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Conventions. Millennialussion on women and their impact in the electoral politics. Actress and director Amber Tamblyn was among the speakers at the panel hosted by the atlantic and fashion website refinery29. This is 35 minutes. Hi, good afternoon. Hi, everybody. Welcome to the atlantic us cocktail caucus with refinery29. Thank all for being here. I hope youre having a good time this week, getting enough to treat and eat. Ner. D family emily lenz risingic is young women and the focus, Millennial Women. Perhaps of an older generation, refinery29 is a digital destination designed to help Millennial Women live, in their words, a stylish, creative, and inspired life. Millennials are a pretty big topic these days, as i think we can agree, and its no wonder they are currently the largest share of the current generation, surpassing baby boomers. Today, we are talking specifically about young women and the expectations they can have a pretty Significant Impact on this election. We have a great panel for you, willf course, we hope you tweet, facebook, instagram, snap chat, whatever it takes, and the theatlanticdnv. The executive director and founding staff member of a national nonprofit, which focuses on empowering young women with information. Pressley was first elected to the Boston City Council in 2009, becoming the first woman of color ever elected to the council. Joining us is actress amber templin, who starred in the sisterhood of the traveling pants movies and appeared on the hit Television Shows to an a half men and house after getting her start on General Hospital actress Amber Tamblyn. Guiding todays discussion, refinery29 plus executive editor forde,al news, kaelyn atlanticxec the Senior Editor alex wagner. Wagner as far as i know, the champagne is still flowing. For us t total is on stage, we can have chardonnay when were done. In the next hour or two, Hillary Clinton is going to be nominated as the first female to lead a major american political party. I think there could be no more relevant backdrop against which to discuss women in politics, specifically young women, so i want to start with one factoid from this election season that has stuck out glaringly to me among others, and that is the gulf among women in terms of who young women support and who older women have supported. Younger women in particular have overwhelmingly supported Bernie Sanders, and that has given rise to a whole conversation about why. So let me pose that question to you. Ever, maybe i can start with you. What was that all about . Tamblyn is this panel three and a half hours . Ms. Wagner its actually seven. Tamblyn theres so many aspects to this, and it has to roxane feminism or as gay would call it, that feminism. Women who hate their identity, people who believe they deserve more, people who believe they deserve less. There is such a conflicting experience with the female experience, and i think so much of it has to do with, you know, a lot of the older generations are seeing something and are probably more used to having hillary around and have seen her time,longer period of have seen her successes, her mistakes, all of it, so they have made a longerterm judgment towards her that i think younger women have not really experienced yet. Has a lot to do with the divide between the two and both sides are, as we have seen, extremely passionate about what they believe in and he each side sees both what they hate, and what they love, what they urine, what they hunger for. Yearn, what they hunger for. Wagner theres a debate about what feminism means. Do you think it is different for older women and younger women . I think it is different for every woman. We continue to talk about any constituencies or groups as a monolith and define them by one issue. If you just look at millennials as a continuum of millennial experience and how diverse that is and what a wide bandwidth that is, yes, there are millennials that are very concerned about college being affordable, but in the same bandwidth, there are for loanls looking forgiveness who have already gone to college. There is an incredible complexity and diversity that needs to be unpacked, and we have got to do a better job at challenging elected officials and media to not talk about any to make a monolith and sure that the diversity of our stories and narratives are being told. I want to know what is happening women,ack millennial. Rans Millennial Women i want to know the totality of that experience. We are missing that diversity of andy and narrative, campaigns will engage us as a monolith and around one issue. Mishory i think to that point, about 30 of millennials are young parents. When we are talking about the wide range of issues facing young people, we did talk about issues facing students, and student debt is a huge issue, do not get me wrong. It is incredibly important for young women for a variety of reasons that i can get into, but also issues around family economic security, young women starting to think about having a family or already have those are millennials. Those are young folks now. If i could add one more thing when we talk about , africanl young women american, asian, latina Millennial Women supported hillary more because their issues are different, and i think that goes to the point about the diversity and the tendency to speak about millennials not only as a monolith but ignore the fact that they are the most diverse community. And im from generation x. I think i am the oldest person of here. That may or may not be true. I look older than you. The experience, and it goes to the conversation about identity and community for a lot of these young women, college is not even on the table because they are struggling to get to through the School Systems they existed in where college did not become an opportunity. In the no resonance conversation about college debt. I think it is always important for us to not only unpacked but to be very thoughtful about the fact that the medial millennials as upwardly mobile is not representative of a vast population, and because of that, we have to have a much more complex conversation about not only feminism because i think that is part of it, but how they live that in their lives and political choices. Ms. Forde the bureau of labor statistics shows the average millennial is living with a partner and does not have a bachelors degree. Candidatesow can like Hillary Clinton speak to that vast and interesting experience that millennials have rather than seeing them as that monolithic group . What do they need to do . Be abrams i think it would by starting to have conversations about where people where we would like them to be. I am from the south and we actually are. We exist. And we vote for hillary this year. Fight for 15 is a wonderful soundbite, but it is difficult in right to work states where we can barely get them to above 5. 25, which is georges actual minimum wage 5. 15. There has to be a conversation about the exact issues facing them. Someone like ayanna who has the ability to talk in boston about the issues endemic to the boston community. Elected officials have to speak, basically take hillarys message and in still it to the communities we can reach. Our responsibility as elected officials is to know those issues and be able to create a resident conversation. Ms. Mishory young women role in college at higher rates but might be facing higher debt burdens to pay back their loans when they are not earning as much and what we found in a lot of our research is the folks that are struggling the most with didnt debt are folks who actually did not complete that bachelors agree. When we talk about issues, if you really nuanced, did not complete, getting back on track, so it is again thinking about the nuance of what people are facing. Ms. Pressley i would also add that while there is this effort to engage this constituency, it does have to do with this being a transactional relationship. If there was not the ceiling or haveata supporting i been in government for 23 years. Young professionals this was not a constituency that we worked to engage, by which i mean the establishment, so to speak, because it was a flux demographic. It was incredibly unpredictable. Engage with canvassing and on social media and on so many different platforms, but it was an unreliable case the truancy. Very inconsistent in terms of. Urning out at the polls ultimately, if you want to know how we ensure the voices of all millennials are being heard and that campaigns and candidates are doing their Due Diligence and addressing people in their totality and not reducing them gs andicatures and hashta one issue, we need millennials at every level to engage and vote. People are quick to refer to the generation of discontent, and i dont know that that is necessarily a bad link. Sometimes it is that discontent, t being uncomfortable its not apathy. They are so informed they are disenchanted. Ms. Wagner i know exactly what youre talking about in terms of spending capital on young people. Do you think this election has changed that perception . Especially with Bernie Sanders anyway he has been able to thevate young voters and narrative that they will come to a protest, but on november 8, they will probably not show up for you has that changed with this last campaign . i just came from the Youth Council caucus you Council Caucus sorry, a gathering of young people at the convention center, and what struck me was and i am a member of the much vilified media. I think we have gotten a significant part of it wrong when we talk about young people. Here was a gathering of young people. Many were burning senders