What is this building is x. This is the original 1905 branch of the new york outlook library where the schomburg collection arrived in 1925 and behind that first board set up windows is where we saw the jacob lawrence. This is in many ways the historic home that is this amazing institution today. Its still a critical part of the overall facility and it is home to many treasures that we looked out. Host and the red dirt building is also part of the harlem hospital over there across the street. Khalil mohammed director of the Schomburg Center thank you for your time. Thank you peter. Is a former Washington Post out for myself is quite a treat to be introducing bob woodward. I first met bob when i interned at the post back in the summer of 1974, the summer of course that president nixon resigned and its really quite remarkable to look back four decades and see that watergate wasnt a onetime hit for bob but a Takeoff Point for what has turned out to be one of the most fun on all careers in the history of journalism. The last of the president s men men the last of the president s men bobs latest book is his 19th a miced up previous 17 has become a national bestseller. I think bob holds record the record for the most number one nonfiction bestsellers of any author. His ability to get people to talk and to reveal things never before disclosed his legendary trait i can tell you as someone who has on occasion reported in bobs wake and i have heard again and again those who were interviewed by bob how extensively he prepares and how hard he pushes. Like a number of other colleagues of dogs i have benefited over the years from his guidance and found inspiration and perseverance and investigative talents. He can be truly generous with his time and advice and many of us at the Washington Post were quite appreciative that he remained on the staff contributing to the paper when he could have chosen another career path. Also its especially fitting to have this event here at sig well which bob has come to know well to daughter diana who graduated last spring. Bob and his wife elsa have been big supporters of the school and a were honored as Commencement Speakers last june. So im going to move over to that chair and spend a bit of time talking to bob about his new book and then you will take questions. Gordon libby would know how to do this. [laughter] how many people know who gordon liddy is . We have a very experienced crowd here. Anyway its been 41 years. Its been 41 years since you and Carl Bernstein came out with all the president s men which of course chronicled the watergate scandal and your new book, the last of the president s men takes you back to that period. This time you look at what was going on in the Nixon White House in the eyes of Alexander Butterfield who was h. R. Haldemans deputy insert as the deputy chief of staff during the first years of the nixon administration. My first question, bob, especially after mark felt acknowledged a decade ago that he was didnt you think you were done reporting on watergate . Yes. This is really not on watergate that its about nixon and of course nixon is the central character and having written so many books on him and trying to decode him yeah i thought i was done and then i ran into butterfield who by the way is now 89 and has an better memory than you and i. Its astonishing because i ran into him four years ago at the conference and said next time you are in washington lets get together and so he called and we went off for a day and it sounded like he had a few interesting stories and the Washington Post gives me unlimited time quite frankly and so when i was out in california i said you all stop by, do you have any document in the said yeah i have a few so i went into his apartment there in la jolla and there were 20 boxes. Most people leave the white house and i have a theory that theres a box in the attic but not 20 and it was a treasure trove because some of these things that were original and that we didnt know about and so i started looking at them. My assistant evelyn went out and started looking and i went for more interviews and then i said to my wife elsa, lets go out to california to la jolla for a real fun weekend. And sit in this historic apartment and look at documents and what butterfield was in the Nixon White House 50 months and he kept his chronicle chronological file for each month and they are on onion skin papered. We would sit there and some through them and elsa methodically, more methodically then i frankly and finally she said you know this is not just a newspaper story. This is a small book and this is the result. Was illegal for him to do this . Was there any statute of limitations . My lawyer would say dont answer that question. But i will. I have done this for so many decades and you want to be careful with documents that are sensitive and a lot of these codes were topsecret documents, but then if they really tell you something new and you check with the authorities is this going to do real harm to National Security which you always did, right . Theres a tradition there at the post of checking and if you have Something Like some of these documents that are sensitive to the extent to which nixon and kissinger squandered their memoir. If you look at their memoirs you say oh yeah bears theres a document loaded from january 22 and it has some of the same quotes as the document i have but look at all the things they left out. It pushes me to that question of how good is history the fact and the more you dig into it, you realize that its not as good as it should be and of course if there is no, if the historical facts are not correct, then the historical understanding is reduced. Nixon and kissinger were up to lots of things and you know then theres this you say at one point in the book what you found in the butterfield papers is in a failure to tell the whole story