themselves and their own circle. It seemed to me that there ought to be more people from the business do with going to the government. Everybody told me, they said several people in the early meetings when i said not only are we not going to do negative ads we are not going to do the research. Several people got up and left the room so we didnt expect to win but there was an appetite out there for somebody that wasnt just like everybody else that made goofy ad and didnt do attack ads. There was no epiphany. When i became the general and got a double of anybody else with six candidates i got 48 and Michael Bennett was asking me questions like who are you going to pick and i said i dont dknow what does the chief of staff do come it doesnt have been in the Restaurant Business. [laughter] one of your great strategies in the campaign in the first race ever i always say my race for congress was the first elected office i ever saw after treasurer, which i lost. But anyway, a wonderful thing that got attention was the ad that wasnt in the book was the one with the shower they can read about the first two. Why dont you talk about that . There was one beginning with the suit. The shower ad is when i ran for governor. And basically a voiceover saying these attack ads make me feel theyve got to watch myself. I am blathering and without getting in and out of the shop e chevrolet continued to talk about how bad the negative attack ads are in different clothing and shirts and pajamas, you name it. The voiceover really makes the point. What did the voiceover say . One of the things i talk about all the time that i thinkk its in the book is even the fierce rivals really cant stand each other and yet you never see them do attack ads against each other because you know they wo work. Cooke was attacked pepsi, their sales would go down. Counter attack and you depressed the entire category of soft drinks. What we are giving them doing ay whether we like it or not, there is a product category of the american democracy. And wed driv we drive people a. They tune out and dont Pay Attention to the details of policy. Couldnt agree more. I just couldnt agree more. If youve been to denver lately and i was there recently, it is a very different from other midwestern cities it is an art mecca. Why dont you told the story of how that happened . There was the demographer that somehow got involved in looking at over 50 years where did they make investments and how, what was i once was in come most successful cities and what did they have in common as there were several things that were amazingly shocking but in essence it all came back to the new economy being driven by the guys and girls who were kind of on the fringe of socially they were the ones that didnt fit in with everyone else and they were creating software and structuring transactions. They were driving the new economy and wanted to the width of the others. They wanted to be in the communities where everyone was accepted in terms of ethnicity at higher percentages. They all map city after city. A much greater investor. They were using it 30 times a year and we start pushing that lifetime political appointment who ran it and said they would diminish the experience. We dont know that until we try it. So all of a sudden we did 60 and now read 130 the year and for the increase in the commercial taxes a lot of people have music venues. So we ended up having more than there are in nashville and austin. One is based in denver. Nonprofits and help with community schools. Thats how its the number one or number two state for start ups. We used to be an oil and gas economy. Now the commodities are on their back and the unemployment is 3 and still going down. We have all of these very diverse economies but a lot of it is fueled by these young people who for the last seven years in terms of the destination for colonials millennialist. When you tell your aids but you are stopping in maryland to visit with cliffords widow and they are totally perplexed, why did you have the idea to do that, and what happened . I went to the other Board Members of these nonprofits and instead you are my only constituency and luckily they did. I knew him quite well and he do about his papers of inheritance. For those of you that dont know, he was one of the two or three greatest. They decided the art world was commercial and a copout. Its mostly on their own the last 25 years of his life so they left everything to an American City that wanted to build a museum. They showed me how important it was and ive never heard of them. No one has ever heard of this guy. You go to the museum of modern art, whats the big one, the whole of art has a contemporary one or two almost all jackson pollock. But to get to that you go through the clifford room that has a giant paintings and it. Low risk. Wire not going to spend any money. Im just going to talk to this woman, and if wen come vince her that denver is that place, which no one has been able to do, ill turn it over to one of our successful plants and raise some money. He goes, whatever. So i go meet with this woman and i go up grew up in large family with a lot of great aunts and great uncles. Im very good with people that are 25 or 30 years