About it playing itself out around 2003 or 2000 or 2002 and it has not happened. I see articles all the time that says it will slow down because we have finally reached limits on how many circuit you can put on a silk and silicon. Old stuff. Look what is happening in nano and biotechnology. Lawpredictions that moores is going in is quantitatively balanced with those that say we are in for a whole new cycle of it. Intelligence and counterintelligence more specifically for our purposes of the evening really has to do with the constantly changing, volatile information environment. I talk about that within different aspects. First of all, the first one is privacy. The worst thing, and i told a group of former intelligence officers, the worst thing the Intelligence Community can do in light of the snowden event is to think that this whole controversy is about us. It is not just about intelligence. It is not just about nsa. It is about People Living in an information environment that we use all the time but we do not iterstand and occasionally comes up and scares the heck out of as. I think that is the period we are in. If i went out on the street and asked people what concerns you more, the snowden disclosures are what happened at target, i think a fair number of result people would say what happened at target. Something off in the ether. Target affects my credit. I think people have been very concerned i that. By that. Several years ago, we were interviewing candidates for the National Intelligence council for a National Intelligence officer position. One of the things we asked the candidate was named the top five experts in your field outside the Intelligence Community. One of the applicants from a major intelligence agencies that there are no experts in our field outside of the Intelligence Community. The good news is you did not get the job. Not get the job. We had arty spent several hundred thousand dollars consulting with those who. Have to do was seared serious issues of academics not want to get clearance. In part because of privacy issues. One of the things i am sure of is that we in the 21st century are not living in the same privacy environment that many of us grew up in and our parents grew up in and our grandparents grew up in. Look back here again. Popular culture. How many novels in the 19th century or movies had characters who were escaping from something or other . Criminal charges, their family, jobs, you name it. How did you get away from that . You simply went west. The chances of being apprehended were very slim. A couple of years ago and author and anged the country piece in wired magazine. Was going to go off the web and contribute 10,000 if anybody could find him. This was a skilled computer professional. Within weeks there were blogs all over the country of people coming together without any leadership to find this guy. He did a very good job. He really did a good job. About two weeks before the clock ran out someone approached him in the new Orleans Airport and said are you the guy from wired magazine. It is very hard to get off the web these days. Think about that in your own lives. Suppose you go home tonight and decide you want to get off the web. You want to lower your profile. What are you going to do . I can give you suggestions. Pay cash for everything. Dont own a smartphone. Turn it off when youre not using it. Do not own a gps. All kinds of fun stuff. If you have a computer, make sure it is an apple product. This is not a commercial. Them useny how many of apples at home. Are you trying to tell me something . Internet,use the never allow a service to share your information. Delete cookies. Change passwords regularly. Never write down the password. Let me ask this audience. How many of you have never written down a password . Wow. That is pretty good. That is really good. You clearly have a better memory than i do. I have so many of these things i can never, good for you. I expected no one to answer that. Wow. I assume youre telling the truth. It you are not, i hope you dont have to deal with a polygraph. I am really impressed with that. To have to deal with a different expectation of privacy. What that is, i do not know. Before dawn. O he used to be the Deputy Director of science technology. He did several paper some years ago in which he talked about the erosion of privacy. If you find those articles today on the internet, they are all labeled as cia official attacks privacy, calls for the end of privacy. Don kerr is a scientist. He was not recommending anything. He was simply observing. It is true. It is true. And we have eroded our privacy. I prepared these remarks before the president made his address and what he was going to do about the nsa issues. Maybe we can touch on that in the queue and eight. One of the things that struck me most was by the end of march q a. One of the things that struck me most was by the end of march of the government has to come up with a solution to store it. The phone companies do not want to store it. By the end of march, before taxes are due, we have to come up with a solution to this. As coming froms the thelma and louise decision making. There may not be an outcome at the end of this. There may be a cliff. The options for change in the next year or two