So we say at least you got it right. Well you got to quit while you are ahead. There is selfie, there is the boot print. Must be something else. What was that other one . Not much. Dont ask to buzz to take a photo for you. No, i am at the other end of the camera. I know. Okay. All right. We are going to start with you, young man. Let it me mars. After we get to mars what is the next planet or moon you think we should shoot for . After we get to mars what is the what . What is the next planet or moon you think we should shoot for . I think once we get enough people there to really setup a colony we ought to try the third planet from the sun. We ought to go back to earth. Any scuba divers here . There is another place we can go to one of those moons with the ice all over it and dig a whole in the ice a couple miles deep. Is that where we are sending you next . It is a little hard coming back up again. Okay. Hi, i have a special edition that was put out a couple weeks before you went to the moon. It says that you had the best scientific mind they had ever sent into space. [applause] i was going to say if it meant the most practical mind, the innovative mind, everybody is a scientist. You know . What did your mate say about that . No, no, no. What did he call you . Dr. Rendevous. Who do you think fits that decrypti decryption today . President astronauts . I dont know any of them. I asked one who had a glazed look on his face and i said do you understand any of this . And he said nope. Not much. And i said are there any accidents right now. And he said you got about maybe not quite like that. I have been planning some Nice Missions into the future. Hold on. We have people who have questions. There is a real nice one. This is a flyby of venus. See, i am looking for email astronauts because men are from mars and women are from venus. We got one in the middle apparently. Lets let this Texas Longhorn dude ask a question. Go army beat navy is the first thing. The second thing, i have been wanting to tell you this for a long time. A few years ago you were confronted by conspiracy theorists and you socked them into the face to respond. Boy, that was a splitsecond decision. He had i heard you beat someone up and he said it is just a one time thing. I had a lot who said i was the egg head from mit and man, i hit that guy. In the video you put your arm into it and it made me laugh and we watched it millions of times. That dude was huge. You are not talking about the people who played that over with the looping . Okay. Tie die here. Sir, i would like to thank you for your service to the country and humanity. [applause] i am wondering if you are familiar with a term called the overview effect . Once you get out of the space, especially looking down and seeing the earth what that does to you. He is not so touchy feely. Overview, side view, under view. I dont know what they are talking about. I get out there, look back, and it is just what i expected. You get out there and everything is pretty much the way you think it is. I am not sure everyone feels that way but that is the way buzz is. Ice in their veins. No, look, you leave earth and it gets smaller. We all know that. Not too many people know this. There was a little short film made several years ago. It said in the shadow of the moon. Well, if you play with your lands and think about leaving earth, going around the moon, coming and landing this way, and we want the sun behind us. So the sun is over here. So in order to do that, you go by and the moon covers up the sun but it isnt like one of these saying this is the moon and this is the sun. It is one of the most spectacular sights. They may want to hear you. Hearing aids are interfering here. Every flight that went to the moon did the same thing. We are all in the shadow of the moon. You didnt know that, did you . I am not sure i understood half that. Did you ask a question . It is your turn. Buzz, i know you want us to get to mars as soon as week and i certainly do, too. How do we get the country back where we are focusing on exploration . We think about the past, celebrate things we did in the fast frequently and have gathers talking about that and then we have a new administration. And with that new administration, somebody is in the white house. But it is more than whoever is there, whoever is there is going to be my friend. I have to go and explain a few things to him about part of it is, and to be honest, and i will say this, he is 86 years old and he is out every day tirelessly. Everyday. Talking to people and doing these kinds of things trying to get the public. There was a point when we first started working together and he would say i dont know if enough guys are on board and i said say they are on board. You need to get the public on board. We need to get excited about space and that is why he is here and talking to people and trying to remind the world what we did. We need everybody to get that enth enthuiastic again. There is a couple friends of mine who wrote articles and he wrote one about a year ago that death trap of public apathy for the Space Program. I am afraid that sums it up. Want to read anything about the Space Program . Page 35. Unless there is something sensational or another billion dollars to this program or, yeah. I will say this. One interesting thing is because we travel all over the world and one thing i do think has become a little bit of a problem is americans take these guys for granted but when we leave the country you should see the people from other countries. They are crying, they are shaking, they are in awe of what he and the other guys did. Americans are the ones who did so we take it for granted. But the rest, they are just beside themselves. They cant even fathom their country could do this. I really almost