older than i am. I love being around them. I love listening to them and the stories they tell. And his wife and i hit it off in a second. Several people came with me from denver, and she left the whole collection to us, and the soninlaw, chris hunt, raised the money to build the museum and paintings worth 110 million. He was a pretty good artist. The museum is gorgeous. Have you seep it . Its right next to the modern art museum, and the complex is stunning, and is so some of the other architecture in denver. Doesnt look like a midwestern city but the good news its a midwestern city. A western stay. Exactly. All the values and host i come from the west. Guest friendly. Exactly. Host so, i just have a couple more questions to get ready. Theres a mic right there. First is about a really poignant story you tell, as governor in the book, and that is the aurora killings. By this man, age 25, in full combat gear, who manages to wound or kill 70 people, who thought when he walked into a movie showing at midnight he might be a character actor, and its a horror and that leads to a push for what i would call responsible Gun Legislation in the west, in colorado, which is just closing the gun show loophole and limit on the amount of ammunition and that legislation has passed, and you signed the legislation, and then a big effort is made to impeach the people who drafted the bill and is successful. Then you run for reelection, and you get the full force of the gun lobby, and you win. How did you do that . Guest its funny. That whole period my first term, between the shootings in aurora, the worst drought since the depression, the world wildfire, the worst flood in 2013, the shootings. I went to 62 or 63 funerals in the first four years. As i was going through counseling and then separating and getting a divorce from my wife, it was as hard a time ive ever had. We got to the Gun Legislation, and clearly Mental Health we attack Mental Health. Its a huge part of the problem. But its not the whole problem. I talked to Many Republican friends and the universal background check wasnt a problem. As soon as i introduced toy legislators all the elected republicans were very much against it and Campaign Financing had a role in this. I remember coming home to my son teddy, who was 11, and he was in a bad mood and i had a hard day issue was cranky and complaining, which is stupid thing to do with an 11yearold. He goes, dad. What do you do at work all day thats so hard . You make decisions that he goes, daddy, get the facts, make a decision, check, next. Daddy. Get the facts, make a decision, check. Every day i have go to school and learn something completely new i didnt know existed the day before. If i dont get it completely right the next day is misery. Of five minutes i said, teddy, youre right. Sixth grade is harder than being governor. So, the next day we had all the National Statistics statistics e been using the National Statistics. We had not gotten the facts. And in 12 we they got the facts on, did we watch anybody . Was it worth it and being inconvenienced for ten minutes, in 2012, we stopped 38 people convicted of homicide from buying a gun. There were 133 people convicted of sings out assault, 620 burglars, 1300 people convicted of felon assault, where someone goes to the hospital. The republicans elected officials said, well, crooks arent stupid. Theyre not going to get a background check. Well, it turns out crooks are stupid. They have huge monuments built to celebrate theyre stupidity called prisons. 420 people, when they came to pick up their new gun, we arrested them for outstanding warrants. So by any measure, we had to do everything we could to push it through, and there was a political cost. And i think the way i feel that we survived that reelection was by not dodging it. Using the facts again and again and telling people the truth. Right . And heres why we did it. Host but it was brutal. I remember. On election night, i was sitting here. I watch my friends elects, celebrating the fact i had the wisdom to escape, but yours was really close. Guest denver was late in reporting. I dont know what it is with the clerks in larger communities. Host they like a torture. Guest so i won by four percent but took awhile for that to come out. It was dead even at 10 00 the evening of the election day. Host thats scary. My last question. You better thing of stuff to ask him. Didnt ask about pot. Guest or else ill tell jokes. Host this book is coming out at an interesting time. Two months before the conventions, and six months before the election. Youre supporting one of the major candidates, she may have to think about a Vice President. Certainly will have to think bat a Vice President at the end of the convention, which is not denver, only in philadelphia, but youre from pennsylvania. Guest my home town, philadelphia. Host what a coincidence. So, what up . Guest so, penguin picked the release date, and i think you know, i have flat out the best job in america. Colorado is doing host mine is better. I love my job. Guest okay. So i have the second best job. Were doing in terms of work force and were going to have an apprenticeship soil that integrates with a platform, working with lynned