supporters. They had taken to the streets. They had been part of the call and response of Bernie Sanders at large rallies, but they also understood that Hillary Clinton was the nominee and in order to sort of move the ball forward on a host of issues, they would not only have to vote for her but ultimately become some part of that institution that they. Nderstand so much of the youthful indignation is founded on outsider status. Is that changing . Can we get more young people to actually be in office and not just vote for people in office . Mblyn oh, yeah. I think what everyone has said on this panel so far is right on. Na speakswhat ayan about. A great example is i will bring this up quickly, the idea of white feminism and the idea of white women taking care of imr white women my age 33 in my community and not really looking at what other women in my community that are well and alled as supporting each other and rising to the occasion together. Because i call myself a minority as a woman, it does not mean i am actually seeing the larger issues, the bigger ofues, and i think so much that being disenfranchised or angry and why so many of my friends my age of color were for of ae sanders was because lot of that feeling, feeling like originally hillary had left. Hem out they were feeling that anger and frustration, which spoke to, again, a larger level of, like, inclusion and talking about what everyone needs. I think there is a real sense of women want a say, Millennials Want a say, but they are rounding up and all women are for women and we are supporting each other and that is what citizen is, but sometimes the actions do not reflect that. I have seen a lot of change in that regard, and because i am even sitting here talking about it right now, that is so important. That is such a big, important step to the next place that allows us all to go. Even though we come from different backgrounds as women, we can all get behind the same candidate or the same idea because now we are all being representative. We are actually all being cared for and what you need as the ritual types of women within the community of womanhood. Yes, and im glad you are using the word community. I have great hope for our future because what i see in millennials is the recognition of intersection alley. If you look at movements like black lives matter or the green movement, activism around Climate Change and those issues when you are in these meeting spaces, they are incredibly diverse, so i am very encouraged that we are acknowledging our destinies are tied. I think ultimately what needs to happen is we have to support transitionings in from activism into policy so that we can see real systemic and sustainable change. Mishory when young people are registered to vote, they actually turn out at a similar rate as older voters, so i think there is a lot of be done around the structures of voting so people can engage in a traditional way. I think that will impact that engagement as well. Can i ask you a sort of engagement question . Im assuming that if your subset of the electorate votes more often and you are more of a participant in the democracy, you are more likely to actually run for office. Is that accurate . Ms. Mishory i dont know that. I do think if young people are voting and more engaged, their elected officials will pay more attention. We do a lot of work with how young people are engaging, showing up at their congressmans district office, talking about the issues they are facing. We actually go through advocate training. The other people we work with our thrilled. They want to be engaged. They want to be showing up. No one has ever walked us through a process of how to do that. That is something we worked a lot on and i think there needs to be more work done on that. Ms. Tamblyn i remember i worked the polls not like that. Not like that. Took you a minute, alex. 17, i did the sign in, which was all i could do. I could not vote yet, but im a member sitting there, marking off peoples names in los angeles at the precinct where i was working and thinking that this seems so terrifying. How does someone sign up for this . There is so much information and i think that is a real fear as well, the sense of how you even begin. There is so much language about voter disenfranchisement and all of the scary things that come with that, like i will not be able to vote like going to walk in and someone will be like, did you know there is a warrant for your arrest . Abrams if theres that much anxiety around voting, how about deciding to run . Talk about the motives and the catalyst around that. Ms. Pressley i grew up in a family that was very politically i grewd ms. Abrams up in a family that was very politically motivated. We were working poor, and i grew for my system that pay parents to go to college and also kept them from being able to achieve things that they should have been able to be achieving. My parents were very involved in the community. Found them deeply inefficient. Inefficient. For me, the conversation was how you maximize this effort, and i actually started out wanting to be a bureaucrat, not to be in politics. I was a lawyer for politicians. The more i did that job, the more i realized you needed someone who actually worked for government to run for office. The nexus of politics and policy required that you know how policy works. Too often, people who are in successive offices, who unlike has neverke ayanna had to do the work, or in my case, understanding that is not the end of the story but the beginning. But the idea you have to put and have experience to get to the highest office in the land that is not particularly invoked in some crowds right now. I let a program that train young people of color to do campaigns, to do finance, to do communication, to be campaign directors. Part of it is reaching out to millennials and showing how to demystify the system so they can understand it. If you can do this job, you can do that job. To ambers point, we did the research for Voter Registration that i was part of an found that it is not apathy. The biggest reason for people not to vote is fear of the process. It is making sure that young people understand the process are engaged in every facet so they can demystify it for their colleagues. That also helps encourage their families to vote. The best predictor of a voter is if their parents vote. Pressley i was going to say, speaking of intersection analogy, one of the other things i find encouraging, without in one widelennials swath is i do see more of that inequality. City visiting schools often, and i will always anda student what they do, i say i help people and if anyone wants to guess, you people are in boston, the girls hands do not go up and all the boys hence shoot up and they fivesay like 2 billion, thousand. Boys are not afraid to be wrong. If you need any further confirmation of that, look at donald trump. He really does not care, right . Boys are not afraid to be wrong. Girls and women do not want to be wrong, and that is a barrier to them running for office. An entitlement does not have to be a bad word. We have negatively connotative it does not have to be a bad word. Girls and women do not operate with that same sense of entitlement, so we will see an 18yearold young man that will challenge and entrenched incumbent and a 28yearold, 32yearold woman who has raised the dead children, who served on multiple boards, who has been in service of a Community Women run on a cause and a mission, and i do not want to cast aspersions, but men usually run on resume. I am encouraged that within millennials, i do see that greater equality. They see young women do not suffer from the same level of intimidation. They feel an entitlement to the same opportunities. Ms. Forde what are the tools we need to give young women . Well, we have a big group. What do we need to give them in terms of building campaigns and making that groundwork . Talk about up and down the ballot, too. Everybody wants to be the quarterback on the super bowl day, but it is really important to look at local offices also and have women of and down that spectrum. First and foremost, it is not rocket science. You have seen politicians. My younger sister came to visit somed said it was like people want to wrassle. Foremost, demystifying the complexity of the job. Your job is to read, ask questions, make decisions. We do that every day. The second point, though, is money. Women are afraid to ask people to give us money. You dont get to keep it, so do not be afraid. If you do keep it, you should be afraid because you will be serving five to 10. That means that women have to understand, especially Millennial Women, it is not that expensive. It is not that hard. One of two things will happen they will say yes or no. They say yes, you have money for your campaign. They say no, you go to the next person. The third thing is it is the mission. I do not run for office because there is something i am going to gain that i know is an absolute. Its because i know as the person that i am i want to speak for the people who are like me who have experience is like me. We have to be willing to get past the notion that every office you run for or every time you think about running for office that you have to be running for president. If you run for the school board, for city council, state legislator, the Soil Conservation district board, every one of those are open and most people never run. If you are afraid of running and losing, run for one of the offices nobody ever runs for. You are ain and then legend in your own mind and your own time. Also, we have to lift as we climb and be intentional about mentoring. Run, they decide to are