feel like the americans need to be reminded because everywhere we go in the world someone has to come up to him and tell him where they were if they watched it. Now it is getting to the point where some of the kids. They were farmers and their dad said you have to work in the field. Those are the stories we hear. We kind of need to remind people there are things like that. There was an iranian lady we met who said we didnt have tvs in our village but they broadcasted on the radio. The whole hundred miles radius, people came to the town square, and we felt like we did it, too. And you know, that is the kind of i try to tell people, you know, it is the one event the moon landings and especially apollo 11 are the one events in recorded Human History that the world joined together in a positive event. Not a tragedy. A positive event and something we did for the world. The plaque on the moon says we came in piece for all mankind. Peace. And that is pretty much the way all of us felt about the entire apollo program. That was the theme behind it really. Just like my theme is i took an oath to serve my country and that is exactly what i have been doing. It was a long time and it will continue to do because it is so satisfying to be able to contribute something for all the good things that have come my way and i happen to be able to and i will continue to do that. I may get into trouble a few times in the future. Well, i think we are at a most propitious time today. We are worse off in space than we were a week, two weeks before kennedys speech before congress. Behind them they had an organization that was functional. They had a program. The mercury program. We cant even get our people our astronauts up to a hundred billion space station. I was reading your book and i am wondering where you are going to dive with crocodiles . Well he is not going to scuba dive with crocodiles anymore. But i want to scuba dive with crocodile. With a tank on my back and flippers on my feet, when i get out of the water crocodiles run faster. Host he was going to but he change his mind. He said i did not want to lose a hand. Its take this young lady here. What is the one thing you wouldve done differently in your career . What is the one thing you would have done differently in your career. What would do you have done differently. All i can thing of all kinds of things you wouldve say. I would tell nasa do not cancel that maneuvering backpack just because you dont want a little failure of success. I want to fly that backpack just like George Clooney did. [laughter] [applause]. There is one more question and then we will end. Im a sucker for kids, im a mom. What advice would you give a 10yearold who wants to go to mars . What advice would you give a 10yearold who wants to go to mars . Get a doctors degree at age 25 and then joined the astronauts. Then they will send you to the moon where you will assemble things on the moon that will make the moon but you will assemble those for other people. And then you you will go down in land on the moon for a while then youll come back. Now thats just a training because that is exactly what you will do when you get to be 38, 37, you will go to the moon of mars and youll put together a base that looks just like the one at the moon. Dont worry, i know that seems all but he was 39 when he went to the moon. We have the spacecraft that will cycle and swing by the earth, pick up to or three and intercept, six months later they will get off the cycler as it goes by. Go to our website. What is that look like . It will be one just like it in orbit and then were going to build one in lunar orbit and then from there you will assemble things and then we will build the big one, the mastermind that takes people and that is why my program is called cycling pathways to mars. You can find out more at buzz aldrin. Com. If you want the mars tshirts you can get to it through buzz aldrin. Com. Those are fundraiser for buses foundation. Every single penny goes to the foundation. We have the new buzz aldrin space institute. Thats at florida tech and that is devoted to human presence, permanent presence presence on mars. We have to stop now, i know youre thinking youre going to explain but we have to go [applause]. Cspans washington journal is live every day with these and policy issues that impact you. Coming up on wednesday morning, will talk about the controversy over the recent hike in cost of epipen. 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So you can learn more about our offering to moderates, Brooke Hauser has written for the newse york times, los angeles times, she is also the other of the new kids, big dreams and bravery which is the winner of the American Library association 2012 outlook award. First moderator is anna holmes. She has written and edited for new york publications including the New York Times, washington post, newsweek, the new yorker online and others. Nd she is the editor to booksje including a book of jezebel which we have at a register and she works as a commonness for a the New York Times book review. Our last moderator, rachel is a writer and editor that shes been in the new yorker, New York Times, gq, wall street journal magazine and others. Her first Nonfiction Book is forthcoming from random houseert and she is also the founder off womens club. Na so please welcome our speakers [applause]. I just wanted to thank everybody for being here. Work on this but the book launching a book party but the book came out a few weeks ago. We pushed it back a little bit, the party not the book because i had a baby. So this is one of my first public appearances and im still in my mode. Ahead a bit of of anxiety dream last night whered had to make all of the so anyway we have one and i hope that you partake after the talk. Congratulations