particularly of vietnam and you say may be time for a fresh examination of the entire vietnam record particularly in light of nixon and kissinger substantial efforts to distort the record of not explain what they are up to. It sounds like a job for bob woodward. There are so many documents. I called the library of congress while doing this research to this particular memo that we should talk about and i wanted to see if they have it because kissingers memoirs, i mean his documents are in the library of congress and he chuckled when i said can you tell me if theres this particular and he said there are a million documents in the kissinger file. Can you imagine going through and million of Henry Kissingers papers . Somebody should. He has a biographer who is off actually working on those yes, ferguson. The first volume of kissingers life from birth to 1968. Its called the idealist. I thought this was the mad magazine edition. [laughter] anyway back to butterfield. You have actually tried way back in 1973 when youre working on watergate and working on all the president s men to reach butterfield. He tried knocking on his door. I actually was able to knock on his door and there was a kind of little peek from the drapes and living room. Did you say lets forget about him . I didnt try again and i should be faulted for that and then after being nixons counsel made the allegations against nixon and the Senate Watergate committee was trying to find out if theres something to verify or refute the dean testified to. I told two people on the staff slammed who is the general counsel to talk to butterfield because a couple of people carl and i have talked to including mark feldt and hugh sloan who is the Nixon Committee treasurer said that butterfield is in charge of security and thats a kind of work that is used for wiretapping in the justice department. So they called him and there is a very long section in the book that is kind of a psychodrama upheld waterfield didnt want to come forward as a volunteer but he parsed it in a way that if they asked a direct question he would say yes there was the system. He credits you with encouraging the senate committee. Actually he said it more likely. He said you fingered me. [laughter] do you agree with that . I dont know whether they would or not. Perhaps not. He would look at all the people they didnt interview and they did an extensive interview with him quite early, so. There was a time when butterfield would tell his own story back in the 1990s. They actually had a contract with the publisher writing something and the project didnt go anywhere. He wrote a lot, hundreds of pages. Its a memoir but he didnt get to the Nixon White House until chapter 7 and somehow like all the people who write memoirs he thought his life was interesting until they got to that moment at the Nixon White House and so the publisher said no. Why do you think he has never really im not sure. We started talking and reading and going through documents with no signed agreement and there was never a signed agreement. Im 72, not 89th but i think when you get to be 89 you realize its not going to last much longer and these documents and the story should be told. So he finally ceded to you tell my story and there was no we read sections. He didnt read the book until it was published and in print and relinquished control. I said you know i cant do this if this is not as told to. This is my research in the context of all kinds of other information and what people have said. You spent 40 hours interviewing him. Whats he like, other than having an amazing memory for somebody who is 80 . What has he like . Well, he looks younger than i hes an honest witness and thats whats interesting because in the book he talks about some of his own failings like putting under nixon orders theres a tape of this were nixon says put the spy in the secret Service Detail of teddy kennedy. They will catch teddy and paris in bed with somebody or something and nixon ordered this and butterfield yes sir and did it. He was in charge of part of this internal security job was liaison with the secret service so we walked down to secret Service Headquarters and they had a person who had done in the secret service who is working with rosemary woods and they put them in there as a spy. This was a guy who told haldeman i will do anything for you and then butterfield to this day feels remorse because he knows he could have been indicted for this clear abuse. Ironically it also showed up on the page. He feels very conflicted than a number ways. E i mean thats the best witnesses somebody who has remorse, has a good memory and has written their memoir but it isnt published and he has thousands of documents. [laughter] is anybody else out there like that . Exactly. You were saying earlier this is the last of the president s men. How does bob know actually . We had formal interviews with this agreement and countless breakfast lunches and dinners. If anyone wants a restaurant recommendation in la jolla biking give them to you particularly this do not go list. Its big. The image of nixon that comes across through butterfields eyes as significantly to the portrait of the president as someone who was really quite strange, lonely, obsessed. Nixon could be petty and duplicitous, paranoid an awkward read much of this is the picture that we have gotten about nixon from the white house tapes. And other sources but butterfield adds more to it. What an notes about nixons behavior most surprised you . First vietnam issue. He has this topsecret memo which is printed on page 116 in the book where kissinger reports to nixon and just routine about vietnam. Its a document that the topsecret codeword, sensitive and nixon writes kissinger and his own handwriting. He said we have had 10 years of control of the air and vietnam loves cambodia. Whats the result . The result zilch. Total failure and that he wants a report back on this in two weeks. Theres no evidence of the report. I talked to kissinger and i think one was not made, but this memo in itself takes history and turns it on its head because nixon for three years said the bombing was militarily necessary the night before he wrote this memo there was a nationally televised interview with ann landers because of intensified bombing before in 1971 and nixon said its very very effective. And went on at some length about how important the bombing was. In fact it was so important that he was going to announce the removal of combat from vietnam. At this point all the combat troops were out and the president declared the Bombing Campaign and the strategy a failure. So what did he do in 1972 . More and more bombing and another 1. 