often considered underdogs and not viable. Behind a bench of women the women. There is just as much impact and reward to be found in developing communication strategy and and a winning field plan and in raising money, so we have to build that bench, too. The final thing i would say for women who do aspire to run for office is you have to run before. Ou run please do not contrive a platform after you have decided to run. Mean like trump . Exactly. Ley this is not like instant grits. You will resonate with no one. Your platforms and ultimately be an extension of your values, and you should be running to actualize those values. I want to announce to everyone today that i will be running for Soil Conservation chair [laughter] you for your support, everyone. We have a couple of minutes for quick questions in the audience. If you have one, please raise your hand. We have microphones circulating. Maybe give us your name and where you are from. Right over here. Hi. Thank you again for assembling this panel. Withdible discussion incredible people. I am hearing a lot of conversation about mixed generationally, and i thought that ayanna made a great point about Millennial Women not being intimidated or feeling more empowered. As a millennial woman myself, i think that might be true, and i wonder if that might be related to the dissonance with president ial candidate clinton, not having that Historical Perspective or that intimidation, if they feel less of a connection or if you think there is older voters may feel . Is this generation different from other generations. Maybe we can speak a little more broadly around the generational differences. To your point, it is hard to speak in broad strokes. But we youre talking about those that our digital natives. And critically, the came of age during the great recession. I dont think that can be emphasized enough. Who saw their parents lose their home and saw the cost of college skyrocket. That all of those things are playing into the political consciousness of young people generally, and certainly young woman. That is playing a lot into how young people view the election. Is there a feeling among some older women voters the young women did not know that struggle, or how big it is to overcome . I will give you an example in New Hampshire, organizing for hillary. In New Hampshire they are very fortunate. They have a woman governor and congresswoman and state senator. It is so attainable. It was sort of a disconnect with the Glass Ceiling really is. Because all around them they see that representation. You can lose sight of, it becomes more amorphous. There are not those lines of demarcation. I did my First Campaign when i was 10. Feltlitical heroes, i powered by their example. Jordan, and richards, these are people that were incredible inspiration. I spoke to some young woman about the impact anita hill had on me. They had never heard of her. These are Millennial Women. The history shapes you in different ways. One more question. Gentlemen over here. Mic. Econd will get you a just introduce yourself. I am matthew from d. C. Hi, matthew from d. C. I was wondering what people on the panel think about the role of trans women and reproductive rights. In light of these things were talking about, lover wants to take it up there. Ultimately all advocacy begins with the elevated consciousness. And because of movements like black lives matter where youve seen trans women at the forefront of that. Because of the public accommodation legislation that were happening at a policy level our consciousness is elevated so i do believe we will be better informed and better educated. Not a single issue to go far beyond public accommodation and the concerns of the Africanamerican Community go far beyond police brutality. You got me on that one. The only thing i would say i wouldnt know any statistics on that. That goes again with the same notion of community and fighting for everyone together. Me, to talk about reproductive rights i have to not just talk about my people. I have to talk about everybody. That is a huge thing. That is a major part of the discussion and the fact that i dont know should tell you a lot. Rights affects men and women. It usually takes two things. At least that is what i hear. Understand the choice of owning your reproductive rights. You, by necessity, included every person regardless of background and equipment. On that note, thank you matthew from d. C. We will have to wrap it up. Thank you for your time and your cheers and your questions. [applause] same event, there was a discussion on the criminal Justice System. Philadelphia mayor was among several speaker to talk about reducing incarceration and recidivism. This is an hour and 10 minutes. Good afternoon. Im the president of the atlantic. Welcome and thank you all very much for being here today. We are gathered to talk about ideas for reforming our criminal Justice System. The topic today, rethinking crime and punishment as part of tics next america series which looks at the united , states through the lens of in the graphic change. Over the next hour or so we will have three many panels on the subject. It wont begin i would like to thank the Macarthur Foundation, safety and justice challenge for making this afternoon possible. A quick housekeeping note. We are on twitter at hashtag theatlanticdnc. Let me start with a few facts. Among industrialized nations that United States has the highest incarceration rate. Our jails and prisons were built more than 2 million inmates. Experts link this not to increase in crime but to harsher laws and longer sentences. And, of course, Racial Disparities played a role. Africanamericans are jailed at a rate almost four times that of whites. This is the start across the story across the nation and in pennsylvania. In response to these realities here in philadelphia with a grant from theacarthur foundation, the city is investing in a variety of strategies to reduce average jail population. Will we will what change could look like right now. Please welcome first that made a philadelphia mayor jim kenney. [applause] mayor kenney served for 23 years on the city council you for winning election as mayor last year. Philadelphia magazine has called him mr. Criminal Justice Reform and he has supported decriminalizing marijuana, eliminating cash bail for lowlevel defendants, ending stop and frisk, and a moratorium on new jail construction. [applause] also, welcome the Pennsylvania Department of corrections and a leading National Voice on these issues. [applause] since taking office in 2010, he has focused on reducing reliance on incarceration while at the same time improving outcomes for offenders. Join him in conversation is my colleague and friend ron brownstein, Senior Editor at the atlantic. [applause] i am going to steal the mayors water. I do want to carry it, but it want to steal it. Thank you for joining us. We are excited to have this conversation which is part of our next America Project which explores how growing diversity is changing the national agenda. I hope you will visit us on the atlantic website where we provide coverage of these issues. Were here to talk with criminal Justice Reform. The predicate is Public Safety. I want to start by asking you to react to the portrait we heard at the Republican Convention last week. On the state of Public Safety. You dont want me to. [laughter] is philadelphia getting safer or more dangerous as the argument went in cleveland . First of all, what happened in cleveland was an abomination. Ive never seen such vitriol and hate and division. Its not what our country is about. It was like if it wasnt so serious it wouldve been funny. It was like the World Wrestling federation. Trump was like vince mcmahon. But the issue is safety, criminal justice form create safety. Its not the other way around. The more you lock people up, we we are clearly not safe because we lock more people up. I went into a house, Philadelphia Industrial Correction Center for graduation. One of the mothers in charge program was doing an event for some of them men who were incarcerated, getting used to coming back at anger management and things. It was a nice graduation, mortarboard cap and gowns and getting pictures taken with the this young man. He is like 27 or so. Is from south philly. We started to talk about the neighborhood. I said youre getting out soon. Did you have a skill . Did you have a job . What did you do . He looked at me and said i sold drugs and does 14. In other words, i have never done anything else. I think that is part and parcel of why people get locked up in the first place. You have no opportunity or hope for a job because youre not educated. The government has consistently defunded education in america at the pennsylvania. You go to the street and one that may be doing drugs and becoming drug addicted. And then you wind up doing things because of your addiction that puts you in jail. We have 7000 people incarcerated in our county system. 60 plus of them cannot make bail. Havent been before judge because have no job or Family Member who can pay their bail. So they set for 140 a day for 30, 60, 90 days before they see a judge. We will come back in a moment. Secretary, let me ask you, is the state of pennsylvania, are are you getting safer . Or is it becoming more dangerous . We are becoming safer. Certainly you cant argue that there is a blip up in crime but, frankly, anecdotes are what got us here. Four decades of bad criminal Justice Policy has gotten us a bloated system with no return on investment. You can make the argument on the right, is it a good investment to invest 2. 