Time. They are kind of incidental also apparently. Anyway, thats my 2 cents. We have far back in the forefront. On the policy question you gave a great example on Climate Change their influence was able to kill the legislation but do you think they have a thought on how their apparatus is possibly harming efforts to move criminal Justice Reform and how they would help their influence could be effective when it seems theyve driven partisanship to the point you find partisanship to pass legislation and theyve created quite a bit of harm. Their ability to have the takeover in the house and the senate then puts them in the drivers seadrivers seat to thet they can do things like have bipartisan movement for criminal Justice Reform so they would see this as something thats enabled them to reach out to others. They see themselves as a force for good and its not the view everybody has to share. Of all the companies youve investigated have you ever run across one that wasnt a force for good . As someone thats good in a lot of stories about people in power and many in washington, its rare that you get people to acknowledge that they are doing something wrong. For the most part people have a tendency to justify what they are doing. They dont pull the wool over their eyes they say this is good for everybody. So its not unusual to have this kind of mindset. But it is irritating. One last question. Is that im an undergraduate in the school of Public Affairs. My question is we have reached the point now we see this influx of money as a problem. Is there any way to solve the problem . It wasnt very long ago there was a president ial election with no private money. Ronald reagan and jimmy carter both accepted public funding and started taking the public funding. Its been solved in the past and its not that long ago. Its a pendulum swing and a problem that money obviously keeps trying to push its way back into the system because theres so many private influences that wants to capture the government. We now have two brothers and likeminded folks giving 889 million to control and influence the current election. If you adjust for inflation, you will notice it is still astonishing higher than it was. It is way beyond watergate if you adjust. The the watergate was considered a scandal. So the mystery is why is this not considered a bigger scandal. I would argue though that parlay what is going on right now the selection is that the public is seen it as a scandal in is disgusted. That actually explain some of the popularity of both Bernie Sanders and i think donald trump. I think there is a kind of public reaction against the idea that the candidates are owned and bought by the tribe private interest with huge money. Both sanders and trump in his own way have denounced the corruption of money in politics. I think it shows you that the public is listening and they care about it a lot. On that note, we are stop and think for just because i think several people want to purchase your book and therell be long lines and no telling. It is cheap in comparison with buying an election. Yes. Thank you very much. And congratulations. [applause]. [inaudible] [inaudible] [inaudible] throughout this month we are showing book tv programs during the weekend in prime time. In case youre not familiar with their weekend features, but deviancy spent to take a Public Affairs programming and focuses on the latest Nonfiction Book releases through author interviews and book discussions. Her signature programs are in depth, alive threehour look at one others look with questions from viewers from phone, email and social media. It airs the first sunday of every month at noon eastern. 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I have gotten into time travel right now so im reading some time travel sciencefiction and maybe do some classic Science Fiction, defense on how much time i get to read. General is on the airplane. Have you i spent a reader . Spee2 i vice better reader. Sciencefiction has always been my favorite, followed by the political thriller genre. Does it help you when you work your congress . It helps me on why. It is a lie there reading to be done here but it is all bills and reports. Nonfiction. For fun i am breaking out a novel. Its always hard to find time to read but im dealing with a couple of books about the economy and why certain classes are not advancing. One is the the redistribution recession by casey mulligan, university of chicago professor who delves into the incentives that so Many Americans have today not to work or not to work too hard. The other one is the scandal of money by george gilder. I think a think a lot of your listeners may remember him from years ago. It also deals with the degree to which the Federal Reserve is making the wealthier People Better off but the policies over the last six years and in particular have have kind of hurt the average guy. Thats why we have the stock market but the average guys not making that much money. We have to come back to a economy in which the average guy income is going up everywhere. Books like that, do they help you with your work your . Yeah they