include regulating things versus overseeing them. I am all for oversight. It seems to be the most flexible mechanism for control. I often describe what were going through in the internet as a wild west environment. A couple years ago i was telling toends that i really wanted see them get a major piece of slifer cyber legislation through. I am now far less confident of that. I am far more concerned that we will legislate something and then find out two or three or five years from now that we have legislated the wrong thing or that the thing that we aimed at never develop or that we are hamstringing ourselves. This is something that i do not know when we will get regular. I do not know that this could do much benefit. Greater flexers ability. I joined in the late 1970s when oversight was due. The only think i think was visiting with people wearing nsa r. I. P. Nds saying i was told so many times my god we will never be able to function like this. Then they would Say Something like be brits do not function like this. Every democracy now provide some oversight. I think congressional oversight is one of the great achievements in american intelligence history. Where would the Intelligence Community be today without mike rogers and senators feinstein and chambliss . Are on glad these folk the site in the Intelligence Community. I am going to pass on the remarks of private see in Civil Liberties for. I will take questions if you want. Im going to be very brief as well on security. I already hinted that we need to redefine the link between counterintelligence and security. Not necessarily a structural link. We need to know how were going to do this in the 21st century. Polygraph. I have background investigations. Ive had to provide people with the names of my neighbors. Anybody who has been through that knows how that goes. How many of you really knows your name know your neighbors . What is she really like . What is he really like . My wife did not tell the truth. I cap my clearance. Does this i kept my clearance. It does is make any sense . I do not think so. Spend my last few minutes on espionage. I want to talk about one possibility and then i will draw a short of recommending that as an option. I give the Army Prosecutors in the manning case highest marks for their attempt to prosecute manning under the 1917 espionage act. Frankly, if they cannot get it done in terms of aiding a foreign power, i think the answer has to be the law cannot get it done. If you have to show that a person is giving away classified information directly to benefit a single foreign power, and that is pretty much what it does, where are we these days . Singlegive it to a foreign power. Give it to everybody. Much more effective. In the 1920s and 30s, the soviets recruited young british and american academics and students in the hopes they would rise to high government positions. I do not mean to attack the press in general. If i were a soviet or chinese agent, i would not recruit a government employee. I would recruit a journalist. Quite seriously. Or someone who claimed to be a journalist. What are the entrance levels to be declared a journalist in this environment . Event, i do want to take a look for one second at something i am sure you all looked at over the weekend. That is section 98 798 of the u. S. Title code 18. Im sure we read that all the time. Michelle then cleave has done a very good piece on this in the recent addition of the intelligence report. Whoever furnishes or otherwise make available to an unauthorized person or uses prejudicial to the safety of United States, any classified information related to codes or other material shall be fined or imprisoned for 10 years or both. Of any impending prosecutions on this . It has become something of a dead letter. People do this before. Lets think about whether we need this law at all. That should come up in testimony. Years ago i had lunch with water for slammer walter he was a legendary figure at the cia. He mentioned seeing some of his College Colleagues having an attack. They didnt think it was needed. They did not think they would get it through the congress. It did not fit with our values. Itontinue to believe will be difficult to craft legislation. What if you put in things like disclosure to disclose illegality or malfeasance or corruption would be a positive defense . Such an act . N have i cannot get myself there. A huge gap for us. How do we protect this information that we have collected, that has and by ,ongress, president , by a court but people just publishing it. I do not know how many of the stories that have appeared in newspapers and on networks are relating to nsa from the snowden piles has to do with nsa violations of Civil Liberties of americans. Count them up. Is it 2 . 