4 million in the state department of corrections when we no lowlevel individuals come out more likely to commit a crime . That makes no sense. Frankly, the only path forward is data. What the data tells us, its states with the biggest reduction in the prison population also experienced the biggest reduction in crime. We really have this politics of fear, it really dont have a place to we want to continue to move forward. Any thought on why you are seeing that blip . Weve certainly seen a couple of decades of Crime Reduction to even the blip is below. Lets not panic at one number. It is very easy to pull a statistic out, put no context behind and inside the sky is falling. Put in context the in context yes, it is increase but it is still low, still at historic lows. Murdersdelphia had more in 2015 to 2014 the way to love but still wave lower levels than 2012. Its also when it comes to counting murders and homicide seems to be the number i think one. Shootings are as important as homicide. If you have a deranged person family or aeir couple people and families in their house, how do you police that . What Law Enforcement strategies can you put about to stop that from happening . They still go on the homicide count. The shootings are up. I dont understand the disconnect between people who are unfettered when it comes to the availability of guns and on other argued about crime being high or shootings being high. [applause] we find ourselves at a loss because the feds will not do anything, the state, its pennsylvania gun heaven. We are stuck. We deal with the carnage of gun violence in philadelphia when Somerset County its a matter of culture and family and sport and shooting and i understand that. Lets talk at the state and i want to start with the city. I believe the first overcrowding on just go back to 1971. You built the new jail facilities in the 1980s and 1990s to deal with it. You have a period when you went to crack down on people who dont appear in court. More losses. Now another major reform effort under way. Tell me first what have you learned from this four decades of efforts before . What are the main lessons . It was a mistake. We kept on compounded mistake by building more prisons. We spend 40,000 a year or so to incarcerate a person in our county prison system. It is up to 9,000 to provide prek for every child in the city. If you provide prek for every child in the city, youre saving 40 on the other in. Other end. I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s, and it was like law and order, vietnam era, civil rights era, lock them up, blah, blah, blah. We are still digging out from that. [laughter] when i first got nominated a lady said next frank rizzo. No. We need to look holistic. The secretary has been at the forefront on the state level. These are human beings who have gone astray. If you kill somebody youre going to be with them for the rest of your life. Our guys are in there for 23 months, anything under two years. We have to do something more than just house them. They need to come out of the prison with a cdl license, the ability to weld or a High School Education to maybe Community College education and we need to do that in the facility or get them out of the facility. Earlier in 1999, the average , an inmate count increase by 45 in philadelphia. It peaked in 2008. It is down when the institute looked at the biggest counties in the u. S. , the average incarceration in philadelphia is higher than any other. Basically it tripled the average level for the 40 largest counties in america. Why is it so high in philadelphia . Because the poverty rate is so high. Its like, if you fix the education and poverty situation your jail population of go down. The aspirational goal is to not need to jail at all at the county level. People in harrisburg dont want to Fund Education but will build a jail in the second. Eric counties in pennsylvania that their entire industry is based on incarceration. Theres something wrong. A very specific type is the average month of stay is 23 days. In philadelphia its about 90 days. Why so high . Cash bail. Your cash bail really. If the judge thinks youre a viable risk to let go and the bill number and you cant make a , bill number. Ive got to pay the bail. I would rather do that than keep them locked up for 90 days. Lets talk about of the state level you have another effort under way. A working group which is supposed to produce recommendations for the 2017 legislative session. What have you learned about the statewide policies . Give us a sense of where this effort is going. The governor kicked this often a smart way by saying the goal is less crime than less victims. Lets not glaze over. We want safer communities. But the reinvestment is focusing on population drivers. And how as a criminal Justice System we can make better decisions. We know that incarceration is best used with precision we need to make good decisions on the front and. In pennsylvania we dont have a statewide policy and how we set bail. When the initial decision is bad, garbage in, garbage out. I know justice is supposed to be blind but it cant be blind to outcome. Justice has been blind to outcome. This focus is gathering data and look at how we can make decision s on funding. An interesting piece came out at the last meeting that looked at the number of pennsylvanians under criminal justice control. That includes county children county probation and parole, state prison and state parole. Pennsylvania is third in the country. A driver is the fact pennsylvania and has extraordinary long probation to even if someone is sinister sentenced to a local jail. And part of what drives this is pennsylvanias state law allows for twice the length of stay the most states. Postdates local incarceration is cap at a year. In pennsylvania it is capped at 23 months. One of the most striking numbers in the early effort, since 20042014 incarceration rate in pennsylvania up 20 . New york and new jersey down 20 over the same period. What is your best analysis of why such a divergent . In 2009 there was a parole moratorium ofand the shutdown of the parole system for long periods that cost about 2500 inmate increase. What weve seen 24 years before i got this job our population was growing by 1500 inmates a year. The good news is since 2012 weve seen about 1 a year reduction. We have changed it around. We are doubling down undercover wealth by focus on the root cause. The mayor mentioned education. Education is the root cause. 50 of but who comes in to the state prison doesnt have a high school diploma. How many people coming to prison have an addiction problem . 70 . 27 Mental Health issues. Those are not discrete populations. But again poor education, not having inadequate Behavior Health safety net that includes both addiction and Mental Health. One of the keystones of the governors approach, focusing on this opioid epidemic. The cool part is and ive been in these roundtables all over the state and for the first time i am hearing people say we cant arrest our way out of it. That these our brothers and sisters. That goes for the 50,000 people locked up that may not be from our area. We need to make better decisions and thats what that says. That speaks to humanity of people who are incarcerated. It speaks to an understanding that we shouldnt judge people by their worst day. We need to make good decisions and that is consistent with putting people on the path to not commit another crime. I saw something into grant proposal, 13 of your jail population has mental issues. We are locking these guys up for selling drugs on the street corner. The largest drug dealers in the world are pharmaceutical companies. [applause] you have these pharmaceutical Companies Giving these pill docs free stuff to give out as free samples. People to get addicted wouldve been given and what is done in they move on to the heroine. We have 300 people are so up in kensington living along Railroad Tracks come mostly heroin addict. Not just adults but kids. We have a huge problem when it comes to addiction. We talk about alcohol and decriminalizing marijuana. Big deal. We decriminalizing marijuana, if 83 of those incarcerated are people of color. I said all the time during the debate on decriminalizing marijuana, if you want to arrest a lot of people come and go to an eagles tailgate on sunday and you can rest all the New Jerseyans and suburbanites audie but theyre all white. Im not judging them because they can do whatever they want. You cant do a traffic stop on a 20 yearold black kid who happens have a joint in his pocket. And then he gets locked up. It makes no sense. Let me throw another statistic looking at this. A chart from the present policy set in 1983, all the people and all the jails around america half of them was divided equally , between people convicted already of people who are awaiting trial. Now its up to 70 of the people in local jails are people who have not been convicted and are awaiting trial. Since 2000, 99 of the total increase has been among those who are awaiting trial. How does it compare to what you seeing in philadelphia . Number, dont hold me to it but 60 . I think it has to do and what we are doing with the macarthur grant is dealing with the court system. Its very opened up in this discussion with us. The District Attorney and have how they charge, and the Prison Administration on how we deal with this. Its up to a judge all the time as to what level of bail and what level of the probation and other things that the institute. Talking to the judge and getting them on board is an important part. You are developing an algorithm that is designed to be used in deciding what level of risk someone presents. How do you go about doing that . I assume you are not. Look