do help me with my work. They give me more confidence in my arguments. More confidence in dismantling the welfare state. Eyes like to read books that are sent for countries when traveling. I just came back to the house trip from kenya and tunisia. I ran in tunisia to the tremor of forgery which is a psychological thriller and for kenya i read out of africa again which is an old favorite. I knew and called the bolter which is a story of a london lady of high society. They went to live a scandalous life in kenya after world war one. Book tv wants to know what you are reading the summer. Tweet us your answer at book tv or posted on her facebook page, facebook. Com book tv. s, author larry looks at the political career of Bobby Kennedy. He spoke at the free library of philadelphia last month and is introduced by former philadelphia mayor bill greene. Tonight mary green will join in conversation with a noted author and reporter, larry has been full of activity the last several days. Bill greene became a congressman in 1964 succeeding his father, william j green. His father was instrumental in the election of president john f. Kennedy. Bill greene served as a congressman until 1976 during six during which time he took on the oil companies, help to defeat the Oil Depletion allowance. He became mayor, the 94th mayor in philadelphia in 1980. Im pleased. Im pleased to say i was in his administration. During his term he took on a lot of special interests and actually implemented the first deadly force policy in the united states. He also said a lot of interesting things which i will not repeat here. About santa claus does not live here anymore and city council is the worst legislative body in the free world. We always had a debate to and i said he should not have limited it to the free world, and i might also add that his son, william j green, youll see a pattern in the names here, he was a city councilman during his time with the city council to help fight back the wholesale of the free library. Without further do, it is my privilege to welcome bill greene. [applause]. Thank you very much for that introduction. Phil and i am are very good friends. He was had a a policy and planning while i was mayor. He is done more for the city then you might imagine. He was a a managing director in the schools, the park, he headed all of those institutions and more. He was a Pulitzer Prizewinning reporter for the philadelphia inquirer. [applause]. Phil, thanks again. Im. Im pleased to be part of this presentation. As you probably find out tonight some of the most memorable days in happiest days of my life with the times i spent with Robert Kennedy. Let me begin by offering praise for larry and his book. Bobby kennedy, the making of liberal icon. What larry offers us in the book is a result of Extensive Research including previously on published reports and newly released materials from the kennedy library. And the access to people that other authors did not have, most notably larry made his career at the boston globe is a world winning reporter. A New York Times best selling author including the book satchel which is a biography of baseball legend, satchel paige. His many books on such very topic says oh railroad car workers, superman, and jewish renewal in different global areas it comes to life for readers not only because of his deep research but also his captivating style. He also roads the bostonbased Health Coverage fellowship which helps the media do a better job of reporting on health issues. Bobby kennedy, the making of a liberal icon is not a valentine. His strength, compassion, encourage shine through any perceived shortcomings with each trait chronicled in what i would say is a largely admiring portrait. The book has drawn praise from far and wide. From former sacred terry secretary of state, henry kissinger. The New York Times book review praises in this fashion. We are in larrys a debt for bringing back the life of young president ial candidate who, for a brief moment, almost a halfcentury ago instilled hope in the future and angry, fearful americans. What we will never know with certainty, not from 1000 books is what might have been. Nobody can say. No next sin, no watergate, less crime and vietnam, nobody nobody knows. But i do know this, from the crushing pain that followed his brothers death he emerged a wiser and even more compassionate man. As president he would admit his mistakes. For would be the very last resort. We would talk talk to our adversaries and listen to them. Nuclear weapons would be a major, urgent urgent focus. He would be welcomed around the world. He would fight the corrupt and challenge the greedy and uncomfortable. Most most of all, he would remember the forgotten. Those stuck in urban ghettos, mostly black. Those in rule hollows across the land, mostly white. And those with our crops, mostly hispanic. They would see it in his face, that is what might have been. Robert kennedy said, we can do better. He was right. Never have those words, we can do better bring so true as they are this night. Larry, you are are a great writer, you have written a great book and i am