At the Bigger Picture of health, and that means the health and well being of authors, because while it may not be that their best strategy is maximum enforcement. We need people to create content. We need authors. We need entrepreneurs, and we need a very robust Public Domain. We need to be able to access that information that is created out there, these creations of the mind. I guess thats really the three Interest Groups that are interest in copyright. Authors, entrepreneurs, a 21st century version of the print press, and the Public Domain. When i look at the hearings that are being held in congress today, its very easy for the authors, the songwriters, the photographers to find their voice in congress. If you are a successful entrepreneur, you know, google gets to talk to congress. Mark zuckerberg and call of obama as he did earlier this month. They get heard. The voice that is hardest to get out into the general discourse is the voice of the Public Domain. I would like to see people from the humanities, anthropologists, historians, economists, scientists, biologists, people, a very robust discussion about what copyrights mean for people and what they mean for us in our society. I think we might need a new vocabulary. I dont think the word property quite covers the interaction of rights and liberties and goal of the copyright act. I think we have to be very careful about making our intellectual property intellect much about property. Im going to close with two thoughts. I think you may have read in the press about the loss of that was brought by the faulkner a state naming woody allen for the movie midnight in paris. Owen wilson in that movie paraphrases, very famously, he said the past is not dead. Its not even past. And woody allen was sued for Copyright Infringement based on his use of that snippet. I can see where the faulkner estate would come up with the idea that they would be able to claim some kind of Copyright Infringement on the basis of that usage, little samplings of music have to be licensed. Everything that appears in a motion picture, the pictures on the wall, the Product Placement is not just about selling goods. Its also about making sure that you have the right to publicly display everything you see up on the screen in the cinema. Everything is licensed. So i can see where they would have the idea that taking a snippet out of the faulkner book also ought to be licensed. Fortunately, the judge, but you should judge said no, that was fair use by woody allen. And i think that case illustrates that if we give absolute control over literary property to authors, it really amounts to censorship, censorship that is just as pernicious as those dark days in great britain, you know, you were deciding who got to print books based on whether their protestant or catholic, support the curtains or the loyalists. It just doesnt make any sense. And i think its particularly appropriate puritans. To end on that note of the Tennessee Williams festival because if theres one thing about Tennessee Williams worker, and that is, the notion of censoring language i think would have been analogous became. This is a man who had such facility with words. And its not just a string of words that come out of its like hearing poetry. But its also how powerful you can manipulate a single word. All i have to do is say stella. You know what i mean. All i have to do is say mendacity, and you know what i mean. One word. So i think words are important. I think authors are important. I think copyrights are important, and help the other literary festivals will also Start Talking about this, because the issues, its about to us all. And i thank you for your time. [applause] i think we have a few minutes for questions. Always the horrifying part of do you think its time to divide types of media up . So that we dont end up with copyright laws [inaudible] what do you think about ebooks . If i go buy a hard copy, its mine. If i buy an ebook, im sort of getting them [inaudible] the question is whether not we should have a set of different roles based on the type of media, and what do i think about Digital Rights management. I think that one of the things that people, the scholars are writing about is whether or not we need to set up different rules based on the type of working questions. I think that is vitally important. I think its a helpful direction, because what works in a music marketplace, not talking about sampling snippets of music. If thats the way the music marketplace wants to operate, thats great, but maybe in a literary cinematic storytelling marketplace we want to be able to say that the past is not dead and not worry about getting a lawsuit. I think that is certainly one of the areas where scholars are looking very hard. The other thing thats telling about Digital Rights management is, part of the story we didnt know is how powerful technologists, how powerful that the voice, the entrepreneurs have about what happens in the field of intellectual property. The libraries and archives are limping along under a 1950 1976 version of fair use rights. But every time a satellite provider, cable company, cable wasnt around in 1976 either. Digital Music Distribution when, when technologists want the law to be changed and updated and refreshed, they go to congress and for better or worse Congress Amends the statute, the copyright act. I think its been amended 35 times since 1976. Not once, you know, we really updated what rules applied to educational institutions. Certainly poor libraries are just dying under this very archaic system. One of the things that technologists got was something called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, and it was passed i think in 1998 or 99. Its about 15 years old, and it did two things. It protected the Internet Service provider. If