on your baby and yearbook baby. Thank you so i will be the moderator for the discussion. [inaudible] i wanted to stop by asking you about why her and maybe give us some contacts about how you see the the material. In 2012 in august, i was looking for a book idea and im back to doing the same thing right now actually its really a scavenger way of find a book subject but i see is one of the best one. [laughter] i think theyve made a film about it at the time but they havent seen it. But i was reading about Helen Gurley Brown and she just sounded like a fascinating character. She died in august 2012 in herer life is so colorful. Her story began in arkansas and ended in new york. In a way it ended in arkansas because she is buried there. But i just thought what that might be my computer skype income i have no idea. Anyway it was a fascinating story and she was a great character. I thought why dont i know more about her. But after college i started working at premier magazine but i did a lot for womens magazine that i thought if anyone should know about Helen Gurley Brown it should be me. And i do not understand why had not heard more about her. I just understood her as a older woman who people poke fun of later in life. So thats how we started looking into her story. Im and you been a long time readers. Yes i mean i do enjoy it now, and the first thing i did what i had a son at the time and he was two months old when i started digging through old issues of cosmo from the 60s and 70s. It was so much fun. Fun. I could spend years, its really a good time if you have extra time on your hands. In fact, we have a couple of original, barbara is an original staffer who was there in 1965. And eileen works at cosmo more the 70s, so was the first person, basically i went into it in 1965 cosmo which was a june or july issue and i looked and i started calling as many and track down people doing detective work. A a lot of people are not around more or they change their names. One lady is in denmark are yeah, denmark. Denmark. In de and she changed her name. So eventually i found barbara and she connected me to many people and that is how i made mm inroads. I wondered if there is a discussion for one more second but i had one more question about where you started the book. You i know you said to me that your editor and to bring the cultural Womens Movement to talk about things around her. I wanted to hear about the framing for her life that you chose. So now my editor, hannah would over there, my first editor was extremely helpful. She read the book and she said will this is great, her story is fascinating but if you want meant to read this, if you you want everybody to read this think about expanding the focus a little bit. And i thought that was a good idea. She said helen is really a good example of someone going into the right space. It would would help to kinda show the air around her that she was part of. So i did a few drafts trying to accomplish that. It was not easy because im 37 years old and i didnt live in the 60s or seventies. My my first attempt is very blunt she said Something Like this is like the flash mob of the 60s. I covered the mom, cover the assassinations and that i went back and thought, well what were the 60s like in effect they were different than the 60s they think of. It was more about she was a woman who was basically kicked out from living with her boyfriend on campus. And i found kind of like a different kind of 60s to write about that was really more in line with her own story and interest. So that was helpful. So and that you founded which from the beginning seem to be focused on speaking about powers and i want you to define the mission and talk about what your experience of how it was when you came into that project and if you had a big opinion about her work. Well it was a direct provocation against, towards women magazines. And they were horrible. I think a a lot of them have gotten better. My understanding of Helen Gurley Brown was, i have heard her and i think i first heard of her when i was a teenager. I do not subscribe to cosmo i felt really old to me. And maybe maybe a little scandalous because there is a lot on the cover lines about sex which made me uncomfortable. And i read other magazines as a team. And i knew she was a famous editor and choose longterm editor of cosmo. But i think by the time i started paying attention to cosmo the editor came right after helen and left. So bonnie changed it in a way that i think it became even more provocative and maybe it was dumbed down a little bit more. So i did have interest in it that as a reader. Its funny though because in 2007 when we were spending fourn months my staffers that i trying to think about how we are going to, what were going to put in the site we went to an old magazine purveyor, i would call it a store, it would there is a guy i think of the east tenth between third and Fourth Avenue and he had a lot of old magazines and we decided to get a pile of old cosmos to look through them as a way ofthe 60 informing ourselves about the issues that have come out in the sixties, 70s 70s and 80s but also for material to talk about. Youre right, they were fun to go through. I think i only had like five of them because theyre quite extensive. But but they had an energy that again, as a team i found intimidating but then i appreciated as a thirtysomething. What i knew about Helen Gurley Brown issues longtime editor, she was a force of nature. She was a very small woman and that her book for her husband was allencompassing. But enduring one of the most important things in her life. I think it came through in some of the content and in the magazine. I have issues with making that the primary concern of young women or even older women whether or not they have a