pleased to introduce you to my fellow philadelphians. [applause]. What i would like to do and try to introduce Bobby Kennedy to come and i still a lot of people, how many people in this room have lived through Bobby Kennedys campaign and 68 or it, everybody, so im gonna call you all appear to tell your story in a minute. Minute. What i would like to do is take you through three moments in Bobby Kennedys life but i think were were really indicative of how he changed and who he was at three critical times. The first one starts out in 1957. Bobby kennedys friend friend and first boss, senator joe mccarthy from wisconsin had died and was being buried in a town called applet appling ten, wisconsin. This was the red taping senator who basically saw a communist behind just about every pillar in the state department. It shows up in the airport in green bay, wisconsin, the day of the funeral this enormous plane comes in from washington. Off that plane steps 19 u. S. Senators, mostly republicans, mostly conservatives. Seven congressman and a bunch of other dignitaries. All of them do what dignitaries always do when they get off the plane, they get into their limousines and they are whisked away, away, and this place to appling ten wisconsin and a funeral. The airport its very quiet. There is an especially clear notion that nobodys going to get off the plane one less person does and it was a thin aide named Robert F Kennedy so he bumped a ride for a reporter he finds there who is covering of funeral for the wisconsin newspaper. At the funeral in the church Bobby Kennedy watches from in the choir loft, at the Graveside Service all the dignitaries are over here, Bobby Kennedy is quietly over here. What he managed to do after the service was, in a way that you can never get away with doing today, but anybody could ask a reporter and generally be obliged back then, he got got all the reporters there covering the funeral to leave out of their story that there is a young guy, Bobby Kennedy was there. Because theyre obliging political reporters there because he was a kennedy he generally got his way. What that story does, with that moment does at the funeral to me, it says two things about who Bobby Kennedy was back then. One thing it says is that he was the loyal friend of joe mccarthy who understood not just joe mccarthy was his dads friend, but the but the joe mccarthy gave him his first job. In an era when much of america thought that common is what its like huge threat so to Bobby Kennedy and he thought there is only one person in washington who is standing up against the communist. While jack kennedy said stay away from the funeral, Bobby Kennedy did what he often did from jacks advice and he ignored it and he went and he was going to stand up for his buddy joe mccarthy. That that was Bobby Kennedy the loyalist. You can say i dont know what you think of the joe mccarthy but there is something noble about him being there when there is a potential risk. The other half of Bobby Kennedy back then was a Bobby Kennedy who knew someday he wanted to his brother to be president and he someday he might run from office himself. He went to the funeral, he showed up for his buddy joe mccarthy, but he was going to make sure nobody was going to see him and anybody who saw him was not going to talk about it. The two sides of Bobby Kennedy, the loyal sigh, the real aside, real aside, that is who Bobby Kennedy was back then. That is i say who america was back then in the conservative era of eisenhower. So he starts out as the ultimate cold war hero just like his dad joe kennedy was. Ill take it from the year of 1957 to a moment that i think was, Bobby Kennedy had any single epiphany moment in his life, those in 1963 it in november. Bobby kennedy, on a november day in 1963 had come home from work at the Justice Department with a couple of aids. He had a swim at his pool at the state in hickory hill just outside of washington and mclean virginia. He he was some way back to have a great lunch and eventually go back to work. At that moment when he just started eating lunch at the phone rings and it is a hotline to the white house. And by the way, the more lines to the white house it then there was in the Vice President s residents residents back then which was a huge bone of contention to Lyndon Johnson. Anytime that phone rang it was generally not good news. It was especially not good news with a guy on the other end of the line, the way it was that day, was one of the people that Bobby Kennedy most hated in the world, nfpa director name J Edgar Hoover. J edgar hoover tells Bobby Kennedy in a voice that Bobby Kennedy would generally describe as a monotone that like he found another communist on the faculty, he said your brother has been shot. An hour later somebody calls back and says your brother is dead. That moment changed Bobby Kennedys life in a way that way that was different than just losing his brother. He had lost his brother, he had lost his best friend, and he had lost his sense of purpose. Bobby Kennedy Kennedy had been close enough to his brother from the time they went overseas when they are both in their 