you followed certain rules you would be in a safe harbor. So if the user goes on facebook or interest and post in french and content, facebook isnt going to be responsible. Youtube is not going to be responsible to the Internet Service provider is not responsible. So long as they have set up a procedure for takedown notice. So btcr song, your photograph, your work of bush without your permission in an inferential man on a website, you contact the Internet Service provider and you say this is an infringement, take it down. If they take it down, theres like a Response Period and all those, formalities that are followed, but that shields the Internet Service provider from liability. If you are the blogger, if youre a lawyer standing of giving a talk about copyright, youve got to worry about the rights of management a good thing. Internet Service Providers have been taken care of. The second thing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act did was it made it illegal to tinker with Digital Rights management. With things like with the ebooks where all you do, you are licensing access to the digital media. The person can protect that median and say that you cant lend it. If you try and use it in a way that is not authorized, i can take it back from you. And this is something that, that was a very fundamental change because once you buy a book, theres something called the for sale doctrine. Once you buy a copy of a work, a book, a work. I can lend it. I can do anything i want with it. I can, the old blockbuster, i can release these things. Its my work. My copy, i own it. With digital copies on a Digital Rights regime, all of a sudden my ownership of that copy doesnt give me as much right. Honestly i think that will be talked about. I understand why Digital Rights management makes sense, but i dont think it was properly calibrated to say, you know, let us protect the entrepreneur who made all this digitization possible, not that entrepreneurs working in the Public Domain, leaders, people who want to share information, and thats important. And i think it may have been, that was one of the things i had in my mind when i said the entrepreneurs are well represented. Authors are well represented, but we really do need to think about that Public Domain and all that that represents. Any more questions . I have a question. If you send a document to an agent or a publisher, especially one that is not well known, is it more dangerous for someone to grab your work now, or [inaudible] i dont think anyone, you know, i dont really think theres a danger in sending a manuscript to an agent. Theres no incentive for the agent to steal. Is also, you know, its an easy problem to remedy, and somebody would steal in a circumstance like that would absolutely be in bad faith. They deserve all the copyright penalties and lawsuits you can bring down on them. And you really dont see people bringing claims about forwarding emails and things like that. Its just the notion that weve got a set of rules that would violate every single day of our lives, and that just doesnt make sense. Because the threat is out there. The chances that somebody would complain about an image in a presentation at a book, literary festival, our small. But the consequences are dire. Litigation is expensive. And why, you know, why have the uncertainty . It affects what we do. And its a form of censorship. The pathetic thing is that anybody with a smart phone can google steam punk star trek and see exactly and talk about but i cant put it up here. That doesnt make sense, so thanks. Thank you so much. [applause] [inaudible conversations] visit booktv. Org to watch any of the programs you see here online. Type the author or book title in the search bar on the upper left side of the page and click search. You can share anything you see on booktv. Org easily bite licking share on upper left side of the page and selecting the format. Booktv streams live online for 48 hours every weekend top nonfiction books and authors. Booktv. Org. Alvin townley recounts the imprisonment of american soldiers in hanoi during the vietnam war next on booktv. He highlights the 11 men who were singled out by the North Vietnamese as leaders of resistance movement. He reports that these men, dubbed the alcatraz eleven, were placed in solitary cells where they face repeated physical and mental torture. This is about 45 minutes. Well, good morning and welcome to all of you. Today, for our discovery saturday series, we have a special guest, and author who has written four books, and hes going to discuss the latest of those four books. I have it in my hands entitled defiant the pows who endured vietnams most infamous prison, the women who fought for them, and the one who never returned. Hes going to tell us about his book, and then he is going to answer some questions and then hell be available to autograph copies of the book if you would like. Now, we are privileged in the course of his presentation to also have some of the pows that are mentioned in the book with us here today. We have ross terri was sitting right over here, sir. We have Ralph Gaither who is sitting over here, and we have scotty moore can. Where is Scotty Morgan . Right over here. Are there any others . Yes, sir. Bob flynn. Any others . Listen, gentlemen [applause] let me tell you two things by way of introduction of our author. His name is alvin townley, but i was given a copy of this book about a week ago. And i thought well, okay, if im going to introduce alpha and, but i do see what this book is all about. Ive read several other accounts by stockdale and others, relative to the pow experience in vietnam, and i have had extensive conversations with apple stockdale over the course of time both as a mentor and as an advisor in the Navy War College and i had the privilege of