like an out with them expert, that is me. Rithm expert, that is me. Satellite we are working with experts and people advising is based on the ability to get this grant and to move forward. Is have something that needs to be public with the actual algorithm is so people can understand what youre determined to be . The factors will be public. Theres been a bit of discussion around whether using Risk Assessment is biased. But my First Response is compare it to her current system. If its less biased were making progress. So lets put in context. The reality is when you go to a Doctors Office didnt have somebody and in many cases someone who is not a medical expert guessing on which are treatment should be. They put you through a series of tests and thats just what wrong with you and suggest a path to make you healthier. Risk assessment is simply looking at factors that predict criminality with a focus on allowing us to put you on the path to be less likely to commit a crime. You mention the question of bail. It says in your Grant Application you said you will establish a robust of range of alternatives to cash bail based on risk level. You can put a price on somebodys ankle. Theyre pretty effective in determining whether someone is in her house, going to drug rehab or counseling. Or just abscond and going out and doing what theyre doing. Thats much cheaper than having someone incarcerated. What do you think, theres an ambitious goal, reducing the number of people in your jails by a third over the next several years. What is going to be the biggest obstacle . Having all the stakeholders on the same page. Its convincing a judge following what were going to hope to recommend is not going to get the judge criticized for letting somebody go. Thats part of it is the politics side of it. Our judges are good people and they are conscientious and they do a good job. Its distinctive on the page where the understand that this change will affect everything in a positive way. Same question at the state level. The same aim is to reduce the burden the level of incarceration, whats the hardest part of making that happen . Common sense. By common sense we equate locking people up with being safe. But the reality is we need to make better decisions at the front and. When we do that we get better outcomes. Its just that simple. What theyre going to do in philadelphia i dont think its a high bar. Make good decisions. Bail is the key to both the state and local system. If we dont make good decisions on the front end, you say its about Public Safety. It am a rich guy that assault somebody and you are a guy still assist six pack, thats not about Public Safety. Thats about money. Our system is predicated on money. [applause] do you need crime to be going to in order to maintain Political Support . We kept locking more and more people up and crime kept going up. Lets base it on outcomes. If we measure our current decision on outcomes we are failing on the outcomes. If you base it solely on Public Opinion he will never get there. Because everybody is afraid. They are afraid what they imagine is there. All this imaginary thing that folks like myself were raised on and grew up in was lock them up. Lock them all up and throw away the key. Its not sustainable and it doesnt make any sense and its not humane and it is not cost effective. I would say we should be measuring every single Public Policy by outcome. When they work we should keep doing that. And they dont work we should stop doing that. That is the groundbreaking in criminal justice. [laughter] hoping for different result as Albert Einstein and bill clinton like to say. There is one outcome you focus on a lot is recidivism. He wrote an article and you said refraining from referring to those of commit a crime as offenders i do excuse their , behavior a minimized the impact of those they have offended nor do i disrespect victims by respecting those who were victimized. I acknowledge the humanity of incarcerated individuals despite their behavior and acknowledged their capacity to change. How much of the current problem is philadelphia and the state in the country coming from the ingrained idea that prisoners are in some ways not be dimmable redeemable . Anytime it to them we can do whatever we want to them. I just think what about this groundbreaking thing about humanizing them or calling them names on the way out the door, people so what we spoke to call them . You call them by their name. I think everything we do in the criminal justice if we should do with a focus on getting an outcome. If labeling someone is going i remember also that to the selffulfilling prophecy, tell teachers what you believe about the kid has as big an impact on how they will perform in the school. The same thing. Its important we understand the humanity of individuals who come through our system. This heroin epidemic has a lot of people saying people who are addicted doesnt necessarily mean that they are a bad person. In spite of the fact they may be committing crimes. I said the same thing about people who are incarcerated. The hardest thing that i to have to do is find people work who have been incarcerated. I have a stack of resumes on my desk every day, and at least 100 one time during the course of the day i wake a phone call to two or three or four employers say to me a favor, just meet the guy, take a chance, give them a shot. Its so frustrating to have had a criminal past or and incarcerated past 10, 20 years ago and still be held against you. Does not go on forever . Does that go on forever . [applause] none of us are perfect. As part of the effort are you looking at that . What is the trajectory of people after they complete . At the state level is focusing on, weve been meeting with employers and employees are a key part. You are talking to a third of america with a criminal record. At some point if youre going to have to hire someone you will have to hire someone with a criminal record. Were going to release 20,000 people this year. Im not telling on a reference for 20,000 people. We just need to take individual chances on people coming out. From our standpoint we tried to focus on developing marketable job skills at jobs you can get with a criminal record. We tried to take a reality base. Talk about some of the programs. Vocational programs. Fiber optics. Weve been working with the gas industry when it was booming a couple years ago working on pipefitting. Housing, food service jobs. Beyond that we have four , pennsylvania versus including villanova, lehigh participating there are things you can do and levers you can push. How is the National Debate affecting your ability to move forward . If we do have a debate this fall where there is a push back from how doeslican nominee, that affect it . Philadelphia is an island. I am going to do whatever we can do to be fair to people. If the rest of the state was to be crazy, go right ahead. Andre going to take care treat people with dignity. Thats under my control. Thats all i can do you there isnt effort on crime. There are a lot of republicans trying to improve the criminal Justice System. You,ve been dying to ask theres donald trump remind you . Of mr. Mcmahon. He was an avid wrestling fan. The Wells Fargo Center and go to these things on saturday night and watched on television. It is a recreation of that fan base and characters. Would you join me in thanking them . I will turn it to you. [applause] you, mayor. We will see you again in a few minutes. First, some perspective. Welcomeprivilege to julia stash. Researchor representative. Were here to talk about the bipartisan nature of criminal Justice Reform. I see that time is running fast. We will do this in as need dating format. I am prepared to like you. Progressivebout how criminal Justice Reform. Let me establish why i am sitting here. The Macarthur Foundation is a private foundation. We have the luxury of working on anything we want to do. We work on many things. Criminal Justice Reform is a number one priority. Let me ask you a question. Progressives talk about criminal Justice Reform, they talk about it in terms of humanityand equity and and respect and tackling hierarchy of human value. That is fine in our institutions. There is a protection that conservatives come from a financial perspective. You talk about it in terms of fairness and justice and eight . That we just come at it from a physical perspective is wrong. Thats kind of a monster bull. The economy collapsed in 2008 with some of the most prominent reforms happening before 2008. A couple years before hand, some reforms were passed in South Carolina and kentucky. That doesnt get any people interested. A lot of different conservatives often think in different ways it have nothing to do with this. Social conservatives talk about redemption and Second Chances. If we are profamily, what do we do about these neighborhoods where fathers are in prison. Thats a Big Conversation point. When you talk to libertarians, they talk about the orwellian americans inany cages like animals, and government overreach. They find that terrifying. This,ary wetzel hinted at even the law order crowd will talk about the fact that there is a high recidivism rate. Some of these lowlevel offenders come out worse than they started. Getting the best results we can in terms of Public Safety. I think there is convergence. Ofs is around a large core values. It seems like sometimes progressives come at the issue with a focus on over incarceration. I heard you come at it not only from the perspective of humanity but from the notion that there is a degree of over criminalization. In the middle of that there is goodwill on both conservative and progressive