20s that the idea that jack kennedy was gone was a world changer for him. Yet something happen magically for the next month. The Kennedy Family was, as you imagine, totally distraught. Someone had to take charge. It was Bobby Kennedy for the next month, he gave out assignments to the family, you will take care of mom, you will break the news to dad who just had a stroke, you will do all of these things that need to get done. It was Bobby Kennedy who went to the white house and decided whether or not it would be an open casket. Was was Bobby Kennedy who held the hand of Jackie Kennedy and john john, and caroline when they were devastated they had lost their father, and husband. It was a a Bobby Kennedy helped the country who is going through a kind of morning that for the young president was deeper and more profound than they had ever had happened. It was Bobby Kennedy who is the nations mortar and chief for the next month. That was quite an extraordinary thing given how devastated he was. But at a magical moment, exactly one month out from the death of jacket kennedy with the family started pulling it back together and they went back to work, into their lives, and when the country had ended there. A morning ended there. Of morning and starting to pull together, Bobby Kennedy lost it. He went for the next seven months is something that we would describe as a clinical depression. L phil remembers 50 years later like it had happened a moment to go. He basically would go out in the middle of the night and drive around in his car not knowing where he was going. He he would go to work and cannot sustain any attention in the meetings of the Justice Department. He had essentially lost his sense of what he was doing in the world. He debated about whether he should become a College Professor. I am convinced he wouldve made a miserable College Professor and never see her sleep thought about it. Everything was on the table. He debated whether he should take his 10 milliondollar inheritance and gotten travel around the world with his wife and kids. He debated about a lot of things and what he ended up doing was running for senator from new york and it wasnt until the middle of that campaign that he really started coming out of the depression. It was at a moment when he realized he could actually lose an election which wouldve been the first for a kennedy. He started having a sense of two things. One is, he really did have something still to contribute. The other as critically, was that people responded to him. People were turning out in droves to all of his rallies, not because he was Jack Kennedys surviving brother, but because he was a Bobby Kennedy and he had something to offer. During that time, he came out of it the way bill suggested. He came out of it as a different person. He was, at jackie suggestion reading greek tragedies. This was a guy who for entertainment generally went out and played a bloodied nose kind of touch football game. That is what he considered his distraction. He was now closeted himself in his room and reading greek tragedies and reading about the kind of as he has a kennedy had while thinking the world was theirs to do with what they wanted. Suddenly it all crashed around him. He came back in the world with a kind of empathy that he never had before. We are all, i suspect if i if i interviewed everyone in this audience, we are all balance between tough and tender. But the tile on Bobby Kennedy and in his joe mccarthy days had started out leaning to the test site, it suddenly started understanding and being empathetic to the underdog in a way he never done before. So he, 1963 came out of the miserable experience with a new way of looking at the world. It was a good thing because all of the kennedy power that will be in the presence brother had disappeared and he had to find a new role for himself. He start out in 1967 with a tough guy, cold war Bobby Kennedy, 1963 we see him going through a we see him going through a traumatic experience that changed him. Where i want to take you for our third story is to who Bobby Kennedy was when he ran for president in 1968. That is the that is the story that i think has particular residence today as we look around to try to get excited about the candidates running for president today. I want to take you to one night and that campaign. Do you remember mayor, the first contested primary wasnt 68 when bobby was running . I think it was indiana. Very good. He had not been coached. A great memory. Bobby kennedy you may remember came in after. When i ask you tonight just say indiana. [laughter] possibly if you have picked a single state in america where massachusetts politician would not want to have his first contested primary it wouldve been indiana. Bobby kennedy had no idea on anything to do with farms, he had no idea anything to do with what was going on in the midwest. He was a massachusetts born and bred guy. A senator from new york. This york. This is New Territory for him. He was about to come out one night in the indiana primary just before the indiana primary he was about to fly into indianapolis and go to a very important rally