going through the hanoi hilton while i was still on active duty and seeing as it is today which is basically a tourist attraction. So i thought i probably ought to read it. The way im going to do this is im going to read an early chapter, im going to read a middle chapter and then im going to read the last chapter. That doesnt work. It doesnt work. It is a great book. Its written in a very captive, capturing narrative style. Its the kind of book that takes you up and absolutely embraces you with the human spirit and our ability to adapt and the heroic measures that were taken by those that were captured and held for extended periods of time. But im not going to do about it and im not going to read the book im going to let the author do that for you. And without further ado, folks, alvin townley. Its an honor to have him here with us. [applause] thanks, general. What the general didnt tell you, hes a marine corps general in what he didnt tell you was the reason is only going to read three chapters is thats all a marine can do. [laughter] any marines in the audience by the way . Anybody who stands up for the core . One, two, three. Firsfirst of all i want to sit t an honor it is to be here in the blue angel atriums speaking under for skyhawks which is a unique experience. Im thrilled to have for former pows, former convicts in the audience with us. Everywhere i ago i think the pows like to make sure that one or two folks in the audience keep me honest. So if i mess up you guys let me know. I want everybody to imagine for one second that youre a Lieutenant Commander bob shoemaker, 30 years old, you have a wife and a newborn son at home. You were the top of your class at u. S. Naval academy. You were a finalist in the poll asked about program. You are a Navy Fighter Pilot and for those of you who know navy who you know navy fighter cause, you think youre the finest in the world. You fly, was, navy anyone from the air force your . All right. Sorry, gentlemen. Might be a rough morning for y you. You are 30 and you are flying these machines, all of these jet machines around you. So you think the you can control the uncontrollable because basically strapping into an f6 or f8 is like stopping on to a rocket. Nobody can control that. You have the confidence to think that you can. You in complete control of the world. Its february 9, 1965, the first day of the air war against North Vietnam. Your 100 miles off the coast of North Vietnam on the uss coral see. February 9. All those character traits, all that confidence, thats who you are. This is bob shumaker on february 11, 2 days later. Being captured by the North Vietnamese in a flooded field somewhere in North Vietnam. In 15 seconds, bob shumaker went from being in complete control of his world, completely sure that nobody in the entire country of North Vietnam could shoot him and his f8 consider down. Theres no way. Thats what happened. He gets hit. He was going to try to say mayday, mayday and evasive got out the syllable may and realized itd go ahead and punch out he would never finish his medication discipline wouldve been in the ground. He popped out, ejected under 1000 feet. He thinks his chute opened at about 35 feet, maybe 50 feet. In training he learned to do multipoint landing. You disperse the impact of landing out several different body parts. You roll. Is a visited a one point landing. Right on his rear end. He fractured his back and there he was in North Vietnam without his aircraft, without his weapon, without his squad took him without his aircraft carrier, without all those things that made him the worlds best Fighter Pilot. So you said you thinking about his situation and the first thought that came to his head was and what should i do next or how much going to get out of this. Actually back a couple weeks before he deployed. Life insurance salesman had come by his house offering to sell life insurance. He declined comment on the ground in North Vietnam he wished he bought more. So that began his stint in captivity. He was taken captive ever 11, 1965. This really wasnt that big of a problem because the war was just beginning and we were at the United States of america. There was no way that the United States was going to leave what of the best Fighter Pilots in North Vietnam as a pow. Bobbitt figured he would be home by christmas. Will, that was 1965. He was there all 1965. He was there all 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969. We have a new president. 1970. The United States begins withdrawing troops from North Vietnam or from South Vietnam rather. And they begin wondering, is america going to lead us . We are withdrawing our troops. The war is not over. Whats going to happen to us . 1971, 1972. The pows did not come home until 1973. For bob shumaker, if youre still imagine your bob shumaker, that meant that you were in prison for eight years. Eight years where you didnt know if youre going to get home ever. But you made it through the. You were there with a bunch of other guys in 1965. These guys who you are with were state wrestling champions, air force guys will appreciate one of the folks was a former u. S. Air force thunderbird pilot. They were fathers. They were husbands. They were sons, and they all ended up in the prison. North in these would take them up to hanoi and at some of you did was here today can tell you, it wasnt a very pleasant journey. But it all came together at hoa lo president was built in the late 1800s by the french the coverage of it in North Vietnam and generally for decades. And the country was basically a colony. So for decades this Prison Health vietnamese captive. The pows said when you came into the prison you could almost hear the screams and the agony of 70 years of prisoners. So very quickly these guys realize North Vietnamese are going to try