relationship. But she is definitely a trailblazer. I think her views towards unmarried women and sex wasast maybe not revolutionary but important. Wanted to ask about herpo partners. I know that you had saidou recently and the daily mail hadt said kind of bombshell that come up with the idea and they had to take away and it didnt matter about the idea and how the partnership was i wonder what you discovered. What i always say is that he is a very famous hollywood producer and she was his biggest of all times. He did did jaws, but she was the real success story. Actually bob can speak to that, our producer who is friends with them both. We. We have some people, also helens cousin lou who is in the bus some people who really knew her very well. I think in some ways they had a very modern marriage even though in a lot of ways especially in 1962 when sex and the single girl came out. David had been married twice before and he credited the dissolution of one of him forti the fact that is exwife stopped working to moved to a magazine and new york city and when he moved to l. A. She stopped working and he credited the faci that she had given up her career and she was not happy staying at home. So he says Something Like, if you want to love a woman or you want to see a woman happy, let her work. Or Something Like that. He fully supported her career. She was a successful woman. But its true, sex, sex and the single girl was his idea. Idea bt but he edited it. And then when she started thinking about cosmo 1965 and that was basically just a book, magazine version of sex and the single girl and still is in a lot of ways. He had been a little long Time Magazine editor at cosmopolitan. He helped her get there too. My question to question to us, dont know if that matters, everybody who knows Helen Gurley Brown knows that she believed iy using men to get what you want. And she did. She used her own husband and he used her too. I mean for long time he was known as mr. Helling gurley brown because sex and the single girl was a huge success long before he made it big in hollywood as a producer. So heres a question for you both. When sex and the single girl came out it was a big hit and hit a cultural moment and it seems like were going through another Cultural Movement talking about women about single women, and labor of lovet so what it means to be a single woman in the modern day. I know both of you have written about over the years and im wondering why you think were in another moment . Thats a great question that i dont know the answer to. Why are we in a moment of. Im not sure because i agree that were in a moment and maybe a good moment in terms of book publishing, i think that might argue that their moments in television and maybe there have been for some time, although most television and maybe the future of the single woman, she usually ends up with the man. Even sex in the city. I think its just demographics. In a certain hunger by part of the authors and others to talk about what its like to be single and be okay with being signals instead of it being a way station to marriage. I think when i think of cosmo, mostly the oral or issues of cosmo from the 60s and 70s, i dont know any i dont know what you think, but it seemed to me that a lot of the stories i recall seeing in the older issue of cosmo celebrated being single is a not exclusively as a point on a timeline before you became married and partner. Where as i do think in the past years, maybe even 20 a lot of the magazine they would celebrate singlehood. But the underlying message was, you have to get a man, it is also very heteronormative. There isregained relationships. Also once you had a man, then you had to worry that you, then you had to worry that youre going to lose him. So they would give you tips on how to keep a man. S things that would involve sex. Or different types of sex. So do you think thats fair that with cosmo and depicting that of helen sarah. I would say that she encouraged women to be very adventurous and date lots of men and sleep with lots of men, surt and the way to getting married. And maybe thats the difference between then and now is think some of the books that have come out recently like all the singles ladies and certainly spinster they celebrate single dump for what it is. Not something is like a detour or a pit stop on the way to walking down the aisle. Y so thats that i think helenan also understood that not every woman wanted to get married. So i should give gave lots of man hunting tips, she also i think she understood that some women wanted to stay single for life and she encourage them, so much of what people remember about her has to do with sex and single and dating. But when i read sex and the single girl for the first time which was inwa 2012, the sex is hardly shocking. Note the girls with sex and the city and mike please, nothing in that book is shocking anymore. Except there are some very valuable advice. Most of it has to do with getting ahead in your career and budgeting your money. [laughter] so thats really what i took from it was how practical the advice wasnt also how clear it was to me that she was really saying, heres a stepbystep guide on how to become an individual. That was it. I. I still read it that way. I was not the target demographic, i read it on the back of a jogging stroller. You know like i was already in my thirties. But it still had a lot of relevance and good advice in that way. So i think its for to say that cosmo, at the time absolutelyit encouraged women to find their mates and get married that she get some good and bad of iceland way. Obviously that magazine was during the feminist movement. And you said that you think it is somewhat of a new point but when the people ask you which is not on what she feminist . It has gotten a