in the middle of the city. That was the night that when he flew in and landed in indianapolis he was told that Martin Luther king had been shot and killed. The mayor of indianapolis was a guy named Richard Lugar who big came up our senator. He had one piece of advice for Bobby Kennedy which is you will not go when to the africanamerican ghetto tonight hold a rally that was scheduled. You will go there partly because im worried about whether or not youre going to come out alive and partly because i think youre going to create a ride just by being there. Bobby kennedy did what he did with joe, with jeff kennedys advice in 1957 when jack kennedy told him not to go to the funeral. He said thank you, thats he said thank you, thats great advice. He proceeded to go to the rally all along. He ends up having a Police Escort peel off just before he gets to the ghetto and as he stands up on the back of a bed truck for the next five minutes he gives one of the great speeches, maybe the greatest speech of his life in one of the great speeches in the history of american political oratory. He was telling the audience that night, several hundred people he was telling 90 of them for the first time that their slain leader has been killed. That Martin Luther king is gone. You can hear if you can listen on youtube to a speech from that night, you can hear gas from the audience. People are devastated. But he proceeds for the first time in his life to talk about what it was like to lose his own brother. And the anger that he had felt when jack kennedy have been killed. He said, our temp tatian is to want to strike out with Something Like that happens. What we have to do is the opposite. We have to come together as people in this audience and as a country at this moment of trauma. What happened that night in indianapolis was extraordinary. In a country that night of Martin Luther kings death when there was race riots and more than 100 cities. Part of the city was burned down that night. Theres one city in america that had a sizable africanamerican population that stay peaceful that night. In that setting was indiana. So indianapolis stay peaceful than i because Bobby Kennedy had found the Pitch Perfect tone to go into the ghetto and it was a tone that was predicted with the civil rights age had given up on Bobby Kennedy get it giving up what was going on with civil rights movement. Theres one person with faith in him and said we have to stick with this guy because someday and that person was a guy who was killed that day, Martin Luther king. He was proven right that night when Bobby Kennedy in indianapolis gave exactly the speech that i think Hillary Clinton and that donald trump and brock obama had fought over in the last month. They look for the right healing tone after dallas, after, after baton rouge, after st. Paul, and none of them, and they gave long winded oratorys, none of them could tone that Bobby Kennedy manage that night in indianapolis. From that moment to the end of the campaign i can say without any hyperbole that Bobby Kennedy was easily the most popular white man in black america. In ghettos across the country when Bobby Kennedy campaign for the next several months it was a very short sign that said it all. That sign read, white upon white. Theres not many white politicians that wouldve said that in 1968. So what i want to do is take you to who Bobby Kennedy was and why we should still care about him at halfcentury after his death. I think many of us have spent the last 50 years looking for somebody that was able to do it Bobby Kennedy seemed on the verge of doing that in 1968. At a moment when a moment when the country was equally driven over racial issues, equally stressed by what was going on overseas, in that in that case a war in vietnam. Bobby kennedy seemed on the cusp of pulling together the kind of coalition that we had never seen in this country. It was a coalition of the bluecollar whites who supported him in his early days as A Joe Mccarthy cold warrior. It was a coalition of the blacks who listen to him and stay peaceful that night in indianapolis. It was a coalition of a a group that back then no politician ever spoke to who were hispanics. Bobby kennedy was the only one in california, the only politician in america who went to california and stood during all the hunger strikes. He reached out to hispanics in a way that they rewarded him with almost 100 of their vote in the california primary. He was bringing together the groups that we dream about doing today. That people support donald trump and the people that support Hillary Clinton. He seemed on the verge of becoming precisely the top liberal or if you prefer the tender conservative that i think were still searching for in america. Before i go on it before we open for questions, one of the most tender moments i heard anybody described about who Bobby Kennedy was in the later years was a guy named bill greene who talked about what happened after his dad died. My father died one month after president kennedy. Can you hear me . I thought you couldnt before. Would you mind reintroducing me . [laughter] i think he said