into see not just what books they read but the skills theyll get. Were doing some great stuff. Think getting our arms around the cost curve for medicaid and for health care. So, obviously if someone comes to you and says we want you serve the nation and youre the one and heres why, it would be a fool not to think about it. But people they said last week im on the short list. Dont think its that short a list to be quite frank. I dont think im that close to the top. So, my guess is that i have two and a half years left to really go full tilt after some of the things that are define colorado as a National Model for decades. I want colorado the book in many ways is a love story to colorado. The two other things originally started to write it for teddy but its a call to action for nerds and geeks everywhere. Host the call to action is, giddyup. Guest yeah. Get out there and to if you want to be involved and try to solve the toughest problems in the society, just you can do it. Dont have to be the guy who is the class president in high school. And then the other part is its a love story about colorado. And that colorado is a place where people collaborate more and are able to get things done in a way that in many parts of the country has been lost. Host leadership does matter, and theres a at the back of the book, randomly put here in yellow, you wont miss it. It says read this book, pause and reflect on how thoughtful and intelligent he hates to hear this and charming John Hickenlooper is, then hope to god he runs for president one day. Signed, malcolm gladwell. Guest very generous. Not known for his political judgment. Insightful but not known for his political judgment. Host so, get in line here. Come on. And please identify yourself and if that mic is taller than you are, put it down so we can hear you. I lived in california for 24 years, and so im really glad to hear about your success. And i read a host who are you. Ow an in riggs. I read about the metro system expansion and id like for you to talk about this. Guest sure. This what we call fasttrack, and part of when i was going around, i melt with suburban mayors who had for decaded hated the denver is big and powerful, theres always feud going on which was crazy. Can go into details but for our to put a Transit Initiative together. 4 of a says tax increase for an area the size of connecticut. We had to get all 34 mayors unanimously to sign on to this tax increase, which we did. Twothirds of them were republicans. And to build fasttrack, we just rolled out the first train last month to the airport. Union station. We spent 320 million making at an unbelievable, amazing destination where all the different forms of transportation come together, and its one of those things that millenials really value. One of the martest had gones we did. A great number of millenials dont want to own two cars. They want to get to and from without without having to get to a car. So its something were proud of. I think were looking at the next phase, holiday to continue to make those investments that are like music, like culture, we have a thousand miles of bike trails in colorado. Give people choices of transit and choices of quality of life. Host how much was the tax increase and how many other cities have been able to pull that off. Guest i dont think anyone has done 119 miles of new track. A. 4 of a cent seams tax on the whole raises. It raises 230 million a year, is what they thats what we are using to pay down the bonds and operate the system. Host actually, los angeles did a tax increase and used it for lightrail construction. Im sure it wasnt as good as guest i dont think it was. 4 cents sales tax. Its a good invest. Without question. Host you bet. Washington is going to have to redo it entire metro. Guest whats the next question . Host yeah, next question. Im a College Student here in the washington, dc area. I found your book to be very meaningful and specifically i sincerely respect the honesty which which you write about the losses you have experience in life. Would you what do you say if there are any particularly important ways in which your Life Experiences before entering politics impacted your decisions and your experiences as mayor and now as governor, and if so, why . Guest sure. Great question. I think certainly my life in the Restaurant Business i think every official should work in a high value restaurant you. Learn service in a restaurant or running a stay or state, running a city, in both indicates you never have enough capital. You have a Diverse Group of people you have to make into a great team and the public is always pissed off about something. When youre working with a team of people and youre in the weeds. My restaurant would do on a busy friday 1,000, 1100 dinners, and when youre that busy, everyone works together. In colorado we say when youre in rough water, everybody paddles. And you build these relationships. It doesnt matter whether someone is tall or small, whether theyre got curly hear or polka dot. Everyone is part of the team. And that sense of service. Youre all working together, sometimes for long periods time, under great pressure to deliver something that people want and need, and its full of love. That