1 million tons of bombs dropped in Southeast Asia killing thousands of people. The war continues and then you connect all the dots here to some of the other documents and tapes and nixon and kissinger talk about how popular the bombing was in the polls. The harris poll is 21, 2. 51 in favor of the bombing. And then you see when it gets most intense which was may 8, 1972 when nixon really went some of the most intense bombing ever and in it i wish i had a tape of this, nixon is talking with kissinger and kissinger says you won reelection on may 8, not the war, the election. Certainly in fairness to nixon he wanted to win the war but the war was lost and he knew it, kissinger knew it and they developed a kind of you know well we are going to get the p. O. W. S back, and its very important to do that. He talked about peace with honor and you know no combat troops virtually, ineffective bombing and what was the other part of the war strategy . So when you put this together i think its the other side of watergate. Watergate was sabotaged for him to win reelection by me can sure that the democrats nominated the weakest candidate. It turned out to be george mcgovern. Nixon won 49 states and the other side of that was to use the bombing in the vietnam war as a hey im tough, im leading, we are going to get peace with honor and when i put all this together i felt a kind of repulsion and sadness that there is an unwritten contract which means everyone in the military, you do your job and all do my job. This is a level of cynicism. Thereve been a lot of awnings studies after the war and nixon was right. It achieves zilch except killing lots of people. Lets fastforward to the present day. Obviously we are in the middle of a president ial election campaign. Are there any lessons to be taken from butterfields account . How do we find out about the character of some of these people who were being asked to elect without having to wait 40 years . Yes, exactly. If it were 1968 and you had somebody saying you know, there is Something Weird about nixon, could you have found out all of this . Now and theres a ceiling but you could find out more. I think the answer to your question is to find and Alexander Butterfield and put him in each of the campaigns and hope that obviously that isnt going to happen. So it falls to journalists, doesnt it . To do a kind of intense biography of each of the major candidates. Did you see the charlie rose interview with putin last month . Anyone see that . I think charlie rose went to moscow on putins territory and charlie rose said to putin, and putin is sitting here like this, kind of tearing him to tread into parrot tory. Charlie rose said you were in the kgb and theres a saying once in the kgb, always in the kgb. Putin said not a single base or stage of our life passes without leaving a trace. Whoa, this guy is really well prepared and thats true. Not a single stage or phase. The rage he expresses in some of these scenes, its beyond the tapes. These were things that were not on tape about it received when he was in new york and none of the slbs would invite him to their country club. Its almost the lament of no one asked me to the prom. And hes just on fire about it. And so, i think its true. Do you think its true . You spent so many years reporting. Not a stage of our life passes without leaving a trace. Some of it is getting at those traces. No one should go into the voting booth next year. And be able to say journalism did not lease provide me with the basics and trace it as best he can. As i say theres a ceiling but in the internet culture of impatience and speed and tell me 140 characters we have to go the other way. To two other questions and we will go to the audience. With regard to butterfield disclosure of the tapes, he still wrestles with what motivated him which you write at length about in the book. There is a moral dimension and people of all levels should think about it and think is this right . I have often wondered if nixon had one lawyer who had credibility and authority the ingenue of some of these things ever going on like watergate and management of vietnam and said you are president of United States you can do these things, he probably would have been shot but no one did to my knowledge. But its you try to fit your behavior and your performance and your job into a sense into a government calling of powless luka on the front page of the Washington Post . You dedicate this book to bill bradley who passed away year ago. What would he have thought Going Forward and you tell his story . First then i would have had to tell about it and say let me go with you. [laughter] he did that whenever somebody would walkin with the speaker from the 80s with the secrets it was so secret that they can be published today when i told them they said want to meet this guy and i am sure he would have wanted to do this but you work for him for how many years . And was that the post 30 years and he was not there in the final years the very much a presence when i started. Yes. His motto was the truth emerges and essentially the directions