perspectives that say the system actually needs to be fixed. It seems to me that right now there is a need for that fix. There is a need for that political will across the country, both from the front and of the system all the way to the recidivism challenge coming out of prison. Remedies that are congruent across a per spec. They could be all the way from ,reater support for indigents smaller amount of time where they are in jail or prison. One of the issues i thought we should talk a little bit about is what is emerging right now. Its this dynamic of procomp and anticop. What does that mean in your circle . I dont like the framing. It just seems wrong. If you go back to the root of what policing has been intended to be, there is a new movement now for community policing. That is an old movement in reborn. When policing was founded in london, the i ef was community policing. The police are the community and the community are the police. Hat framing is misguided to the extent that there is any kind of narrative, you are going to lose conservatives and independents. I think they lose most liberals also. I think its dangerous. Dynamic that people of like minds have to push against and pivot away from. That i going to say cannot imagine people who live in a community actually want to go away. They want the police to do their job. They want them to do the job is based on respect, they want to be did, they want police to tose the cases, they want engage in Human Interaction that increases the legitimacy of the police and the community. The idea that better policing is enough is not enough. It seems the police are at the front end of the local criminal Justice System. There are racial and ethnic disparities across every point of contact in that system. I would like to go back to your point about cost. The cost is both fiscal and human. It is seen as not legitimate. We have a challenge that our democracy may not be able to handle. I talk a lot about over incarceration and you talk about over criminalization. The reason i talk about it is because that chain you are talking about. There is a timeline here. There are things made illegal that dont need to be. We start creating criminal justice problems. A lot of people are going to remember the name of eric garner. He was put in a choke hold by a new Police Officer and he died. There are many questions surrounding that. One question that is asked on the right is why was this man interrogated by Police Officers for selling individual cigarettes on the street corner. Policethat a crime . Officers have very important things to do. That seemed counter project. All in dozens lead to more interactions between Police Officers and americans, oftentimes lack americans. Which itsense of appropriate to focus on over incarceration. Its appropriate to look at over criminalization. That things to my mind say that the notion that communities dont want to be over policed, but they dont want to be under policed. They want to find that allens that says the police are doing and appropriate job. They are supporting the relationship between the individual and the government. I think our entire democratic experiment is it risk. I agree. Getting down to the two minute point, we have to decide whether we like each other. We have two minutes to decide. You think there is anything that could derail the agreement . What are the risks or consensus . I think the challenge for consensus is a sense that perhaps we are at an Inflection Point and the conditions that are propelling it made perceptions about whats happening across america, there is nothing we can do. I think there are things that we can do. One of the reasons we are here 91ay is because 100 jurisdiction said they wanted to work on fixing their local systems. That gives me the optimism that there is political will and human attention to this moment in time. I am optimistic. There is rhetoric to tells us this is a time in america that is so dark, we have to withdraw within ourselves. We have to turn ourselves outward or that. This is a time when we can work on her problems. I am optimistic. Closely on whats happening on capitol hill. Atoubt people are looking pierre, south dakota or tallahassee, florida. The things that are happening there have been really uplifting. South dakota passed a criminal Justice Reform bill. Money was allocated to Mental Health treatment. Things like this are happening in red state capitals across the country. They may not get the glamorous headlines. I think its a real movement. I am optimistic. Even today, the New York Times that a profile on the police chief in stock in, california. Policingerotolerance is not driving crime down. Its a police for that is legitimately engaged with the community, that overtime supports that legitimacy. That helps control crime. I am optimistic, and i like you. [applause] thank you. Im glad we came to a conclusion that you like each other and there is some consensus, which is great. To close out our conversation about challenges and strategies, were going to bring voices across the spectrum. I would like to welcome to the defender of the Defender Association of 70 adelphia, they represent of those arrested in the city. Former inmate, he is the founder of redeemed. They worked to curb employment discrimination against those who have been arrested or. Seth williams is a philadelphia area District Attorney. Under his leadership, there has been an expansion of divergent programs and options for nonviolent offenders in the city. Thank you all. I got a call back. When we think about this overall issue, whether its excessive, how much of the problem is defined by federal choices, state choices, municipal choices . I think that most of the problem and the opportunity is at the state and local level. The federal government lays a role as well. Of the in the buildup prison population. The federal government has played a small role in that. Address federal incarceration, you need to take on the immigration issue. State and local have always played the largest part in terms of incarceration. There are some important interventions from the federal there are are in opportunities and best practices. We are talking about criminal justice to provision. Has this been at the state level . Level. Ly at the state about the lavelle field for a few minutes and the mayor is questioning the number of people in the jail system. To first lawsuit goes back 1971. There are shifts in policy and here we are at the highest level of incarceration rate of any of the 40 largest counties in america. How did philadelphia get here . How difficult will it need to climb down from this ledge. I want to thank the atlantic and the Macarthur Foundation for posting this. People see on the news every night shooting and they get scared and they want something done. Here . Generations of prosecutors before me, i think there is a paradigm shift. Before, whatever question was asked the prosecutor, the answer was always more jails. Longer prison sentences. Weve seen that hasnt worked. My predecessor had more people on death row. We still led the nation with homicides. The struggle to see what really works, its not the severity of the punishment to change his behavior. Its the certainty of punishment. We need to do all we can to reduce recidivism. Preventant to help me crime, invest in Early Childhood education. If you want to help me, get loved ones and coworkers into rehab. Help people with Mental Health problems get the help they need. A rod governmental policy. The levers under your control . How can you move that . A prosecutor is unique. We are involved with every part of the terminal Justice System. What are those charges . What are the sentences . In Diversionary Programs. If you get your rehab or will health assessments, youre going to expunge your record. We are doing that with many felonies now. The prosecutor can work with other people in the spectrum of the system. We can prevent people from getting arrested and the sentence we asked for in creating Diversionary Programs. It takes political courage. If i put somebody in a Diversionary Program and they commit another crime, the public will be very mad. The data shows us giving people a Second Chance addressing , a felonykills conviction is like an economic death sentence. Prison with 10 years, they dont have a high school diploma. They have a phd and thuggery. They can never get another job. We need to be sure that the results on the backend will reduce recidivism. You, philadelphia has the highest rate of any of the largest counties in america. How did it get so high in your mind . I want to thank you for inviting me to this discussion. I really want to thank you for doing that but i really think is we have a focus on law and order. Funding became available for more practices the lab for andcing and more policing the overuse of the criminal Justice System to solve all of our social problems. One of the things were going to need is a psychological form. We need to change the narrative of what it Public Safety is. Throughd be tackled identifications. Getting were not getting different results. Locking up people with social issues is not a deterrent. What can we do differently . Say we love to see us dont need to pad Law Enforcement. We need to invest that money in school therapists or school officers. Maybe we need to invest that money in therapeutic needs. This can address some of the underlying issues that are making people have this cyclical experience. One specific thing about philadelphia is the amount of time people spend in jail. The average stay nationally is 23 days. It in philadelphia its 90 days. Why is that disparity so great . We are talking about