sense of service, and it really does you learn what a arrest customer is unhappy, theres no margin having enemies. You dont put out the fire, he or she leaves and is angry and they trash your reputation over town for months and you dont hear about it until its too late. If you listen to people you def fuse the anger. Oh, she dropped soup on your lap and it was hot. Every time you repeat back what people are upset about you validate their concern and they calm down the way to persuade people is not to tell them what you know or what your opinion is, the way to persuade someone is to listen harder and harder, keep asking questions, and in that sense, i think were all leaders. If you can persuade one person to change their opinion, thats what a leader is. Just changing an opinion of someone, and too much were now stuck in this kind of buzz feed of leaders have to be bold and brutal and tough and you know, i think that leadership should be everyones responsibility to be a leader in their own way. Host great answer. Great question. Thank you. Next . My name is charlie, and if nobody else is going to ask about pot, then ill go ahead. Host go for it. I lived in denver in the early 90s, next to your current home at seventh and pearl. My memories of downtown, low dough, were abandoned warehouses and empty office buildings. Still go back and now i see real its again crazy. But the dispensaries, theyre full of cash because the banks cant operate with credit cards or checks. So, the entire industry is money sitting in these dispensaries all over town. People are getting paid in cash. The people who own the dispensaries have to go to the irs with buckets of green dollars. Clearly this is not sustainable. Im wondering what is going to happen. Guest if you were going to encourage i opposes the legalization because you dont want to be in conflict with federal law, hard to create a regulatory system from a standing start, but 55, 45 passed it and by hell or high water well try to make it work, and we got a real problem with cash. If you want to encourage corruption and gangsters, make it cash. Im telling you. Guest i think the theyre now, i think, four or five banks, mostly small banks, operating greater or lesser extent in the industry and they dont call attention to themselves, but they feel that they have discovered ways they dont feel threatened. Their charter will be removed. And the federal government recognizes this is states are the laboratories of democracy, and this is going to be one of the great social experiments of this part of the century, and the federal government is seeing whether we can figure this out. We see an net totally now im not an neck totally im not saying every state should do this. Im saying states should wait two years to make sure there not unintended consequences but we are seeing less drug dealers. Suddenly youll have stands to reason youll end up having less salesmen. So, i think were winning in terms of whether were not there yet but were making real progress, and the banking part is slowly coming along. Host its a huge generator of sales tax. Guest 120 million bucks out of a 27 billion budget. Its really a drop. It does help us pay for police for regulating it, making sure youre strict. We treat it just like distilleries or alcohol, and we do at love marketing and make sure teenagers dont get high. The high thc marijuana, every brain scientist feels it absolutely has a high probability for reducing longterm memory. I got marijuana in my throat. That was joke. Host so when teddy says, daddy, want to try pot . Guest trust me, we have had his discussion so many times and iveed a it with his friends. These guys are serious. Even just once a week or twice a week, over a period of years, they will lose a high probability a couple points of their iq. Thats your memory. Thats would we are when you get to be my age, thats the most fun there is. Do not tell my wife i said that. Thank you. Host thank you. I think we have three more questions. Ihi, im from california, gw student. As governor you have to be on the move, doing other things. As student feel similar pressure. How do you manage your time and manage a team that has to do the to stuff you have to do. Guest another great way. Its harder than heck and still is but i think one thing i learned in the Restaurant Business you need to surround yourself with people that have the skills you dont, and most of life i think this is despite the technology, this is increasingly this way the interrelationships and teamwork required to create modern businesses and real innovative approaches to business, they depend on your ability like im not great at detail. Never have been. I love vision. I love getting excited host that explains why i can never figure out what time this is or where you are, okay. Guest all kinds of reasons for that. I have other shortcomings we dont have to go into. Host but you do in the book. You talk about being ima patient and not always listening to senior staff. Guest and the key there is to make sure you express those things to your senior staff and apologize. I have a great sense of urgency so thats not something i need as much but that attention to detail. Someone who can keep 20 balls in