5 . Isn i say the information being used to support troops in afghanistan, it does not shiny as a Civil Liberties violation. That strikes me as what intelligence agencies do when he have deployed forces. I think back to my younger days when i heard over and over during the watergate period the phrase that members of the Committee Said over and over, no man is above the law. I wonder if that is still true for us . Event, i think one of the things we should think about before we go down the dark road of an intelligence secrets act is how we as a society look at a lawful government, conducting some of its functions in secret and how those should be protected. Edmund burke once said that when you want to protect virtue it is better to do it through society than the state, because we all know the state can be a very clumsy and inefficient mechanism. I would hope that some weight we would come to an understanding as a society that the government has a responsibility to keep some information secret and to lawo under oversight oand and that we should not tolerate the somewhat casual disclosure of that information. Let me finish with one thought. From time to time, i hear it said, even by Senior Intelligence officers, that the relationship between the American Public and Intelligence Service is broken. I do not believe that. I believe it is seriously strained. I believe the Intelligence Services need to do a much better job of explaining what it is they do. This is an argument that can be one. I do not see the need for wholesale changes in the intelligence establishment. There are any number of adjustments to section 215 that the congress could make and that i would lose no sleep over. As a matter of fact, if i were back on active duty, and i think most of my colleagues would share this view, if these were the roles and these are the ways we have been functioning in Congress Changes those rules, we will adapt to the changed roles. Congress makes the rules. It is as simple as that. I do not see the need for wholesale change. Where does that leave us . Us in a country governed by an imperfect system. Representatives can change. One of the values of a Catholic Education is a strong sense of original sin, which virtually demand that the world is inherently imperfect and that sometimes the bad guys win. In this case, we live in an imperfect country. Edward snowden lives in prudence russia in putins russia. We can count on the dedication and professionalism of the men and women of our counterIntelligence Services and we can hope for a day where counterintelligence is accepted as a full peer of the other Intelligence Services. When i see a volume and i think enjoys in aige mf5 democratic system, i hope we can someday achieve that. There are obstacles. For many years, i asked my colleagues what if i encourage my best intern in a given year to pursue a career in counterintelligence . Very often i would get the answer why would you want to do that to their career . That is something that we very much have to overcome. My daughter is not here this evening. I want to say in her absence ive done better than put an intern in the field. She works in counterintelligence for cia. I am extremely proud of what she and her colleagues do. I think all of us should be proud of the men and women who work in that field. Tideany luck, that will turn. That truly would be an achievement that would honor brian kelly. Until then, i hope the men and women of the services understand how much we value what they do. Thank you. [applause] questions. [indiscernible] [laughter] nothing . Okay. Bring it up if you had not mentioned jfk. Oliver offered a counterweight to the [inaudible] this many years later there is a thatical public on issues were not disclosed in the early 60s. It was a Student Group that interact with oswald in new orleans. Today theyre apparently 1100 files infull full. There is a disconnect. Let me say. I could go beyond jfk. I think he was a horrible director. I do think if there are 1100 es still sitting classify, this goes back to my concern. When he have a public dispute of this sort and you are sitting on records that could help resolve that dispute, i think you do great harm to the public record. I do not know that they are doing that. That would certainly be my concern. [inaudible] you may know more about cia history than i do. I really cannot you view too much advice on how to get that done. I just have that strong view of my own. I know nsa just declassified a 10 of record from a relatively recent period. That theis so big idea putting eyeballs on every piece of paper is something they finally discarded. I give them some credit for going by credit category. It is not a perfect process. Every agency is its own master. Im a journalist for the bbc. I have a question with counterintelligence. There is this problem that people were looking into it were marginalized. You know better than i do. Not necessarily. It is a big business. Ames case. K to the you may know more than i do. Worked the ames case. You may know more than i do. Just how itring happened in terms of the culture. Ideas. Ve my own i want to emphasize they are my ideas. One of the things that strikes me about this is that he actually approached people and youre told to not give away your password. He actually approached people as the System Administrator and said im working on a problem, give me your password. I hoped ive to say would know better. On a busy day and a guy looks nerdyour village machine and he said i am your system we discouragean you from your passwords but i am different. I have a feeling there is a 50 50 chance i would give it to him. I would hope afterward i would go to my boss and say do you know anything about this computer failure . He does not look like