little bit better because the first person who really asked was julia and i was let go. The reason i had such a hard time answering this because helen didnt call herself a feminist until she was much older. When she was younger and she wao kind of learning about the Womens Movement in 1960 and 69, she would write in her editors column, seven to my paller, i meant these women and what a bunch and not burgers they are,. Within four years later actually the 1969, soon after she wrote that about all women she published an exert on sexual politics which was really interesting. I actually emailed about it and she didnt even remember it being in cosmo because it was so very unlikely. But i would say that i still went call her feminist. I would say she didnt call herself that so its kind of weird to retroactively apply a label like that. Ld say i would say that she essentially believed what feminism is an equal rights for women and men. But she was an outcast of the movement. She did did not haveou that many friends within the movement. And outsiders to others were critical of her. I wanted to ask you since he spent so much time thinking ofen womens magazine and what they can do if you think that the magazine can be a vehicle to teach women about feminism, or especially as they evolve . Or historically they have a greater message . Do you mean when i think they can. I think my interest in the magazine was when i was in myes teens reading cosmo. In part because i was reading magazines that i felt work maybe not explicitly feminist but in some cases they were. Maybe thats not fair to call is a womens magazine but lets talk about a more commercialss issue like glamour or i was reading that like the mid 80s. It felt very productive. And then it felt regressive as i got older because ronnie fuller who then ran cosmo and actually thats when i worked at glamours so i absolutely feel that way. Again, its not not that the magazines didnt talk about relationship and something that were important womens life, but they just didnt seem to put the same sort of weight on it. It wasnt like i discovered feminism. I discovered it through my mother talking about it all the time and but those magazines felt like they were in alignment with the way i was raised in what i cared about and what i thought i should care about. I think its harder now because i think a lot of young women are learning about gender politics on the internet and not magazines. Magazines have the real struggle of trying to be relevant when they come out once a month. Would everything seems to have passed them by. I dont and the magazine editors with the task of trying to remain relevant with conversations happening every single day. Especially that about gender politics. I think where women are now becoming politicized. More so than with mixing. Thats that im living in a bubble. I live i live in new york, i talked to women who are similar in age and background to me who live in york. It is very possible like something that cosmo today or glamour, or any other women magazine is affecting the outlook on the ideas of a woman who is in in the middle of the media. Although most people have Internet Connections i would say. But its very possible the magazines are having more of an effect than i think they are. But the reason i found magazine so frustrating for so long isey because they felt like the only outlet are the only media that women had to turn toward in terms of learning how to be themselves or what it meant to be an adult. A lot of times i felt they were being observed with these magazines. We can say that it does exist, i write a lot for womens magazine and often i writety celebrity profiles where you do kind of ask the star at the a moment, do you think its a feminist and sometimes you get great answers out of it. I think if she had existed wayne it was in cosmos heyday, she really hated that stuff. She fabricated diets. I think they mapped fabricated 11 called the hardboiled egg l diet. And people wrote fake letters to the editor. In fact when i was doing my detective work trying to track down one woman who was called the first trevor girl, it was like a big fat cow idiot and i found her name and tried to look her up and i read her the letter. And she said yes. Yes i sent i sent that letter but i didnt write that line. But i wrote that line. And basically barbara can speak to that to because she edited the letters to the editor and wrote them. And helens defense having worked at a magazine, a a lot of times it stopped because they had to put out an issue once a month and theyve been doing so for decades. I guess he would come accustomed to what works and want to keep recreating it. There were stories that were created at the magazines that ie worked at that went backwards, which is to say the editorinchief thought of a cool cover line and then asked for a story to be written around it. Some of the stories i had to execute myself and the most memorable one was what was your secret sexual personality. So he decided that was a good cover line so i had to think of a 1200 word story that would accompany that story. So i dont know that letter to the editor but i do know a lot of stuff was massaged. If you ever read quotes from the magazine and they sounded a little too perfect or smooth, or peppy, that was because they were a tweet. Im not saying they were completely made up,is but they were tweaked in a way to create drama, tension or humor. I was thinking about the list of sexual positions in cosmo and now its like kyle 24 likes this one. But we talked about writing the biography were talking about how many questions they quote you in the column and then theyre in a quandary. But you said the eugene always love helen and she frustrated you and had to go back in fact check things a on my gosh that