indiana. [laughter] after my father died, ill tell you a couple of stories about that. When president kennedy died my father did not want to go to washington because he did not want to interfere with the kennedys. He did not want to intrude on a moment a sour sorrow. And my mother said to him, bill you should go down there. He went down and he went to the white house and he came home and he told me the story a been on the first floor of the white house walking up to the second floor. And bobby came walking down from the second floor to the first, they took took one look at each other, they both cried. Bobby kennedy really was extremely grateful to my father. I will have that experience because when my dad died one month later, Robert Kennedy, on Christmas Eve left his then i think eight children in virginia , while he came to philadelphia on december 24 for my fathers funeral. He brought with him a letter from Jackie Kennedy which he had basically gotten from her the day before. And it was as beautiful letter as you ever want to see. He was, first of all he came to the funeral and he heard while he was here that i about a week later i got a call and he says to me, i understand you want to run for your father see. And i said thats correct. And he said well i sent odonnell up there. He has looked at that situation and i know that they are and a lot of the organizations are father built our lined up against you. But if they take you on, i went you to understand that we will be inches i thought, i said to him, can i ask you a ask you a couple questions and he said yes. I said, explicitly what does we will be in maine . And he said to me, if they take you on, kennedys will crawl all over your district. This this was one month after the president s death. In fact, several months later Bobby Kennedy came to 15th and chestnut and there were 30, 40,000 people going from 19th street to 13th street. It was just a moxie. But he was in that period where he would say of the things, i said who can i tell and he said tell them all. Tell them all. What is really saying was, you can tell them the attorney general to. Because were not going to lose this. Now he did not say that but bobby would not be in favor of doing anything but making sure i want in every way he could. The last question he asked me was do you need money. And he said no the friends and my father it back this contest. And he said well, you dont have enough you write the check and will sign it. I will will like you to come see me in washington. And i went to washington and i walked into his office and i almost could control myself. I had never in all my life and i had not until this minute seen the face that said. He was absolutely crushed, heartbroken, but not so heartbroken that he cannot function and be at my mothers funeral. Thats a thats a heartbroken that he cannot say, and i said to him i cannot tell you what this means to me. A lot of the people my father helped in philadelphia like mayor tate and others are against me. And you with all that is going on in your life are for me, and he put his head down and he just said to me dont you know it your father did for my mother. Dont you know what your father differ my brother. What he really did was not carry philadelphia by 331,000 votes when people credited my father for producing that victory, my father would laugh at home. He would say, the the people win elections, politicians win primaries. But the real fault was the kennedys of the 1960s and the democratic convention. And im talking about john kennedy not Robert Kennedy. But you you cant talk about one without the other. They were like that, the line that you just use, that was the lime a proper kennedys for the rest of his life. It was the highest compliment he could take to anybody what you do for john because they were like that. There are like that for the point where at the kennedy described the fact that there is a cliche that people are so close that they finish each others sentences. What Ethel Kennedy said about bobbys relation to jack is that there are so close they do need to talk. They could just pick up one anothers expressions and that is why the closest thing its not a cliche in politics, people talk about copresident s and before people elected when theyre on the ticket together and they say this is going to be the closest working relationship weve ever had between the president and Vice President. The truth is no president their white mind ever gives up president or Vice President or anybody else. But the closest thing that america has ever had to copresident s he was when Bobby Kennedy with Jack Kennedys attorney general because he was not just as attorney general, he was his cia director, he consulted Bobby Kennedy more often in the secretary of state in foreign affairs, he was the guy that jack kennedy knew he could go to whether it was the cuban missile crisis, he could go to a bobby would have his back. He was looking out towards best for the country but also what was best politically project kennedy and that was an extraordinary relationship. And thats why he would hang back. Because he knew if he was seen