to his reporters was go faster and get the story. Why did you have 40 years ago . It is about time. [laughter] that is good. He is somebody who always had this since of what is hidden . Your not getting the full story so he would have looked at this to say you basket of question of anecdotes and there are so many and i intentionally kept the book dash short as i could. And there is one that went almost heard it i thought that it sounds a little extreme but then there are documents in the book that are pointed to substantiate and Christmas Eve 1969 nixon is in the staff offices Walking Around wishing everyone Merry Christmas can you imagine a Merry Christmas from Richard Nixon . [laughter] if he pops into your office. But he noticed there were a number of staffers who had a picture of kennedy on their desk so he calls in butterfield to say and he is in a rage it is an infestation and you have to give me cover but i want you to order all these pictures of kennedy out and get pictures of me. [laughter] because people should be loyal to the current president. Then haldeman rights butterfield a memo to say because this one woman and negroes and their rosenberg to head to a kennedy pictures. [laughter] with a double infestation. What about this woman who has to pictures . Who wish she . Where did she come from . Get on the case. Because if the president acts about asks about once a week at least so butterfield conducts an investigation and convinces the head of the staff offices that is only prayer proper for nixons pitcher and butterfield rights of memo how to the president directly to page the subject is standardization standardization like it as a disinfectant then he describes his efforts how he got the kennedy pictures out and inject on the ed rosenberg fbi and cia and she worked there anyone wonder than anyone with her sister as long as 41 years then bader field went out on a limb to say i think she is a loyal american. [laughter] i can only imagine the she did not check out. A think were ready for questions. Day que for doing all this work will the documents be going into the archives . I think something will be worked out so it is a lost to history and as i say have you ever tried to go through 20 pages of documents . Sometimes it is nothing than there is a california report and i cannot say maybe there is more stuff. [inaudible] [laughter] the bob woodward pinup. [inaudible] [laughter] you dont want to get me in trouble, do you you have no idea how many women i had disappointed. [laughter] it is in severe disappointment. [laughter] so what actor would portray you know, . I dont think that will happen. [laughter] so donald trump without a value judgment, how many people want the next president to be somebody that is totally out of touch with reality . And i say this that he has proposed deporting 11 Million People and if anyone has any sense if that is feasible or proper or in the logistics i think it is something people should think about how many people in your neighborhood would be deported . So all candidates need to be in touch with reality. Eyesight that not to single out trump but there is a concrete proposal that is not realistic. There was the mention of good nixon with bad nixon in a better field has a few anecdotes that do portray a compassionate side although the overwhelming image of nixon is not bad. But what do you have to say on the more positive good side to that extent . It is there and they did some things that are positive there is no question but we cannot have a criminal president we cannot have somebody manipulating a war for political purposes that is a sacred trust. [applause] you have to think about what happened nixon resigned august 74 and actually what caused the resignation was not the press or the democrats but the republicans and Barry Goldwater the very conservative republican from arizona often called the conscience of the Republican Party gave bernstein and myself his diary and explained what happened. So goldwater told us he turned against nixon for too many crimes and too many lives and the Republican Leadership in the middle of the week that first week of august 1974 and the republican leader and goldwater went to visit nixon and nixon announced uncomfortably and according to the diary in been substantiated later said i will be impeached in the house. That is a sure thing. So how many votes do i have in the senate . Twenty . That means he would be removed from office he said mr. President the last count is you only have four and one of them is not mine and he announced his resignation the next day. So these are people that believed he had positive traits in the end of every member of the house judiciary was considering impeachment said they would vote i believe it was 40 people . He crossed a political constitutional and moral law in that cost his own party to reject him. They are good things but what the Republican Party in the Democratic Party and the citizens of this country said we can have a criminal president. [inaudible] where is the parking garage . Across the potomac in arlington in fact, i feel theyre tearing it down. Did day . Or there is a plaque that the city put up to say this is where the meetings took place. [inaudible] Edward Snowden is the nsa whistleblower how my to expose that and get his papers and interviewed him extensively. Al think there are questions that necessarily have been asked frankly and there is a big debate going on with the significance of all of this. Well think it served a purpose to warrant everyone. Day you have and i found . And do you thank you have any privacy . Any . Nine. Zero privacy. Any Hillary Clinton is discovering that. [laughter] [inaudible] [laughter] really . A Security Camera on the plaque . [inaudible] being young . [laughter] it is started in in the book that we did all the president s men both very and both divorced. We had come