a charming con man. Maybe he is a charming con man. I always think back to one of my favorite tv shows, law and order. There was a detective that used to do the same stick. He would go some places are supposed to get access to and the landlord or somebody would look at him and say are you authorized to do this. He would give the guys an altar boy looked break into someones apartment. I have a suspicion that snowden was very good at getting peoples confidence. Other questions. In the back. I am a graduate student. I want to say thank you for giving us the courtesy of your time. It was either that or the goal of big opening ceremony. That is a much of a choice. Is as much of a choice. Information technology has crossed the in formation and the ability of the United StatesIntelligence Community to surround the knowledge of the product and the knowledge of the process coupled with a culture up. T that you have brought it reminded me of the rise in the new weapons in the late fifth these and how it had a role in that Culture Shift. Those people are not gone. That is the reception general hayden had gotten when he had done the presentation was mixed to say the least. Leads me to this question. Given the impact of the technology and the Culture Shift on the ability to maintain theational security and role that academia has played in the Culture Shift as it pertains to the contextual nature of how increasing information is looked at, what role do you think academia could play in shift thing that contextual framework so that it is more fairminded toward the Intelligence Community . Ensure awe do to narrative supportive of the United States is more effective . Wow. [laughter] there are times when you would be testifying in the senate and i would tell people who would have to cover for me that it was a committee that now Vice President biden was on, this is not a partisan thing. He is just a very nice person to deal with. Him i would say while he is talking, look for the question someplace. There is a little bit of that here. Our as the culture of the academic world, the only thing you can help is the tide comes in and the tide goes out. Generations change. I am lucky to be teaching at the university of maryland maryland compared to a lot of other places. I gave an interview with a Student Newspaper once and they never published it. They thought i was warning. That is fine. A lot of our faculty have clearance ease. A lot of our students have parents in the military and work for intelligence agencies. This is not like the university of wisconsin someplace. I do hope you have reached the diversity with no Diversity School of diversity. Quite gotten really oppressive. Part in me says i listen to a lot of bs from my professors in college and graduate school. To some degree, i regurgitated the bs back on the paper. Then i left the person behind. Not all of this takes. It is hermetically onesided. I dont think anybody denies that. How you change that, yeah places like this. Yet individual students. We see it around the country. They basically say i am not going to the freshman orientation course. Theres something quite stalinist about some of these things. Policy, theylic all know what i did for a living. Anything but the most cordial relationships with my colleagues. I think it is because we are a school that deals with a process, not an academic doesnt plan. Academic business plan. I can tell when i walk in that the scene has been set for this really evil guy to show up. I feel a little awkward when i the professor walks out and the students crowd around the desk year it i am sure he thinks they are telling me im an evil person. They all want to know how to get jobs in the cia. I think i remember how to listen to your professor, nod, write the stuff on a paper and lifet a t a finger when you feel like it. I know that has done rate damage to institutions. You just hope the tide changes. I know that sounds very pessimistic but it is not. It is a long view of history. David. I wish i had more hope for you. [laughter] youre telling me you have no hope for me. How do you feel about that . I have apartial partial comment on a question. You mentioned the u. K. As being liking mi5. Ng and part of the reason for that is the long, hard, or they have had which presented disastrous bombing attacks and so forth. E a nation. 9 11 was something of disruptive and shatter that serenity and awaken does however. Sorry to say, i think whether youre talking about be tirades, that can shift probably when we tides,mered the that can shift probably when we get hammered. This is one of my great concerns. The concern at the moment in the doing outwhat is nsa there . It would not take much i think to have a complete reversal of the public view. , democracyat point sometimes had to speed, do nothing and overreact. Do nothingpeeds, and overreact. Ma we have the marathon bombing. That is about two weeks before the snowden articles. May we had to beat marathon bombing. That is about two weeks before the snowden articles. Is myvorite phrase beast favorite phrase is once again you guys are not connected the dots. One of my least favorite phrases is once again you guys did not connect the dots. This is tough. Part of it is longer histories. I really say this with