nasa incarceration and people who have an overworked public event defender. Sittinges, people are waiting for outcomes than an overworked defenses cant produce. While the Public Defenders Office in philadelphia has because weposition are disposing of our cases a lot thisquickly, people go by methodical system that we are not looking at why are we taking a person through 14 different hearings to get to a certain result . These take out some of policies that dont make any sense . We could have a person rescheduled as much as 14 times. Thats a lot. Why do we need that . We need to find out where we are wasting time. Said aDistrict Attorney felony conviction is an economic death sentence. Is that experience . What does it take to get a computation . Thats the experience of the 315,000 philadelphians who have been in conflict with the criminal Justice System. When you look at People Living in deep poverty and you look at their entered interactions, 95 of those people have been in conflict with the criminal Justice System. Personally, i have been home for over 16 years. As recently as two years ago i applied for a position and got hired and was terminated based on that 1994 conviction. I am educated. Affectle to positively the bottom line. Been inpeople who have conflict with the criminal Justice System are not as educated. Individuals like myself has difficult time. It is an economic death sentence for many of the philadelphians. The answer is probably going to be both. What is the bigger problem . The equipping . Or making employers take a chance on hiring somebody . The bigger problem is changing the culture and the mindset. An individual who has been in conflict with the criminal Justice System is not like every person who is watching this event did 70 million americans have arrested or convicted. Thats nearly one third of our population. Some of the brightest minds have been through prison doors in america. The second would be the correct answer. A commercial for my friend. 13 shops in philadelphia. They are the number one employer of people with felony convictions. They have become great employees. Some of them are tremendous salespeople. Their skills need to be direct it in the right way. They become tremendous champions of its stores. He employs people in that zip code. Thats a tremendous model. When they have lives in baltimore as a result of freddie grays death, they protected his shop. They know he is protecting the community. We need to promote that. We also need higherlevel Employment Opportunities available people with high functioning skills. Is somehe things we see of the Jobs Available for people with records are lowend jobs. Thats not to discredit them. People cannot reach mills clap. Middleclass citizenship it gets frustrating. It becomes a situation as to whether or not they have the education to fill a job at boeing or in the health care industry. He cant get that because of his label. There is a problem there. We are thinking about the Different Levels that are available to reduce the person of incarceration on society. How important would need to get a handle on opportunity . Extremely it would be valuable. Want to relate a couple of fax from the research. People site that recidivism is high. Most people who enter the system dont recidivate. Some of them recidivate a lot over and over again. Two thirds of those who dont. What we need to do is think about a strategy. Once people have been out and showing themselves to not recidivate, their chance of committing another crime is very small and indistinguishable from the rest of the population. In massachusetts, it was eight years after a felony. District attorneys can see that information. Prerelease the information in a way that is relevant to those who are utilizing it. That would help change the culture. About are over concerned some peoples chances. I think we can separate. Is the key meeting with employers one by one . Other Public Policies that could tilt this conversation in a way that is more of . Policy ends up driving cultural efforts. Thats why our organization wants to end this discrimination practice. Ken address it. We have to have legislation in place that protects people who have been in conflict with the criminal Justice System. The political will will change when people who have been a virtually affected the system are voting based on values. We will put forward our platform. We have to support those individuals. We have to hold them accountable to change policy. That will change political will. Legislate what is in mens hearts. If you change behavior, their hearts will follow. Plagiarism is bad in turn was in. I want to find the best practice anywhere. I did not attend princeton university. Is, our goal is to stop people from selling drug on street. There are ways to figure out how to do that other than locking people up for long times. The consequences happened to them after that. I talked to the former District Attorney in california. We are spending 40,000 years in state prisons for committing felonies. We had a recidivism rate about 63 . It was a terrible failure. Called a program here the choice is yours. We take those young men and women who could go to state prison for two years or more. They enter a no contest plea. If we give them life skills , literacy training, job skills training, if they complete the program in one year, they expunge their record. It only costs us about 4000 to do that. The recidivism rate is only 8 . Lets use Empirical Data and lets make it work. One of the things i would like for us to do is look at data more closely. Im talking about from the very beginning. We understand what their needs are. Provide this outside the criminal justice context. We have child welfare. Oft is the first glimpse what a kids trajectory is going to be. We see kids who are abused and neglect that all the time. We never include that in the conversation. Hopefully we can stop the cycle. I dont see that there is much correlation that goes on between stakeholders who take that population and identify them as kids with disabilities. Can you stop that cycle without dealing with the concentration of poverty we see now . You can have a lot of intervention in school. When youre dealing with that level of concentrated isolation, are you always going to be disappointed in the results . I think we would all agree. 34 of our city lives at the poverty line or below. We have the greatest percentage of our citizens living at or below the poverty level. We have the greatest living in the poverty. Jobl we address opportunities, educational opportunities, making the Public School system a place that Everyone Wants to send their children, we will continue to see the same problems. Where we are spending the money is where we get the results. The moneyabout allocated to criminal justice. We are talking about a prison system. The city of philadelphia passed a budget with almost 300 million for county prisons, which house poor and drug addicted individuals. How much money are we spending on social service programs. How much money are we spending on these poor communities we know will eventually end up in our prison system . We are getting a proper return on our investment. There is a need for order and safety. We have to hold people accountable. We have to provide these services on the front end. We are still spending that money. Los angeles county is the number four providing Mental Health in their criminal Justice System. Them act outt let and hurt someone and get arrested and go to prison. There has been this debate and we might hear a little bit role this week about the of the crime bill of 1994. One thing that is in controversy is the revival we are seeing in cities showing economic dynamism , that might not have been possible without the reduction of crime. You weigh the importance of reducing crime as part of the Overall Economic vitality . The reduction in crime that , that has beend tremendously important. Economic development and the revival of cities for everyones sense of wellbeing. Now is the time to capitalize on that. There are things we could talk about. We dont need the same kind of apparatus. Lets go to the audience. We have questions . We dont have questions. Weve got one in the back. There we go. Good eye. A defender. About a question detainers. The technical where we are walking locking people up instead of giving them drug or alcohol assistance. It would seem in my mind it would be under the constitutional right of innocent until proven guilty. What i would say is there needs to be a Culture Shift in we put people on probation. It doesnt mean they are going to come out as wall street executives. What we often dont do is have a tolerance for progress. We are talking about the backend of a sentence. About the legislation that has been put in place that continues to punish people after they serve their sentence. Acts are 900 legislative that affect people with criminal justice records. That is a lot of legislation pushed on people who dont see the impact. Is the some of that outcome we want. Progress,t recognize we are going to get the same result and make people more desperate. Part of the answer i would give is helps us reduce the prison population. We are in violation and being sent back. Through dayss that reporting centers. I would like to create in philadelphia pale before trial. The case itself was so severe. There are a lot of people that instead of locking them up and having three ships of guards canhing them all day, we have them go to a place not far from their home or their neighborhood that they wont lose their job or their apartment or their house. There, theyrth could get some literacy chaining training. Be a waitress to reduce the prison population, get people the service they need and keep it moving. And. [applause] for the people had their Convention Last week, it saves money. Can i ask a final question . The city has said they are reducing the jail population by one third. What will be the biggest obstacle to meeting that goal . For everyone to take an honest look at their practices and decide we have to change them. Day reporting systems dont have to happen on the backend. They should happen on the front in. If you reduce the population, there has to be something for them to do. Were never going to succeed in how well this will work. Its getting elected officials to reallocate or disinvest from criminal justice. 