wasnt true. Mean as a journalist and as the biography suggest you feel an obligation to write your subject, and and to like your subject. To approach it with a kind of ethical eye . It definitely ethical with helen. I found that everything she said or wrote i had to kind of wonder about intake with a grain of salt. That actually made me completely fascinated. When she was asking me guess you could say like line you can say i will say i admire that, but you learn to write about it. It was really fun. She has she hasp a very fun person to write about. I did not always like her because well if you read the book you will see, there were times when she kind of cast her family in the light that was less than flattering and now having met some of her family members i think it has given me a new perception of what that actually feels like. So from the start with sex and the single girl she really created this portrait of her family is a bunch of backwoodsit hillbillies from arkansas. When i went to arkansas and met with her cousin lou and look to the family albums we spent three days talking, we, we really had a nice long talk. It was really interesting to discover that helen father was a lawyer and that was planning on running for Political Office when he was killed in an elevator accident. Her mother had been all schoolteacher and very educated for a woman of her time living where she did in arkansas. She went to college for a year. And she grew up middleclass in little rock even though it says she was dirt poor and all of the stuff. I found all of that to be reallo interesting. It was absolutely important to fact check. I think there is an obligation to like her could did you find yourself liking her more . I loved her. I loved her but i also had problems with, there are things, she was very rich at the end of her life and all the things she couldve done to make some relatives, her mother and sisters lives easier. Those were moral questions that dampen my enthusiasm for her at times. But her complexity, she is very famous for being very stingy with money. That puzzled me too because she really was so wealthy but she lived through the depression an she had a lot of issues. She had a lot of psychoanalysts and psychologists and had to wrap around her life. She was a very suave person. Again that makes her more interesting to write about. I never met her so i dont know what i wouldve thought had i gotten to know her in real lifea i have read every scrap of paper that she ever wrote on that has been saved. Its a weird way to get to knowo somebody. So with the complicated billing generally having for her and being 100 complementary. Is Something Like she couldve been a great feministgr hero if she didnt to so much [laughter] what you appreciate about her and her legacy . What a way appreciate about her . Well i appreciate that she was tenacious. I dont know that i respect that how she got ahead but i wasnt alive at that time. A lot of women who have achieved a o certain amount of power have had to go through the gauntlet and they live in the society were as estimated one of the single woman books that you mention she talks about Hillary Clinton and how its meaningful that Hillary Clinton that the woman who might be a first female president was married to a powerful man. Because not to say thats why she became powerful but be in attached to a man does open certain doors. In a way that it may not have someone else. So i admire her tenacity. I. I dont know if i agree with some of her opinions on how to achieve power, but one thing that that bothers me about her and i dont how fair this was as this was the case of the whole era, if you look at old issues of cosmo more recent issues of cosmo, like cosmo, like even from the 80s and 90s, they didnt really give a sense that american women were diverse. I mean in terms of Ethnic Diversity perhaps they were diverse in 1968 as they are now, but its something that occurred to me when i was looking at more recent issues of the magazine that was speaking to a narrow era of american womanhood. Ic thats to say say probably middleclass, highly educated, caucasian, and that was one of my frustrations with the womens magazines that i work for and that i read in my 20s and 30s. Part of the reason my i talk about jezebel because i walked on the street in new york and t see a whole type of womanhood io terms of ages and ethnic backgrounds and economic situations. It was not to be reflected in womens media. It felt like we were living in the 20th century when we were on the 20 first. Thats something that frustrated me about her and why have a little bit of pause. I dont think she really addressed economic or racial issues in the magazine at a time when theres a lot of stuff going on in the american political system. For sure. One of the more fascinating avenues that i went down when writing this book was comparing cosmo from the late 60s to an issue of i magazine which is the first title that nobody really remembers anymore. It was all like rock music and kind of like cosmo meets Rolling Stone and how the supervising editor of that. It was just such a clash between the editor who ran i magazinee and helen and absolutely to go through cosmo from the sixties, there is really no mention of Martin Luther king or kennedy and people talk about how goodlooking he was. F my in other titles and headlines i remember from that era were one of my favorites was the undiscovered joys of having a chinese lover. [laughter] i dont know. It was so out of touch. And really crazily out of touch. But she wasnt, her target was really illustrated in contracts to mid magazines. Her target reader was white but a simple, small town, like workingclass girl from the boondocks basically. As i lean in some other people who worked at cosmo the 70s told me,