sympathy. We are new at this. The Intelligence Services are new at this. The country is new at this. Call it, we call it Homeland Security. You cannot live in this city if you said lets make a department of domestic security. Oh my god. Take away all of our liberties. Europeans understand this a little bit differently. Maybe they had just been through more. Look. , the guy who i commanded the allied invasion sayss into europe, americans naturally a poor the spy abhor the spy. I do not think you saying that is a good ink. I think he is right. Is a good thing. I think he is right. What is the most intelligence effort between the end of the revolution start of the civil war . It is lewis and clark. Remember an the sixth grade or ninth grade hearing lewis and clark was an intelligence thing . No. Is a journey of expiration. For military purposes. It was a journey of exploration. For military purposes. If they had a nicer name, pinkerton would not be such a bad idea. We do have that. As unamerican, i do not want us to get over that. I do not want as as an american, i do not want us to get over that. To get overt us that. I was in turkey a couple of years ago . One of the i was in turkey a couple of years ago, one said professor nolte has read a lot of locke. We read hobbes. Hobbes andead both locke because madison did. We try to balance these things off. It in post 9 11 . Yes. I regret in 2011 we did not do a 10year tuneup of the patriot act and the irtpa. They desperately needed them. We just do not work that way. We muddle along. I think we will take two more. Thank you for the presentation. You started off with a couple of points. You are talking about americas cultural dynamic. Cinema, the spies, postwwi. Then in that, how it was being presented in this genre, the multimedia, which was the media for the u. S. At the time. Fast forward now to we are in everything, the whole gamut of internet, tweeting, everything. The Lieutenant General made a point about the rapidfire communication. He is a great guy. The rapidfire information that goes on 24 7. Intelligence community, through information to the public, ever try to keep up with the pr, the very things you are talking about . Public is virtually clueless. The information is being left in that can usemedia it which ever way they want to at any moment they want to. Or flipping it the other. Matter. Not really there does not seem to be anybody taking control for their own agency or agencies. One of the things ive talked about. I am retired. They do invite me back. One of the things i have said is , when the air force decides it is going to build a new fighter, the story is in the paper. The air force is looking for a fifth generation fighter that will go at this speed with these characteristics. In some ways you have to distinguish it from the step they want to replace. I come from a place that for most of its history believes the initials stood for never say anything. Youre going to have to be different with that. Youre going to have to be different. I am not sure, and i think if you back and look at speeches general alexander may, i am fairly certain you could have pieced together the main theme of what we have been hearing. A is sucking up metadata and doing so there is a belief that says metadata is not really covered by Fourth Amendment stuff. I think a lot of this stuff, if you find it before the snowden period, very small stories. I have a feeling one of the things the Intelligence Committee may have to do is a better job of saying this is what we do for you. Youre going to have to disclose the sources and methods. I am sorry. Youre going to have to do some tradeoffs of the benefits. The american intelligence can only operate within the space permitted by the American Public. Hes absolutely right. Has the space collapse because of the controversy . No. Theres controversy on it. It is going to be incumbent on active leaders. Look. I will go back to the washington post. They did a years ago series of topsecret america, a Fourth Branch of government that operate without supervision. It is like, really . Really . No. I think they should have been much moree aggressive. My concern was that if newspapers are saying there is a Fourth Branch of government operating without supervision, that is an attack on the house Intelligence Committee, the senate Intelligence Committee. Where were you guys . Nobody gets elected or defeated from the congress defending nsa. Maybe 2014 will change that. It is not a big issue. Is it even attracted to serve on one of the committees . Cans not something you oppose for the photo opportunity. That is one of the reasons im so absolutely klees with what done. En they have been really upfront leaders on this. Is a conservative republican from michigan. Diane feinstein is out defending nsa. That is pretty good stuff. Be, we there needs to have to restrike the balance between what we do in secret and what we open up. I know theyre going to say there goes your clearance. It is true. By global world. The nsa has a museum open to the public. Them will make it an author who has been kind of critical, theres a sense that you brought that diane . Yeah. You brought that guy in question mark yeah. Were open for discussion. There is a nasty story about you in the