out of the navy and i had been at the post nine months covering the police beat hah hah 1972 and i worked the beach to do stories during the day day, under the hum of a the authorities who of go find good stories but then the truth is emerging to slowly. Get off your but. So the morning of the home burglary they said who would be dumb enough to come in and work this morning . And my name was at the top of the list. [laughter] hot so they called me so that was just kind of being bad guys around the office who we do anything and i would because i dont know if you would agree but i think reporters have the best jobs in this country. Why . Because we get to make momentary injuries into peoples lives the interesting event get out when they stop being interesting if you are a lawyer or a doctor you have to deal with the routine. Did you ever come into the newsroom at the Washington Post to have an editor say how go find something boring and routine to write about . No. What is hidden or what do we know . What is the followup . What is having an impact on peoples lives . It is a great job. [inaudible] that is a good question. I didnt find anything that conflicted. Nixon was a really lonely man and and tell i looked at the butterfield materials because butterfield had the front row seat right next to the oval office for three years and a door right into the Oval Office Nixon could see him or she could see nixon at any time with total access. That is the catbirds seat. And he describes she read work when tel 637 00 you think he would go up to the residence but no. He would walk over to the eo be to make sure there were no kennedy pictures. [laughter] there was a taping system there that was secret service plot in to produce beat up on the stool and keep on his jacket had his manservant, can a dinner alone may be half wine or scotch and with his yellow legal pad to go through with a per bader field said in his office like what is on the air force one . And i think it is important for president s to listen to people but he drew an end one of the things he asked bader field to do with a steak dinner to say here is the guest list tonight you. [applause] check marks those of the only people that i want to talk to there is a dinner with coffee and drinks for 30 minutes Arnold Palmer and Clare Boothe Luce no congressman no senators and i cannot use the language. [laughter] he said those are the only saw life and better field is in black tie nixon is in black tie so do it now. Butterfield was an air force colonel so he called the social aides they had the Junior Officers that said you spot Arnold Palmer. You have seen him on television. He wasnt doing those advertisements at that point. [laughter] the president wants to talk to him so find out where he is then somebody else had the weather for then nixon could build a little wall and then a general who was the chief military aid and had to give the elbow to other people mr. President i will say hello. [laughter] if you are not on the list. But nobody knew this then the next day when they will be hashed out the dinner had gone, nixon said i like this lets continue and that one rehash of the state dinner nixon said you know, how long it took the waiters to bring and get rid of the solids . Ten minutes. That is too long. Butterfield said i am not doing my job i should have time to the solids. [laughter] so the minuet with five people nixon said check with the first lady so his other assignment was the pat nixon account to meet with her so he says mrs. Nixon, a the president has a list of five for the state dinner. Day you want to do the same thing . Alex. You must be kidding. He said now he is not kidding she said no. I like to meet everyone. [inaudible] [inaudible] ted is a great question. No. Not to my knowledge. Hough i thank you always have doubts and circled back. No. That never happened to knowledge. [inaudible] i have talked to him and i think he feels he had a lot of people calling him up to say why didnt you tell me . . [laughter] i was up earlier in the week at harvard during a forum like this in the one worked for nixon was interviewing me. There was a question session and a student came up the first person in line said i. M. Alexander butterfield grandson. And said no one saw the 20 boxes it would have been a great paper. [laughter] so i think he is at peace. And is convinced he did the right thing but the part of this story is that what is the motive them the multiple motives . And said canada interview your exwife . That is going into dangerous territory. [laughter] he said yes. She lives here. So then i thought it is better to do it that way and about the tapes i said what you think . She said i know that he wanted to tell. And to better field credit he said i will let that stand. It was the worst source. [laughter] but you have followed all of that. Do you think it there would have been a nixon resignation if there had been no tapes . This is why lawyers get paid by the hour. [laughter] you see them contemplating and thinking. Nixon does not get his memoirs. Go ahead. [inaudible] mechanisms by which he was forced namely the saturday night massacre. That occurred with his employers. That attorney general put out the assignment. He was forced by us to write the documents so when nixon ordered richardson to hire Archibald Cox which is the First Official press richardson had no choice. Its an important part but the vividness and evidentiary tape recordings and hundreds of hours of not just tapes. I have listened to a lot of those tapes and the dog that doesnt bark which i think is really important. To my knowledge, his aides never say what would be right . What would be good for the people . It was eyes about nixon. It was using the presidency as a personal engine of revenge and reward and that is the corruption and criminality and then now this new portrait in vietnam. How many people i