to isolate them. They learn from the own experience in this prison that prisoners could communicate with prisoners that were hard to deal with. So they tried to separate the prisoners and keep them in separate cells when they could. The pows realize this and they knew they needed a way to communicate when they werent going to go to the freely and talk with another. They came up with whats called the tap code. This was the lifeblood of the pows in vietnam. And very fortunately, a couple pows remembered this code from a coffee break conversation in air force school. Bob shumaker and a couple other guys were together in the spring of 19 safety five for just a couple weeks, and they realized they needed some kind of indication. They came up with a code they called the schmidt the hairs tax cut after the man who remembered it from survival school. You notice in 25 letters of the alphabet, it was taking out the cake, a reins on a by five grid. The deal was if i want to send ross terry a message, i would tap, lets say im going to send the letter b. I will tap once and i will tap twice because its in the second column. My generation sometimes thinks we are the ones that invented up repeated text messaging. No, no, no. These pows were saying this longer for my generation was. They would sit there all day and tap through the wall. They might be able to get five to six words a minute. Once they got efficient and if they guessed the word coming through, they would get a quick double wrap and the purses send a message would move onto the next word. That was the first challenge they had to overcome, how to communicate. The next challenge was how to abide by the code of conduct. Every military pilot who was shot down in the him in vietnam had learned the code of conduct. The code of conduct basically said that you werent going to kill your enemy anything other than your name, your rank, Service Number and your date of birth. Is what were going to make any statements against the United States. You werent going to write any propaganda. You werent going to spell out your fellow serviceman. Sal out. So now stand it was ross terrys pilot was one of his early interrogations and he knew all about the geneva convention. When interrogator came in and asked them of the question and asked him to say that things about america, he said wait a second, i protected by the geneva convention. The interrogator said, oh, yes, we know all about the geneva convention. Were just not going to abide by it. So this is the situation these pows faced. They were expected to be in a situation where the enemy would honor these international agreements. A situation where the enemy would tell the families that did survive. In a situation where they wouldnt be put under duress to give statements. Thats not what they found. Till late 1965, we do know exactly why, but North Vietnam decided they werent getting enough good information, good military intelligence or good propaganda out of the pows. So someone in hanoi decided they needed to go ahead and get information. So gentlemen showed up. The pows never new any of the names of their captors or their interrogators. They nicknamed him. So there was a guy, rabbit, that, big ugh. There was drut. Paid i was one of the most famous. He was the one that investors a lot of the worst torture. I would have went to kind of screwed for indices all that, except the former pow figure all of done it enough. I want you to put your arms behind your back and clasp your hands together. So that was the first thing they do. They would ask you, before this gets bad, dont you want to sign the statement . Dont you want to say that america is an and perilous power . Dont want to say this is an immoral war . Dont want to say you renounce what america is doing . If you do, we will give you some good food. We will let you go play volleyball. We may let you go home early. But youre an american fighter so your competitive and theres no way that you going to do these things. Youre going to beat these guys. So they said all right. Now pretend somebody has rope around her elbows and theyre pulling her elbows together. Can anybody touch her elbows . Pretty hard, isnt it . Theyre pulling your arms and it feels like your shoulders about to pop out of their socket. Your sternum is about to split open. And you still wont tell them what they want to know. They say, come on, come on, just signed his confession. We wont even tell anybody. Trust us, we wont tell anybody. No one will ever know. If youre an american Fighter Pilot, an American Navy to come youre not going to do that. Might be an air force guy, too. They will not do either. They said all right, so your legs, if you can, if you can put a legs out straight in front of you, try that. Imagine theres a pair of leg irons on your ankles. Your knees are flat against the floor. The concrete floor, small room. They take those arms that are roped together, almost popping your shoulders out and they pulled up over your head and they drive your face, your nose down to your knees. They called it the rope trick. And at some point, everybody broke. There was no way that your body can take that. You guys can come out of the stress position now. Imagine being in those positions for hours sometimes. Sometimes they would make it so bad that you would choose to break code to every american a theater that did this was by himself. So the first time he broke, the first time he signed a confession, the first time he did more than his name, rank, Service Number, date of birth, he thought he was the only guy that couldnt hold the line. These guys are just crushed. They would come back to their cells, through the tap code they learned that they werent the only guy. That nobody could hold a. So the pows came up with own system. They had to figure out a way for them