post or the times. How do you think the Treasury Department feels . There is no immunity from having a blue badge. Deal with it. Go on with your life. I know some cia colleagues who actually approached me with huge grins on their face. It is so great to see you guys getting slammed rather than us. I say, thank you for that. Look. We try to do secret stuff in the public eye. I do not think people acknowledge that. Until 10 or 15 years ago you cannot acknowledge in parliament or a newspaper who the head of mi6 was. I was on george tenet staff. He said there is a blog that has a photo of your house on it. My house was there. It is like that is interesting. Who brings us to my wife . We do this. This to my wife . We do this. I think this is our tough balance. Do you teach intelligence in a Public University . Easy. I know topsecret stuff. You all watch jeopardy last night. He won again. He has a textbook out on intelligence. Nsa. Was reviewed by there has to be more systematic and less episodic. You have to be out there with a Stronger Public message. Without were acting supervision. Youre treating a new body of law. There is this thing called the Foreign Surveillance court. Nothing nsa did was done without the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court approving it. A secretive court. It is not a secretive court. Secretive is about behavior. It is sacred by legislation that created it. It is a tough issue. I think you have to be out there a little more and engage in the fact that people want to be reassured. I believe this. The maryland state police, all three of those can intrude on your privacy. Which one operates under the title of supervision . Not even close. Not even close. Operates under tighter supervision than state in local government which are still doing the metadata thing all the time with no one seeming to challenge it. Google . Google, really . I do have to say to my students when you apply for a job with the clearance, you want to be careful about what goes on your social network pages. Some of my students, not these bright and talented people your, say up here, say you mean they can get onto my facebook pages . Really . If you apply for a job at sears they can look at your facebook pages. You know the little boxes of small text and at the bottom there is a box that they say check this and you accept it, the no. You gave it away. Bingo. You gave it away. This is not one we solve. This is one you manage. Am you had, god i am a student at the merrick and university. University. I work for the treasury. Challenges are not just security here. The feelings that the American Population has about ,sa and the Security Community there are mirrors internationally. Do we have to sell ourselves to the American Population first and around the globe so we can adjust transNational Security . There is the degree to how we must do this. I do think what you need to get to is the point where you have bilateral agreements. I think that is the only way you can do this. Germany in the United States agree on what information we are going to share. Weir governments can say have this under control. We do certain things with foreign Intelligence Services to protect against terrorism. We do it under limits. There has to be that understanding. I do not think we can ignore that this is coming as a shock to a lot of even our ally populations. What has been funny if the reaction in more than one country where there has been a leader standing up and saying i am shocked. There is spying going on here. About three weeks later, theres evidence of their government is doing the same thing. Letink this goes back to get comfortable with what wevacy we can expect, where can expect intrusions, how the intrusions can be overseen. I think that is a very long conversation. One more and then we will get out of here. I am a legislative staffer for the senate. I am interested if you would mind elaborating on what changes you think makes the patriot act that would be sufficiently necessary for the public to not hinder the ability . I really do not have any. Ive not looked at the act specifically enough. What i would say is this goes back to the methodology. Lets take a look at what the instruments are. We look at the post9 11 legislation. We wrote this. It was done very quickly. It is past the prevention act. Somebody was supposed to go through and find every section acthe National Security that Gave Authority to the director of central intelligence. You are supposed to find, i do not mean you, your colleagues were supposed to find every instance in which that occurred and put in language that said him [indiscernible] it is hereby transferred. At least for the powers of docket transfer. The powers did not get transferred. I have some sympathy for nancy pelosi for that. I would just say go take a look at it. Do we connect the dots too much . There was a lot of fear. Did some of that slip into the patriot act anyway we would like to go back off from that . I did not mention this because ive gone on too long. I am a big supporter of the Civil Liberties protection board. I wish them well. I wish they had not made that isment that what the nsa illegal. That is not what theyre asked to do. If they had said the patriot act may have gone too far in certain particulars, i would have thought that really opens up an important discussion. Back at theyou look Homeland Security act in the extensions, i think they need a post crisis scrap. They were really done in a crisis atmosphere. That is not the best guarantor of solid legislation. With that, thank you so much for being here. Thanks again. I want to single out my students. Proud of the School Public policy to have this program with the air force academy were some of the graduates come to us to get a masters degree. Is always nice to people who are embarking on a career in public service. Thank you both for being here tonight. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions Copyright National cable satellite corp. 2014] next, a look at possible immigration legislation in congress this year. Is immigration. We are asking it in part because of the comment this past week by john boehner he said he may be dialing back the immigration issue in part because of a mistrust between Congressional Republicans and the white house. [video clip] you know the past 15 months we talked about the need to get Immigration Reform done. This is an important issue in our country and kicked around forever and needs to be dealt with. Having said that, we outlined our principles last week to our members. Principles that our members by and large support. Put together by the Leadership Team and they believe it. But i never under estimated the difficulty in moving forward this year. And the reason i said that we need a step by step commonsense approach to this so we can build trust with the american people, that were doing this the right way. And frankly, one of the biggest obstacles we face is the one of trust. The american people, including many of my members, that the reform were talking about will be implemented as it was intended to be. The president seems to change the Health Care Law on a whim whenever he likes. Now hes running around the country telling everyone hes going to keep acting on his own. He was talking about his phone and his pen and hes feeding more distrust about whether hes committed to the rule of law. Listen, theres widespread doubt whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws and its going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes. Host the comments by Speaker Boehner generating news the last couple days and joining us live from miami is allen gomez who follows this issue for usa today. Thanks very much for being with us. Guest thanks for having me. Host as you look at this issue following the comments of Speaker Boehner, how likely is it that the house would act on immigration this year . Guest as he said, the prospects of Immigration Reform getting through congress this year were already very difficult. But i dont think anything he said on thursday declared the end of any chances. Republicans for months have been saying this is one of their main concerns. Republicans in the house. They worry about a repeat of 1996 the last time an immigration bill was passed by congress where they legalized about three million undocumented immigrants and promised Border Security but it didnt happen. Youve heard from the House Republicans the past year is this idea the first thing they need to be assured of is the border will be secured and that interior Immigration Enforcement was going to be enforced. So this is something thats not a new tact by House Republicans. Weve been hearing it for a while. Obviously theres a lot of concern that boehner is just now speaking about this and hes citing this as a reason for him to be concerned. They just had their retreat with the republicans so obviously thats something he heard quite a bit about. Just to give you an indication, the day after boehner made those remarks, the house g. O. P. Whip Kevin Mccarthy from california is saying we have to move forward on immigration. I think youre going to see them continue to work. I think what he was doing is highlighting what is and what has been their main concern. Host let me share what national review, a conservative publication, has been saying about the immigration issue, pointing out a key player is congressman bob goodlatte, republican of virginia, the chair of the house judiciary committee. The house has approved four bills that addressed Border Security, interior enforcement, guest worker visas and highskilled worker visas and pointing out that the media quote, doom and gloom surrounding Immigration Reform has been entirely overblown. Yeah, thats the interesting thing about where we are. Theres a soors of bills, you know, you heard boehner talk about going for a step by step approach towards immigration as opposed. Com mention bill as opposed to the comprehension bill the house passed last summer. They have five bills passed through the committee teed up ready to go to the house floor and whats missing, the elephant in the room here, what theyll do with the 12 million undocumented immigrants in the country. Were expecting a couple bills to be introduced in the next couple months. One that would deal with young, undocumented immigrants, those brought to the country when they were kids, known as dreamers, and then another one possibly to deal with the rest of the population. In the grand scheme of things, theyve