there he had to be there because he was loyal. But he knew that was published in saying that it would hurt jack. I dont think he was being like trying to have it both ways but he was always trying to help his brother. But he also wanted to be loyal to some of the other. He did and he wanted to, if there was a magical moment not not sure exactly when it happened and i was not yet in 1957, but there was a magical moment where bobby understood even while jack was a life that he had a political career himself. They used to himself. They used to joke that after jack had done it for eight years, bobby and you know that joe kennedy had initial app aspirations to be president himself. During world war ii, at the start of world war ii when he was u. S. Ambassador to Great Britain he had a opportune moment to not be a appeaser and he went public with it, never denied it and in the boston globe helped get him fired by fdr. The moment that joe kennedy knew it cannot be him it was going to be his son. He was going to be his sons in order of birth. It was going to be joe junior, until joe junior was killed in a courageous mission tried to take out some d2 bombing site in europe and the day that joe junior died, it was passed to jack and went jack tragically was killed it was clear as went to be bobby. On october 31, 1963, where it was the 30 first, i dont know which i was in the elevator with them with my father. I had not really had any opportunity ever to converse. Actually did once when he was running in 1960, i attended but he turned to my father and he said, what he going to do with the them billy . Everybody had a nickname. My father sent him a lie dont know mr. President what you suggest, and he said do it my father did when he ran for congress. And what was incredible about that is a month later i was running for congress. And they were both gone. Bobby called me to help. There is no way for me to explain to you how not just indebted, but how admiring im about the president of bobby. I think their loss, both of them and bobby just compounded with what happened here. I think it was so harmful to this country that it is hard to imagine. One of the things they did and one of the things i have always believed is that words count. And you mentioned what he did in indianapolis. What he did and south africa. Every time a man stands up for injustice or speaks out committee he sends forth. And to go to the berlin wall and have 1,000,000 people, my advice, my advice, my fathers advice the short period between president steph and my fathers death and my father went to new york on december 8 so were not talking november 4 to december 8. He had talked to bobby. And i think some of the big city Democratic Leaders in the north were perhaps a little concerned that johnson might not be the candidate that bobby would be. And i dont know that bobby ever expressed any interest in running for president at that point or gave it any serious thought. I know there was a discussion and joe elsa mustve either been there or heard about it because Lyndon Johnson asked governor lawrence of pennsylvania to check out something he thinks. So, you know. At that convention where Lyndon Johnson was nominated in 1964, johnson, lie think at that moment Bobby Kennedy as you say had no interest in doing that, johnson was so paranoid he apparently asked J Edgar Hoover to have agents check out what was going on in the kennedy camp and to the stationed at the convention a report back to him if anything, if they picked up anything where there is going to be kennedy movement. The truth was, the best speech at that convention was a speech at Bobby Kennedy delivery. It was, depending on who is counting, it counting, it was as long as 17 minutes of interruptions applied during Bobby Kennedys speech. It was a speech that lbj, and his paranoia that was a critical speech about him. It talked about son, and his loss of his brother jack and in truth, the end of that speech was the most rousing endorsement of lbj. Bobby kennedy was three things. He was a catholic, he, he was a joe kennedy and rose kennedy said sun and the third pillar he stood on was a democrat. He darn well was going to support and although he detested lbj he was going to support him and 64. To quickly do we have microphones out there. Two people have questions they would like to ask. Maybe we can get microphones. Do you want to pass this to someone . In 1964 mccarthy the source came out that Robert Kennedy was thinking of running for president. I wrote in the letter and i said to enter the campaign, stay out, youre going to divide the antiwar movement. Three weeks after he announced he sent me a letter and he said, as you see, i have entered the race or in my letter i said either one of them will go for the convention with enough votes and in the third or fourth that you believe there submitted and theyll be compromised. After he left i received a letter and he said as you can see i have entered the race. But i disagree with you he said. I am not defining the antiwar movement, im adding adding my voice to the antiwar movement. And i said to myself, he had signed the death