was yesterday at the Army War College in carlisle pennsylvania speaking to 400 kernels and Lieutenant Colonels who were there at the school and one of the questions i asked was, and he says that bess. I said how many of you think the vietnam war made sense . There were six hands that went up. Six hands and you know vietnam is in our history and culture and it is agony in this country and to discover the commander in chief was bombing the asians out of the country and people and continues this war is something i think as i said i was in the navy and as you know that is unthinkable and that is not as bad as watergate but it is a moral failure that is really significant to understand because we get into wars. We have seen president s in wars recently. I did for books on bushs wars and the politics enters and why did we have that war and did we get out of it, can we get out of it . War is wrenching and i did a book on obama and i went to see him and interview him and asked him about war and gave them a quote from a book that Rick Atkinson had done which said war corrupts everyone and obama said if you read or read my nobel prize acceptance speech. I had seen it and i had read it and there remember it read something that was not understood. I went back and read it and there it is. Obama says war is sometimes necessary but theres always an expression. We have had a lot of war. Anyway as you can see i think this is something that we have got to understand and face up to and whoever his commanderinchief needs to really comprehend and understand that history and have some experience with it in some form. We are out of time. I just want to ask one last question. I know you dont like to talk about what you are up to next. We didnt find out the title from this book until two weeks before it came out. Can you at least say whether you are going to continue writing books . E, i suspect so because it is as i was saying a wonderful life and there are lots of things that we just dont know enough about and im swimming against the internet culture of give me a summary and so there are plenty of things to do. But you ask people and you hear people and what should we worry about . Wars, the economy . We were talking about inequality earlier. Health care, global warming. If we had a board, it would go on and on and my answer to that question is the thing we should worry about the most is a government. All the other things are problem that will heckle them but if government gets more and more secret and more and more inaccessible to citizens, the judge who said it right democracy and darkness and he looked at history and that is true. If you think olivia and Saddam Hussein in iraq, assad or the ayatollahs or putin and i in the 1980s went to libya. The foreign minister who i got to know had arranged for me to interview gadhafi. Because i had written about the reagan administration, plan to overtly overthrow him and so i went to libya and they had security people in some godawful hotel. A couple of days and i thought im not doing this and the looted two handlers and security in went down to tripoli and found the university announced people whats going on here . And they said you should have been here friday. Cut off aid sent Security Forces into the main square of the university and erected gallows. 11 gallows to hang the dead, 11 students. For their alleged crime knowing about or participating in the writing of gadhafis slogans on the wall. And he thought, thats pretty dire and ugly and things turned and if we dont have a press and we arent allowed to practice the first event we could to come victim of that. Thank you bob. [applause] you are going to stay and sign some books now . Yes, of course. Thank you. Thank you. [inaudible conversations] its all about when your life hangs in the balance, when you have a terminal illness is about giving you the right to try to fight to save your life by accessing experimental medicine while they are under study by the fda that before they receive the final green light. One of the things we like to do it that tv is go behindthescenes inmates and people involved in the publishing industry. Today we want to introduce you to someone who is an editor and in the publishing industry. Mr. Bellow what do you do for a living . Currently i have been a Nonfiction Book editor for 27 years. I currently work at harpercollins. I specialize in publishing books by conservative intellectuals and political figures. I have an imprint of harpercollins broadside books and previously ive been at harper for six or seven years and it i worked at other places in the industry. I worked at doubleday for seven or eight years that ive worked at simon schuster. I started my career at a small intellectual academic crossover imprint called the free press so when i started out i was really an academic editor at my job was to go to academic conferences and visit University Departments and talk to political scientist and historians and social scientists and try to sign up their books. Host who are some of the authors others you have worked with over the years . Guest over the years some of the people that ive worked with include james q. Wilson whose book, one of the books im proud to have published. Jim wilson was one of my intellectual heroes, a great social scientist and criminologist. Jims book is called the moral sense and when jim died a couple of years ago and i read an encomium to him one of his former students said the moral sense was his favorite look and the one that he was proudest of. That was wonderful. I became known for publishing books by conservatives by firebrands, young firebrand. Back in the early 90s i made my first splash with the book by Dinesh Dsouza called illiberal education which is one of the first books to deal with the fall of the legal correctness on campus. I followed that up with a book by david brock who was at that me