to return home with honor. I had to come up with a system that would allow them to deal with this new reality, terrible, brutal reality in a way that let them feel good about themselves, and let them know they have done their best and theyve done their best for their buddies. They came up with a code, their own code. They called it backus. Commander jim stockton was one of folks that help come up with this. Use one of the leaders of the pows. And so backus, of course you guys know that goodness we know theres no k. B stood for dont bow in public. Never let the world cameras see an american Fighter Pilot bow in front of a chapter. A stood first day off if it was they really work you over, youre not supposed to make any broadcast of any propaganda on the air. C was confessed no crime. The North Vietnamese never called the american aviator anything other than a war criminal. The second thing landed there were war criminals. Were criminal, war criminals. Commanders talk to want to make darn sure they were not criminals. They were soldiers. They whenever to confess to any crime. And u c is for dont kiss up and dont kiss them goodbye. So dont carry any special features favors. Whenever you go home, whenever that was going to be, remember they did know when its going to be, whenever that was, every american should remember how terribly they were treated and never forget that. Then u. S. , back us. Uss ponce most tenant of the code. U. S. Stood for unity over celtic pows knew that to survive is to maintain a line, a common atom line against their interrogators, they had to be unified. They had to remember that the unity was the most important thing, that they should always have their brother pows in mind whenever they were being tortured, whenever they were writing anything. Everyday, how can they support their brother peter w. s . And thats the way these men got to the situation by supporting each other. There are about four or 500 pows in North Vietnam. Maybe more at times. So theres a real organized resistance. Jim stockton was one of the few leaders of that resistance. But it didnt matter what prison he was in. Are so prisons around hanoi but his order made to all the pow camp. At one point that he and his bride in front of a tribunal, cat, the commander of the prison camps came up to him and said, you cost us a lot of trouble. Criminals in camps miles away know your orders. Youve set our Reeducation Program back to years. Jim stockdale said he never received a final complement than that. But Jim Stockdale and his leadership team, there are a lot of Senior Officers there. North vietnamese realized that these guys were causing trouble. They had to get rid of them. They identified 11 pows most of them were senior ranking navy commanders, and they need to kick them out of hanoi hilton but the other thing this book tells you is how to get kicked out of the pow camp. Jim stockdale and Jeremiah Denton, Jim Stockdale received a medal of honor. Which accepted on behalf of of all the pows when he came home. Jeremiah denton became a u. S. Senator from the state of alabama, and quite famously some of you all may render with this, they put Jeremiah Denton on tv to do a live interview and he did two things. One, he didnt say what he was supposed to say. He said what he wanted to say. So he knew he is getting in trouble for that, and you do get in trouble for that. But he also sat there. He blinked a lot. I think everybody thought he was just blinking because the studio lights were kind of bright, but jerry denton was a lot smarter than i am because i can barely talk and write at the same time. But jerry denton could talk and blink torture in morse code. Again and again. With his eyes torture, torture, torture. George mcknight, george coker, George Mcknight was a boxer from oregon. George coker was a state wrestling champion from new jersey. These guys were like molotov cocktail. These guys were part to the most in senior prisoners that they had over there because for the second the land in North Vietnam they hated their captors and they let them know. They never let them forget it. In fact, these two escaped. Im not going to tell you what exactly happens because i want you to read a book and find out, but one of the best sites doors of the entire pow era is what these two characters did, how they got out of their cells and how far they got. Its an amazing story. Harry jenkins and howard rutledge. These two men were both commanders, both squadron commander, ended up being kind of laurel and hardy, the african fracked of the pows. They were never more than african fracked of the putative. 30 feet apart for eight years. For the first years there were number number three feet apart with the never even saw each other. They would just tapping through the walls. Jim mulligan and sam johnson. Jim and some both made it out. And today they sure grandchildren. So jims son married sam johnsons daughter, and then at what they collectively called the pow grandchildren. Sam is now a congressman from the state of texas, and delete solo pilot for the thunderbirds. Ronald storz, one pow from this group of 11 that didnt make it home and it is ronald. When you read the book, and of what youd read the book not because i wrote it but because its most important and most incredible story you will ever hear. When you read the story, when you read about ron, you kind of understand how terrible am immensely terrible that whole situation was. Nelson tanner, they flew together. October 1956 they were on the coral see. They got shot down. He wasnt a senior officer but he ended up in this group of 11 and ill tell you why. I love this story. So he and ross got worked over for quite a long time and finally embezzled at the end of the rope and they realized that theyre going to have to write this confession