warrant of the death of his brother. When he announced that he was going to run that was it. There is no way that the people were going to allow him to be president. So. I would like to make just a couple of, theres no way to get around the fact that its pretty clear that i love Robert Kennedy. It was a very awkward entry into that race. I would have preferred that he did it earlier. So after Jean Mccarthy beat lbj and New Hampshire [inaudible] so were talking about before he got into it, he gets into it and he looks like the ultimate the cutthroat politician who left you mccarthy go to the cot work in New Hampshire than Bobby Kennedy takes his mantle away four days later. Anna National Columnist road a telegram to take kennedy say that what you have just done in the hampshire shows that Saint Patrick didnt drive off snakes out of ireland. Those may be the most and handed entry ever. But the truth is when he go back and look at what happened, the evidence is clearcut. Ninetys after the New Hampshire primary Bobby Kennedy had decided to enter. He decided it was only fair that mccarthy had been inviting New Hampshire for a long time and its only fair to give mccarthy that clear shot before he came in. So when he was being a gentleman and doing the kind of thing that the Political Campaign manager wouldve asked him to do handed up hurting himself with the press and i took almost the entire campaign for reporters to come around and trust Bobby Kennedy. By the end of the campaign it offers a dramatic contest to whats going on today in 2016. Its the way that the press had the relationship of the candidate. Today as we all know donald trump short so by bashing other banishes the press from his event. Hillary clinton says spends too much time talking with reporters. The Bobby Kennedy start out with reporters like the ones were talking about being skeptical of him. By the end, something strange happened. It was one of the things that drew me into the Bobby Kennedy story from the beginning. The reporter started falling in love with him. My mentor in journalism, he won the Pulitzer Prize for his coverage in vietnam, he ended up writing a book that was a valentine to Bobby Kennedy. A guy who is covering the campaign for the Washington Post named richard was assigned by ben bradley to cover the campaign because he was very cynical. He really despise Bobby Kennedy. That was the perfect guy to cover. He would never be won over by him. By the end of the campaign richard made a plea to ben bradley, take me, take me off the campaign, i have fallen in love with the candidate. He was in a marine and its hard edges you can get. The reason i think the press fell in love with Bobby Kennedy was exactly what the press is looking for today and the candidate, as is the public. Is authentic, a Political Press in those days, like today has a better sifter of whos real and who doesnt seem real. They decided decided by the end that Bobby Kennedy was the one who had the courage to stand up in the senate and say my brother jack and i got into vietnam and we were wrong. That is not something im sure they had the courage to stand up when he was wrong as they were wrong. Its not something Many Political figures too. Bobby. Bobby kennedy, the way he shifted from the cold war he started out more to the hot water liberal he became in the end was often defined the political whims of the day to do that. Though something reporters love to see and it was something the public would like to see. Probably something mayor green and i would agree on, after his victory that night in california, the night he was killed at the Ambassador Hotel in california. After his victory he was scheduled the next morning to go to chicago, the son of the mayor of chicago, the sum son bill daley who was obamas chief of staff for a couple of years says that next day his dad was 70 chance that his dad was going to endorse Bobby Kennedy for president. What that did was theres no more powerful establishment politician in america event that the mayor of chicago, richard daley. I think of daily had endorsed we had guys in philadelphia who are ready to go all out for Bobby Kennedy. I think bobby Bobby Kennedy would not just become the democratic nominee, but no one in america who understood Richard Nixons vulnerabilities better than the guys who, eight years before had let his brother Successful Campaign against richard nixon. I think its not too much of a what if to say to Bobby Kennedy wouldve been a nominee, wouldve been the president , [inaudible] it is my understanding that J Edgar Hoover got permission from Bobby Kennedy to put microphones in a motel and take Martin Luther king and blackmail him. Is that correct . The first half of what you said is absolutely correct. J edgar hoover kept going back to Bobby Kennedy to wiretap Martin Luther king. The reason my he wanted to wiretap him is because there is a fear and a fear that hoover, i think without any convincing evidence, that they were leftists and communists in Martin Luther kings hierarchy. At the moment J Edgar Hoover survived through emmas attorneys general and president s because he always had