the air. Theres 20 pages about my previous chief of staff, rocksan white, who she is just one of the most talented people that you could ever work with, and she keeps 30 balls in the air. Actually, whatever proceeds come my way from this book are going to a couple of charities that help working women, and low income mothers. One of them is her. She is ceo of something called nurse family partnerships, which is a remarkable organization. Anyway, you need to find people like that, and then help get them to help you schedule your time where youre getting youre delivering the most of what they need, and that youre not that your desire or your selfindulgence, can lack of discipline my wife refers to some of my activities as the ferdinand complex. Ferdinand the bull would be coming down the hill, oh, theres a flower. My wife has great focus, great discipline. As do most of my staff. So it allows me that i can they get me right back on task, and its a team that accomplishes stuff. The days of the individual if there ever were one person, i think that has been largely overstated go back and read about abraham lincoln, doris the book team of rivals. He got together his biggest rivals, incredibly talented people, and made sure their skills worked in harmony. Thats the way things work best. Host and worked for him instead of against him. We have this line got longer. Guest ill be quicker. Host why dont we ask the questions, all of them, at the same time, and let because governor hickenlooper is available to sign books, i think, and guest lets ask the questions and i al answer them all. Host lets do a lightning round. Governor, work for a trade association that represents independent beverage retailers. 400 of which are Package Liquor stores in the great state of colorado. Im struck tonight by the fact were being host evidence by politics and prose, an independent book store, locally owned small business, that managed to fight through changing times. Hear hear. Recently in colorado a bill was passed to compromise bill, sc197 that would help preserve that environment for local independent small beverage retailers in the state of colorado and i believe its on your desk, waiting on your decision to sign. Are you willing to go on the record tonight guest a little lobbying. I love it. Are you willing to say host dont answer yet. Well get two more questions. Next. Guest somebody got full value for his book purchase. Hi, john, laurie emerick, good to see you. So, ive nope you since your days at the chinook fund, and through the brew pub and not so much inner days as a your days as public official. If you dont go forward in Vice President ial route or president ial, what is next after your term finishes . Guest okay. Good question. Host governor hickenlooper, would gear going to test your memory. Im Michael Hamberger and we studied geography together. Guest you would talk about indiana. Very good. That is what makes a great politician. Host this was prearranged. I was so pleased to hear the introduction as the highest ranking geologist in the land. A wonderful production of my book. You have staked out a pretty unusual position on the very controversial issue of fracking and oil and Gas Production in your state, and you have used your experiences as a geologist to frame that discussion. So, id love to hear a few wordses about that tsunami. I can do that. I can do that. So for the Liquor License we wont go into detail supermarkets never had the right to sell liquor so walmart and kroger and everybody colorado, all your beer and wine and your liquor is sold by independent like ore stores, 1600 of them. Part of the reason why we have 320 craft breweries in colorado but a the little guys have licker stores they can talk to and convince to carry their products. Every four years or so the supermarkets get decide thats a bing market and every other state they own a big chunk of it. Why shouldnt they change that law and offer convenience and a lower cost in many ways. And not worry about the jobs, which are about i know 11,000 jobs in the small Liquor Stores. So this time they passed a bill that the supermarkets came out and said we got 25 million. Were going to tick it all or take this compromise and well fate it in, every Summer Market change will have five new Liquor Stores and then four years they get four five more, Something Like that. There will be a lot more very large liquor ostores buying at scale, and its going to be very hard on the small Liquor Stores but many, id say roughly have of the ones take to, say its the best compromise we can get. So im trying to talk to every liquor store i and can talk together brewer because its a big part of our economy, 10,000 jobs and because it drive mets nuts that big corporations are going to come out and these guys open supermarkets in our state knowing what the law was. Liquor Stores Opened the Liquor Stores, made investments, built up their life savings and were going to change a law, take away the private property and give it to some big corporation. Drives me nuts and yet many, many of the small Liquor Stores this is what they think is the best deal theyll get. I feel absolutely sure if i veto

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