eventually. So they decided they would award going to write a nice confession. Theyre going to write a very subtly subversive confession. So this point nels can barely even use his hands so ross wrote a lot of this. Not that he was in good shape either. They talked about some of their fellow officers back on the proceeding protested the war. And they mentioned to one of those officers was clark kent, those of you who are members of the men know who clark kent was. The vietnamese didnt notice this. They thought that was just fine. A couple months later for whatever reason they just used nels name on the press release. Everlys visit to the world, this confession to the were. They thought they had this great confession. They got a phone call from the United States a couple weeks later and one of their friends there had told them that clark kent was superman. And they came, they got nels and they took nels a long with these other folks to alcatraz. This is a little present about a mile north of the hanoi hilton. At 13 cells, and im not sure why they left it empty. I think they probably forgot to include a couple of these guys in there. And they lived on these 11 guys lived for two years in nine by fourfoot cells. So think about this. This is your world for 23 hours and 50 minutes a day. So nine feet is about that. This is about four feet. This is where those guys lived for two years. There were no windows. They would walk in this space. If they had enough energy, they didnt ge get very much foods on they couldnt even do pushups or situps, or they were so banged up, so injured that they could neither. This was their world. All they had. They couldnt see out of it. It was cold in the winter and it was like a furnace in the summertime. They had nothing to do. So when i was writing this book i thought that the worst part about being a pow might be the torture. And when i told the guys writing this book, commander george coker said, why . It was boring. It back and he doesnt know what hes talking about. Well, let me tell you, i got a friend to build me a replicate of alcatraz p. Diddy still in my garage in my backyard. And one night he came and he kidnapped me, and i had a bucket, you can figur forget whe bucket mightve been for, and a blanket, pair of pants and a tshirt. And a little bottle of water. Josh locked me in that so but i didnt think this was a problem because an is going to kidnap me at some point, and so there was a key lock, a keypad lock and i stashed a key inside the soso if it got kind of rough i could get out. And so that first night i probably had been in there for i dont know, probably eight hours, hey, i was bored and this kind of cool but i couldnt sleep, i thought im going to go get a blighted. No one is going to know and im just going to take my key and open the little holes they have for me, reach around and unlock the padlock. Well, i dont know what this says about me, but josh had apparently anticipated i might do this and he changed the padlock. So in just a tiny, tiny, tiny way, tiny way, i got a little small taste of what it might have felt like to be my age and to be taken as a pow and really lose control. You cant get out of the box you are in. As the next couple of days went by and asked in that box, i learned what george coker meant when he said it was boring. It drives you crazy. Youre trying to find a crack just so you can see a side and watch shadows move our hope a squirrel run out of money just for you can have something to change. When these guys got to alcatraz, thats what the North Vietnamese did. They left them there. They made them just sit there, forgotten, rotting away. These guys have to come up with ways to keep themselves occupied and other pows it is the same way another self. They had to come up with ways to keep occupied. So they would tap a womans to each other. They would build houses. They would sit there for days and tapped each other to find out, sam johnson was a Building Contractor before he joined the air force. So they founded exactly how much lumber cost, how much breaks cause. They would build these elaborate homes in their minds. Bob shumaker said his to a particularly long time to build because the chimney kept collapsing. They would come up with all sorts of ways to keep their minds occupied. And you know, again remember, they didnt know when theyre going to get out. They might not have gotten out had it not been for their wives. Has anybody seen this flag, this emblem lacks this is one of the most extraordinary womens movements in history, and almost nobody knows it. The wives of these guys realize that they had to take action to get there has been some. To earlier i asked you to pretend you are bob shumaker. Not what youd imagine your simple stockeu, 40 yearold naval life, your four kids because it is flying over North Vietnam. A sedan pulls up at your house, senior officer, his wife and the chaplain get out. Start walking to your door. You know your husband has either been shot down or killed. They come in. They say your husband has been shot down. We think is a life. Were not really sure. North vietnam is not going to tell us one way or the other. We will try to find it for you but we ask that you be quiet. Dont talk to anybody about this. Just keep quiet. Dont talk to the press. Dont tell anybody. You dont have to. We will take your well take care of the. 11955, youre a military wife, your do what youre told to do. You accept this. You trust the government. Well, through something genius communications which you read about in the book you learn that the treatment for the pows isnt very good but as a matter of fact, through secret communique you learn your husband is in the hands of people that are experts in torture and hes inlaid eyes for 16 hours
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