already got five bills that sort of make up a lot of the components of Immigration Reform passed through committee, debated, and ready to go to the house floor, so really were just looking for all they need is a couple more bills to get this thing moving. Its not as daunting or overwhelming as a lot of folks think it is it. Host while i have you on the phone, alan gomez, i want to you ask about the tone of the immigration and said its time for us to act on this. He didnt scold House Republicans but said hell give them time to act and many call a piecemeal approach and many republicans said they would not go for. What were seeing out of the president is what we saw out of him a year ago when the senate was going through their process of considering an immigration bill. At the time it was very much hands off. I think he understands if hes out there kind of railing against republicans, if hes kind of trage to use his bully pulpit to get them to get moving, thats going to naturally cause a lot of them to sort of shudder and maybe hold off and that created a bit of space for them last year in the senate to get passed. They passed their bill in june and immediately you heard the president take a more aggressive approach with House Republicans saying ok, the Senate Passed their bill, lets get moving, lets go as time as worn on and hes seen the difficulties of trying to get it through that house chamber, hes up in the last few months, especially the state of the union, he only had one paragraph dedicated to immigration, and a very clear indication hes sort of giving them that space that they need to do their own thing, to work their own plan out. Host finally, alan gomez, for those republicans with an eye on 2016, where are they on this issue, senator rand paul, former governor jeb bush and Chris Christie and others who clearly want to expand the base in order to have a chance to win the white house in 2016 . Guest several of them have been calling on congress for a couple years really to get things moving, jeb bush in particular has been calling on the House Republicans all republicans, excuse me, to sort of, at the very least, soften their tone against undocumented immigrants, against hispanics in the country. Chris christie has sort of adopted a bit of a dream act in new jersey allowing young, undocumented immigrants to attend college and receive some Financial Aid up there. Marco rubio, senator from florida, is one of the sponsors of the Senate Immigration bill. But he but after the Senate Passed their bill, hes kind of backed off from the bill and hes not so enthusiastic about it. We see a bit of a mixed bag. I think some of them, as you mentioned, they look at what happened last election where mitt romney received 27 of the hispanic vote and what they see as so critical a reason to go ahead and move forward with Immigration Reform, not because they think its going to automatically win over all the hispanic vote in the country, but i think senator john mccain of arizona has spoken quite well about the idea that at least getting Immigration Reform done, at least allows them to start having a better conversation with hispanics so they can Start Talking about things like the economy and jobs and Health Care Without having that sort of cloud over their head that theyre doing so poorly with hispanics on the issue of immigration. So yeah, i think this is something a lot of them definitely have their eye on for 2016. Host your piece in fridays usa today you used the word hispanic a poor way to describe rich cultures. Can you explain . Guest were kind of looking at the idea in talking in general terms like this when were trying to, you know, hispanics absolutely do make up a huge chunk of this country now, a very growing population in this country. You know, the point were trying to make there is that its very difficult, i think, sometimes for americans to sort of distinguish between different has panics and i think people tend to lump hispanics into sort of one bag, if you will, and, you know, i cant tell you how many times ive been asked if im from mexico when im of cuban descent, not that im offended or anything like that, its just the idea that there should be a better understanding, i think, of where the difference between a mexican and argentine and brazilian and a venezuelan or cuban. And those sort of distinctions i think help because i think in this country, theres a lot of a lazy approach to it, calling everybody hispanic and throwing these preconceived notions on all these folks when they come from varied places and different cultures and different economies and face different struggles. Thats kind of a take of ours trying to call that out a little bit. Host alan gomez joining us live from miami, tonight on cspan, q a with former cspan london producer bernard tate. Followed by question time with david cameron. And then another look at the future of counterintelligence. On q a, bernard ine, former cspan producer london. He discusses his 25 years with the network and his career in journalism. The man on your screen is named bernard tate. Most of you in the audience have not seen him before on cspan, but he has worked at cspan for over 25 years, just retired as our london producer. When you look back at the last 25 yrs