2. 4 billion for eight prisons is too much money. Toe of that needs to go other things that will actually create opportunity for people who have been in conflict with the criminal Justice System. I think we are going to be successful. It will take the political will to be successful and use the Empirical Data. They need to not have an adversarial relationship, they need to be problem solvers. This is why they gave us the grant, so we could be a beacon of hope to other jurisdictions so they can learn from us. Are you going to be readjusting as you go . Every day. We meet monthly. We talk about whats working and not in. There will be bumps along the way. Do we know how other municipalities have successfully reduced jail populations . Think all the Different Actors are working at the same time. The Police Respond to the prosecutors. It at theneeds to do same time. I think its easy to fall back into old patterns. This panel has been terrific. [applause] i hope you will visit the atlantic website. Its cutting edge reporting on these issues. Our next event will focus on young women and voters and how Political Parties can better understand them. Thank you and enjoy your afternoon. 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You will see how tall the mayor is. Paul definitely tall. Next we have california governor jerry brown. He was once my governor in california. Are at three people who the top of everybodys marquee for this weekend. I would like to thank bank of america for making these conversations available. We have great conversations. Bank of america has been our partner in the series for so many years, including on the road. It we are so thankful that they are here again for this historic cycle. From jim. E some words thanks for being on our stage. Good morning it, everybody. Its a pleasure to be here on behalf of my colleagues at bank of america and our 10,000 teammates in the philadelphia region. We are pleased to be part of the civic leadership and the Host Committee in philadelphia. We are producing the 2016 Democratic National convention. We are pleased to partner with politico as we have for many years. We are engaging in some insightful and elevating dialogue about the important issues that are contained in the election dialogue. I want to say how much we have enjoyed working with mike allen over the years. He is one of the leading voices in the political dialogue. They have shoes to fill going forward. Its a delight working with mike years. I will pass it back over. Thanks again for being here this morning. Thank you very much. Were honored to welcome mayor bill de blasio. [applause] youre going to be drawing stark contrast between Hillary Clinton and donald trump. Give us a sneak peek. Thinkt see ive ive seen a greater contrast. Donald trump is part of the problem in this country. Billionaires game the system. He is part of the billionaire class that Bernie Sanders spoke of. They undermine the economy for williams of people. He brags about it. I think bill clinton did an amazing job last night reminding us of things we saw with our own eyes. I remember that so vividly. That was not a day or week, that is months, and incredibly difficult struggle that Teddy Roosevelt wanted to do and harry truman it on a to do. She took it on so passionately and then received millions of dollars of attack ads against her. We never saw a first lady take on that kind of formal role, one of the most biggest audience issues we face. I think that will become clearer and clearer to the American People as they go through their long interview process with the candidates. Problemrepresents the and the woman represents the solution. I think its going to be a nobrainer to the American People. I wish i understood the headline. And theew york post agree. Ews can it does express the sound properly. I have to give it to them for that. Behink the headline should that trump is an imposter when it comes to addressing the issues of the American People. Hillary clinton has proven she is for working people. Donald trump is a leading stick to it constituent. He is from new york you mustve spent some time with donald trump. I dont think ive ever met him. I think there is a misnomer. See the buildings with his name on it. Because of the boastfulness that is typical of him, i have been involved in public life in new york city for many years. I have never had an occasion to deal with him. He is not relevant in new york city today. A lot of what he says is divisive and negative, you go back to the 80s, he was trying so that rhetoric and that has rejected. Have never met him thats a very generous comment when i get elected. I criticized him when he started talking about mexicans and women and muslims. Suddenly, he say i am the worst mayors in america. Im a disaster. His one of my favorite words. Im happy with it. The nationalk at polls, he has been able to coopt some of this into that. He is a billionaire who brags a lot. How has the Clinton Campaign and so slow to draw the contrast . There is a sequence in reality. We have come out of a incredibly productive primary season. I want to say this from the heart. I can remember very deeply campaigns going back to 1976. This is the most productive of all the primary seasons we have had. Real issues got right up by our party. The platform i think means more than it has met many other times. But hillary is presenting is the most progressive vision in generations. I think it got better because of earnings involvement. Bernies involvement. Debateu have that actual that says who are we and where is our nation, thats what we achieved. That happens before we can draw the fuller contrast with trump. When are people going to Pay Attention . At the very end. I think the campaign will draw that contrast. Like other elections where you have to find your true points and your validators, he has done that already. He said look at how i game the system. He was born rich and he got richer off the system. That defines the american crisis. Its not going to fly in the end. What can we try to do, we try to take our viewers behind the scenes and experience the convention. Floorday, youre on the for the rollcall. It was amazing. I hate to be corny. It is an affirmation of american democracy. Up with theing feeling about this country. Everyone has pride about where they come from. Spoke in theeakers dakota sioux language. Everyone was working their way toward this historic moment. To put observations. Woman who nominated hillary was an immigrant who had served in the armed forces and said i look forward to her being my commander in chief. I thought what bernie did in calling for acclamation was one of those big good moments that we look for in the public life and dont see as much of in recent years. Of thean affirmation force of america and the Party Getting it right. What a lot of people dont realize is you are not proud to be american just just proud to american, take us inside that room. When she like as a candidate and scenes . She is an amazing human being. I was interviewed by her. It wasnt a formal interview. I was asked to go to the white 1999. And meet with her in i had never met her except to say hello. Paper andout a pad of asks 50 questions about new york i was just sitting there, how do you know this . Then when i was selected as her campaign manager, we had a conversation people getting to know each other. She said ive never run to office before. Lets figure out how to do this. It was wonderful. She was very humble and very open. She knew what she didnt know. She was very open to learning. I think that some she doesnt get enough credit there is a grounded this about her. We have seen this this year. Candidate a stronger what is the change in her style this year . More toas done much make the case to people and asked for them to be. She was reticent to ask people seemed thatte in it cutting and some of her own personal culture and humidity are in shes gotten much better about saying this is all this, we need to get somewhere together. You are a frequent viewer. Joe has an expression uses. Moment where you might have endorsed Bernie Sanders . It was important to ask all the candidates to give us a full vision to address the crisis. Income inequality is an unsustainable reality. I cant put into full of historical terms. Track,ontinue on this american democracy will fail. I need to hear from her and everyone else what we are going to do about it read she impressed me so much with the way we dont that platform. I thought it was important to say this is such a serious moment. Can attempt to show vision and she did. I never got irritated from her. I insert her staff did. She had a long public life. Mike did you explain what was up . Mayor to block io i talked to her a lot in the lead up. I felt thelear what country needed and what we needed to hear from her. I do not think she was surprised that all. You are one of the leading aggressive figures. If i am a sanders delegate who